Over 70% of Curry's 3-pointers are wide open: NBA.com's stats

[3ball]

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Curry attempted 11.3 three-point attempts per game this season.. 5.2 of them were "open" (4-6 feet of room), and 2.7 were "very open" (6+ feet):


........................................0-2 ft (very tight).... 2-4 ft (tight)..... 4-6 ft (open).... 6+ ft (very open)

STEPH CURRY'S.
3-PT ATTEMPTS PER GAME ............0.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season).................... 2.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..................5.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..................2.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season) <-- nba.com

PERCENTAGE OF
TOTAL 3-PT ATTEMPTS .................0.4%................ 26.1%.............45.9%.............24.3%



Don't be surprised that most of Curry's 3-pointers are wide open - today's drive-and-kick offenses require 3-4 players standing behind the line on every play (spacing), so the defense is stretched out and can't make timely rotations most of the time.. Curry's 3-pointers are actually less open than the rest of the league - over 80% (http://insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?p=12316018#post12316018) of the league's 3-pointers are "open" or "very open", compared to Curry's aforementioned 70%.

Ultimately, today's teams use offensive schemes that maximize 3-point looks, so players shoot 3-pointers easier than ever before - specifically, driving and kicking for 3-pointers wasn't common or the staple of ANY team's offense until about 10 years ago.. Guys like Reggie Miller and Larry Bird had to run off screens for more of their 3-point looks - they didn't get to stand there and wait for kickouts as often as today's player.

But the MAIN takeaway from this data is that 2-pointers are more CONTESTED, so eras that shot more 2-pointers produced better players - this is why Shaq was 10th in MVP voting in 1996, compared to Kyle Lowry in 2016 - can you say "watered down"??

[Marchesk]

Dem Draymond and Bogut screens

:biggums:

[CuterThanRubio]

How many times are you going to make the same thread?

Those stats are incorrect.

[3ball]

How many times are you going to make the same thread?

Those stats are incorrect.
Anyone can click on the link below and go down to the 5th data set titled "closest defender":

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sort=CLOSE_DEF_DIST_RANGE&dir=1


They will see that Curry attempted 11.3 three-point attempts per game this season..

5.2 of them were "open" (4-6 feet of room), and 2.7 were "very open" (6+ feet).. That's exactly 70.0% of Curry's 3-point attempts.

[CuterThanRubio]

Anyone can click on the link below and go down to the 5th data set titled "closest defender":

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sort=CLOSE_DEF_DIST_RANGE&dir=1


They will see that Curry attempted 11.3 three-point attempts per game this season..

5.2 of them were "open" (4-6 feet of room), and 2.7 were "very open" (6+ feet).. That's exactly 70.0% of Curry's 3-point attempts.

We have discussed this more than once.

You don't know how to read

[3ball]

We have discussed this more than once.

You don't know how to read
Actually, you're just trying to prevent others from clicking the nba.com link and seeing the truth.

But anyone can see the nba.com stats for themselves very easily.

It's PUBLIC INFORMATION dumbass

[GimmeThat]

I just wanted to say, those were open shots, but he also decided to take them.

[CuterThanRubio]

Actually, you're just saying the stats are wrong (even though you know they're right) because you don't want others to see the truth.

But it doesn't matter, because anyone can click the link and see the obvious truth for themselves.

It's PUBLIC INFORMATION dumbass


You are spreading misinformation

At least post the entire spreadsheet so people can check it out for themselves instead of cherry picking incorrect stats and waving them around.

People aren't clicking your links, they are just seeing random percentages with no context behind them aside from your agenda driven propaganda.


You truly believe that 250+ threes were WIDE open?

You don't watch games!

[3ball]

People aren't clicking your links, they are just seeing random percentages with no context behind them aside from your agenda driven propaganda.


What context needs to be provided?

Exactly 70% of Curry's 3-point attempts were taken with 4+ feet of room.. What context needs to be provided?





You truly believe that 250+ threes were WIDE open?


I know for a FACT that exactly 70% of Curry's 3-point attempts were taken with 4+ feet of room.. And so do you






At least post the entire spreadsheet so people can check it out for themselves instead of cherry picking incorrect stats and waving them around.


Which part of the following is incorrect:


Curry attempted 11.3 three-pointers per game this season..

5.2 of them were "open" (4-6 feet of room), and 2.7 were "very open" (6+ feet).. That's exactly 70.0% of Curry's 3-point attempts.

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sort=CLOSE_DEF_DIST_RANGE&dir=1

[Im Still Ballin]

2016 Curry
0.15 ISBDB™

1996 Jordan
0.20 ISBDB™

[CuterThanRubio]

It's time to sit and analyze the footage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvN-EYgYSZI

[3ball]

It's time to sit and analyze the footage


Looking at footage in inefficient, especially when we have NBA.com stats that show:



Curry attempted 11.3 three-pointers per game this season..

5.2 of them were "open" (4-6 feet of room), and 2.7 were "very open" (6+ feet).. So exactly 70.0% of Curry's 3-point attempts were taken with 4+ feet of room.

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sort=CLOSE_DEF_DIST_RANGE&dir=1

[Marchesk]

[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin]2016 Curry
0.15 ISBDB

[CuterThanRubio]

Please consider that these flawed and inaccurate statistics aren't factoring in screens or pump fake fly-by shots.

3ball is trying to make it seem like Curry was completely ignored, no, he creates looks because he's the best player, the majority of his shots that are actually wide open are due to fakes and footwork, unlike 80s and 90s threes that were carelessly GIVEN AWAY !

Fail thread, for the 4th time you've attempted it, let it go@!

[Smoke117]

...says the guy who hasn't watched basketball in five years.

[stalkerforlife]

This is a joke, OP.

When watching the games, Curry is very rarely wide open. Dude hits threes with hands in his face like it's nothing.

I don't care what any stat says.

[3ball]

Please consider that these flawed and inaccurate statistics aren't factoring in screens or pump fake fly-by shots.



Which part of NBA.com's data is inaccurate:



Curry attempted 11.3 three-pointers per game this season..

5.2 of them were "open" (4-6 feet from closest defender), and 2.7 were "very open" (6+ feet).. That's exactly 70.0% of Curry's 3-point attempts.

