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DingDengDong
05-17-2016, 09:06 AM
I've done my homework and calculations along with my research team and found this flawless way of evaluating scoring efficency. It is more accurate than FG%, TS%, etc, while accounting for points actually scored (being efficient but only getting 4ppg is not going to have a great ISEA

Im Still Ballin
05-17-2016, 09:08 AM
2014 Demarcus Cousins

2006 Allen Iverson

DingDengDong
05-17-2016, 09:13 AM
2014 Demarcus Cousins

2006 Allen Iverson

2014 Demarcus: 0.625

2006 Iverson: 0.801

Im Still Ballin
05-17-2016, 09:14 AM
Criticism:

How can this be an efficiency stat if you're accounting for raw totals like Points scored... Suggesting that a higher efficiency ISEA™ from solely scoring more total points

Kind of defeats the purpose and efficacy of an efficiency stat

AkronAngel
05-17-2016, 09:15 AM
2016 Kobe plz

Im Still Ballin
05-17-2016, 09:16 AM
What is your equation formula for ISEA™

DingDengDong
05-17-2016, 09:17 AM
2016 Kobe plz
2016 Kobe: 0.296

r0drig0lac
05-17-2016, 09:17 AM
[QUOTE=DingDengDong]I've done my homework and calculations along with my research team and found this flawless way of evaluating scoring efficency. It is more accurate than FG%, TS%, etc, while accounting for points actually scored (being efficient but only getting 4ppg is not going to have a great ISEA

DingDengDong
05-17-2016, 09:18 AM
[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin]Criticism:

How can this be an efficiency stat if you're accounting for raw totals like Points scored... Suggesting that a higher efficiency ISEA

DingDengDong
05-17-2016, 09:18 AM
[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin]What is your equation formula for ISEA

Im Still Ballin
05-17-2016, 09:21 AM
So it's not really an efficiency stat because there is a positive volume component?

My defensive and offensive stats work because they are not biased towards playing time. Hence why Andre Roberson has one of the top ISBDB™ marks in the playoffs

DingDengDong
05-17-2016, 09:23 AM
Decided to compare this season's Durant vs Westbrook given how much people like to debate who is better:

2016 Westbrook: 0.591

2016 Durant: 0.903

This shows that Durant is clearly the better scorer. Obviously it doesn't say who the better player is overall though, since D, assists, rebs, etc aren't part of this.

DingDengDong
05-17-2016, 09:26 AM
[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin]So it's not really an efficiency stat because there is a positive volume component?

My defensive and offensive stats work because they are not biased towards playing time. Hence why Andre Roberson has one of the top ISBDB

Im Still Ballin
05-17-2016, 09:26 AM
For example; Channing Frye in the 2016 playoffs has a 0.90 ISBOB™

Yet he's only played a fraction over a 100 minutes so far

JohnnySic
05-17-2016, 09:27 AM
Advanced stats are stupid.

Lebronxrings
05-17-2016, 09:28 AM
2016 Kobe: 0.296
:yaohappy:

DingDengDong
05-17-2016, 09:32 AM
:yaohappy:
I think we could have predicted it would be bad this year.

DingDengDong
05-17-2016, 09:34 AM
Here is Primebe (2006): 0.890

Im Still Ballin
05-17-2016, 09:37 AM
Your stat looks okay, but I'm not sure if it's legit or you are just joking

What are your main component variables to your formula?

DingDengDong
05-17-2016, 09:42 AM
Your stat looks okay, but I'm not sure if it's legit or you are just joking

What are your main component variables to your formula?
All I can disclose is that it has a combination of points produced and efficiency in scoring those points.

Any other players you are curious about?

DingDengDong
05-17-2016, 09:44 AM
Kobe's career: .615

DingDengDong
05-17-2016, 09:46 AM
LeBron career: .787

DingDengDong
05-17-2016, 09:47 AM
2010 LeBron: 0.902

DingDengDong
05-17-2016, 09:49 AM
62 Wilt: 1.367 :bowdown:

Hittin_Shots
05-17-2016, 10:03 AM
So this is the new stupid shit this forums bellends are running with?

Lebronxrings
05-17-2016, 10:05 AM
Kobe's career: .615



LeBron career: .787

:lol

DingDengDong
05-17-2016, 10:05 AM
So this is the new stupid shit this forums bellends are running with?
So you don't like talking basketball? Maybe you should stick to the same troll threads that come up day after day.

tamaraw08
05-17-2016, 10:06 AM
[QUOTE=DingDengDong]I've done my homework and calculations along with my research team and found this flawless way of evaluating scoring efficency. It is more accurate than FG%, TS%, etc, while accounting for points actually scored (being efficient but only getting 4ppg is not going to have a great ISEA

tamaraw08
05-17-2016, 10:09 AM
:lol

Quote:
Originally Posted by DingDengDong
Kobe's career: .615


Quote:
Originally Posted by DingDengDong
LeBron career: .787

How Lebronx"rings" laughing?
how about this stat,
Kobe, 5-7
Lebron 2 of 6?

