In an 8-9 year span, Kobe will have been passed by FIVE players

[ArbitraryWater]

Individually, Kobe and Dirk were pretty head to head for their careers, then Dirk went by him with their contrasting 2011 seasons, and the years to come... it all just started there.

Duncan had the edge on Kobe in the early 00's, they were pretty head-to-head in the mid 00's, and Kobe had the edge in the late 00's, Duncan was more irrelevant and away from Kobe than Kobe was from him in the early 00's....

then, Duncan was the best player on a title team in 2014, and followed it up with an amazing 2015 season.

LeBron James, on top of having a vast array of superior seasons than Kobe and a more coveted individual resume and statistics all pointing his way, just needed that championship to boast his cover, done in 2012...



now, with Durant and Curry squaring up in the WCF, the two best players for the coming years, it looks like these two are well on their way to pass Bryant, in the future as welll....

right now, Kobe fans aren't taking the 'top 15 all time' very well, in a few years, they should be flattered by it.

Rough for such a brainwashed following.

[SpaceJam]

Stop reading after you mentioned Dirk passing Kobe tbh

[SwayDizzle]

y r u such a loser?

[Im Still Ballin]

http://lakersball.com/styles/Complete%20Smilies/sunglassguy150px-opt2.gif

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Dirk literally has zero case over Kobe all-time (and he and LeBron, objectively, are essentially neck and neck). You should be more worried about Curry anyway. You know, considering guy is basically the defacto best player in the L, yanking the torch from your boy. Another finals loss and your ilk will have no choice but to bury their head in the sand.

Cut out the trolling, young foreigner. :oldlol:

[Magic 32]

Individually, Kobe and Dirk were pretty head to head for their careers, then Dirk went by him with their contrasting 2011 seasons, and the years to come... it all just started there.

Duncan had the edge on Kobe in the early 00's, they were pretty head-to-head in the mid 00's, and Kobe had the edge in the late 00's, Duncan was more irrelevant and away from Kobe than Kobe was from him in the early 00's....

then, Duncan was the best player on a title team in 2014, and followed it up with an amazing 2015 season.

LeBron James, on top of having a vast array of superior seasons than Kobe and a more coveted individual resume and statistics all pointing his way, just needed that championship to boast his cover, done in 2012...



now, with Durant and Curry squaring up in the WCF, the two best players for the coming years, it looks like these two are well on their way to pass Bryant, in the future as welll....

right now, Kobe fans aren't taking the 'top 15 all time' very well, in a few years, they should be flattered by it.

Rough for such a brainwashed following.


Kobe clearly won't pass five players in your head.

He is number one in there.

[ArbitraryWater]

Dirk literally has zero case over Kobe all-time (and he and LeBron, objectively, are essentially neck and neck). You should be more worried about Curry anyway. You know, considering guy is basically the defacto best player in the L, yanking the torch from your boy. Another finals loss and your ilk will have no choice but to bury their head in the sand.

Cut out the trolling, young foreigner. :oldlol:

:D

[ArbitraryWater]

Anyone not a dumb ESPN sheep should be able to tell Dirk has more positive impact on a basketball game, is a far better leader, clutch presence, and lets everyone thrive alongside of him.

[coin24]

Kobe will live on forever in his biggest fans like Ops head:applause:

[aj1987]

:roll: :roll: @ Dirk and Kobe even being in the same tier as players.

[ArbitraryWater]

:roll: :roll: @ Dirk and Kobe even being in the same tier as players.

http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/yeshrug.png


Yo, tonight will change the ISH experience for the next 6 months... you or me.

[guy]

In what world is Durant on his way?

[aj1987]

In what world is Durant on his way?
KD only needs to make like 5-6 All-Def first teams, win 2-3 more MVP's, 2-3 rings, and 2-3 FMVP's. Then, we can put him in the same conversation as Kobe as an ATG.

[feyki]

Shame :facepalm

[DingDengDong]

Duncan was never behind Kobe. Kobe gained some ground in the late 2000s, but was not ahead of him.

[knicksman]

Just admit it bran stans. you were wrong about bran. LMAO gullible idiots fooled by statpadder

[r0drig0lac]

KD only needs to make like 5-6 All-Def first teams, win 2-3 more MVP's, 2-3 rings, and 2-3 FMVP's. Then, we can put him in the same conversation as Kobe as an ATG.
it is really very difficult, believe it is almost impossible with the new children coming (KAT, Simmons?) and other current talents in the league (Curry, Dray, West, Lebron, Kawhi, etc)

[Mr. Jabbar]

stopped reading at arbitrarywater

[Braincells]

man u are sleeping on ben simmons

[SamuraiSWISH]

SMH @ Dirk and Kobe being equals.

