Tyronn Lue: Lebron has had more help now than any other time in his career

[sammichoffate]

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/15542162/cleveland-cavaliers-coach-tyronn-lue-says-burden-placed-lebron-james-postseason-minimal

[K Xerxes]

Well then no excuses.

[sammichoffate]

Well then no excuses.I love how he shit talks the Miami teams, Wade should be out for blood today.

[JebronLames]

Water is wet

[Bankaii]

He's right.

This is the first year Lebron has had a great team AND a solid bench.

Hopefully everyone can stay healthy this time around.

[juju151111]

I always said that too. This Cavs team is good they just had shitty luck and chemistry problems. After the trades last year they were killing everyone, but irving got injured and Love. In terms of consistent scoring This has to be levron easier postseason.

[jimmy77x]

No more excuses. Most stacked team in the league with the highest payroll and gets to cake walk through the east.

[3ball]

Lue is only confirming what the stats already told us - Lebron isn't even leading his team in scoring!.. So it isn't some coincidence that Lue said this.

Btw, no all-time great led their team in scoring for every playoffs series of their careers - EXCEPT Jordan, who led his team by at least 10 ppg for every series.. Let that sink in - Jordan was on another level (edit: there were 2 series where he led his team by 7 ppg and 5 ppg).

In addition to Jordan's goat scoring load, he also led his team in passing - he led the Bulls in assist % for both (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11713121&postcount=49) 3-peats.. Jordan's goat scoring load, team-leading passing, and best-ever defense at his position is the greatest load ever carried - it equaled 6/6.

[k0kakw0rld]

No more excuses. Most stacked team in the league with the highest payroll and gets to cake walk through the east.
:whatever: He won twice already.

[K Xerxes]

Lue is only confirming what the stats already told us - Lebron isn't even leading his team in scoring!.. So it isn't some coincidence that Lue said this.

Btw, no all-time great led their team in scoring for every playoffs series of their careers - EXCEPT Jordan, who led his team by at least 10 ppg for every series.. Let that sink in - Jordan was on another level from all other players (edit: there were 2 series where he led his team by 7 ppg and 5 ppg).

In addition to Jordan's goat scoring load, he also led his team in passing - he led the Bulls in assist % for both (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11713121&postcount=49) 3-peats.. Jordan's goat scoring load, team-leading passing, and best-ever defense at his position is the greatest load ever carried - it equaled 6/6.

I've seen you post this multiple times. You could at least change your edit as you've known the 10ppg fact isn't true for weeks now...

[TheMarkMadsen]

He's right.

This is the first year Lebron has had a great team AND a solid bench.

Hopefully everyone can stay healthy this time around.

Were you not alive for 2011-2014?

[Bankaii]

Lue is only confirming what the stats already told us - Lebron isn't even leading his team in scoring!.. So it isn't some coincidence that Lue said this.

Btw, no all-time great led their team in scoring for every playoffs series of their careers - EXCEPT Jordan, who led his team by at least 10 ppg for every series.. Let that sink in - Jordan was on another level (edit: there were 2 series where he led his team by 7 ppg and 5 ppg).

In addition to Jordan's goat scoring load, he also led his team in passing - he led the Bulls in assist % for both (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11713121&postcount=49) 3-peats.. Jordan's goat scoring load, team-leading passing, and best-ever defense at his position is the greatest load ever carried - it equaled 6/6.
How long are you going to keep lying about this?
Your data has been proven wrong multiple times.

[jimmy77x]

:whatever: He won twice already.

What about the other 4 times he didn't win with a stacked team? full of excuses from losers like you, stfu.

[Bankaii]

Were you not alive for 2011-2014?
Wade and Bosh were shit in 2014.
Old man Mike Bibby and Joel Anthony STARTED in 2011.
Please tell me who made the bench stacked during those years.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Wade and Bosh were shit in 2014.
Old man Mike Bibby and Joel Anthony STARTED in 2011.
Please tell me who made the bench stacked during those years.