DingDengDong
05-17-2016, 10:13 AM
Some key players of this playoffs:

Klay: 0.788
Steph: 0.720
LeBron: 0.648
Westbrook: 0.538
Durant: 0.611
Lowry: 0.327
Derozan: 0.302

DingDengDong
05-17-2016, 10:24 AM
Would you please reveal your formula?
I can't understand how Shaq is lower than Curry when he shoots a much Higher %.
What's peak Duncan's, 2002-2005?
How about DeAndre Jordan?
1994 Shaq and Hakeem?

Can't reveal the formula for legal reasons as stated earlier. Shaq and Curry both have some all time high numbers there. There is no reason to be upset by that, but this is more advanced than simply higher fg%. Clearly Shaq's free throws her his efficiency, while Curry's 3s help, just as any other efficiency formula would show you.

2002 Duncan: 0.746
2016 DeAndre: 0.561 (not a big time scorer, so that hurts as well as free throws)
1994 Shaq: 1.062
1994 Hakeem: 0.814

Im Still Ballin
05-17-2016, 10:38 AM
So this is the new stupid shit this forums bellends are running with?
He's just trolling

Parodying the advanced statistics I made in the last few days, which are based on xRAPM/Optimized plus minus and DWSR with a few other things like block rate/steal rate

Go check out the InsideHoops Compendium for more information;

DingDengDong
05-17-2016, 10:44 AM
He's just trolling

Parodying the advanced statistics I made in the last few days, which are based on xRAPM/Optimized plus minus and DWSR with a few other things like block rate/steal rate

Go check out the InsideHoops Compendium for more information;
I got the idea to create a formula because of your threads, but it isn't trolling. The stats are legit, you yourself stated that they seemed legit. There is no agenda but to come up with a stat that reflects the efficiency and productivity of players.

Im Still Ballin
05-17-2016, 10:47 AM
I got the idea to create a formula because of your threads, but it isn't trolling. The stats are legit. There is no agenda but to come up with a stat that reflects the efficiency and productivity of players.
You're trolling

Tell us what variables/components you are using in your formula

I'm using WSR, xRAPM, BPM (OBPM/DBPM), Block and steal rates and an isolated component of raw blocks and steals totals

DingDengDong
05-17-2016, 10:51 AM
You're trolling

Tell us what variables/components you are using in your formula

I'm using WSR, xRAPM, BPM (OBPM/DBPM), Block and steal rates and an isolated component of raw blocks and steals totals
So I'm trolling because I'm not sharing my formula? :hammerhead:

Lets stick to player comparisons rather than attacking one another's formulas.

DingDengDong
05-17-2016, 11:11 AM
Iverson's 2001 MVP season: 0.677

For those paying attention, that is worse than his 2006 campaign.

DingDengDong
05-17-2016, 11:13 AM
2009 Wade: 0.851

Not bad.

DingDengDong
05-17-2016, 11:15 AM
2014 Durant: 1.022

That is better than Curry this year :eek:

SpaceJam
05-17-2016, 11:16 AM
2011 Rose

DingDengDong
05-17-2016, 11:26 AM
2011 Rose
0.612

DingDengDong
05-17-2016, 11:27 AM
Shaq's career: .926

That is amazing.

DingDengDong
05-17-2016, 11:28 AM
Wilt's career: 0.889

DingDengDong
05-17-2016, 11:30 AM
1970 Jerry West: 0.887

DingDengDong
05-17-2016, 11:32 AM
'72 Kareem: 1.205

DingDengDong
05-17-2016, 11:34 AM
2006 Arenas: 0.761

Im Still Ballin
05-17-2016, 12:32 PM
I'm sorry for attacking you earlier bro

Just lifted some weights and the endorphins are relaxing me down

Good shit bro. InsideHoops has had excellent content of recent!

DingDengDong
05-17-2016, 12:57 PM
I'm sorry for attacking you earlier bro

Just lifted some weights and the endorphins are relaxing me down

Good shit bro. InsideHoops has had excellent content of recent!
:cheers:

SpaceJam
05-17-2016, 01:00 PM
Just two future John Hollinger respecting each others work DAMN

tamaraw08
05-17-2016, 05:03 PM
Can't reveal the formula for legal reasons as stated earlier. Shaq and Curry both have some all time high numbers there. There is no reason to be upset by that, but this is more advanced than simply higher fg%. Clearly Shaq's free throws her his efficiency, while Curry's 3s help, just as any other efficiency formula would show you.
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2002 Duncan: 0.746
2016 DeAndre: 0.561 (not a big time scorer, so that hurts as well as free throws)
1994 Shaq: 1.062
1994 Hakeem: 0.814
Dude, I am not upset, but more confused on how Steph's best is better than Shaq's, was it a freak accident? How was Steph's 2 or 3 years ago, ?
I want to compare KG 2003 vs Pau 2006-07,
How About Carmelo 2012 to Rose 2011?
Can you atleast mention the top 5 components?