[ArbitraryWater]

In what world is Durant on his way?



KD only needs to make like 5-6 All-Def first teams, win 2-3 more MVP's, 2-3 rings, and 2-3 FMVP's. Then, we can put him in the same conversation as Kobe as an ATG.

dafuq?

Dude already has the MVP's... the historic season Kobe doesn't have, and if he movies into the finals now, he gets his second chance at a title in the finals... 2 titles for Kobe, but he didn't have to play LeBron in the finals. In an equal supporting cast field, Kobe would be left with no titles either. Plus, a healthy Thunder team probably has the best shot at a title last year, considering GSW still had their issues :confusedshrug:

And there is obviously no question if KD can win along Shaq, I mean, come on now.

He's piling on more and more seasons as better player.

[TheImmortal]

Take a L clown. :facepalm

[GrapeApe]

Kobe is widely considered a top 10 player all-time. Dirk is great but obviously not at that level (15-20). The question becomes, if KD and Curry pass Kobe, who else is being displaced?

I don't think people give enough consideration to that when making these premature all-time ranking predictions. For a player to move up the ranks, soneone must move down the ranks.

[ballinhun8]

Stop reading after you mentioned Dirk passing Kobe tbh



This.



OP needs to take breath some fresh air to start thinking right.

[Lebron23]

This.



OP needs to take breath some fresh air to start thinking right.


You need to follow your own advise hombre.

[ballinhun8]

You need to follow your own advise hombre.




Advice**


You need to study a dictionary if you want to write English Cailou.

[Lebron23]

Advice**


You need to study a dictionary if you want to write English Cailou.


I'm using my cp Hombre. You understand what I wrote Dickface.

[Fudge]

Great post, OP. Totally agreed.

[VengefulAngel]

23k posts :eek: :eek: :eek:

[Smoke117]

Pretty much.

[Lebron23]

Great post, OP. Totally agreed.


LeBron James Jr. is also going to surpass him. He might be outside the top 20 by 2036.

[aj1987]

Dude already has the MVP's...
He has ONE MVP.



the historic season Kobe doesn't have
:facepalm :facepalm

I know that you're like 16, but Kobe's '03 seasons alone was ass good as KD's '14 season. Not to mention the '06 season.


and if he movies into the finals now, he gets his second chance at a title in the finals... 2 titles for Kobe, but he didn't have to play LeBron in the finals. In an equal supporting cast field, Kobe would be left with no titles either. Plus, a healthy Thunder team probably has the best shot at a title last year, considering GSW still had their issues
The **** are you even talking about? Hypotheticals could be used for LeBron as well. Without Wade, the guy would still be ringless.


And there is obviously no question if KD can win along Shaq, I mean, come on now.
Nope. KD's not even close to being on prime Kobe's level defensively and Kobe was also a much better playmaker than KD.


He's piling on more and more seasons as better player.
He has one MVP, 1 Finals appearance, and 0 All-Def teams after 9 seasons in the league.

[Disaprine]

Individually, Kobe and Dirk were pretty head to head for their careers
stopped reading :roll:
bran stans are hilarious. :roll:

[guy]

dafuq?

Dude already has the MVP's... the historic season Kobe doesn't have, and if he movies into the finals now, he gets his second chance at a title in the finals... 2 titles for Kobe, but he didn't have to play LeBron in the finals. In an equal supporting cast field, Kobe would be left with no titles either. Plus, a healthy Thunder team probably has the best shot at a title last year, considering GSW still had their issues :confusedshrug:

And there is obviously no question if KD can win along Shaq, I mean, come on now.

He's piling on more and more seasons as better player.

Kobe doesn't have a historic season?

I forgot, Lebron has proven to be this unstoppable force in the finals. :rolleyes:

There's no way Kobe would let Westbrook takeover his team to his team's detriment the way Durant has so the supporting cast argument doesn't really matter.

Your argument relies way too much on hypotheticals. It's one thing if KD was actually close in accomplishments and/or given us more evidence of him being capable as accomplishing that much, but he hasn't.

[scuzzy]

Agreed op :cheers:

[HOoopCityJones]

:oldlol:

[ArbitraryWater]

Great post, OP. Totally agreed.


Pretty much.


Agreed op :cheers:

nice to see the good posters agree :cheers:

[ArbitraryWater]

Dudes thinking what Kobe did in '06 was historic when everyone and their mothers were doing it :oldlol:

[ArbitraryWater]

The **** are you even talking about? Hypotheticals could be used for LeBron as well. Without Wade, the guy would still be ringless

What would be the point of that hypothetical? Wade didnt play like a Superstar, but your average all-star... thats basic help. Cant ask for less on title winning teams.