So you want us to believe that the 2012 & 2013 HEAT didn't have a "solid bench"

[3ball]

I've seen you post this multiple times. You could at least change your edit as you've known the 10ppg fact isn't true for weeks now...
:biggums: :wtf:

It's true - no all-time great led their team in scoring for every playoffs series of their careers - EXCEPT Jordan, who led his team by at least 10 ppg for every series.. Let that sink in - Jordan was on another level (edit: there was 1 series where Jordan led his team by 7 ppg, and another series by 5 ppg)

I'm about to make a thread showing every series
.

[Smoke117]

So you want us to believe that the 2012 & 2013 HEAT didn't have a "solid bench"

Besides Ray, the bench was mediocre in 2013.

[SamuraiSWISH]

I disagree.

Inferior defense. Inferior intelligence and battle tested experience. Less versatility. Those championship Heat teams would be a matchup problem for the dominant Warriors team of the past two seasons.

I'd go

2011 Heat
2012 Heat
2013 Heat (#2 before Wade injury)
2016 Cavs
2015 Cavs (pre Love/Kyrie injury)
2014 Heat
2010 Cavs
2009 Cavs
2008 Cavs
2007 Cavs
2006 Cavs
2005 Cavs
2004 Cavs

[Bankaii]

So you want us to believe that the 2012 & 2013 HEAT didn't have a "solid bench"
2012 Playoffs-
Haslem: 5 points on 46%
Anthony: 3 points on 59%
Miller: 5 points on 40%
Turiaf: 2 points 56%
Cole: 2 points on 32%
Jones: 3 points on 37%
Howard: 1 point on 29%
Pittman: 0 points.
Harris: 1 point on 50%

Heat Bench: 22 PPG on 44%
Lebron: 30 PPG on 50%

Mike Miller and Haslem were the only 2 decent contributions. I don't even have to do 2013 after seeing this.
Just stfu already.

[Young X]

Besides maybe 2011 I agree. I would mention 2012 but Bosh got injured and they almost lost 2 series because of it.

[TheImmortal]

Bosh is a real difference maker here.. Bosh instead of Love on the Cavaliers would be menacing. You get elite P&R defense, size and shooting/slashing ability.


Also as good as Kyrie has been.. Wade can be a great defender at times and he posed a bigger matchup problem.

[TheMarkMadsen]

2012 Playoffs-
Haslem: 5 points on 46%
Anthony: 3 points on 59%
Miller: 5 points on 40%
Turiaf: 2 points 56%
Cole: 2 points on 32%
Jones: 3 points on 37%
Howard: 1 point on 29%
Pittman: 0 points.
Harris: 1 point on 50%

Heat Bench: 22 PPG on 44%
Lebron: 30 PPG on 50%

Mike Miller and Haslem were the only 2 decent contributions. I don't even have to do 2013 after seeing this.
Just stfu already.

Why didn't you include Bosh or Battier?

That's intellectually dishonest as hell

Both guys played half of their games in the playoffs coming off the bench..

:wtf: :wtf:

[Bankaii]

Why didn't you include Bosh or Battier?

That's intellectually dishonest as hell

Both guys played half of their games in the playoffs coming off the bench..

:wtf: :wtf:
My god you have to twist the shit out of things to support your agenda.
Why would you add all but 3 players to the "bench". The Heat only started 3 players?:roll:
Bosh started 10 out of 14 games and Battier started 16 out of 23 games. 10/14 and 16/23 is half now?
They were starters. Just move on.

[TheMarkMadsen]

My god you have to twist the shit out of things to support your agenda.
Why would you add all but 3 players to the "bench". The Heat only started 3 players?:roll:
Bosh started 10 out of 14 games and Battier started 16 out of 23 games. 10/14 and 16/23 is half now?
They were starters. Just move on.


I think the fact that you are trying to tell people that the 2011-2014 heat didn't have a great supporting cast around Lebron is absolutely amazing.