Optimus Prime
05-17-2016, 05:12 PM
Might as well just name all these "advanced stats" MLLB...

Make
LeBron
Look
Better

Because that's all they are. "Advanced metrics" are useless.

:kobe:

ISHGoat
05-17-2016, 05:53 PM
Might as well just name all these "advanced stats" MLLB...

Make
LeBron
Look
Better

Because that's all they are. "Advanced metrics" are useless.

:kobe:

IQ < 100 spotted

scuzzy
05-17-2016, 05:53 PM
Dude, I am not upset, but more confused on how Steph's best is better than Shaq's, was it a freak accident? How was Steph's 2 or 3 years ago, ?
I want to compare KG 2003 vs Pau 2006-07,
How About Carmelo 2012 to Rose 2011?
Can you atleast mention the top 5 components?
Dude like he said, he can't reveal the formula.

Just deal with it

tamaraw08
05-17-2016, 08:27 PM
Dude like he said, he can't reveal the formula.

Just deal with it
Ok but i have other questions too and gauge how credible is this.
Is carmelo better than prime Rose? Was Stephs year a fluke? Who was better pau or KG?

DingDengDong
05-18-2016, 08:52 AM
Great game from both LeBron and Kyrie last night. Here are their ISEA

DingDengDong
05-18-2016, 09:04 AM
Dude, I am not upset, but more confused on how Steph's best is better than Shaq's, was it a freak accident? How was Steph's 2 or 3 years ago, ?
I want to compare KG 2003 vs Pau 2006-07,
How About Carmelo 2012 to Rose 2011?
Can you atleast mention the top 5 components?
Curry was absolutely amazing this year. His 3s really upped the efficiency, and Shaq's hurts his. If you look at Shaq's career ISEA

DingDengDong
05-18-2016, 09:07 AM
Oh, here are some past Curry years:

2015: 0.739
2014: 0.690
2013: 0.608

Pretty amazing how much he improved from last year to this year, and had steadily improved year after year before that.

DingDengDong
05-19-2016, 09:12 AM
ISEA

Im Still Ballin
05-19-2016, 09:16 AM
I'm proud to announce that this piece of work has been added to the InsideHoops Compendium

Welcome to the big leagues brother!

DingDengDong
05-19-2016, 09:25 AM
I'm proud to announce that this piece of work has been added to the InsideHoops Compendium

Welcome to the big leagues brother!
:cheers:

tmacattack33
05-19-2016, 10:43 AM
This stat is just taking your total points scored (and multiplying that by some factor) and then multiplying that by your efficiency.

So it's a combo of ppg and TS%.

Not a bad way to do it.

Born Sinner
05-19-2016, 10:58 AM
Virgin :lol

DingDengDong
05-19-2016, 11:27 AM
Got curious about LeBron's worst Finals performances.

2007: 0.335
2011: 0.460

I'm a little surprised that 2011 was better than 2007.

Klay 3D
05-19-2016, 11:39 AM
I see nothing great about it. Just a bunch of numbers with nothing to back it up.

MJ 10.23
Curry 7.00
Kobe 6.71
Wade 5.94
Shaq 5.92
Lebron 4.80
Westbrook 4.03
Wilt 4.01
You 0.01

(Better than PER)

DingDengDong
05-19-2016, 11:42 AM
I see nothing great about it. Just a bunch of numbers with nothing to back it up.

MJ 10.23
Curry 7.00
Kobe 6.71
Wade 5.94
Shaq 5.92
Lebron 4.80
Westbrook 4.03
Wilt 4.01
You 0.01

(Better than PER)
Clearly you saw a comparison you didn't like. Which one was it? The numbers are non-bias and are not made up. They accurately reflect performance. tmacattack33 generally gets it.

Klay 3D
05-19-2016, 12:13 PM
Clearly you saw a comparison you didn't like. Which one was it? The numbers are non-bias and are not made up. They accurately reflect performance. tmacattack33 generally gets it.
Don't really care tbh. Just saying it holds no merit with no backing. It's like putting a simple 1-10 rating on a game and it'll somewhat accurately determine the quality of the performance(s). I'm going to call this ISHR