[Lebron23]

Dudes thinking what Kobe did in '06 was historic when everyone and their mothers were doing it :oldlol:


Bron at aged 21 also averaged 31/7/7

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

If Kobe doesn't have ANY historic seasons then neither do LeBron and KD.

I mean, its really that simple. :confusedshrug:

[Uncle Drew]

stopped reading at arbitrarywater
*AutisticWater

[Uncle Drew]

Take a L clown. :facepalm
an.

[aj1987]

What would be the point of that hypothetical? Wade didnt play like a Superstar, but your average all-star... thats basic help. Cant ask for less on title winning teams.
:biggums:

It's a FACT that LeBron is ringless without Wade. Wade was a superstar in '12. Dude averaged 23/4/5/2/1 on 46% with elite defense.


Dudes thinking what Kobe did in '06 was historic when everyone and their mothers were doing it

You make warriorfan sound smart, kid. How many players in the history of the game averaged 35 PPG a season?

[ArbitraryWater]

:biggums:

It's a FACT that LeBron is ringless without Wade. Wade was a superstar in '12. Dude averaged 23/4/5/2/1 on 46% with elite defense.


You make warriorfan sound smart, kid. How many players in the history of the game averaged 35 PPG a season?

Rick Barry

.. and how many players have taken 25 FGA? El - Mao.

23/4 on 46% and a mediocre TS% is not superstar :roll:


If Kobe doesn't have ANY historic seasons then neither do LeBron and KD.

I mean, its really that simple. :confusedshrug:

You reverting back with your logic...

everything about LeBron's 2009, 2010, 2012 and 2013 seasons is historic... various historic feats. VARIOUS.

Dont let your emotions get the best of you (talking about Bron and the itch he causes on your ******)

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Rick Barry

.. and how many players have taken 25 FGA? El - Mao.

23/4 on 46% and a mediocre TS% is not superstar :roll:



You reverting back with your logic...

everything about LeBron's 2009, 2010, 2012 and 2013 seasons is historic... various historic feats. VARIOUS.

Dont let your emotions get the best of you (talking about Bron and the itch he causes on your ******)

Neither of those seasons are historic according to YOUR logic, not mine.

You've really lost it dude. I can't tell if you're trolling or just batshit insane. Probably both.

[ArbitraryWater]

Neither of those seasons are historic according to YOUR logic, not mine.

You've really lost it dude. I can't tell if you're trolling or just batshit insane. Probably both.

I dont get it?

Regarding '06, most 20+ ppg scorers ever... multiple perimeter scorers suddenly having better seasons again.


Not even remotely close to whatever you want to hang on the '09-'13 period.

Shit... the "trolling or insane" stuff again? You're acting like a damn 14 year old... grow up.

[ArbitraryWater]

"35 ppg doe"

2006 is the most league inflated season since the 1960's.

Allen Iverson averaged 33.0, LeBron averaged 31.4, and Gilbert Arenas averaged 29.3.

To put it in perspective, no player has averaged better than LeBron's 31.4 since, even though he was third in scoring that year! (2014 Durant has now caught that up).

Three 30+ ppg scorers, AND Arenas at 29.3. The last time 3+ players averaged 30+ points per game was 1981/1982.
3 30+ ppg scorers only happened 6 times in the entire history of the NBA. 1975, 1982, and 2006 are the only ones outside of the 1960's.

The most 24+ ppg players in one season ever (12). A total of 24 20+ ppg scorers.

22 players besides Kobe had a 40+ point game. Among them: Mike Bibby (4x), Jason Richardson (3x), Michael Redd (3x), Rashard Lewis (2x), Elton Brand, Pau Gasol, Richard Hamilton, Richard Jefferson, Shawn Marion, Mike Miller, Charlie Villanueva, Gerald Wallace.

Just about every perimeter star saw their career highs in ppg, FG%, or both. But all of this is just one massive coincidence, of course.


Me = Bringer of Facts

Posters like kuniva = still not living up to their promising expectations created in their early years

[MEB2kDeez]

KD only needs to make like 5-6 All-Def first teams, win 2-3 more MVP's, 2-3 rings, and 2-3 FMVP's. Then, we can put him in the same conversation as Kobe as an ATG.
:cheers: Fair man

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I dont get it?

Regarding '06, most 20+ ppg scorers ever... multiple perimeter scorers suddenly having better seasons again.


Not even remotely close to whatever you want to hang on the '09-'13 period.

