Negotiating a job offer salary

[JohnnySic]

Is there a rule of thumb for negotiating a salary offer? A "standard" percentage?

TIA.

[Proctor]

You're forgetting nobody on this forum has a job.

[stalkerforlife]

You're forgetting nobody on this forum has a job.

:roll:

[ALBballer]

Is there a rule of thumb for negotiating a salary offer? A "standard" percentage?

TIA.

I would say 10%-15%+. Obviously YMMV depending on field, experience, etc.

[poido123]

You're forgetting nobody on this forum has a job.



:oldlol:

[Kvnzhangyay]

Is there a rule of thumb for negotiating a salary offer? A "standard" percentage?

TIA.

Be reasonable.

I can't speak for anything outside of the finance industry, but for us, it's pretty well defined base, so there really isnt' much negotation (for example, Analyst is around what, 65-70K base?? or at least for me it was back then)

However, I would imagine employers are definitely gonna low ball you so maybe if for example they offer 55 ask for 75, and you'll prob agree on something in low to mid 60s

[GimmeThat]

promotion potentials

[BigBoss]

Taco Bell pays by salary?

[JohnnySic]

Be reasonable.

I can't speak for anything outside of the finance industry, but for us, it's pretty well defined base, so there really isnt' much negotation (for example, Analyst is around what, 65-70K base?? or at least for me it was back then)

However, I would imagine employers are definitely gonna low ball you so maybe if for example they offer 55 ask for 75, and you'll prob agree on something in low to mid 60s
Thanks. :cheers:

[JohnnySic]

I would say 10%-15%+. Obviously YMMV depending on field, experience, etc.
Thanks. :cheers:

[IcanzIIravor]

Thanks. :cheers:

The important thing is that you be able to justify your asking price with a detailed explanation of why you believe you deserve and earned what you want. If you stutter and stumble when they pose that question to you then you're most likely not getting it.

[UK2K]

I was offered X amount, I said your average person with my job makes 15% more than that (I had no experience) but since I've shown a steady work history with amazing results at every place I've ever worked, how about another 10%?

They agreed.

You can ask for whatever you want if you can back it up.

[kurple]

I was offered X amount, I said your average person with my job makes 15% more than that (I had no experience) but since I've shown a steady work history with amazing results at every place I've ever worked, how about another 10%?

They agreed.

You can ask for whatever you want if you can back it up.
who had you shown a steady work history with amazing results? if you had no experience i mean

[livinglegend]

who had you shown a steady work history with amazing results? if you had no experience i mean
plot hole :lol

[~primetime~]

I would say 10%-15%+. Obviously YMMV depending on field, experience, etc.
5% is much closer to standard

A 15% raise is huge.

[UK2K]

who had you shown a steady work history with amazing results? if you had no experience i mean
In that field.

Meritorious promotions and near perfect scores on anything and everything from my time in the military, a promotion to management within a few months at my previous job, and numbers to back up my claim that I was saving the company 100x more than what they were paying me.

That's why they hired me over everyone else, despite having no experience. Best predictor of the future is the past, and my past is outstanding. Even with no experience, they'll teach you everything, and that's what they care about

[~primetime~]

Be reasonable.

I can't speak for anything outside of the finance industry, but for us, it's pretty well defined base, so there really isnt' much negotation (for example, Analyst is around what, 65-70K base?? or at least for me it was back then)

However, I would imagine employers are definitely gonna low ball you so maybe if for example they offer 55 ask for 75, and you'll prob agree on something in low to mid 60s
lol

if they offer 55 and you counter with 75 you'd get laughed out the room.

More realistic would be if they offer a 4% raise then counter with 6%...meet at 5%

[DeuceWallaces]

5% is much closer to standard

A 15% raise is huge.

But it's not a raise; 10-20% isn't crazy if you have success or can illustrate that's competitive pay for the position.

[~primetime~]

In my experience, if you want to play hard ball with your employer, then you better be prepared to leave. And if you don't have a problem leaving, or you are unhappy where you are at, AND your gut feeling is that they want to keep you or that they absolutely need you, THEN you are in position to make large raise request.

If the economy is poor, or you could easily be replaced, you like what you're doing and don't want to leave, etc...then you should probably just accept the raise they offer.