[TheMarkMadsen]

You have Wade & Bosh + a bunch of 3 & D guys who fit perfectly around Lebron and you are trying to act like that isn't a great supporting cast?


:roll: :roll:

[Bankaii]

I think the fact that you are trying to tell people that the 2011-2014 heat didn't have a great supporting cast around Lebron is absolutely amazing.
I think the fact that you backtrack every time you're proven wrong is hilarious.
Still waiting on that proof of how a team with Anthony and Bibby starting is stacked.

[TheMarkMadsen]

I think the fact that you backtrack every time you're proven wrong is hilarious.
Still waiting on that proof of how a team with Anthony and Bibby starting is stacked.


The 2011-2014 heat had a great supporting cast around Lebron. You're not fooling anybody

[Bankaii]

The 2011-2014 heat had a great supporting cast around Lebron. You're not fooling anybody
As per usual, you're doing nothing but making baseless claims to reach your anti-Lebron quota.
If the Heat bench was so stacked, provide some freaking evidence, anything.

And why do you keep saying "anybody"? We're the only two talking schizophrenic dumbass.

[TheMarkMadsen]

As per usual, you're doing nothing but making baseless claims to reach your anti-Lebron quota.
If the Heat bench was so stacked, provide some freaking evidence, anything.

And why do you keep saying "anybody"? We're the only two talking schizophrenic dumbass.


You keep saying stacked, yet the original claim that I disagreed with was when you said they weren't solid.

The heat had numerous years with a solid bench and then you add in Wade, Bosh, and 3 & D guys everywhere else and you have a great supporting cast.

[TheMarkMadsen]

And why do you keep saying "anybody"? We're the only two talking schizophrenic dumbass.


As in you're not fooling anybody who might read the thread, anybody in the thread, anybody on ish, anybody watching basketball those years.

Did you really need to ask that? :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Bankaii]

You keep saying stacked, yet the original claim that I disagreed with was when you said they weren't solid.

The heat had numerous years with a solid bench and then you add in Wade, Bosh, and 3 & D guys everywhere else and you have a great supporting cast.
Again, the Heat in 2011 was the Big 3, that's it. Chalmers was ok.
2012 was their best bench of the run, and I just showed that they were mediocre outside of Miller and Haslem, whom had to be spoon fed baskets.
A Heatbfam ITT already said in 2013 the bench was mediocre outside of Ray.
2014 Heat as a whole were lackluster, including Wade and Bosh.

Again, I've provided support, you just keep spamming your baseless claims.

[Just2McFly]

Mark Madsen is a damn fool.

[guy]

There should be a whole forum dedicated to the excuses made for Lebron.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Ok

So the 2011-2014 heat never had a great supporting cast around Lebron at any time.

Doe ray Lebron

I'm not going to argue with this stupidity. These HEAT teams were the most versatile teams in the league and had the most talent in their conference on their team every single season

Yet here we are, 2 years removed and Lebron stans want to act like they weren't a great team with a great supporting cast.

:roll: :roll:

this is amazing

[jimmy77x]

There should be a whole forum dedicated to the excuses made for Lebron.

There is, its here http://goo.gl/gN7Zhu

[34-24 Footwork]

Lol. Aw man. This is hilarious. Who will these vultures blame after they get beat this year?

This thread will be bumped ruthlessly in a month.

[oh the horror]

Ok

So the 2011-2014 heat never had a great supporting cast around Lebron at any time.

Doe ray Lebron

I'm not going to argue with this stupidity. These HEAT teams were the most versatile teams in the league and had the most talent in their conference on their team every single season

Yet here we are, 2 years removed and Lebron stans want to act like they weren't a great team with a great supporting cast.

:roll: :roll:

this is amazing



And if they lose again you'll hear more excuses.




Let's not get it twisted. When that Heat team formed these f*ggots were on here flexing and singing along with the whole idea that team would win 5-8 titles in a row.