Shit... the "trolling or insane" stuff again? You're acting like a damn 14 year old... grow up.

Kobe was the first perimeter player to score 35ppg since 80s Jordan (on good efficiency) AND tied/broke some of Wilt's scoring feats that season...from the 1960's. Yet you're sitting here telling us that it wasn't a historic season and expect us NOT to think you're crazy?

What do you want me to say? That you're not trolling and just obtuse? :confusedshrug:

[ArbitraryWater]

Kobe's highest PPG season:

'05-'06: 35 PPG, #2 Scorer in the league: Allen Iverson 33 PPG (on same efficiency)

:roll:

So historic, right? Unless you think Iverson's was historic as well, of course... dealing with morons here.

[sportjames23]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[aj1987]

Rick Barry

.. and how many players have taken 25 FGA? El - Mao.

23/5/4/2/1 on 46% and a mediocre TS% is not superstar
You weren't watching basketball back in '12? Not really surprised though.

Even if you ignore Kobe's '06 season, dude averaged 30 PPG 2 more times.

30/7/6/2/1 and 32/6/5/1/1. 49/5/3/1 on 61% TS over a 7 game stretch in '07.

I know that you're a LeBron *** guzzler, but KD is not even close to being on Kobe's level.


everything about LeBron's 2009, 2010, 2012 and 2013 seasons is historic... various historic feats. VARIOUS.
The **** is historic about the '09, '10, '12, and '13 seasons? Did be break scoring records? Did he lead the league in assists?

Do you know the meaning of the word historic?

[ballinhun8]

What's so historic about Bron in 09? Or thru the 13 season exactly?


Besides the long winning streak? Which was good for second place. I know second place is like first place to you brontards but what else was historic about his season if his production during those years we have already seen?

[Smoke117]

Soon to be the 17th all time great. :applause:

[guy]

Rick Barry

.. and how many players have taken 25 FGA? El - Mao.

23/4 on 46% and a mediocre TS% is not superstar :roll:

You reverting back with your logic...

everything about LeBron's 2009, 2010, 2012 and 2013 seasons is historic... various historic feats. VARIOUS.

Dont let your emotions get the best of you (talking about Bron and the itch he causes on your ******)

The second highest scoring average since the merger, 81 points, 62 in 3 quarters, 6 50+ point games, leading a really bad team to the playoffs etc. By the way, I'm pretty sure the rules haven't changed since that Kobe season, so just comparing it to players from that season isn't really fair. And either way, he was the best from that season, and no one has had a season similar to that, not necessarily better, since then. You're being ridiculously picky and petty if you think that's not historic. If that's not historic, what the hell was so historic about Durant's season? I'm not a Kobe fan at all, but this is dumb as sh*t.

An average all-star is like Kyle Lowry. Not someone that puts up 23/5/4 as the secondary option on a great team. If that's average, why the hell do people give so much credit to players like Pippen and Gasol? What average all-star puts up 41/10 on 68% in a game 6 closeout playoff win?

[ArbitraryWater]

LeBron in '09 has the highest on/off ever you dimwits...

Led the league in virtually every advanced statistic PLUS MVP.

On a per-minute basis, James' 87.9% individual win percentage (the estimate of how often James and 4 average players would win) BLOWS AWAY any other performance since the merger.

Net: +21.2 plus/minus (record)

The highest total on-court plus/minus since the tracking of play-by-play (1996/97) = +871

2nd highest DRAPM among qualifying perimeters players behind Artest (+2.8)

On-court: 100.6 (-7.7 from LGA)
Off-court: 108.8 (+0.5 from LGA)

That is the equivalent to the Cavaliers having the #1 ranked defense in the league with LeBron to being ranked #19 (below league average) without LeBron.

Defensive statistics for his position:

-17.3 pts allowed (1st in league)
-41.2% FG (1st in league)
-15.1 FGA allowed (2nd fewest in league)
-16.6 Efficiency allowed (1st in league)
-1.3 Offensive Rebounds allowed *boxouts* (3rd in league)

http://s10.postimg.org/wkfxdok21/tumblr_nsijn1k58_G1us9dq8o1_1280.jpg

*6.5 Defensive Win Shares for the season (only '95 Pippen and '73 Havlicek have achieved more relative to position)

Synergy rated James as the league's second-best defender behind Dwight Howard. He allowed an 11.9 PER to opposing small forwards according to 82games.com, while Basketball value says Cleveland gave up 4.51 fewer points per 100 possessions with him on the court.

