View Full Version : How do Lebron fans explain this
3ball
05-18-2016, 02:36 AM
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The Cavs are so stacked that they don't need Lebron to lead them in scoring, while the Bulls needed Jordan to be scoring leader for every playoff series of his career by an average of 15.4 ppg (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=406920).
:coleman:
LilEddyCurry
05-18-2016, 02:40 AM
Cause Jordan always wants to score and this is done throughout the regular season. Once Jordan stops scoring then it would be unfamiliar to his team mates which then puts them in a bad situation.
LeBron on the other hand is a natural playmaker who has the size and strength to rebound impacting the game in multiple areas, other than just scoring.
Im Still Ballin
05-18-2016, 02:40 AM
Because LeBron is the best defender, whereas Michael was the 2nd best, even the 3rd best defender at times.
LeBron is cruising at the moment, as the leading facilitator to his team. He's both MJ and Pippen in one.
SouBeachTalents
05-18-2016, 02:46 AM
1-9
jstern
05-18-2016, 02:54 AM
Golden States loses and 3ball is now focuses on Lebron. This is a sign that Lebron is currently the best in the league.
Hamtaro CP3KDKG
05-18-2016, 02:54 AM
Lebron already top 5 in postseason ASSISTS only PGs ahead of him
Meanwhile Mich_el.......
fourkicks44
05-18-2016, 02:58 AM
Because LeBron is the best defender, whereas Michael was the 2nd best, even the 3rd best defender at times.
LeBron is cruising at the moment, as the leading facilitator to his team. He's both MJ and Pippen in one.
That is not a reflection of MJ's defense though. He played with perhaps the two best defenders of all time.
3ball
05-18-2016, 03:04 AM
just scoring (Jordan was just a scorer)
Jordan led the Bulls in passing - specifically, he led the Bulls in assist percentage for both 3-peats (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11713121&postcount=49), so he assisted on the highest proportion of teammate field goals.
Jordan's goat scoring, team-leading passing, and best-ever defense at his position is the goat performance and the biggest load ever carried.
Btw - in the 1997 playoffs, Rodman played horrible and only averaged 8.4 rebounds.. So the 34-year old Jordan picked up the slack and averaged 7.9 rebounds, while also leading the team in points, assists, blocks and steals.. Lebron has never carried a team like this.. Keep in mind that Jordan's clutch was goat in the Finals that year - he hit the walk-off GW in Game 1, had the flu-game and another GW in Game 5, and the series-winning assist to Kerr in Game 6.
LeBron on the other hand is a natural playmaker who has the size and strength to rebound impacting the game in multiple areas
Close your eyes and imagine if Lebron averaged 5.5 more ppg in the playoffs - that's almost SIX MORE POINTS!!!... So imagine that he was a 34 ppg scorer instead of 28 ppg, with better efficiency across the board (TS, FG, ORtg).
Wouldn't his dominance be on another level?... Wouldn't he a far more amazing player than he is now?
Well, that was Jordan - Jordan's huge scoring and efficiency advantage is worth more than Lebron's 2.5 defensive rebound advantage (with less offensive rebounds) and 1.0 assist edge (with more turnovers).
Showtime2001
05-18-2016, 03:06 AM
6/6 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2/6.
Top 1 family stays winning.
:cheers:
oarabbus
05-18-2016, 03:07 AM
6/6 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2/6.
Top 1 family stays winning.
:cheers:
Top 1? No one said anything about Bill Russell in this topic.
Or did you mean Kareem?
bigkingsfan
05-18-2016, 04:03 AM
Jordan always led his team in FGA by a wide amount, after all he was ballhog.
329 Services
05-18-2016, 04:05 AM
Jordan - Kobe - Curry best ever.
knicksman
05-18-2016, 04:54 AM
Cause Jordan always wants to score and this is done throughout the regular season. Once Jordan stops scoring then it would be unfamiliar to his team mates which then puts them in a bad situation.
LeBron on the other hand is a natural playmaker who has the size and strength to rebound impacting the game in multiple areas, other than just scoring.
More like bran is a pusy. Hed rather be a 2nd option than be the man.
3ball
05-18-2016, 04:57 AM
^^^^ this is true.. :lol:
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sportjames23
05-18-2016, 04:58 AM
2*-7
fix'd
KingPush
05-18-2016, 04:58 AM
Lebron>Curry>Westbrook>Jordan
ImKobe
05-18-2016, 05:01 AM
Cause Jordan always wants to score and this is done throughout the regular season. Once Jordan stops scoring then it would be unfamiliar to his team mates which then puts them in a bad situation.
LeBron on the other hand is a natural playmaker who has the size and strength to rebound impacting the game in multiple areas, other than just scoring.