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sort=CLOSE_DEF_DIST_RANGE&dir=1


NBA.com says that 70% of Curry's 3-pointers were taken with 4+ feet of room - how is that flawed or inaccurate?

[3ball]

This is a joke OP

I don't care what any stat says.


It's a fact - NBA.com tracks the closest defender on all shots, and exactly 70% of Curry's 3-pointers are taken with 4+ feet of room.

Did you click on the NBA.com link - it's the 5th data set listed, called "closest defender":

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sort=CLOSE_DEF_DIST_RANGE&dir=1

[stalkerforlife]

It's a fact - NBA.com tracks the closest defender on all shots, and exactly 70% of Curry's 3-pointers are taken with 4+ feet of room.

Did you click on the NBA.com link - it's the 5th data set listed, called "closest defender":

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sort=CLOSE_DEF_DIST_RANGE&dir=1

But they're wrong because I just watched a clip that the other dude provided and I didn't see a single shot where a hand wasn't in his face. I didn't watch all 400+, of course, but every one I did watch was contested.

Why in the world would any team leave the greatest shooter to ever play wide open?

[NZStreetBaller]

This just proves that curry is a very intelligent decision maker on offense and will take as many open shots as possible unlike that idiot jordan who constantly tried to drive into the paint where all the defenders are... how stupid can a player be. Why didnt jordan just develop an elite 3 point shot and destroy teams from a distance like curry.....

[3ball]

Why didnt jordan just develop an elite 3 point shot and destroy teams from a distance like curry


Because he was a far superior to Curry - unlike Curry, Jordan didn't rely on the 3-point shot or any one aspect of the game to be great - consequently, he was more versatile, less exploitable, and performed better, especially against better competition (playoffs and Finals).

Also, Jordan said he thought the 3-point shot "hurt his game" and so he "didn't want to excel at it" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2CyJdCq-zU&t=0m06s) - infact, he said Drexler was a better 3-point shooter because he CHOSE to let Drexler be better at 3-pointers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iuDTsLZUfo&t=6m50s


Look at Jordan's form - it's FLAWLESS - if he wanted to be one of the best 3-point shooters ever, he could've been.

[Im Still Ballin]

Michael Jordan's Regular Season Career ISBDB™
0.16 ISBDB™

LeBron James' Regular Season Career ISBDB™
0.15 ISBDB™

Kobe Bryant's Regular Season Career ISBDB™
0.10 ISBDB™

[NZStreetBaller]

Because he was a far superior to Curry - unlike Curry, Jordan didn't rely on the 3-point shot or any one aspect of the game to be great - consequently, he was more versatile, less exploitable, and performed better, especially against better competition (playoffs and Finals).

Also, Jordan said he thought the 3-point shot "hurt his game" and so he "didn't want to excel at it" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2CyJdCq-zU&t=0m06s) - infact, he said Drexler was a better 3-point shooter because he CHOSE to let Drexler be better at 3-pointers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iuDTsLZUfo&t=6m50s


Look at Jordan's form - it's FLAWLESS - if he wanted to be one of the best 3-point shooters ever, he could've been.

And barrelling into a sea of defenders isnstill a smart move?? Currys skill set is perfectly suited to him hes a short (by nba standards) point guard. Why would he takes contested shots??? Jordan was one of the highest jumping guys in the nba he could shoot turn around mid range jumpers on just about anyone.

[3ball]

And barrelling into a sea of defenders isnstill a smart move?? Currys skill set is perfectly suited to him hes a short (by nba standards) point guard. Why would he takes contested shots??? Jordan was one of the highest jumping guys in the nba he could shoot turn around mid range jumpers on just about anyone.


Jordan wanted to be the best BASKETBALL player, not 3-point shooter.

If Jordan was only goat at 3-point shooting like Curry, he wouldn't be the greatest offensive player of all time.

This is Curry's first season as the NBA's best offensive player, compared to 10 for Jordan (in a row).. If Curry wants to match Jordan's goat offense, he needs to be the best from midrange and in the paint like Jordan, not just from 3-point range.

[aj1987]

Looking at footage in inefficient, especially when we have NBA.com stats that show:
This is why you're a retarded turd. You do not watch the games and never have. You can't analyze a player just through stats.

[iamgine]

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Curry attempted 11.3 three-point attempts per game this season.. 5.2 of them were "open" (4-6 feet of room), and 2.7 were "very open" (6+ feet):


........................................0-2 ft (very tight).... 2-4 ft (tight)..... 4-6 ft (open).... 6+ ft (very open)

STEPH CURRY'S.
3-PT ATTEMPTS PER GAME ............0.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season).................... 2.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..................5.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..................2.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season) <-- nba.com

PERCENTAGE OF
TOTAL 3-PT ATTEMPTS .................0.4%................ 26.1%.............45.9%.............24.3%



Don't be surprised that most of Curry's 3-pointers are wide open - today's drive-and-kick offenses require 3-4 players standing behind the line on every play (spacing), so the defense is stretched out and can't make timely rotations most of the time.. Curry's 3-pointers are actually less open than the rest of the league - over 80% (http://insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?p=12316018#post12316018) of the league's 3-pointers are "open" or "very open", compared to Curry's aforementioned 70%.

Ultimately, today's teams use offensive schemes that maximize 3-point looks, so players shoot 3-pointers easier than ever before - specifically, driving and kicking for 3-pointers wasn't common or the staple of ANY team's offense until about 10 years ago.. Guys like Reggie Miller and Larry Bird had to run off screens for more of their 3-point looks - they didn't get to stand there and wait for kickouts as often as today's player.

But the MAIN takeaway from this data is that 2-pointers are more CONTESTED, so eras that shot more 2-pointers produced better players - this is why Shaq was 10th in MVP voting in 1996, compared to Kyle Lowry in 2016 - can you say "watered down"??
https://media.giphy.com/media/l4Ki2obCyAQS5WhFe/giphy.gif

[kamil]

Does your stat take into account moving screens?

https://youtu.be/5ZQpKAibkEU

[diamenz]

...says the guy who hasn't watched basketball in five years.