They were also singing the praises of past Cavs teams when they were clocking multiple 60 win seasons.

[Disaprine]

shocking news! :eek:

[Bigsmoke]

Wade just wasn't healthy...and i don't know what happened to bosh

2013 had Allen, birdman, Chalmers, Cole, Battier, miller and a little bit left of Udonis Haslem. That team was more talented if that roster was completely healthy and playing to their capabilities

[guy]

Has there ever been a player with more excuses? I can't think of any.

[34-24 Footwork]

Wade just wasn't healthy...and i don't know what happened to bosh

2013 had Allen, birdman, Chalmers, Cole, Battier, miller and a little bit left of Udonis Haslem. That team was more talented if that roster was completely healthy and playing to their capabilities

Lol!!! Spurs beat the Heat by the widest margin in finals history. Wade got benched while Lebron stayed on the court to collect garbage stats.

No help though.

[Bigsmoke]

Lol!!! Spurs beat the Heat by the widest margin in finals history. Wade got benched while Lebron stayed on the court to collect garbage stats.

No help though.

The heat won that year.

2013 heat > 2014 one.

Wade was better, Allen was better, and Udonis Haslem and Battier were useless bythen

[PsychoBe]

bankaii may be the worst poster on ish and that's saying a lot

[r0drig0lac]

no excu.... whatever

[Optimus Prime]

LeBron needs more help.

No excuses.

Fit out not in.

This thread is a joke.

What's worse...LeBeta himself or his ignorant "fans"?

:kobe:

[Relinquish]

I love how he shit talks the Miami teams, Wade should be out for blood today.

13 shots in a road game 7 :eek:

Wade out for blood indeed :bowdown:

[Real14]

bankaii may be the worst poster on ish and that's saying a lot
He's definitely top 10 worst.

[Bankaii]

Ok

So the 2011-2014 heat never had a great supporting cast around Lebron at any time.

Doe ray Lebron

I'm not going to argue with this stupidity. These HEAT teams were the most versatile teams in the league and had the most talent in their conference on their team every single season

Yet here we are, 2 years removed and Lebron stans want to act like they weren't a great team with a great supporting cast.

:roll: :roll:

this is amazing
You are such a child. Can you read? I said the heat had a great starting team in my first post.

He's right.

This is the first year Lebron has had a great team AND a solid bench.

Hopefully everyone can stay healthy this time around.

All these Kobetards want to cry about being stacked yet I have not seen one poster in this thread prove that the bench from 2011-14 was anything more than average.

[Bankaii]

bankaii may be the worst poster on ish and that's saying a lot
You username alone shows how dumb you are.
Prove me wrong.


He's definitely top 10 worst.
11,000 posts in 2 years and all of them about Lebron or the shitty Knicks, get a life ghetto trash.

[moongaze]

Hmm. I'm still split on whether this team is on the level of last years squad.

[FLDFSU]

The 2011-2014 heat had a great supporting cast around Lebron. You're not fooling anybody

The 2014 Heat was so stacked that the very next season they missed the playoffs entire despite playing in the "worst conference of all time."

[Real14]

You username alone shows how dumb you are.
Prove me wrong.


11,000 posts in 2 years and all of them about Lebron or the shitty Knicks, get a life ghetto trash.
You gotta be jaqueer talking like that.

[moongaze]

Bankaii makes some good posts. Def far from top 10 worst. There's so many trolls on here noway he's top 10 worst

[DoctorP]

stacked confirmed.

[Born Sinner]

Wade and Bosh were shit in 2014.
Old man Mike Bibby and Joel Anthony STARTED in 2011.
Please tell me who made the bench stacked during those years.
Lebron doesnt know you exist :roll:

[Bankaii]

The 2014 Heat was so stacked that the very next season they missed the playoffs entire despite playing in the "worst conference of all time."
He's just going to change the narrative.
How can you try to change history 2 years after it just happened:oldlol:

[Bankaii]

Bankaii makes some good posts. Def far from top 10 worst. There's so many trolls on here noway he's top 10 worst
Thanks.