43.6 PER through 2 rounds and 46.8 PER against the Hawks

On court ORtg was 117.2 and On court DRtg was 92.4 (differential of +24.8)

4th quarters per 48 he averaged 32/10/8 on 57.4 TS%

On court ORTG of 113.8 and On court DRtg of 98.7 (differential of +15.1) and an Assist % of 48.0% (borderline Chris Paul, John Stockton, Magic Johnson, Steve Nash category).

Clutch time per 48 in the 4th quarter or overtime, less than 5 minutes left, neither team ahead by more than 5 points: 58/18/8 on 69.6 TS%

Net: +30.5 plus/minus

2nd Highest PER for any playoff run ever.

"not historic"

AJ you continue to amaze with your stupidity.

Just get ready for your new avatar ole brownie, will make your shit posting more tolerable.

[Lebron23]

What's so historic about Bron in 09? Or thru the 13 season exactly?


Besides the long winning streak? Which was good for second place. I know second place is like first place to you brontards but what else was historic about his season if his production during those years we have already seen?


You are a loser. When was the last time you play basketball? I'm talking about real basketball not NBA2k15.

[aj1987]

The second highest scoring average since the merger, 81 points, 62 in 3 quarters, 6 50+ point games, leading a really bad team to the playoffs etc. You're being ridiculously picky and petty if you think that's not historic. If that's not historic, what the hell was so historic about Durant's season? I'm not a Kobe fan at all, but this is dumb as sh*t.

An average all-star is like Kyle Lowry. Not someone that puts up 23/5/4 as the secondary option on a great team. If that's average, why the hell do people give so much credit to players like Pippen and Gasol? What average all-star puts up 41/10 on 68% in a game 6 closeout playoff win?
Logic and AutisticWater are like oil and water.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

LeBron in '09 has the highest on/off ever you dimwits...

Led the league in virtually every advanced statistic PLUS MVP.

On a per-minute basis, James' 87.9% individual win percentage (the estimate of how often James and 4 average players would win) BLOWS AWAY any other performance since the merger.

Net: +21.2 plus/minus (record)

The highest total on-court plus/minus since the tracking of play-by-play (1996/97) = +871

2nd highest DRAPM among qualifying perimeters players behind Artest (+2.8)

On-court: 100.6 (-7.7 from LGA)
Off-court: 108.8 (+0.5 from LGA)

That is the equivalent to the Cavaliers having the #1 ranked defense in the league with LeBron to being ranked #19 (below league average) without LeBron.

Defensive statistics for his position:

-17.3 pts allowed (1st in league)
-41.2% FG (1st in league)
-15.1 FGA allowed (2nd fewest in league)
-16.6 Efficiency allowed (1st in league)
-1.3 Offensive Rebounds allowed *boxouts* (3rd in league)

http://s10.postimg.org/wkfxdok21/tumblr_nsijn1k58_G1us9dq8o1_1280.jpg

*6.5 Defensive Win Shares for the season (only '95 Pippen and '73 Havlicek have achieved more relative to position)

Synergy rated James as the league's second-best defender behind Dwight Howard. He allowed an 11.9 PER to opposing small forwards according to 82games.com, while Basketball value says Cleveland gave up 4.51 fewer points per 100 possessions with him on the court.

43.6 PER through 2 rounds and 46.8 PER against the Hawks

On court ORtg was 117.2 and On court DRtg was 92.4 (differential of +24.8)

4th quarters per 48 he averaged 32/10/8 on 57.4 TS%

On court ORTG of 113.8 and On court DRtg of 98.7 (differential of +15.1) and an Assist % of 48.0% (borderline Chris Paul, John Stockton, Magic Johnson, Steve Nash category).

Clutch time per 48 in the 4th quarter or overtime, less than 5 minutes left, neither team ahead by more than 5 points: 58/18/8 on 69.6 TS%

Net: +30.5 plus/minus

Highest Win Share for any playoff run ever.

"not historic"

AJ you continue to amaze with your stupidity.

Just get ready for your new avatar ole brownie, will make your shit posting more tolerable.

That's a lot of copy and pasta just to say you have no idea what you're talking about. :oldlol:

You literally have zero clue what 'historic' means in the context of professional basketball.

[INDI]

Stop reading after you mentioned Dirk passing Kobe tbh

Same here :oldlol:

Came in the thread for a healthy debate, then I saw how he started his argument :roll:

[tpols]

full meltdown this morning huh AW? whats wrong pal?

[ballinhun8]

Lmfao




Every "advanced" stat is what made it so "historic". This is the crap that sucks about advanced stats. No one cares for them when you're talking bball with the average Joe. You're not gonna win an argument with this as your defense. Even the link you posted doesn't mention Bron so how are we supposed to believe it is him? I do believe but that's not a credible source yet.


