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Im Still Ballin
05-17-2016, 01:04 AM
The recipe to beat OKC revolves around doing four things;

1. Neutralizing their biggest weapon #1: Stephen Curry
- Forcing Curry to become an inside the arc 2pt scorer... Relentless defense on the perimeter with a hand always up... Trapping hard to force his hand, make him become a passer which exposes his turnover prone flaw from overzealous passes/flashy passes... Fast rotating athletic defense that can cover the open man caused by hard traps on Curry... He's an all time great player, he'll get points on the board... Just have to make them well earned.

2. Neutralizing their biggest weapon #2: Transition Play (The Lethal 3pt On The Fastbreak)
- This is a matter of slowing down the tempo of the game. Starts on your offensive end. This is what Cleveland did last year, and what OKC did tonight... Using the shot clock... Being specific and attentive to attacking the offensive glass, and running back to defend

3. Taking Advantage of Draymond at Center: Bigmen
- This means taking advantage in a multitude of ways... On the offensive glass... Mismatch scoring opportunity... Mismatch through set play (Example: High PnR's)... Using mismatches NOT only for individual scoring, but TEAM scoring. This is what LeBron did so well in the finals. He's a great TEAM post up/Isolation player if that makes sense to you. Willing passer to the open man, good ball protection, able to read the defense, knowing what to do...

4. Make Curry Work on Defense:
- This isn't as important as the former points, but we all know what fatigue does to a shooter... Work him through physical screens, force him to play attentive defense, get him into foul trouble.. Make him sweat.. Make him earn those bench breaks

So how did OKC do it tonight?

1. They trapped him hard, and contained the rest with quality defensive rotation. He was turnover prone, throwing errant passes. He was still able to hit the scoreboard and punish from three... But those were well earned shots from tough defense. Curry didn't finish well... They did their best to make him a 2pt scorer..

2. In the first half they were playing to GSW's style, free flowing, transition heavy ball. This is what you MUST avoid. Their ability to hit transition threes is their deadliest weapon outside of Curry... Those big scoring swings/bursts almost ALWAYS involve the transition 3. In the second half, OKC brought down the tempo, and ran some more simpler sets that didn't risk turnovers potentially leading to transition opportunities. The much maligned OKC "Iso ball" play style, with KD and Westbrook taking turns, but more integrated with some PnR bigman action and safe ball movment. This ties in to the next point about taking advantage of the small ball

3. Kanter and Adams... Rebounding is very much an effort thing and the effort wasn't there in the 1st half. Billy Donovan stuck to his guns, and got his towers motivated. More intensity on the boards, integrated with a slower, more simplistic 90's style set plays (Single high Screen and rolls with bigs... Post ups... Mismatch targeting)... They fed the mismatch, got open shots, but also forced switches to get mismatches for KD and Westbrook... That mismatch drive and kick half court offense... Throw in the occasional post up for a Kanter or Adams.... The use of the bigman mismatch to not only score and get open shots, but create mismatches for their star players

4. Strategic Offensive Rebounding... The last part to slowing the pace and neutralizing their transition play. Knowing who crashes the offensive glass, and who runs back on defense to ensure no transition/outlet play. No point having 4 guys going for the offensive rebound.. Kanter and Adams were able to hit the glass at the right times, while everyone else got back on defense. Hard working, consistent bigs are vital. Simple fundamentals.

Im Still Ballin
05-17-2016, 01:04 AM
Much of what takes GSW collectively as a group from good to great scoring wise, is the transition play, particularly the transition 3. I think that Cleveland has the right tools to also challenge them like OKC is doing. Even more so. Cleveland might collectively be a better 3pt shooting team (as of late)... And they don't rely AS much as GSW does on the transition long ball. Cleveland are masters of 3pt shots in the half court... The LeBron drive and kick game.

What they lacked last year in the finals was other scoring power (Kyrie and Love), and the depth it provides for fresh legs. I think Channing Frye could be the X factor for Cleveland. He's proven to be not only a knockdown shooter, BUT worth every bit of that 6-11 frame as a classic bigman. He's the perfect counter to Draymond... Cleveland can play small ball without losing size or rebounding.

ArbitraryWater
05-17-2016, 01:06 AM
great stuff man

Goofsta Knicca
05-17-2016, 01:29 AM
Thank u Coach Nick.

