Is 2009 Wade overrated on defense? ISBDB

[Im Still Ballin]

Dwyane for his career boasts a 0.14 ISBDB

[Nilocon165]

:roll:

[TommyGriffin]

The math checks out.

[plowking]

The only year his defense was an issue was 2011. Dude would sulk up the offensive end when he didn't get a foul and wouldn't run back.

He was all time great in 2009. Says something when your 6'4 guard is your defensive anchor and best rim protector.

[Im Still Ballin]

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[Im Still Ballin]

Other notable defenders on the 2009 Miami Heat

Shawn Marion: 0.15 ISBDB™

Joel Anthony: 0.13 ISBDB™

Jermaine O'Neal: 0.11 ISBDB™

[Smoke117]

[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin]Dwyane for his career boasts a 0.14 ISBDB

[Im Still Ballin]

You're an idiot...you can't just use defensive rating on its own...a players defensive rating is directly influenced by the teammates he plays with. The heats defensive performance was better in 2010 and 2012 because Wade's teammates were better defensively...it's not rocket science.
Defensive Rating is not used in the formula equation

[Im Still Ballin]

ISBDB™V2.0 Formula Equation testing;

Dwyane Wade 2009: 0.14 ISBDB™ x (k x 0.1) = ISBDB™V2.0

Dwyane Wade 2009: 0.34 ISBDB™V2.0

ISBDB™V2.0 Formula Equation testing;

Dwyane Wade 2012: 0.18 ISBDB™ x (k x 0.1) = ISBDB™V2.0

Dwyane Wade 2012: 0.36 ISBDB™V2.0

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Trying out the new updated formula equation for Dwyane.. Improvements for a more individual specificity.

[scuzzy]

Isbdb >>> Per

[aj1987]

I've been doing an advanced version, which is actually vastly superior to your ISBDB. That ultra advanced metric indicated that LeBron, for the majority of his career, has been a net negative on defense. On par with the Calderon's, Fredette's, and Nash's.

However, the same ultra advanced stat indicated that Wade was one of the best defenders in the league in '05, '06, '07 (pre-injury), '09, '10, '12, and '13 (RS). :cheers:

[Im Still Ballin]

I've been doing an advanced version, which is actually vastly superior to your ISBDB. That ultra advanced metric indicated that LeBron, for the majority of his career, has been a net negative on defense. On par with the Calderon's, Fredette's, and Nash's.

However, the same ultra advanced stat indicated that Wade was one of the best defenders in the league in '05, '06, '07 (pre-injury), '09, '10, '12, and '13 (RS). :cheers:
I think you're lying

Show me your formula

[Im Still Ballin]

The fact is.. Just about every advanced defensive metric says Dwyane isn't as good as people think he is

[Disaprine]

ISBDB? what the hell are you bran stans on. :roll:

[DingDengDong]

What is the ISBDB formula?

[Im Still Ballin]

ISBDB? what the hell are you bran stans on. :roll:
Educate yourself

You can find my research and work here: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=406966

[aj1987]

I think you're lying

Show me your formula
It's extremely complicated. Not trying to be rude, but I doubt you'd understand it. That and I don't want to reveal it just yet.

[Im Still Ballin]

LeBron career average
0.34 ISBDB™V2.0

Wade career average
0.25 ISBDB™V2.0

Kobe career average
0.04 ISBDB™V2.0

Jordan career average
0.27 ISBDB™V2.0

[Im Still Ballin]

It's extremely complicated. Not trying to be rude, but I doubt you'd understand it. That and I don't want to reveal it just yet.
Try contributing something to this forum for once

You make the content creators like myself look bad

[aj1987]

Try contributing something to this forum for once

You make the content creators like myself look bad
Contribute what? Your formula is completely flawed and idiotic. You should try posting stuff that is not absolutely moronic.

[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin]LeBron career average
0.34 ISBDB

[Trollsmasher]

Contribute what? Your formula is completely flawed and idiotic. You should try posting stuff that is not absolutely moronic.


LeBron with a better career average than MJ? :roll: :roll:
not surprising

Jordan was an overrated defender in an already poor defensive era

[Im Still Ballin]

Contribute what? Your formula is completely flawed and idiotic. You should try posting stuff that is not absolutely moronic.


LeBron with a better career average than MJ? :roll: :roll:
Don't get upset just because you don't understand something

You'll find LeBron has advanced defensive metrics that rival the best

I'm surprised you of all people are surprised by this

I suggest you start providing something for this forum, instead of just whinging 99% of the time...