Come on, you're grasping at straws here. There's nothing there that you post that stands out as historic. He had a really really good season. But Curry had one better this season. Even the games are historic he had this season. What stands out in 09 for lebron?

[ArbitraryWater]

That's a lot of copy and pasta just to say you have no idea what you're talking about. :oldlol:

You literally have zero clue what 'historic' means in the context of professional basketball.

cringe... wasn't that expected.

you kind of left out this though :oldlol:



"35 ppg doe"

2006 is the most league inflated season since the 1960's.

Allen Iverson averaged 33.0, LeBron averaged 31.4, and Gilbert Arenas averaged 29.3.

To put it in perspective, no player has averaged better than LeBron's 31.4 since, even though he was third in scoring that year! (2014 Durant has now caught that up).

Three 30+ ppg scorers, AND Arenas at 29.3. The last time 3+ players averaged 30+ points per game was 1981/1982.
3 30+ ppg scorers only happened 6 times in the entire history of the NBA. 1975, 1982, and 2006 are the only ones outside of the 1960's.

The most 24+ ppg players in one season ever (12). A total of 24 20+ ppg scorers.

22 players besides Kobe had a 40+ point game. Among them: Mike Bibby (4x), Jason Richardson (3x), Michael Redd (3x), Rashard Lewis (2x), Elton Brand, Pau Gasol, Richard Hamilton, Richard Jefferson, Shawn Marion, Mike Miller, Charlie Villanueva, Gerald Wallace.

Just about every perimeter star saw their career highs in ppg, FG%, or both. But all of this is just one massive coincidence, of course.


Me = Bringer of Facts

Posters like kuniva = still not living up to their promising expectations created in their early years

waiting for rebuttal

[aj1987]

Bunch or retarded BS
You do know that you could do the same shit for Kobe as well, right? A historic season during which LeBron lost to the Dwight led Magic in 6, in the ECSF. :roll:

Yeah, that's a historic season, all right.


AJ you continue to amaze with your stupidity.
Your retarded ass said KD has MVP's and he'll surpass Kobe within 8-9 years, when KD doesn't even come close to having the same accolades. Not just that, but you put Kobe and Dirk in the same tier... :roll:


Just get ready for your new avatar ole brownie, will make your shit posting more tolerable.
I don't squelch on bets, you autistic Kraut ****. As I said, you're making posters like warriorfan and Real14 look like geniuses with your retarded shit.

[ArbitraryWater]

Lmfao




Every "advanced" stat is what made it so "historic". This is the crap that sucks about advanced stats. No one cares for them when you're talking bball with the average Joe. You're not gonna win an argument with this as your defense. Even the link you posted doesn't mention Bron so how are we supposed to believe it is him? I do believe but that's not a credible source yet.


Come on, you're grasping at straws here. There's nothing there that you post that stands out as historic. He had a really really good season. But Curry had one better this season. Even the games are historic he had this season. What stands out in 09 for lebron?

who cares... Im not talking to an average joe. I dont think the average joe can be taken seriously when he talks about historic runs, right?

Those have to be examinated.... Win Shares and PER work damn near every time on a year to year basis for the playoffs... try it out yourself.

This is the weakest form of trying to refute anything.

[ArbitraryWater]

The amazing 2006:

Kobe Bryant averaged 35.4 points per game (career high), Allen Iverson averaged a career-high 33.0 points on a career-best 54.3 percent true shooting, averaging a career-high 9.6 FTAs per game, 7.4 assists; LeBron James averaged a career-high 31.4 points (his first 30 ppg season), averaging a career-high 10.30 FTAs per game; Gilbert Arenas averaged a career-high 29.3 points on a career-high 58.1 percent true shooting, averaging 10.0 FTAs per game; Paul Pierce averaged a career-high 26.8 points on a career-high 10.3 FTAs per game.

Kuniva be like: "coincedence"

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Why should I "rebut" that nonsense when more than a handful of posters have presented facts destroying your narrative, and the only replies you could muster, were text version reactions of the guy in your avy? :oldlol:

[warriorfan]

AutisticWater with another one

[aj1987]

The amazing 2006:

Kobe Bryant averaged 35.4 points per game (career high), Allen Iverson averaged a career-high 33.0 points on a career-best 54.3 percent true shooting, averaging a career-high 9.6 FTAs per game, 7.4 assists; LeBron James averaged a career-high 31.4 points (his first 30 ppg season), averaging a career-high 10.30 FTAs per game; Gilbert Arenas averaged a career-high 29.3 points on a career-high 58.1 percent true shooting, averaging 10.0 FTAs per game; Paul Pierce averaged a career-high 26.8 points on a career-high 10.3 FTAs per game.