...try eighteen years.

[golden24boy]

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Curry attempted 11.3 three-point attempts per game this season.. 5.2 of them were "open" (4-6 feet of room), and 2.7 were "very open" (6+ feet):


........................................0-2 ft (very tight).... 2-4 ft (tight)..... 4-6 ft (open).... 6+ ft (very open)

STEPH CURRY'S.
3-PT ATTEMPTS PER GAME ............0.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season).................... 2.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..................5.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..................2.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season) <-- nba.com

PERCENTAGE OF
TOTAL 3-PT ATTEMPTS .................0.4%................ 26.1%.............45.9%.............24.3%



Don't be surprised that most of Curry's 3-pointers are wide open - today's drive-and-kick offenses require 3-4 players standing behind the line on every play (spacing), so the defense is stretched out and can't make timely rotations most of the time.. Curry's 3-pointers are actually less open than the rest of the league - over 80% (http://insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?p=12316018#post12316018) of the league's 3-pointers are "open" or "very open", compared to Curry's aforementioned 70%.

Ultimately, today's teams use offensive schemes that maximize 3-point looks, so players shoot 3-pointers easier than ever before - specifically, driving and kicking for 3-pointers wasn't common or the staple of ANY team's offense until about 10 years ago.. Guys like Reggie Miller and Larry Bird had to run off screens for more of their 3-point looks - they didn't get to stand there and wait for kickouts as often as today's player.

But the MAIN takeaway from this data is that 2-pointers are more CONTESTED, so eras that shot more 2-pointers produced better players - this is why Shaq was 10th in MVP voting in 1996, compared to Kyle Lowry in 2016 - can you say "watered down"??


So somehow Jordan is better three pointer than curry right?...

[DingDengDong]

Let's not forget that Curry takes a lot of 3s from 5-10 feet beyond the 3 point line, which means those are likely to be open.

[Lebron23]

Let's not forget that Curry takes a lot of 3s from 5-10 feet beyond the 3 point line, which means those are likely to be open.

He's a good shooter.

[3ball]

Curry takes a lot of 3s from 5-10 feet beyond the 3 point line, which means those are likely to be open.


^^^^ This isn't true - only 45 of Curry's 886 three-point attempts were from beyond 30 feet.





those shots are likely to be open.


Don't be surprised that most of Curry's 3-pointers are wide open - today's drive-and-kick offenses require 3-4 players standing behind the line on every play (spacing), so the defense is stretched out and can't make timely rotations most of the time.. Curry's 3-pointers are actually less open than the rest of the league - over 80% (http://insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?p=12316018#post12316018) of the league's 3-pointers are "open" or "very open", compared to Curry's aforementioned 70%.

Ultimately, today's teams use offensive schemes that maximize 3-point looks, so players shoot 3-pointers easier than ever before - specifically, driving and kicking for 3-pointers wasn't common or the staple of ANY team's offense until about 10 years ago.. Guys like Reggie Miller and Larry Bird had to run off screens for more of their 3-point looks - they didn't get to stand there and wait for kickouts as often as today's player.

But the MAIN takeaway from this data is that 2-pointers are more CONTESTED, so eras that shot more 2-pointers produced better players - this is why Shaq was 10th in MVP voting in 1996, compared to Kyle Lowry in 2016 - can you say "watered down"??

[UK2K]

Please consider that these flawed and inaccurate statistics aren't factoring in screens or pump fake fly-by shots or bearhugs that go unnoticed by the officials.

3ball is trying to make it seem like Curry was completely ignored, no, he creates looks because he's the best player, the majority of his shots that are actually wide open are due to fakes and footwork, unlike 80s and 90s threes that were carelessly GIVEN AWAY !

Fail thread, for the 4th time you've attempted it, let it go@!

Corrected for accuracy.

[ShawkFactory]

You've made this exact thread before. Recently

[Quickening]

Curry is the best offensive player ever and thus unguardable, players cannot even get near him even though they know what he is going to do, due to his insane range and rapid release.

HE TRULY IS THE GOAT OFFENSIVE PLAYER :bowdown:

[3ball]

You've made this exact thread before. Recently
This IS that thread - i bumped it to remind everyone that 70% of Curry's 3-pointers are "open" (4-6 feet from closest defender) or "very open" (6+ feet) - this is the NBA's own data.

Don't be surprised that most of today's 3-pointers are wide open - today's player benefits from spaced-out defenders that can't cover the extra ground created by 3-point shooting.. Otoh, Jordan didn't have teammates spread the floor - teams only attempted 5 threes per game when Jordan won his first ring in 1991, compared to 25 attempts per game for today's teams.. Accordingly, his stats would explode in today's spaced-out game.

Just look at Lebron and Westbrook - Jordan has same or better athleticism, but they can't shoot (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12338297&postcount=47), while he had goat midrange efficiency, much better than Curry's (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12373019&postcount=26).

Essentially, MJ had Lebron/Westbrook's athleticism combined with Curry's goat shooting ability.

[ShawkFactory]

This IS that thread - i bumped it to remind everyone that 70% of Curry's 3-pointers are "open" (4-6 feet from closest defender) or "very open" (6+ feet) - this is the NBA's own data.

Don't be surprised that most of today's 3-pointers are wide open - today's player benefits from spaced-out defenders that can't cover the extra ground created by 3-point shooting.. Otoh, Jordan didn't have teammates spread the floor - teams only attempted 5 threes per game when Jordan won his first ring in 1991, compared to 25 attempts per game for today's teams.. Accordingly, his stats would explode in today's spaced-out game.

Just look at Lebron and Westbrook - Jordan has same or better athleticism, but they can't shoot (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12338297&postcount=47), while he had goat midrange efficiency, much better than Curry's (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12373019&postcount=26).

Essentially, MJ had Lebron/Westbrook's athleticism combined with Curry's goat shooting ability.
And you've made that exact post before. Recently.

[3ball]

And you've made that exact post before. Recently.
You're wrong, I've never made that identical post before - show me where the 2nd identical post is.

Let's see who's right about things.

[ShawkFactory]

You're wrong, I've never made that identical post before - show me where the 2nd identical post is.