I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong.
But don't just say "stacked" with no proof of it whatsoever and then say I'm a bad poster.

[sammichoffate]

13 shots in a road game 7 :eek:

Wade out for blood indeed :bowdown:He melted down pretty hard, but they just got outplayed straight up.

[knicksman]

Bran stans have always been dumb. Theres a reason why theyre 2/6:lol

[FLDFSU]

He's just going to change the narrative.
How can you try to change history 2 years after it just happened:oldlol:

It doesn't make any fkn sense. In one breath the 2014 Heat is the most stacked team of all time and play in the worst conference of all time. And Lebron is a cancer that stunts the growth of his teammates.

In the very next breath the 2015 Heat (who basically returned much of the same roster) added Deng, Whiteside, and Dragic...loses the cancer that is Lebron...yet misses the playoffs in the worst conference of all time...and somehow that doesn't prove anything.

The most stacked team of all time...playing in the worst conference of all time...just went one season where we totally missed the playoffs and the next season where we barely got out of the 1st round.

We just witnessed a season where cancer Lebron took a Cavs team missing Irving and Love through the East playoffs and within two games of winning the Finals. Yet a team of Wade, Bosh, Deng, Whiteside, Dragic, Johnson, and Coach Spo can barely get passed the 1st round in said terrible conference.

ISH is either filled with moronic trolls or just moronic or both...

[knicksman]

It doesn't make any fkn sense. In one breath the 2014 Heat is the most stacked team of all time and play in the worst conference of all time. And Lebron is a cancer that stunts the growth of his teammates.

In the very next breath the 2015 Heat (who basically returned much of the same roster) added Deng, Whiteside, and Dragic...loses the cancer that is Lebron...yet misses the playoffs in the worst conference of all time...and somehow that doesn't prove anything.

The most stacked team of all time...playing in the worst conference of all time...just went one season where we totally missed the playoffs and the next season where we barely got out of the 1st round.

We just witnessed a season where cancer Lebron took a Cavs team missing Irving and Love through the East playoffs and within two games of winning the Finals. Yet a team of Wade, Bosh, Deng, Whiteside, Dragic, Johnson, and Coach Spo can barely get passed the 1st round in said terrible conference.

ISH is either filled with moronic trolls or just moronic or both...

theyre the 3rd seed this season when healthy:confusedshrug: . And almost got to the conference finals

[Kingwillball]

Those heat teams were good especially starting 5 but this cavs team is deepest lebron has played on top to bottom with more shooting across the board by far.

[FLDFSU]

theyre the 3rd seed this season when healthy:confusedshrug: . And almost got to the conference finals

According to ISH, a relatively healthy Wade, Deng, Johnson, and Dragic should be more than enough to win the East.

Cleveland has cancer Lebron who stunts the growth of his team so the Heat should be a lock for the Finals...

In reality cancer Lebron happens to be going to this 6th straight conference finals...meanwhile...Wade (the true leader of the Heat 2011-2014) is one game from not winning a playoff series in two years in said terrible conference...

[knicksman]

According to ISH, a relatively healthy Wade, Deng, Johnson, and Dragic should be more than enough to win the East.

Cleveland has cancer Lebron who stunts the growth of his team so the Heat should be a lock for the Finals...

In reality cancer Lebron happens to be going to this 6th straight conference finals...meanwhile...Wade (the true leader of the Heat 2011-2014) is one game from not winning a playoff series in two years in said terrible conference...

Bran when absent makes the team go on a losing streak because hes the system instead of just being part of the system. But give them time to adjust and thats where their potential realize. Just like when westbrook was out in 2013 playoffs, okc were bad in the playoffs. But the next season when they finally adjusted, they were much better without him.