Kuniva be like: "coincedence"
Kobe in '07 - 32 PPG on 58% TS.

AutisticWater be like: "imma ignore that doe"

[ArbitraryWater]

Kobe in '07 - 32 PPG on 58% TS.

AutisticWater be like: "imma ignore that doe"

Thanks for making my point, honey..

also what good does the next year do? The environment completely flipped by '07, right? :oldlol:

Who's gonna top this shit posting?

You guys are lucky I'm still acknowledging it and bringing the occasional banger.

[tpols]

cringe... wasn't that expected.

you kind of left out this though :oldlol:




waiting for rebuttal


Kobe had more 50 pt games in 2006 than the whole league combined ...


let that ether burn slow my friend

[SpaceJam]

AutisticWater is such a great name :oldlol:

[guy]

I get that Kobe has had some fortunate circumstances which have helped him a lot with his accomplishments. But dudes on here act like he still isn't one of the greatest, most skilled, most dominant players ever and those circumstances are the only reason he's as great as he is. Its moronic.

And I don't understand this crowning of Durant. He hasn't really done shit compared to a lot of great players. Its one thing to put Curry and Lebron in that light, but Durant? This premature crowning of players is really f*cking stupid.

[ArbitraryWater]

Kobe had more 50 pt games in 2006 than the whole league combined ...


let that ether burn slow my friend

I'd hope so.. he was by far the best volume scorer existing at the time, and at his peak.

How did that turn into one 30+ pt game in 7 playoff games though? Lol

[tpols]

I'd hope so.. he was by far the best volume scorer existing at the time, and at his peak.

How did that turn into one 30+ pt game in 7 playoff games though? Lol

you just wrote pauk length essays on why there was a small separation in scoring ability, and now when confronted w/ evidence "you hope he wouldve done that" because he was "by far the best scorer" ... hmm, sounds like youre contradicting yourself here, mate.

[Uncle Drew]

AutisticWater melting down in the NBA forum, AutisticWater melting down in OTC. Seek help.

[aj1987]

Thanks for making my point, honey..

also what good does the next year do? The environment completely flipped by '07, right?
Kobe Bryant in '03 with hand checking - 30 PPG on 55% TS 30/7/6/2/1. This includes a stretch during which he averaged 40/5/4/2/1 on 58% TS. 16 game stretch.


Who's gonna top this shit posting?
If you stop posting right now, that's like 30 fewer retarded posts a day. You'll just probably use one of your dozen alts though.


You guys are lucky I'm still acknowledging it and bringing the occasional banger.
If by banger you mean a completely retarded post, then true.

[ArbitraryWater]

you just wrote pauk length essays on why there was a small separation in scoring ability, and now when confronted w/ evidence "you hope he wouldve done that" because he was by far the best scorer ... hmm, sounds like youre contradicting yourself here, mate.

You realize youre cherry picking only the highs, right?

All those six 50 point games ended up to be 2 ppg higher than Iverson... on the same efficiency :lol

Iverson, a guy's game built on speed and youth, SUDDENLY, after declining the previous years, hits his career HIGH in ppg and fg% :lol

Arenas' ppg jumps from 25 to TWENTY NINE.... :wtf:

LeBron has his blowout career high..... in his third season....

Kuniva still like: coincedence doe

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

AutisticWater melting down in the NBA forum, AutisticWater melting down in OTC. Seek help.


Kobe Bryant in '03 with hand checking - 30 PPG on 55% TS 30/7/6/2/1. This includes a stretch during which he averaged 40/5/4/2/1 on 58% TS. 16 game stretch.


If you stop posting right now, that's like 30 fewer retarded posts a day. You'll just probably use one of your dozen alts though.


If by banger you mean a completely retarded post, then true.

Poor Arby. :( Dude is being bukkaked in own goddamned thread.

We still love you bro :cheers:

[aj1987]

You realize youre cherry picking only the highs, right?

All those six 50 point games ended up to be 2 ppg higher than Iverson... on the same efficiency :lol

Iverson, a guy's game built on speed and youth, SUDDENLY, after declining the previous years, hits his career HIGH in ppg and fg% :lol

Arenas' ppg jumps from 25 to TWENTY NINE.... :wtf:

LeBron has his blowout career high..... in his third season....

Kuniva still like: coincedence doe
So what you're saying is that LeBron would be dog shit pre rule change? Got it. :cheers:

[ArbitraryWater]

Kobe Bryant in '03 with hand checking - 30 PPG on 55% TS 30/7/6/2/1. This includes a stretch during which he averaged 40/5/4/2/1 on 58% TS. 16 game stretch.