Let's see who's right about things.
:wtf:

[Cali Syndicate]

Let's not forget that Curry takes a lot of 3s from 5-10 feet beyond the 3 point line, which means those are likely to be open.

And also not forget curry creates room to get his shot off. Him creating 2-3 feet of space off the dribble is pretty common. He does get a good number of clean looks running off those screens though but imo he's really the only player that can get a shot off like he does before the defender closes out due his crazy quick release

[DingDengDong]

^^^^ This isn't true - only 45 of Curry's 886 three-point attempts were from beyond 30 feet.

30 feet out does not account for the shots 5 feet out, just 6'3" and beyond. Heck, even 3 feet out gets you a nice cushion.

[tmacattack33]

Yes, on most of Curry's three pointers there is nobody within 4 feet...because his handles are so good that he can get that open.

Also, on many of the shots he isn't just shooting from two inches behind the line, he's about 5 feet behind the line...and so unless the defense wants to guard him out so far (which would be stupid since his handles and driving ability are so good), he's gonna be open for that shot.

Thank you 3ball for showing us these stats and showing us why Curry is the GOAT.

[bigkingsfan]

Shaq rarely had an open dunk so > MJ

[3ball]

30 feet out does not account for the shots 5 feet out, just 6'3" and beyond. Heck, even 3 feet out gets you a nice cushion.



It also helps when you don't real hand-checking - it's harder to get off jumpers and drive against this kind of defense:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-01-2015/V2-pAN.gif



The defense Curry and Lebron face is like flag football by comparison - no touch, hands-off, league-mandated space between players on perimeter:


https://media.giphy.com/media/l3972wjCJXPy5B9YI/giphy.gif



Here's real hand-checking again:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/11-13-2015/p8lMrn.gif



and flag football:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/12-03-2015/TgIP3N.gif



Also, hand-checking was MOST prevalent and effective at impeding the act of driving, which is specifically illegal in today's game (the gif below is a foul in today's game):


https://media.giphy.com/media/t99KQtLZZeVS8/giphy.gif



Compare to Steph Curry's unimpeded drive against Lebron - Lebron can't touch Curry to impede his drive or it's a a foul:


https://media.giphy.com/media/jTvD0KKh8KCgo/giphy.gif

Here's more examples of hand-checking impeding a drive:

https://media.giphy.com/media/TJPk9OncuzZoQ/giphy.gif
http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/8-02-2015/p6jsvL.gif


NO COMPARISON[/QUOTE]

[3ball]

Yes, on most of Curry's three pointers there is nobody within 4 feet...because his handles are so good that he can get that open.


Curry's good handles account for a small portion of his open 3-pointers - specifically, the ENTIRE LEAGUE shoots 80% (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=404693) of their 3-pointers with 4+ feet of room, compared to Curry's aforementioned 70%.. So Curry's handles account for 10 percentage points.





Also, on many of the shots he isn't just shooting from two inches behind the line, he's about 5 feet behind the line...and so unless the defense wants to guard him out so far (which would be stupid since his handles and driving ability are so good), he's gonna be open for that shot.


Any defender would love to guard him that far out and force him to turn his back like players needed to do in previous eras.. But today's NBA has banned defenders from making contact with the ballhandler (hand-checking), so tight perimeter defense is impossible - specifically, the NBA outlawed "impeding" a ballhandler, which is amazing in itself.

[Kvnzhangyay]

Curry's good handles account for a small portion of his open 3-pointers - specifically, the ENTIRE LEAGUE shoots 80% (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=404693) of their 3-pointers with 4+ feet of room, compared to Curry's aforementioned 70%.. So Curry's handles account for 10 percentage points.



Any defender would love to guard him that far out and force him to turn his back like players needed to do in previous eras.. But today's NBA has banned defenders from making contact with the ballhandler (hand-checking), so tight perimeter defense is impossible - specifically, the NBA outlawed "impeding" a ballhandler, which is amazing in itself.

Handchecking wouldn't even matter from the three point line cause most of Curry's shots come from a massive screen

The fact that Curry's shots are mostly open shows the high degree of difficulty- he shoots it so fast coming off of screens, off the dribble, etc. that it enhances the difficulty of the shot. And yet, it still goes in. Thus, the fact that over 70% of Curry's 3-pointers are wide open shows how much more difficult the threes he takes are

[3ball]

Handchecking wouldn't even matter from the three point line cause most of Curry's shots come from a massive screen


So now Curry needs a screen.. :rolleyes:





The fact that Curry's shots are mostly open shows the high degree of difficulty- he shoots it so fast coming off of screens, off the dribble, etc. that it enhances the difficulty of the shot. And yet, it still goes in. Thus, the fact that over 70% of Curry's 3-pointers are wide open shows how much more difficult the threes he takes are


:biggums:.. :whatever: .. ^^^ That makes no sense



THREAD CLIFFS:



70% of Curry's 3-pointers are "open" (4-6 feet from closest defender) or "very open" (6+ feet) - this is the NBA's own data.

It shouldn't be a surprise that most of today's 3-pointers are wide open since today's player benefits from spaced-out defenders that can't cover the extra ground created by 3-point shooting.. Otoh, Jordan didn't have teammates spreading the floor - teams only attempted 5 threes per game when Jordan won his first ring in 1991, compared to 25 attempts per game for today's teams.. Accordingly, his stats would explode in today's spaced-out game.

Just look at Lebron and Westbrook - Jordan has same or better athleticism, but they can't shoot (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12338297&postcount=47), while he had goat midrange efficiency, much better than Curry's (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12373019&postcount=26).