[Bankaii]

Bran when absent makes the team go on a losing streak because hes the system instead of just being part of the system. But give them time to adjust and thats where their potential realize. Just like when westbrook was out in 2013 playoffs, okc were bad in the playoffs. But the next season when they finally adjusted, they were much better without him.
Wtf are you talking about?

The Heat had no offensive system. It was Lebron and Wade creating for the rest of the team.
Even now, if you watch the games it's Wade creating for the rest of the team.

They've had 2 years in the "worst conference of all time" with a fully healthy team except for Bosh and they still didn't make the ECF.
With Lebron they make 4 straight Finals and win 2 of them.
Without Lebron they miss the playoffs and then barely get past the 1st round.
Lebron is a "cancer" though.

Without Westbrook they lost 4-1 to the Grizzlies in 2013.
When he returned they beat the Grizzlies the very next year.

Seriously how dumb are you?

[knicksman]

Wtf are you talking about?

The Heat had no offensive system. It was Lebron and Wade creating for the rest of the team.
Even now, if you watch the games it's Wade creating for the rest of the team.

They've had 2 years in the "worst conference of all time" with a fully healthy team except for Bosh and they still didn't make the ECF.
With Lebron they make 4 straight Finals and win 2 of them.
Without Lebron they miss the playoffs and then barely get past the 1st round.
Lebron is a "cancer" though.

Without Westbrook they lost 4-1 to the Grizzlies in 2013.
When he returned they beat the Grizzlies the very next year.

Seriously how dumb are you?

Dumb is the one who thinks heat right now with prime wade wouldnt make it to the ecf.

Again no context because youre dumb. They lost 4-1 because it takes time to adjust. They were even losing during the start of the season. But once they finally adjusted, they went on a run with durant posting historic numbers. When westbrook came back? Back to number 2 and they wouldve lost in the 1st round against grizzlies if not for the refs.

In the end, players like oscar, iverson, archibald are considered low impact players and bran plays the same as them thats why with his height, he doesnt produce the same rings as magic/jordan. Kobe even produced the same with lesser teammates and 3 more with equivalent teammates. Thats because he wants to be the system instead of being part the system. Coz system=stats. Stats first before rings thus 2/6.

[Hey Yo]

Wtf are you talking about?

Seriously how dumb are you?
He's dumber than this dude.


http://i.imgur.com/mzybgpp.gif

[pauk]

Offensively maybe, he is using his teammates very well & they complement each other.

Defensively no.

[pauk]

Well then no excuses.

While somebody gives an opinion of Lebron arguably having the most help offensively than ever before Curry still has not just more help than Lebron ever had & more help than Curry will ever have in his life but also most help than almost any player before... not just offensively, but defensively aswell.... and his team will have HCA... and they are even better than last year...

I to had the best help offensively i ever had before in my pickup team just yesterday.... that doesnt mean its enough to take down a historic NBA team... :P

[Showtime2001]

bankaii may be the worst poster on ish and that's saying a lot
All he does is label his agenda driven garbage as "facts" and anyone who doesn't agree with him is a "Kobetard."

Typical delusional Bran fanboy.

[pauk]

In the end, players like oscar, iverson, archibald are considered low impact players and bran plays the same as them thats why with his height, he doesnt produce the same rings as magic/jordan. Kobe even produced the same with lesser teammates and 3 more with equivalent teammates. Thats because he wants to be the system instead of being part the system. Coz system=stats. Stats first before rings thus 2/6.

Considering how far he took / how immediately Lebron made his teams successful based on what he had to work with around him (and work against) and how epicly low they immediately fell down the very moment he didnt play for them makes his impact unfortunately historic... in his shoes/situation not many did or could have done whatever he did with those casts he had and many equivalent superstars did play sometimes with bad casts (even Jordan in the 80s), they never did go that far based on that context...

This makes Lebrons impact level historic... and makes your opinion moronic or simply the typical opinion of a Lebron hating kiddie... but hey there is no difference between those two anyways as both ignore objectivity, context, ration and just simply LOGIC...