Yup.. all-time great season. Not sure about historic, though. KG and Shaq were regarded as superior players, and Shaq literally has like 5 versions of himself which were better..

'09-'13 Bron won't be behind '03 Shaq/KG, thats for sure.

[ArbitraryWater]

Poor Arby. :( Dude is being bukkaked in own goddamned thread.

We still love you bro :cheers:

Bruh no harm done :cheers:

[tpols]

You realize youre cherry picking only the highs, right?

All those six 50 point games ended up to be 2 ppg higher than Iverson... on the same efficiency :lol

Iverson, a guy's game built on speed and youth, SUDDENLY, after declining the previous years, hits his career HIGH in ppg and fg% :lol

Arenas' ppg jumps from 25 to TWENTY NINE.... :wtf:

LeBron has his blowout career high..... in his third season....

Kuniva still like: coincedence doe


there have been many 30 pt scorers in the league history...

there have not been many times one guy had more big games than all his contemporaries combined.

Thats called making history, son.

[aj1987]

Yup.. all-time great season. Not sure about historic, though. KG and Shaq were regarded as superior players, and Shaq literally has like 5 versions of himself which were better..

'09-'13 Bron won't be behind '03 Shaq/KG, thats for sure.
tl;dr - You do not know the meaning of the word historic. Let me help you out:

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http://www.dreamenglish.com/2and3yearolds
http://www.english-4kids.com/nursery.html

Got those links from a simple Google search.


there have been many 30 pt scorers in the league history...

there have not been many times one guy had more big games than all his contemporaries combined.

Thats called making history, son.
tpols, what he's saying is that Kobe is a product of the rule change. If that's the case, LeBron owes his place in basketball thanks to the rule change. Dude would be historically bad in other eras. If he scored 36 PPG on 40% post rule change, I'd imagine that he'd be close to 36 PPG on 30% in the '04 or '03 seasons.

[ArbitraryWater]

there have been many 30 pt scorers in the league history...

there have not been many times one guy had more big games than all his contemporaries combined.

Thats called making history, son.

thats odd... because others had their large ppg coming from a more distributed, 30-40 pt game (in season highs) approach, but Kobe did it with more chucking/getting hot/50 pt games (again, "just 6"), its a historic season?

http://r28.imgfast.net/users/2813/22/97/24/smiles/2238782717.gif

[ArbitraryWater]

Im not saying he was a PRODUCT... but like others, he BENEFITED from the league wide defenses (or lack there of)....

its not a rule changing thing.. well, kind of, but only at the start of the rule change... you guys need to understand, I've been told to have a very keen eye :cheers: so to relieve you all, things did get better, late 00's.

[sportjames23]

Damn, these nigguhs runnin a train on Arbitrary. Somebody stop the damn match!

[tpols]

tpols, what he's saying is that Kobe is a product of the rule change. If that's the case, LeBron owes his place in basketball thanks to the rule change. Dude would be historically bad in other eras. If he scored 36 PPG on 40% post rule change, I'd imagine that he'd be close to 36 PPG on 30% in the '04 or '03 seasons.

Kobe's FtR didnt change at all w/ the new rule changes.. it actually went down, and he was getting more FT opportunity in other years.

Kobes higher output was a result of shaq leaving, having already been a capable 30 ppg scorer, only plausible he could score a few more ppg if you take a fellow 30 pt scorer off his team.


a lot of those other guys though like AI, Lebron, Wade, arenas etc all saw big increases in the rate at which they draw free throws.. the league made it very soft for slashers and penetrators, but Kobe was still doing a much higher % of his damage on jumpers than those guys.. his rate didnt increase like theres did.

[ArbitraryWater]

Kobe's FtR didnt change at all w/ the new rule changes.. it actually went down, and he was getting more FT opportunity in other years.

Kobes higher output was a result of shaq leaving, having already been a capable 30 ppg scorer, only plausible he could score a few more ppg if you take a fellow 30 pt scorer off his team.


a lot of those other guys though like AI, Lebron, Wade, arenas etc all saw big increases in the rate at which they draw free throws.. the league made it very soft for slashers and penetrators, but Kobe was still doing a much higher % of his damage on jumpers than those guys.. his rate didnt increase like theres did.

respect, thats the first, well thought out argument I've encountered....

Im not sure what him being a worse slasher than the other guys (Kobe being primarily a shooter), has to do with the state of the awful defenses, though?

But I can see how this way you could make the case he took less of an ADVANTAGE of it, cause in whatever situation he's in, hes taking the jump shot anyway.