Essentially, MJ had Lebron/Westbrook's athleticism combined with Curry's goat shooting ability.
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[DingDengDong]

It also helps when you don't real hand-checking - it's harder to get off jumpers and drive against this kind of defense:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-01-2015/V2-pAN.gif



The defense Curry and Lebron face is like flag football by comparison - no touch, hands-off, league-mandated space between players on perimeter:


https://media.giphy.com/media/l3972wjCJXPy5B9YI/giphy.gif



Here's real hand-checking again:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/11-13-2015/p8lMrn.gif



and flag football:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/12-03-2015/TgIP3N.gif



Also, hand-checking was MOST prevalent and effective at impeding the act of driving, which is specifically illegal in today's game (the gif below is a foul in today's game):


https://media.giphy.com/media/t99KQtLZZeVS8/giphy.gif



Compare to Steph Curry's unimpeded drive against Lebron - Lebron can't touch Curry to impede his drive or it's a a foul:


https://media.giphy.com/media/jTvD0KKh8KCgo/giphy.gif

Here's more examples of hand-checking impeding a drive:

https://media.giphy.com/media/TJPk9OncuzZoQ/giphy.gif
http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/8-02-2015/p6jsvL.gif


NO COMPARISON[/QUOTE]
Why would you bother quoting me if none of your response above has anything to do with the point I made? This simply means you had no answer to my point and tried to divert mine.

[BlazerRed]

Illegal screens.

[3ball]

Why would you bother quoting me if none of your response above has anything to do with the point I made? This simply means you had no answer to my point and tried to divert mine.


What point did you make?.. Most of Curry's 3-pointers are wide open - so the facts are what they are.. Specifically, 70% of Curry's 3-pointers are "open" (4-6 feet from closest defender) or "very open" (6+ feet) - this is the NBA's own data.

It shouldn't be a surprise that most of today's 3-pointers are wide open since today's player benefits from spaced-out defenders that can't cover the extra ground created by 3-point shooting.. Otoh, Jordan didn't have teammates spreading the floor - teams only attempted 5 threes per game when Jordan won his first ring in 1991, compared to 25 attempts per game for today's teams.. Accordingly, his stats would explode in today's spaced-out game.

Just look at Lebron and Westbrook - Jordan has same or better athleticism, but they can't shoot (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12338297&postcount=47), while he had goat midrange efficiency, much better than Curry's (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12373019&postcount=26).

Essentially, MJ had Lebron/Westbrook's athleticism combined with Curry's goat shooting ability.

[Kvnzhangyay]

So now Curry needs a screen.. :rolleyes:



:biggums:.. :whatever: .. ^^^ That makes no sense



THREAD CLIFFS:



70% of Curry's 3-pointers are "open" (4-6 feet from closest defender) or "very open" (6+ feet) - this is the NBA's own data.

It shouldn't be a surprise that most of today's 3-pointers are wide open since today's player benefits from spaced-out defenders that can't cover the extra ground created by 3-point shooting.. Otoh, Jordan didn't have teammates spreading the floor - teams only attempted 5 threes per game when Jordan won his first ring in 1991, compared to 25 attempts per game for today's teams.. Accordingly, his stats would explode in today's spaced-out game.

Just look at Lebron and Westbrook - Jordan has same or better athleticism, but they can't shoot (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12338297&postcount=47), while he had goat midrange efficiency, much better than Curry's (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12373019&postcount=26).

Essentially, MJ had Lebron/Westbrook's athleticism combined with Curry's goat shooting ability.
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It DOES make sense... it's simple logic

Curry's shots are mostly open because it's SUCH HIGH DIFFICULTY!! For example, he takes it extremely quickly, OR it's on a tough fade away, which counts as open.

Thus, your stats prove how tough of a shotmaker Curry is

[3ball]

Curry's shots are mostly open because it's SUCH HIGH DIFFICULTY!!


this is an oxymoron





For example, he takes it extremely quickly, OR it's on a tough fade away, which counts as open.

Thus, your stats prove how tough of a shotmaker Curry is


What about the rest of the league - why does the rest of the league ALSO get wide open shots, even more than Curry does?

See, your argument is bullshit.

And why would Curry try to shoot quickly to get an uncontested shot, if he is good at making contested shots?.. He obviously ISN'T good at making contested shots, because he looks like the frail child who delivers my paper in the morning.

[iznogood]

Any defender would love to guard him that far out and force him to turn his back like players needed to do in previous eras.. But today's NBA has banned defenders from making contact with the ballhandler (hand-checking), so tight perimeter defense is impossible - specifically, the NBA outlawed "impeding" a ballhandler, which is amazing in itself.
You're mixing up two different things.

Guards used to turn their back to protect the ball from swiping, not to defend themselves from hand checking. Defenders use hand checking to impede penetration, not to steal the ball. Just look at the both gifs of Jordan you posted. The defenders use their hands to impede MJ's penetration. By your logic Jordan should be turning his back to prevent himself from hand checking, but he doesn't.

Nowadays the ballhandling rules are looser and ballhandlers don't need to turn their back to prevent themselves from being picked because it's easier to cross up someone that's trying to reach in aggressively.

You still see guards turning their back though - to set up a correct angle for a pick and roll, to save some breath and some do it because their handles are not good enough and they don't want to risk loosing the ball.

[3ball]

You're mixing up two different things.

Guards used to turn their back to protect the ball from swiping, not to defend themselves from hand checking. Defenders use hand checking to impede penetration, not to steal the ball.


Defenders used their right to hand-check to get closer to the ballhandler in general, and make contact when needed or wanted - closer proximity and/or contact with the ballhandler makes it easier to swipe/steal the ball and defend jumpshooting obviously.

[iznogood]

Defenders used their right to hand-check to get closer to the ballhandler in general, and make contact when needed or wanted - closer proximity and/or contact with the ballhandler makes it easier to swipe/steal the ball and defend jumpshooting obviously.
It's not true, just look at the f'king gifs you posted. Hand check is used to push off the ballhandler who's trying to drive, not to use it as some sort of hook like you're suggesting.

[Kvnzhangyay]

this is an oxymoron



What about the rest of the league - why does the rest of the league ALSO get wide open shots, even more than Curry does?

See, your argument is bullshit.

And why would Curry try to shoot quickly to get an uncontested shot, if he is good at making contested shots?.. He obviously ISN'T good at making contested shots, because he looks like the frail child who delivers my paper in the morning.

Actually, your counterargument literally makes no sense. The rest of the league gets open shots because the defense doesn't focus on guarding them as much.

Curry's open shots are different from the rest of the league. His uncontested shots are MORE difficult than a contested shot. So it doesn't matter if it's uncontested or contested, as an uncontested shot is higher difficulty!