[Bankaii]

All he does is label his agenda driven garbage as "facts" and anyone who doesn't agree with him is a "Kobetard."

Typical delusional Bran fanboy.
In what world are Finals stats not considered facts?:roll:

[knicksman]

Considering how far he took / how immediately Lebron made his teams successful based on what he had to work with around him (and work against) and how epicly low they immediately fell down the very moment he didnt play for them makes his impact unfortunately historic... in his shoes/situation not many did or could have done whatever he did with those casts he had and many equivalent superstars did play sometimes with bad casts (even Jordan in the 80s), they never did go that far based on that context...

Yet heat right now almost made it to the conference finals with past prime wade.

And the reason why jordans teams were shit in the 80s because he was playing lebron ball.:confusedshrug: In fact they were trajectoring upward then during in their historic 32-8-8, they won less than the season before. Then when he finally stopped playing lebron ball, they won a championship. And they were at their best when jordan played off-ball. 72 and 69 wins.


This makes Lebrons impact level historic... and makes your opinion moronic or simply the typical opinion of a Lebron hating kiddie... but hey there is no difference between those two anyways as both ignore objectivity, context, ration and just simply LOGIC...


his impact is historic but to the expense of his teammates. His net impact(his impact-the reduction of impact from his teammates) is not historic. Thats what you bran stans dont understand. He may have won the battle but lost the war. You guys are superficial. You only judge a book by its cover aka statnerds. You guys dont know shit

[AirBonner]

Yet heat right now almost made it to the conference finals with past prime wade.

And the reason why jordans teams were shit in the 80s because he was playing lebron ball.:confusedshrug: In fact they were trajectoring upward then during in their historic 32-8-8, they won less than the season before. Then when he finally stopped playing lebron ball, they won a championship. And they were at their best when jordan played off-ball. 72 and 69 wins.



his impact is historic but to the expense of his teammates. His net impact(his impact-the reduction of impact from his teammates) is not historic. Thats what you bran stans dont understand. He may have won the battle but lost the war. You guys are superficial. You only judge a book by its cover aka statnerds. You guys dont know shit
you are stupid as fvck :facepalm JR smith is the best he has ever been BECAUSE of Lebron. Love and Kyrie are lottery leaders without Lebron.

[pauk]

Knicksman... please...

Look, in 2015 Finals the Cavs starting 5 consisted of only Lebron, Delavedova, Smith, Thompson, Mozgov.... he is still the only player in NBA history who would get flak for losing with that team against those opponents, against those odds.... you know why? Crazy expectations... again, why? Well, im pretty sure its not because he is known as a "low impact" player, then nobody would care (and nobody would be threatened-insecure).... but the opposite... everybody knows how great/impactful Lebron is, for many years everybody have seen how far he went with so little, over and over and over, everybody has seen the befores & afters aswell.... everybody (even the haters) knew if he had just a liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiittle bit of help it felt like it could be the difference between a Finals loss & a Championship.... no matter who he was facing, no matter the odds.... haters know this, they care, its pure fear & loathing of him surpassing just ANY damn favorite player of yours in NBA history if really had HELP like they did...

They know, YOU know how great Lebron is.... thats why you care... thats why he NEVER gets a pass... not even if he won a championship as Curry did last year (0 fmvp votes) who not only got a pass for it but also apparently desperately everybody wants to call him the best player in the NBA for.... no, in his situation Lebron would be talked about how that championship hurt his legacy instead, how he is a sidekick when it matters and if he maybe is a top 20 player in the league......

[FLDFSU]

Knicksman... please...