Fudge
05-17-2016, 01:33 AM
LeBron/Durant fam are great basketball minds.

tpols
05-17-2016, 01:55 AM
Golden State might be in trouble w/ Cleveland, i agree.

Their styles are too similar. A battle worn steph vs fully rested kyrie, they already play the same way, all kyrie has to do is step first. While I think Love sucks on defense, they will dare draymond to shoot where he is not close to the spot up shooter that Kevin is. Tristan Thompson will dominate for second chance points which is especially deadly with the Cav's shooting line ups.

It will be very dangerous for Golden State. They will basically need Curry to go god mode.



The Thunder, imo, have a more steady, methodical attack for Cleveland. Westbrook is a manchild against kyrie, and I expect him to meet the rim with little resistance

Cleveland has even softer bigs than Golden State does down low.. Channing Frye, Kevin Love camping outside, you basically have a 7 foot Adams, Kanter, and Ibaka lurking in the paint all game to nuetralize and get the better of tristan thomspon.

I prefer Steven Adams over Andrew Bogut as a rim deterrent to Lebron James for his ability to stay on the court longer, and more consistent energy.


Either way, things are going to get very interesting going forward.

3ball
05-17-2016, 02:19 AM
The recipe to beat OKC revolves around doing four things;

1. Neutralizing their biggest weapon #1: Stephen Curry

- Forcing Curry to become an inside the arc 2pt scorer...


You mean like Westbrook?.. Dangerous rim attackers still maintain a positive offensive impact even when their shot is off, since they always force the defense to cheat off their man and protect the rim attack, which gets teammates more open and spaces the floor.. Curry can't space the floor and get teammates open all by himself like a rim attacker - he needs his entire team shooting 3-pointers WITH him to space the floor.

Curry's lack of ability to attack the rim makes him an inferior player to non-shooters like Westbrook and Lebron, since they still have a positive offensive impact even when their shot is off (by forcing the defense to cheat off their man and protect the rim attack, thus leaving teammates more open), while ALWAYS playing better defense.





2. Neutralizing their biggest weapon #2: Transition Play (The Lethal 3pt On The Fastbreak)
- This is a matter of slowing down the tempo of the game. Starts on your offensive end. This is what Cleveland did last year, and what OKC did tonight...


The Warriors 3-point attack relies heavily on quick offense and transition, basically when the defense is often caught sleeping.

They rely on the 3-point shot to be great - when it's slowed down, they're nothing.. This is why previous era teams were far better, since they didn't rely on any one singular aspect to be great - they were just great BASKETBALL players, and therefore had greater capacity to excel regardless of era or brand of basketball.

You couldn't shut Jordan down by stopping one aspect of his game - if you shut down his threes, he'd go to the post, or midrange, or attack the rim.. Curry can't do this - once you shut down his 3-pointers and/or get him to start turning it over, he's done.





3. Taking Advantage of Draymond at Center: Bigmen
- This means taking advantage in a multitude of ways... On the offensive glass... Mismatch scoring opportunity... Mismatch through set play (Example: High PnR's)... Using mismatches NOT only for individual scoring, but TEAM scoring.


Draymond is a pedestrian player who benefits the most from today's spacing - his offense "facilitation" is nothing more than being the guy in the Warriors' offense that passes to a spotting-up Klay and Curry the most often..

Derrick Coleman, about the 10-15th best PF in his prime, was 80 times better in virtually every way.. :rolleyes:





4. Make Curry Work on Defense:
- This isn't as important as the former points, but we all know what fatigue does to a shooter... Work him through physical screens, force him to play attentive defense, get him into foul trouble.. Make him sweat.. Make him earn those bench breaks



Defense, from Curry... :yaohappy: .. We talkin bout' defense?


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So how did OKC do it tonight?


Everything that Westbrook, Durant and OKC did to win the game (being physical and shutting down a short player's one dimensional attack, slowing the game down, and rebounding better) are things Micheal, Scottie and the Bulls would do even better - so the Bulls would utterly crush this Warrior team.

The Warriors rely on the 3-point shot to be great - when it's slowed down, they're nothing.. This is why previous era teams were far better, since they didn't rely on any one singular aspect to be great - they were just great BASKETBALL players, and therefore had greater capacity to excel regardless of era or brand of basketball.
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