Yet Jordan is also one of the best playmakers in NBA history and a better defender than Lebron and has 6 rings and 6 Finals MVPs to show for it along with 10 scoring titles and DPOY.
3ball
05-18-2016, 05:10 AM
Jordan always led his team in FGA by a wide amount
Jordan's points-per-shot in the playoffs is 1.3, which is the same as Lebron's - but Jordan simply DOES MORE at that efficiency level (5.5 more ppg).. Isn't that what any fan wants of their favorite player - for them to DO MORE?
In addition to his equal per-shot efficiency, Jordan had higher per possession efficiency (ORtg), true shooting and FG%.
There's never been a #1 option that scored 5.5 more ppg on better efficiency that wasn't considered the FAR better player.. Can you imagine if Lebron averaged 5.5 more ppg?.. He would be on a completely different level and an entirely more dominant player.
Jordan's massive scoring and efficiency advantage is worth more than Lebron's 2.5 defensive rebound edge (with less offensive rebounds) and 1.0 less assists (with more turnovers).
Jordan was ballhog.
Jordan led the Bulls in passing - specifically, he led the Bulls in assist percentage for both 3-peats (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11713121&postcount=49), so he assisted on the highest proportion of teammate field goals.
Jordan's goat scoring, team-leading passing, and best-ever defense at his position is the goat performance and the biggest load ever carried.
Btw - in the 1997 playoffs, Rodman played horrible and only averaged 8.4 rebounds.. So the 34-year old Jordan picked up the slack and averaged 7.9 rebounds, while also leading the team in points, assists, blocks and steals.. Lebron has never carried a team like this.. Keep in mind that Jordan's clutch was goat in the Finals that year - he hit the walk-off GW in Game 1, had the flu-game and another GW in Game 5, and the series-winning assist to Kerr in Game 6..
Piccolo
05-18-2016, 04:34 PM
Jordan led the Bulls in passing - specifically, he led the Bulls in assist percentage for both 3-peats (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11713121&postcount=49), so he assisted on the highest proportion of teammate field goals.
Jordan's goat scoring, team-leading passing, and best-ever defense at his position is the goat performance and the biggest load ever carried.
Btw - in the 1997 playoffs, Rodman played horrible and only averaged 8.4 rebounds.. So the 34-year old Jordan picked up the slack and averaged 7.9 rebounds, while also leading the team in points, assists, blocks and steals.. Lebron has never carried a team like this.. Keep in mind that Jordan's clutch was goat in the Finals that year - he hit the walk-off GW in Game 1, had the flu-game and another GW in Game 5, and the series-winning assist to Kerr in Game 6.
Close your eyes and imagine if Lebron averaged 5.5 more ppg in the playoffs - that's almost SIX MORE POINTS!!!... So imagine that he was a 34 ppg scorer instead of 28 ppg, with better efficiency across the board (TS, FG, ORtg).
Wouldn't his dominance be on another level?... Wouldn't he a far more amazing player than he is now?
Well, that was Jordan - Jordan's huge scoring and efficiency advantage is worth more than Lebron's 2.5 defensive rebound advantage (with less offensive rebounds) and 1.0 assist edge (with more turnovers).
Bolded is a lie. LeBron lead the Heat in all statistics the years he was with them.
Piccolo
05-18-2016, 04:36 PM
More like bran is a pusy. Hed rather be a 2nd option than be the man.
2nd options don't win Finals MVP and LeBron has 2 of them.
Bankaii
05-18-2016, 04:46 PM
Jordan was a ball hog and horrible teammate that couldn't stand having someone shoot more than him. That's why.
Nilocon165
05-18-2016, 04:49 PM
2nd options don't win Finals MVP and LeBron has 2 of them.
8 posts in 7 years goddamn
3ball
05-18-2016, 05:40 PM
Bolded is a lie. LeBron lead the Heat in all statistics the years he was with them.
^^^ That's a lie - he didn't do that.
And Lebron never led his team in scoring by 10 ppg for a playoff run WHILE ALSO leading the team in rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks like Jordan did in 1997 playoffs (edit: Jordan averaged 7.9 rebs to Rodman's 8.4)
Ultimately, the Cavs are so stacked that they don't need Lebron to lead them in scoring, while the Bulls needed Jordan to be scoring leader for every playoff series of his career by an average of 15.4 ppg (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=406920).. Lebron is nowhere near Jordan.
Hey Yo
05-18-2016, 06:07 PM
^^^ That's a lie - he didn't do that.
And Lebron never led his team in scoring by 10 ppg for a playoff run WHILE ALSO leading the team in rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks like Jordan did in 1997 playoffs (edit: Jordan averaged 7.9 rebs to Rodman's 8.4)
Ultimately, the Cavs are so stacked that they don't need Lebron to lead them in scoring, while the Bulls needed Jordan to be scoring leader for every playoff series of his career by an average of 15.4 ppg (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=406920).. Lebron is nowhere near Jordan.
