Lebron worked REALLY REALLY hard on 3-pointers, like most players today

[3ball]

And his hard work yielded a 31% career mark in the playoffs, and 34% in regular season..

Nonetheless, many posters think Lebron is a BETTER 3-point shooter than Jordan, who didn't practice the shot, hated the shot (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2CyJdCq-zU&t=0m06s), and felt it took away from his game.

Do people really think that if Jordan worked super-hard on 3-pointers like today's player, that he wouldn't shoot FAR better than Lebron's 31% in the playoffs or 34% in RS?

As it stands, he ALREADY shot better than this - he shot 34.5% from the REGULAR line in the playoffs (not the shortened line), which is higher than Lebron's percentages.. Ultimately, Jordan's fundamentally-sound, flawless form (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFGj2LiEFSI&t=9m51s) allowed him to shoot well WHEN NEEDED despite never practicing the shot, while Lebron's horrible form prevents him from shooting well, despite practicing a super-ton.

Keep in mind that Jordan's dislike for 3-pointers resulted in him taking mostly BAILOUT 3-pointers, which suppressed his percentage - he wasn't SEEKING to shoot 3-pointers every game like Lebron and today's player.
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[SouBeachTalents]

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[ShawkFactory]

You work REALLY REALLY hard for a pointless cause, unlike most people today

[PP34Deuce]

I don't think Lebron works on 3 pointers or ever worked on it as hard as people think.

We're not in the gym but I imagine Lebron works more on conditioning, passing, and overall IQ parts of the game.

There's a certain nonchalant to him about shooting the 3 ball. I believe he will probably work on it when he simply can't drive to the basket anymore.

[k0kakw0rld]

And his hard work yielded a 31% career mark in the playoffs, and 34% in regular season..

Nonetheless, many posters think Lebron is a BETTER 3-point shooter than Jordan, who didn't practice the shot, hated the shot (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2CyJdCq-zU&t=0m06s), and felt it took away from his game.

Do people really think that if Jordan worked super-hard on 3-pointers like today's player, that he wouldn't shoot FAR better than Lebron's 31% in the playoffs or 34% in RS?

As it stands, he ALREADY shot better than this - he shot 34.5% from the REGULAR line in the playoffs (not the shortened line), which is higher than Lebron's percentages.. Ultimately, Jordan's fundamentally-sound, flawless form (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFGj2LiEFSI&t=9m51s) allowed him to shoot well WHEN NEEDED despite never practicing the shot, while Lebron's horrible form prevents him from shooting well, despite practicing a super-ton.

Keep in mind that Jordan's dislike for 3-pointers resulted in him taking mostly BAILOUT 3-pointers, which suppressed his percentage - he wasn't SEEKING to shoot 3-pointers every game like Lebron and today's player.
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Cringe.

Slowly becoming one of the most irrelevant posters here. What happened to you? :confusedshrug:

[Smoke117]

Curry > Lebron > Jordan

[3ball]

Cringe.


Indeed - some tough facts to swallow for Lebron fans - the guy practices the 3-point shot super-hard, but only achieves 31% in the playoffs.

That's pathetic.

Otoh, Jordan didn't practice the shot, hated the shot, and felt it took away from his game.. So do you really think that if Jordan worked hard on 3-pointers like Lebron, that he wouldn't shoot FAR better than Lebron's 31% in the playoffs or 34% in RS?

[3ball]

I don't think Lebron works on 3 pointers


So you think Lebron doesn't practice 3-pointers that much, even though 3-pointers constitute a significant portion of his shot attempts and the Cavs are paying him literally hundreds of millions of dollars?

Sorry bud, but Lebron and the Cavs have a lot of skin in the game - he isn't going to take that many 3-pointers while getting paid millions and NOT practice the shot a ton - especially since we're in the 3-point era where the 3-point shot is integral to every team's offense..

[Bankaii]

You know you've lost when you have to resort to hypotheticals.
Lebron=Curry>Jordan

[HoopologyPhD]

Indeed - some tough facts to swallow for Lebron fans

I disagree, Lebron fans typically don't have much difficulty swallowing things.

[kamil]

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[3ball]

You know you've lost when you have to resort to hypotheticals.


We've already seen what happens when Jordan practices a certain shot - he becomes the goat at it, like he did with midrange shooting.. His midrange percentage (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12373019&postcount=26) would be the best in the league today.

So it's intuitive - do you really think that if Jordan worked hard on 3-pointers like Lebron, that he wouldn't shoot FAR better than Lebron's 31%?

Of course he would - especially considering he ALREADY shot better - Jordan shot 34.5% from the regular line in the playoffs, even though he hated the shot and consequently took mostly bailout threes.