[dankok8]

How open a shot is doesn't do justice to the difficulty of Curry's shots. I don't know the numbers but a large % of his shots are either off the dribble and/or a step or two behind the line. Open or not any other player who takes 25 footers and threes off the dribble with any kind of regularity would get benched. Curry makes a lot of them!

[3ball]

It's not true, just look at the f'king gifs you posted. Hand check is used to push off the ballhandler who's trying to drive, not to use it as some sort of hook like you're suggesting.
I'm saying the hand-check makes it easier to steal the ball because the defender is allowed to get closer to the ballhandler than defenders that can't hand-check..

This inclues making actual contact, which is illegal in today's game - obviously, it's easier to steal the ball when you're close enough to make contact than when you aren't.

[CuterThanRubio]

That is another reason why these stats are inaccurate, 3ball is presenting them with an agenda and purposely ignoring certain aspects.

An "open" three, standing behind the line by 3 feet or more is not exactly easy to make just because he isn't being directly contested.

His open shots are created, not given, the difference between the 80s/90s and now is that open shots were handed out back then because threes were ignored, while advanced motion offenses force defenders into confusion and create necessary separation today.

[3ball]

The spacing in today's game forces defenders to cover more ground - they're invariably late on rotations, which leaves jumpshooters more open.. Very open - 80% of their 3-pointers are with 4+ feet of room, including 70% of Curry's.

[ImKobe]

you can say that they were "wide open" but how many times did he create those open looks for himself due to his handles?

You're acting like that's a bad thing, only 54% of his threes were assisted and only 13% of those were from the corner.

If it was that easy, there would be more players shooting that well from the distance, but he's the only one to do it.

You look at his heat map, it's red from everywhere behind the arc, on some 2k shit. He alone has attempted more shots from 3 than many teams did up to the 2000s. That's crazy considering the league average.

[3ball]

Actually, your counterargument literally makes no sense. The rest of the league gets open shots because the defense doesn't focus on guarding them as much.

Curry's open shots are different from the rest of the league. His uncontested shots are MORE difficult than a contested shot. So it doesn't matter if it's uncontested or contested, as an uncontested shot is higher difficulty!


Curry shoots with 4+ feet of room on 70% of his shots - so he has enough time to shoot on 70% of his shots - you've basically been talking out of your ass.. now take this L

Again, don't be surprised that most of Curry's 3-pointers are wide open - today's drive-and-kick offenses require 3-4 players standing behind the line on every play (spacing), so the defense is stretched out and can't make timely rotations most of the time.. Curry's 3-pointers are actually less open than the rest of the league - over 80% (http://insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?p=12316018#post12316018) of the league's 3-pointers are "open" or "very open", compared to Curry's aforementioned 70%.

Otoh, Jordan didn't have teammates spreading the floor - teams only attempted 5 threes per game when Jordan won his first ring in 1991, compared to 25 attempts per game for today's teams.. Accordingly, his stats would explode in today's spaced-out game.. Just look at Lebron and Westbrook - Jordan has same or better athleticism, but they can't shoot (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12338297&postcount=47), while he had goat midrange efficiency, much better than Curry's (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12373019&postcount=26).. Essentially, MJ had Lebron/Westbrook's athleticism combined with Curry's goat shooting ability..

[iznogood]

I'm saying the hand-check makes it easier to steal the ball because the defender is allowed to get closer to the ballhandler than defenders that can't hand-check..

This inclues making actual contact, which is illegal in today's game - obviously, it's easier to steal the ball when you're close enough to make contact than when you aren't.
You're not gonna be able to stop somebody that's allowed to handle the ball like players today do simply by using your hands, because the ballhandling rules makes changing directions too easy.

Look at how MJ stuns his defender on your first gif when he goes between the legs to his left. And now you're adding in looser ballhandling rules, better ballhandlers, better shooting of the dribble and more screens. What you're suggesting is a suicide. Once somebody puts you in a bad position to defend by using a series of dribbles, you can't just use your hands to stop him because it's going to be a foul, no matter what foul rules you're playing under.

[3ball]

You're not gonna be able to stop somebody that's allowed to handle the ball like players today do simply by using your hands, because the ballhandling rules makes changing directions too easy.


You can do a lot more WITH hand-checking (previous eras), than withOUT (today's era).





Once somebody puts you in a bad position to defend by using a series of dribbles, you can't just use your hands to stop him because it's going to be a foul, no matter what foul rules you're playing under.



It usually WASN'T a foul to touch or forearm someone that had begun to dribble - that's why new rules were instituted.. The following plays show the defender impeding a dribble-drive with their hands - they're fouls in today's game, but were standard back then:


https://media.giphy.com/media/TJPk9OncuzZoQ/giphy.gif

https://media.giphy.com/media/t99KQtLZZeVS8/giphy.gif

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/8-02-2015/p6jsvL.gif

[iznogood]

I think the gifs you posted only prove my initial point further, wouldn't you agree?
MJ doesn't need to turn his back, even though the defenders use some contact to defend him. Not once has he had to use his back to shield himself from the defender.

It also proves the point from my earlier post - hand checking is only effective against straight line drive. The moment MJ uses a dribble to change the direction, his defender is thrown off balance and MJ has enough space to either pull up or blow by. And MJ only needs 1 move to lose his defender - now imagine somebody who can handle the ball like Kyrie Irving does and has the ability to pull up from 3.

[pauk]

3balls insecurity went from lebron to now curry aswell, thats when you know curry is great-doing something that he feels is threatening something about jordan.... curry fans should only take this as a compliment...

[greymatter]

Jordan was a 32.7% career 3pt shooter.

Remove the 2+ seasons playing with a shortened 3 pt line (94-95 to 96-97) and his career 3pt % drops to a pathetic 28.9%. 3ball is perhaps the most pathetic groupie who'll argue the stupidest shit because his face is Jordan's personal jizz-dumpster.

[3ball]

Jordan shot 28.9% on 3-pointers without the shortened line


Jordan made up for his lack of 3-point shooting compared to Curry with far superior midrange (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12373019&postcount=26) efficiency, and far less turnovers - these things gave him superior per possession efficiency (ortg), which is more important than Curry's per-shot efficiency.