That way you can be a featured author in the InsideHoops Compendium.

[aj1987]

Don't get upset just because you don't understand something
I'm not upset. I just call out retarded bullshit when I see it.


I suggest you start providing something for this forum, instead of just whinging 99% of the time...
:oldlol:

I did. Your tiny mind obviously can't comprehend it.

[warriorfan]

AJ doesn't understand the calculations?

I thought indians were good at math...

[aj1987]

AJ doesn't understand the calculations?

I thought indians were good at math...
I am, kid. You see the problem now?

[GrapeApe]

I have no clue what that stat is, but not everything can be quantified, especially defense. If anything, Wade's defense in 2009 was underrated. How many 6'4 players had to be a rim protector along with being a lock down perimeter defender? What Wade did that season is unprecedented for a player his size. Opponents even talked about how he would deter penetrations when he was near the rim. He was literally a feared shot blocker, and he routinely sent back 7 footers. No 6'4 player has ever routinely blocked big men, except for Wade.

In terms of his man defense, he guarded 1-3 at an elite level and his crunch-time defense was as good as it gets. Best combination of quickness, length, strength, and instincts of any guard. He was also a terror in the passing lanes and the 2nd best ball-thief in the league. I watched every Heat game that season, and as great as Wade was offensively, his defense was as dominant as any perimeter player I've ever seen.

[VengefulAngel]

I have no clue what that stat is, but not everything can be quantified, especially defense. If anything, Wade's defense in 2009 was underrated. How many 6'4 players had to be a rim protector along with being a lock down perimeter defender? What Wade did that season is unprecedented for a player his size. Opponents even talked about how he would deter penetrations when he was near the rim. He was literally a feared shot blocker, and he routinely sent back 7 footers. No 6'4 player has ever routinely blocked big men, except for Wade.

In terms of his man defense, he guarded 1-3 at an elite level and his crunch-time defense was as good as it gets. Best combination of quickness, length, strength, and instincts of any guard. He was also a terror in the passing lanes and the 2nd best ball-thief in the league. I watched every Heat game that season, and as great as Wade was offensively, his defense was as dominant as any perimeter player I've ever seen.

It isn't a stat, he's made it up and it's the most ridiculous thing on this shitty site.

[ImKobe]

Kobe is the GOAT defender according to the newest defensive analytics. PM me for more specific info.

[Smoke117]

Kobe is the GOAT defender according to the newest defensive analytics. PM me for more specific info.

The more specific info: Because we kobe stans say so

[ImKobe]

The more specific info: Because we kobe stans say so

Kobe has generated more defensive rebounds than any other NBA player in NBA history. He's simply the GOAT defender off that statistic alone. Prove me wrong. :rolleyes:

[ArbitraryWater]

I have no clue what that stat is, but not everything can be quantified, especially defense. If anything, Wade's defense in 2009 was underrated. How many 6'4 players had to be a rim protector along with being a lock down perimeter defender? What Wade did that season is unprecedented for a player his size. Opponents even talked about how he would deter penetrations when he was near the rim. He was literally a feared shot blocker, and he routinely sent back 7 footers. No 6'4 player has ever routinely blocked big men, except for Wade.

In terms of his man defense, he guarded 1-3 at an elite level and his crunch-time defense was as good as it gets. Best combination of quickness, length, strength, and instincts of any guard. He was also a terror in the passing lanes and the 2nd best ball-thief in the league. I watched every Heat game that season, and as great as Wade was offensively, his defense was as dominant as any perimeter player I've ever seen.


I'm split over '09 Wade/'14 KD/'16 Curry...

super close but I think I'd have to go

'16 Curry
'14 Durant
'09 Wade

Nothing against Wade.. its just so close, and I could probably be swayed for him over KD.

[aj1987]

I'm split over '09 Wade/'14 KD/'16 Curry...

super close but I think I'd have to go

'16 Curry
'14 Durant
'09 Wade

Nothing against Wade.. its just so close, and I could probably be swayed for him over KD.
Honest question. What if the '09 Wade had probably the 2nd greatest 3pt shooter and elite perimeter defender, a DPOY level PF who's also an elite passer, an elite defensive center, an elite defensive SG/SF off the bench, and a bunch of elite 3pt shooters and role-players? That team would quite possibly be among the greatest defensive teams.

[Im Still Ballin]

Kobe is the GOAT defender according to the newest defensive analytics. PM me for more specific info.
LeBron career average
0.34 ISBDB

[nathanjizzle]

2 plus 2 equals five!