Look, in 2015 Finals the Cavs starting 5 consisted of only Lebron, Delavedova, Smith, Thompson, Mozgov.... he is still the only player in NBA history who would get flak for losing with that team against those opponents, against those odds.... you know why? Crazy expectations... again, why? Well, im pretty sure its not because he is known as a "low impact" player, then nobody would care (and nobody would be threatened-insecure).... but the opposite... everybody knows how great/impactful Lebron is, for many years everybody have seen how far he went with so little, over and over and over, everybody has seen the befores & afters aswell.... everybody (even the haters) knew if he had just a liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiittle bit of help it felt like it could be the difference between a Finals loss & a Championship.... no matter who he was facing, no matter the odds.... haters know this, they care, its pure fear & loathing of him surpassing just ANY damn favorite player of yours in NBA history if really had HELP like they did...

They know, YOU know how great Lebron is.... thats why you care... thats why he NEVER gets a pass... not even if he won a championship as Curry did last year (0 fmvp votes) who not only got a pass for it but also apparently desperately everybody wants to call him the best player in the NBA for.... no, in his situation Lebron would be talked about how that championship hurt his legacy instead, how he is a sidekick when it matters and if he maybe is a top 20 player in the league......

It is crazy the expectations that goes along with James by those who claim James isn't worthy.

ISH literally expected Lebron James to defeat the Boston Celtics with Allen, Garnett, Pierce, and Rondo...with Mo Williams. The same Boston team that was one Garnett injury and one quarter from being 3x NBA champions...

The same Boston team...if not for the formation of the Miami Heat...would probably have gotten to 5 straight NBA Finals...But that is the team that ISH expected Lebron to single handily defeat.

The only other person who ISH would have such expectations would be Jordan.

[knicksman]

Knicksman... please...

Look, in 2015 Finals the Cavs starting 5 consisted of only Lebron, Delavedova, Smith, Thompson, Mozgov.... he is still the only player in NBA history who would get flak for losing with that team against those opponents, against those odds.... you know why? Crazy expectations... again, why? Well, im pretty sure its not because he is known as a "low impact" player, then nobody would care (and nobody would be threatened-insecure).... but the opposite... everybody knows how great/impactful Lebron is, for many years everybody have seen how far he went with so little, over and over and over, everybody has seen the befores & afters aswell.... everybody (even the haters) knew if he had just a liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiittle bit of help it felt like it could be the difference between a Finals loss & a Championship.... no matter who he was facing, no matter the odds.... haters know this, they care, its pure fear & loathing of him surpassing just ANY damn favorite player of yours in NBA history if really had HELP like they did...

They know, YOU know how great Lebron is.... thats why you care... thats why he NEVER gets a pass... not even if he won a championship as Curry did last year (0 fmvp votes) who not only got a pass for it but also apparently desperately everybody wants to call him the best player in the NBA for.... no, in his situation Lebron would be talked about how that championship hurt his legacy instead, how he is a sidekick when it matters and if he maybe is a top 20 player in the league......

Lebron had great help in miami. The team almost got into the ecf. Please stop with this just little bit of help. The guy fell short. He cant score when it matters just like wilt. Thats the real reason. Hes all bark and no bite. As long as he shrinks in the clutch, he will keep on losing. He can only win with luck. And too bad, curry came so he wont be winning anytime soon.

[Lebronxrings]

Lebron had great help in miami. The team almost got into the ecf. Please stop with this just little bit of help. The guy fell short. He cant score when it matters just like wilt. Thats the real reason. Hes all bark and no bite. As long as he shrinks in the clutch, he will keep on losing. He can only win with luck. And too bad, curry came so he wont be winning anytime soon.
what is this great help you speak of? Wade was bad, bosh was average to below average, and everyone else was just a role player. The only player who was actually above average was battier.

[MiseryCityTexas]

He's right.

This is the first year Lebron has had a great team AND a solid bench.

Hopefully everyone can stay healthy this time around.

Heat teams were better.

[comerb]

He isn't wrong. Cleveland is extremely pretty stacked. This year they are healthy and it seems like they've pulled their shit together and kicked it up a gear.

No excuses, I'm looking forward to the Finals.