Ultimately, Jordan's form was flawless, while Lebron's is jacked, so Jordan's shot had greater capacity for superior efficiency - Lebron just happens to play in the 3-point era, so he SEEKS 3-pointers every game, while Jordan hated the shot and took mostly bailout threes.

[sd3035]

Cringe.

Slowly becoming one of the most irrelevant posters here. What happened to you? :confusedshrug:

he's still better than you :oldlol:

[KingPush]

Lebron doesnt give a shit about 3 pointers yet hes still a better 3 point shooter than Jordan :oldlol:


Also, its funny how 3 pointers are suddenly important to you when Curry isnt involved in the discussion

[NZStreetBaller]

Jordan and lebron both suck at three pointers.... lmao why not compare deandre and dwight at free throws??

[Genaro]

Come on now 3ball. You're better than this. Do you really think Jordan never practiced 3 pointers? He prob didn't practiced as much as post 2010 players but that doesn't mean he didn't at all.

[3ball]

Lebron doesnt give a shit about 3 pointers yet hes still a better 3 point shooter than Jordan :oldlol:


So you think Lebron doesn't practice 3-pointers that much, even though 3-pointers constitute a significant portion of his shot attempts and the Cavs are paying him literally hundreds of millions of dollars?

Sorry bud, but Lebron and the Cavs have a lot of skin in the game - he isn't going to take that many 3-pointers while getting paid millions and NOT practice the shot a ton - especially since we're in the 3-point era where the 3-point shot is integral to every team's offense..

[3ball]

its funny how 3 pointers are suddenly important to you when Curry isnt involved in the discussion


Jordan made up for his inferior 3-point efficiency compared to Curry with far superior midrange (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12373019&postcount=26) efficiency, and far less turnovers - these things gave him superior per possession efficiency (ortg), which is more important than Curry's per-shot efficiency.

Jordan's higher efficiency is remarkable considering he carried a bigger load: he produced a higher proportion of his team's points and assists with far less turnovers, while also carrying a bigger load on defense.

Jordan was superior on both ends, even though Curry's teammates spaced the floor for him, and Jordan's didn't - Jordan's Bulls only attempted 5 threes per game in 1991, compared to 25 per game for today's teams.. Accordingly, his stats would explode in today's spaced-out game.

Just look at Lebron and Westbrook - Jordan has same or better athleticism, but they can't shoot (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12338297&postcount=47), whereas he had goat midrange efficiency, much better than Curry's (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12373019&postcount=26).. Essentially, MJ had Lebron/Westbrook's athleticism with better jumpshooting inside 20 feet than Curry.. yikes... can you say, goat?

[3ball]

Do you really think Jordan never practiced 3 pointers?

He prob didn't practiced as much as post 2010 players but that doesn't mean he didn't at all.


It's amazing how clueless all you guys are.. Teams only attempted 2 three-pointers per game when Jordan entered the league in 1985!!!... So why would he practice 3-pointers?

Otoh, today's teams attempt 25 threes per game, so if he played today, he WOULD be practicing 3-pointers, just like he practiced midrange which he was goat at

furthermore, Jordan said he hated the shot and "didn't want to excel at it"... and when the media was saying drexler was a better 3-point shooter before the 1992 Finals, Jordan said that Drexler was a better 3-point shooter THAN I CHOOSE TO BE... you think i'm making this shit up?... click the links:

Here's Jordan saying he hates 3-pointers (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2CyJdCq-zU&t=0m06s).. Here's Jordan saying Drexler is better at threes than he CHOOSES to be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iuDTsLZUfo&t=6m51s).
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[KingPush]

Just stop, Jordan is ass at 3 pointers just like Lebron but even worse. Quit making excuses for him


Deal with it.

[FKAri]

It's amazing how clueless all you guys are.
Most often said before being admitted into a mental asylum :lol

[3ball]

Quit making excuses for him


It's called context, which you call "excuses" when the facts don't suit you.. But the reality is that teams attempted 2 three-pointers per game when Jordan entered the league in 1985 - so why would Jordan practice the shot?

Contrastingly, midrange shooting was the preferred shot in previous eras, so Jordan practiced midrange and was goat at.. If he played today, he would do the same with the 3-point shot.

So it isn't excuses - it's context - do you think I'm lying about Jordan saying that he "didn't want (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2CyJdCq-zU&t=0m06s) to excel at the shot"?... Do you think I'm lying about Jordan's statement that Drexler was a better 3-point shooter than i CHOOSE to be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iuDTsLZUfo&t=6m51s)??.. do you think i'm making this shit up?.. click the links

[iznogood]

Jordan's higher efficiency is remarkable considering he carried a bigger load: he produced a higher proportion of his team's points and assists with far less turnovers, while also carrying a bigger load on defense.