The last 3 postseasons LeBron was with Miami, he led the team in MP, pts, assists and rebounds. He also did the same last postseason with the Cavs and GS (lead both teams) in the stats above.
MJ never did it for a Finals run or in the Finals.
ImKobe
05-18-2016, 06:25 PM
The last 3 postseasons LeBron was with Miami, he led the team in MP, pts, assists and rebounds. He also did the same last postseason with the Cavs and GS (lead both teams) in the stats above.
MJ never did it for a Finals run or in the Finals.
MJ also never lost in the Finals. Never came close to losing in the Finals for a reason. Lebron was in a situation where his team had no chance in winning anyways and had no one else that could handle the ball on the offensive end so he hogged the ball as much as possible to get his stats but it was a failure.
Hey Yo
05-18-2016, 06:51 PM
MJ also never lost in the Finals. Never came close to losing in the Finals for a reason. Lebron was in a situation where his team had no chance in winning anyways and had no one else that could handle the ball on the offensive end so he hogged the ball as much as possible to get his stats but it was a failure.
Hogging the ball equates to getting rebounds?
LikeABosh
05-18-2016, 07:03 PM
Because despite the constant comparisons they are very different players. The large majority would agree Jordan is better than the Lebron, at the very least a better scorer without question. Maybe you should stop wasting your life having the same arguments with the same hand full of mentally ill Lebron stans.
livinglegend
05-18-2016, 07:04 PM
MJ also never lost in the Finals. Never came close to losing in the Finals for a reason. Lebron was in a situation where his team had no chance in winning anyways and had no one else that could handle the ball on the offensive end so he hogged the ball as much as possible to get his stats but it was a failure.
Jordan also had a team that won 55 games without him.
Lebron's team is 4-15 without him.
#FACTS
livinglegend
05-18-2016, 07:05 PM
^^^ That's a lie - he didn't do that.
And Lebron never led his team in scoring by 10 ppg for a playoff run WHILE ALSO leading the team in rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks like Jordan did in 1997 playoffs (edit: Jordan averaged 7.9 rebs to Rodman's 8.4)
Ultimately, the Cavs are so stacked that they don't need Lebron to lead them in scoring, while the Bulls needed Jordan to be scoring leader for every playoff series of his career by an average of 15.4 ppg (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=406920).. Lebron is nowhere near Jordan.
Lebron lead his team in points, rebounds and assists.
Jordan didn't!
G-train
05-18-2016, 07:08 PM
Jordan is arguably the greatest player ever, and Lebron is arguably a top 5-10 player ever.
Appreciate both and their different styles.
robert de niro
05-18-2016, 08:27 PM
Bolded is a lie. LeBron lead the Heat in all statistics the years he was with them.
wow slow down there, you are surpassing your post per year limit.
feyki
05-18-2016, 08:50 PM
Top 1? No one said anything about Bill Russell in this topic.
Or did you mean Kareem?
Kill em :lol
LilEddyCurry
05-18-2016, 09:25 PM
Jordan led the Bulls in passing - specifically, he led the Bulls in assist percentage for both 3-peats (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11713121&postcount=49), so he assisted on the highest proportion of teammate field goals.
Jordan's goat scoring, team-leading passing, and best-ever defense at his position is the goat performance and the biggest load ever carried.
Btw - in the 1997 playoffs, Rodman played horrible and only averaged 8.4 rebounds.. So the 34-year old Jordan picked up the slack and averaged 7.9 rebounds, while also leading the team in points, assists, blocks and steals.. Lebron has never carried a team like this.. Keep in mind that Jordan's clutch was goat in the Finals that year - he hit the walk-off GW in Game 1, had the flu-game and another GW in Game 5, and the series-winning assist to Kerr in Game 6.
Close your eyes and imagine if Lebron averaged 5.5 more ppg in the playoffs - that's almost SIX MORE POINTS!!!... So imagine that he was a 34 ppg scorer instead of 28 ppg, with better efficiency across the board (TS, FG, ORtg).
Wouldn't his dominance be on another level?... Wouldn't he a far more amazing player than he is now?
Well, that was Jordan - Jordan's huge scoring and efficiency advantage is worth more than Lebron's 2.5 defensive rebound advantage (with less offensive rebounds) and 1.0 assist edge (with more turnovers).
Thanks for changing my wording mate. I was saying LeBron is naturally a distributor and is able to take a seat back in scoring. Whereas, Jordan was naturally the alpha dog in regards to scoring.
Done_And_Done
05-18-2016, 11:13 PM
Jordan literally defecates down the throat of any other player, from any other era.
Done and Done...
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