[~primetime~]

But it's not a raise; 10-20% isn't crazy if you have success or can illustrate that's competitive pay for the position.
maybe one single year...if you are in fact under paid

no one should expect a 10%-20% raise every single year...that's not normal at all...if that is happening on the regular then you are an absolute rock star at what you do.

[Tarik One]

In my experience, if you want to play hard ball with your employer, then you better be prepared to leave. And if you don't have a problem leaving, or you are unhappy where you are at, AND your gut feeling is that they want to keep you or that they absolutely need you, THEN you are in position to make large raise request.

If the economy is poor, or you could easily be replaced, you like what you're doing and don't want to leave, etc...then you should probably just accept the raise they offer.
Yep. No different than sports.

You have superstar players (non-replaceable)
You have star players (replaceable)
....and then you have role players (very replaceable).

[ALBballer]

5% is much closer to standard

A 15% raise is huge.

Well if you figure inflation is around 2-3% and make the assumption your employer gives you raises that keep up with inflation (I know not all employers do such a thing and nowadays you have to hop around to get a raise) then 5% isn't that much of a "raise." Again this is all relative depending on multiple factors but I don't think 10-15% is out of the norm atleast in the industry I work in.

I would also consider benefits and quality of life moreso than just the salary. Hours worked, time off, flexibility, commute, medical coverage and so forth are more important to me then just a salary.

[Tarik One]

Well if you figure inflation is around 2-3% and make the assumption your employer gives you raises that keep up with inflation (I know not all employers do such a thing and nowadays you have to hop around to get a raise) then 5% isn't that much of a "raise." Again this is all relative depending on multiple factors but I don't think 10-15% is out of the norm atleast in the industry I work in.

I would also consider benefits and quality of life moreso than just the salary. Hours worked, time off, flexibility, commute, medical coverage and so forth are more important to me then just a salary.

That is often overlooked. People always think "money, money, money". Also, add in work environment. Who wants to work for a sh!tty boss even if the pay is better?

[~primetime~]

I suppose salaries can climb kinda quick when you're straight out of college, but if you got a 10%-15% raise every year for 30 years your salary would be massive when you retire.


The way a lot of people boost their salary up is going from one job to another...a new employer will sometimes give you that 10%-20% raise just to get you over to their team.

[DeuceWallaces]

maybe one single year...if you are in fact under paid

no one should expect a 10%-20% raise every single year...that's not normal at all...if that is happening on the regular then you are an absolute rock star at what you do.

It's not a raise. He's negotiating a salary for a new position.

[~primetime~]

It's not a raise. He's negotiating a salary for a new position.
Right I was responding to ALB suggesting to request a 10%-15% over what they offer...but that is asking for more than a standard pay raise

[LJJ]

lol

if they offer 55 and you counter with 75 you'd get laughed out the room.

More realistic would be if they offer a 4% raise then counter with 6%...meet at 5%

You take his point of out context.

Some companies negotiate aggressively and your mentality is precisely what they take advantage of. if they offer you 55 and you know a competitive offer would be 65, you shouldn't be asking only for 57. You definitely won't be laughed out of the room for calling them out on their lowball offer, you actually will end up looking competent.

Bottom line is that you should do your research and be aware of what normal salary ranges for your position are. %s don't matter, real numbers matter. There's definitely companies out there that will offer you much less than your market value if they think they can get away with it.

[JohnnySic]

It's not a raise. He's negotiating a salary for a new position.
Correct.

New company, totally different job.

And the salary they offered is VERY low compared to what I see for the role on Indeed, Glassdoor, Careerbliss, Payscale, etc.

So I will ask for a bit more and illustrate the above in my message.

[~primetime~]

You take his point of out context.

Some companies negotiate aggressively and your mentality is precisely what they take advantage of. if they offer you 55 and you know a competitive offer would be 65, you shouldn't be asking only for 57. You definitely won't be laughed out of the room for calling them out on their lowball offer, you actually will end up looking competent.

Bottom line is that you should do your research and be aware of what normal salary ranges for your position are. %s don't matter, real numbers matter. There's definitely companies out there that will offer you much less than your market value if they think they can get away with it.
If they are at 55 and you are at 75 then someone is way off IMO...I would think that would result in a no-hire

[~primetime~]

Correct.

New company, totally different job.

And the salary they offered is VERY low compared to what I see for the role on Indeed, Glassdoor, Careerbliss, Payscale, etc.