Jordan's higher efficiency is remarkable considering he carried a bigger load: he produced a higher proportion of his team's points and assists with far less turnovers, while also carrying a bigger load on defense.

Ultimately, Jordan achieved the highest honor (championship and FMVP) while carrying a bigger load on both sides of the ball, all with greater efficiency - that covers all the bases.





Jordan was a 32.7% career 3pt shooter.


Jordan's offense was better than Curry's, even though Curry's teammates spaced the floor for him, and Jordan's didn't - teams only attempted 5 threes per game when Jordan won his first ring in 1991, compared to 25 attempts per game for today's teams.. Accordingly, his stats would explode in today's spaced-out game.

Just look at Lebron and Westbrook - Jordan has same or better athleticism, but they can't shoot (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12338297&postcount=47), while he had goat midrange efficiency, much better than Curry's (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12373019&postcount=26).. Essentially, MJ had Lebron/Westbrook's athleticism combined with Curry's goat shooting ability..

[Da_Realist]

MJ wouldn't need better 3pt efficiency to dominate the game. Count how many easy layups guys get today against set halfcourt defenses! Guys with less footspeed and skill are getting to the rim easily. Is Come Fly With Me that old?
He wouldn't need fancy dribbles like Steph and he wouldn't be tossing up a lot of floaters like Parker, either. He'd dunk and rack up 3pt plays ("And-1" -- made famous by Marv Albert for MJ). This will make up for not shooting ten 3's per game plus he'd compromise the interior defense (what little there is ) by saddling them with foul trouble. This is in addition to his dominant midrange game.
Why would MJ resort to shooting ten 3's a game when he could dominate in a better way? A 3pt shot is worth 3, but consistently attacking the rim causes foul trouble, compromises the defense and all the foul shooting slows the tempo and allows the defense to set up. It's the basketball equivalent to throwing Rocky style body shots.

[ArbitraryWater]

MJ wouldn't need better 3pt efficiency to dominate the game. Count how many easy layups guys get today against set halfcourt defenses! Guys with less footspeed and skill are getting to the rim easily. Is Come Fly With Me that old?
He wouldn't need fancy dribbles like Steph and he wouldn't be tossing up a lot of floaters like Parker, either. He'd dunk and rack up 3pt plays ("And-1" -- made famous by Marv Albert for MJ). This will make up for not shooting ten 3's per game plus he'd compromise the interior defense (what little there is ) by saddling them with foul trouble. This is in addition to his dominant midrange game.
Why would MJ resort to shooting ten 3's a game when he could dominate in a better way? A 3pt shot is worth 3, but consistently attacking the rim causes foul trouble, compromises the defense and all the foul shooting slows the tempo and allows the defense to set up. It's the basketball equivalent to throwing Rocky style body shots.

:applause:

[DingDengDong]

[I][COLOR="Navy"]What point did you make?...
We were discussing the distance he frequently shoots from beyond the 3 point line, you even quoted and bolded part of my point, and then you went off about hand checking which had nothing to do with that portion of the conversation.

[3ball]

We were discussing the distance he frequently shoots from beyond the 3 point line, you even quoted and bolded part of my point, and then you went off about hand checking which had nothing to do with that portion of the conversation.
Jordan made up for his lack of 3-point shooting compared to Curry with far superior midrange (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12373019&postcount=26) efficiency, and far less turnovers - these things gave him superior per possession efficiency (ortg), which is more important than Curry's per-shot efficiency.

Jordan's higher efficiency is remarkable considering he carried a bigger load: he produced a higher proportion of his team's points and assists with far less turnovers, while also carrying a bigger load on defense.

Jordan was superior on both ends, even though Curry's teammates spaced the floor for him, and Jordan's didn't - teams only attempted 5 threes per game when Jordan won his first ring in 1991, compared to 25 attempts per game for today's teams.. Accordingly, his stats would explode in today's spaced-out game.

Just look at Lebron and Westbrook - Jordan has same or better athleticism, but they can't shoot (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12338297&postcount=47), whereas he had goat midrange efficiency, much better than Curry's (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12373019&postcount=26).. Essentially, MJ had Lebron/Westbrook's athleticism combined with Curry's goat shooting ability..

[DingDengDong]

^ This again has absolutely nothing to do with what I was talking about. You clearly do not have a rebuttal, so you keep changing the argument.

[DCL]

Over 70% of Curry's 3-pointers are wide open

how is this terrible?

you want a 3point-shooter to shoot 70% of his 3's with hands all over his face??

kobe

[DingDengDong]

I'm just pointing out that most of today's threes are wide open - this has many implications.

For example, we know that 2-pointers have always been more contested, so the eras that shot more 2-pointers produced better players - i.e. Kyle Lowry was 10th in MVP voting in 2016, compared to Shaq in 1996.
None of that makes any sense. :roll:

[3ball]

you want a 3-point shooter to shoot with a hand in his face


I'm just pointing out that most of today's threes are wide open - this has many implications.

For example, we know that 2-pointers have always been more contested (this data proves it - obviously, most 2-pointers aren't taken with 4+ feet of room like today's 3-pointers), so the eras that shot more 2-pointers produced players that were better at a more diverse range of contested 2-point shots, rather than wide open 3-pointers - this is why those eras produced better players - i.e. Kyle Lowry was 10th in MVP voting in 2016, compared to Shaq in 1996..

Also, now that teams have sufficient 3-point shooting personnel to drive-and-kick for 3-pointers (as opposed to 2-pointers), the drive-and-kick format has become more efficient than the post-up format.. This proves that the decline in post-ups is due to higher efficiency drive-and-kick made possible by 3-pointers, not defensive tactics.. In the absence of 3-pointers, no amount of defensive strategy could prevent post-ups from supplanting drive-and-kick..

Since post-ups, mid-range, off-ball and isolations were the only things left in the 80's without the 3-pointers needed to make drive-and-kick worthwhile, we can say with certainty that many of today's elite players would be lesser players back then - their 3-and-D skill sets exclude elite ability in any of the aforementioned areas.
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[3ball]

30 feet out does not account for the shots 5 feet out, just 6'3" and beyond. Heck, even 3 feet out gets you a nice cushion.