So I will ask for a bit more and illustrate the above in my message.
Are you continuing the same line of work? They are trying to steal you away?...if that is the case then shoot high I guess.

[LJJ]

If they are at 55 and you are at 75 then someone is way off IMO...I would think that would result in a no-hire

Starting with an offer of 20% less than what they are willing to pay is not uncommon depending on the field.

[JohnnySic]

Are you continuing the same line of work? They are trying to steal you away?...if that is the case then shoot high I guess.
Well the recruiter did say that the manager is designing the role......specifically for me. Kinda scary. :oldlol:

[~primetime~]

Starting with an offer of 20% less than what they are willing to pay is not uncommon depending on the field.
It all depends on the situation.

I was under the assumption that OP is starting a new line of work...and I don't think you can be demanding in that spot.

If OP is continuing same line of work and the new company is trying to get him over then that's different.

[~primetime~]

Well the recruiter did say that the manager is designing the role......specifically for me. Kinda scary. :oldlol:
that sounds like a unique situation...maybe you can be demanding, IDK

[UK2K]

That is often overlooked. People always think "money, money, money". Also, add in work environment. Who wants to work for a sh!tty boss even if the pay is better?
My girlfriend makes probably 30% more than I do and absolutely hates her job.

I love mine.

I have to hear her come home and bitch about it every day, and I'm like, I had a great day at work, don't bring thay negativity around me.

[DeuceWallaces]

Right I was responding to ALB suggesting to request a 10%-15% over what they offer...but that is asking for more than a standard pay raise

Because it's not a pay raise. Hence, the larger number.

[GINOBILI!]

I'd go with threats.

[oarabbus]

If they are at 55 and you are at 75 then someone is way off IMO...I would think that would result in a no-hire


I don't think so... if they say 55 and you say 75 they won't say "Ok we're done here, offer revoked".... they'll say "hmm well the best we can do is 58k on this" and put the ball back in your court.

Also yeah for a raise, there is no way you can ask for 10-15% higher salary. But if you're doing a starting salary negotiation (as in, you have been offered the position and haven't started working yet) you can certainly ask for 15% over what they are offering you.


Well the recruiter did say that the manager is designing the role......specifically for me. Kinda scary. :oldlol:


That's great news. When managers really want a candidate they'll open a req tailored to you specifically. If this is the case you can certainly negotiate 10%. If you have other offers even better as you can play hardball and ask for even more.

[~primetime~]

I don't think so... if they say 55 and you say 75 they won't say "Ok we're done here, offer revoked".... they'll say "hmm well the best we can do is 58k on this" and put the ball back in your court.

Also yeah for a raise, there is no way you can ask for 10-15% higher salary. But if you're doing a starting salary negotiation (as in, you have been offered the position and haven't started working yet) you can certainly ask for 15% over what they are offering you.

Agreed unless it is a new line of work entirely...and then I think jumping from 55 all the way to 75 would get you laughed at, I would assume anyway. If you're continuing the same line of work somewhere else then yeah, 10%-15% is probably fine, and I didn't realize that is what the OP is doing so my bad.

[JohnnySic]

Update - I made my counter offer and I spoke with the recruiter and its being considered; may hear back later today.

[Jameerthefear]

Update - I made my counter offer and I spoke with the recruiter and its being considered; may hear back later today.
:applause:

[JohnnySic]

I got it - asked for 26% more and got 20%. Bang! :rockon:

[CeltsGarlic]

In that field.

Meritorious promotions and near perfect scores on anything and everything from my time in the military, a promotion to management within a few months at my previous job, and numbers to back up my claim that I was saving the company 100x more than what they were paying me.

That's why they hired me over everyone else, despite having no experience. Best predictor of the future is the past, and my past is outstanding. Even with no experience, they'll teach you everything, and that's what they care about

Showed your http://winemaking.jackkeller.net/award84.jpg
also right?

[Jameerthefear]

I got it - asked for 26% more and got 20%. Bang! :rockon:
WINNING :applause:

[Draz]

Congrats man :)
Didn't read the thread what job / field is it?

[NBAplayoffs2001]

I remember saying I think $10/hour for a part time job at a grocery store. Guy stared at me and said no way you're worth more than $8.50-$9. Never got a call back. :lol Thankfully got a better job with better pay