You don't get it - the ENTIRE LEAGUE shoots wide open 3-pointers, not just Curry.. 80% (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=404693) of the NBA's 3-pointers are either taken with 4+ feet of room, compared to Curry's aforementioned 70%.

So Curry benefits from today's spacing just like everyone else, which is why his shots are mostly open, just like everyone else's.. Don't be surprised that most of the league's 3-pointers are wide open - today's drive-and-kick offenses require 3-4 players standing behind the line on every play (spacing), so the defense is stretched out and can't make timely rotations most of the time..

Regarding the hand-check ban - the hand-check ban prevents today's perimeter defenders from getting as close to the ballhandler as previous eras.. Hand-checking allowed closer and more physical perimeter defense, which made jumpshooting and ballhandling more difficult..

[DingDengDong]

You don't get it - the ENTIRE LEAGUE shoots wide open 3-pointers, not just Curry.. 80% (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=404693) of the NBA's 3-pointers are either taken with 4+ feet of room, compared to Curry's aforementioned 70%.

So Curry benefits from today's spacing just like everyone else, which is why his shots are mostly open, just like everyone else's.. Don't be surprised that most of the league's 3-pointers are wide open - today's drive-and-kick offenses require 3-4 players standing behind the line on every play (spacing), so the defense is stretched out and can't make timely rotations most of the time..

Regarding the hand-check ban - the hand-check ban prevents today's perimeter defenders from getting as close to the ballhandler as previous eras.. Hand-checking allowed closer and more physical perimeter defense, which made jumpshooting and ballhandling more difficult..

You don't get it. Having players shoot contested 2s does not make that era better. Having Shaq at 10th in MVP isn't because of the quality of the era, it was because he only played 54 of the seasons 82 games :hammerhead: What a silly way of justifying anything.

[3ball]

Having players shoot contested 2s does not make that era better.


Yes it does because most 3-pointers are scored the same way - catch-and-shoot - and we know most of threes are wide open.

So obviously, the era that has mastered wide open, catch-and-shoots will invariably be worse than the era that mastered a more diverse range of highly contested shots.

Just look at the OKC-Warrior highlights from last night - down the stretch, all the big shots were highly contested, iso midrange pull-ups - but in previous eras, contested midrange wasn't only reserved for the most important times of the game - that was the standard, every-possession offense back then..





Having Shaq at 10th in MVP isn't because of the quality of the era, it was because he only played 54 of the seasons 82 games


Again - the eras that mastered a diverse range of contested shots (previous eras) is better than the era that mastered wide open, catch-and-shoots (today's era).

Accordingly, the Shaq/Lowry dynamic isn't a one-off - there's numerous examples like that EVERY YEAR.. For example, compare the top 10 MVP voting for 1996, 2000 and 2016 side-by-side... 1996 and 2000 destroy 2016:


......1996.....................2016............... ......2000

Michael Jordan........... Steph Curry............... Shaquille O'Neal
David Robinson.......... Kawhi Leonard............ Kevin Garnett
Hakeem Olajuwon...... Lebron James............. Tim Duncan
Karl Malone............... Kevin Durant.............. Karl Malone
Scottie Pippen............ Russell Westbrook...... Alonzo Mourning
Gary Payton.............. Chris Paul.................. Gary Payton
Grant Hill.................. Draymond Green........ Grant Hill
Shawn Kemp............. James Harden............ Chris Webber
Penny Hardaway........ Kyle Lowry................. Vince Carter
Shaquille O'Neal........ Damian Lillard............ Jason Kidd


#1 thru #3 - 1996 and 2000 > 2016

#4 and #5 - 2016 wins with Durant and Westbrook, and #6 is a wash with dpoy Payton vs. Paul

#8 thru #10 - 2016 gets DESTROYED - Carter/Webber/Kidd (2000) and Kemp/Penny/Shaq (1996) destroy Harden/Lowry/Lillard

Now let's get back to #7... Grant Hill is one of the best lane-penetrating SF's in history, even though he didn't have teammates to spread the floor for him like today's game - his game would EXPLODE with today's spacing, especially the Warriors' goat 3-point shooting.. Grant Hill would be a top 3-4 player in today's game and destroys Draymond, whose rudimentary skills and moves benefit from today's spacing.





What a silly way of justifying anything.


You actually responded to the wrong post - you originally said that Curry's 3-pointers are open because he shoots a lot of long 3-pointers - so I pointed out that the ENTIRE LEAGUE ([url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=404693) shoots wide open 3-pointers, not just Curry.

So Curry benefits from today's spacing just like everyone else, which is why his shots are mostly open, just like everyone else.

Don't be surprised that most of the league's 3-pointers are wide open - today's drive-and-kick offenses require 3-4 players standing behind the line on every play (spacing), so the defense is stretched out and can't make timely rotations most of the time..

Regarding the hand-check ban - the hand-check ban prevents today's perimeter defenders from getting as close to the ballhandler as previous eras.. Hand-checking allowed closer and more physical perimeter defense, which made jumpshooting and ballhandling more difficult..

[DingDengDong]

So obviously, the era that has mastered wide open, catch-and-shoots will invariably be worse than the era that mastered a more diverse range of highly contested shots.
How can we take you seriously when you repeatedly spout ridiculous nonsense. This is like saying Kobe taking more contested shots is better than Jordan taking smart shots. You act like mastering the art of getting open shots and making them is a bad thing, and players are better off at being decent at contested shots.

The rest of your post consists of copy and paste arguments from you we have seen broken down time and time again.

I genuinely feel sorry for you by the way. Everybody agrees that Jordan is the GOAT, yet you feel compelled to start arguments that weren't there to begin with just to keep your precious Jordan on peoples' minds. It is really quite sad and pathetic.

[jlip]

Over 40% of MJ's made 3- pointers would most likely be only worth two points today, as they were made during the time when the line was shortened.

[Trollsmasher]

great thread, 3ball:applause:

most of this is caused by all those moving screens the refs don't call because the Warriors are the current posterboys, like MJ used to be