Isn't Curry's assist to turnover ratio better on bigger volume?

[3ball]

Isn't Curry's assist to turnover ratio better on bigger volume?



Jordan's assist to turnover ratio was 2.3 in 1991, compared to Curry's 2.0 in 2016:



Per 100 Possessions

JORDAN 1991 RS: 42.7 pts.. 8.1 reb..4 7.5 ast.. 3.3 tov.. 3.7 stl.. 1.4 blk.. 60.4 ts.. 125 ORtg.. 31.6 PER.. 0.321 WS/48
CURRY 4 2016 RS: 42.5 pts.. 7.7 reb..4 9.4 ast.. 4.7 tov.. 3.0 stl.. 0.3 blk.. 66.9 ts.. 125 ORtg.. 31.5 PER.. 0.318 WS/48
JORDAN 1991 PO: 41.8 pts.. 8.5 reb.. 11.2 ast.. 3.4 tov.. 3.2 stl.. 1.8 blk.. 60.0 ts.. 127 ORtg.. 32.0 PER.. 0.333 WS/48



For their careers, Curry's assist to turnover ratio is 2.1 compared to Jordan's 2.0, but Jordan scored 30 ppg, compared to Curry's 22 ppg.

Btw, notice how Jordan had higher Player Efficiency Rating and also per-possession efficiency (ortg), which is more important than Curry's per-shot efficiency.. Jordan's higher efficiency was due to superior midrange efficiency (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12373019&postcount=26) and far less turnovers.

Furthermore, Jordan achieved his superior efficiency while carrying a bigger load: he produced a higher proportion of his team's points and assists on less turnovers.. Ultimately, he achieved the highest honors (championship and FMVP) while carrying a bigger load - all this occurred with superior efficiency per possession.. That covers all the bases.

[iznogood]

Jordan's assist to turnover ratio was 2.3 in 1991, compared to Curry's 2.0 in 2016:



Per 100 Possessions

JORDAN 1991 RS: 42.7 pts.. 8.1 reb..4 7.5 ast.. 3.3 tov.. 3.7 stl.. 1.4 blk.. 60.4 ts.. 125 ORtg.. 31.6 PER.. 0.321 WS/48
CURRY 4 2016 RS: 42.5 pts.. 7.7 reb..4 9.4 ast.. 4.7 tov.. 3.0 stl.. 0.3 blk.. 66.9 ts.. 125 ORtg.. 31.5 PER.. 0.318 WS/48
JORDAN 1991 PO: 41.8 pts.. 8.5 reb.. 11.2 ast.. 3.4 tov.. 3.2 stl.. 1.8 blk.. 60.0 ts.. 127 ORtg.. 32.0 PER.. 0.333 WS/48



For their careers, Curry's assist to turnover ratio is 2.1 compared to Jordan's 2.0, but Jordan scored 30 ppg, compared to Curry's 22 ppg.

Btw, notice how Jordan had higher Player Efficiency Rating and also per-possession efficiency (ortg), which is more important than Curry's per-shot efficiency.. Jordan's higher efficiency was due to superior midrange efficiency (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12373019&postcount=26) and far less turnovers.

Furthermore, Jordan achieved his superior efficiency while carrying a bigger load: he produced a higher proportion of his team's points and assists on less turnovers.. Ultimately, he achieved the highest honors (championship and FMVP) while carrying a bigger load - all this occurred with superior efficiency per possession.. That covers all the bases.
TOs don't have anything to do with shooting efficiency though.

Curry's assist to TO career ratio is better on much bigger volume. I think you are wrong saying Jordan produced far less TOs. The volume is also very important. Off course a player that handles and assists more is going to have more TOs when you compare absolute numbers. It's like saying MJ was worse than _______ because he missed more shots. It's a bad argument.

[3ball]

TOs don't have anything to do with shooting efficiency though.


Turnovers have to do with PER POSSESSION efficiency, which is more important than shooting efficiency.

Shooting efficiency FALLS UNDER THE UMBRELLA of per-possession efficiency, and Jordan's per-possession efficiency was higher (despite carrying a larger load on both ends).





Curry's assist to TO career ratio is better on much bigger volume.


Curry's assist to turnover ratio is basically the same (only 0.1 better), on 8 ppg less volume - POINTS per turnover is equally relevant as assists-per-turnover.

You have to remember - Jordan was involved in MORE possessions (usage) at higher efficiency per-possession (ortg) - Jordan simply DID MORE - he gave his team MORE (possessions) of a GOOD THING (efficiency per possession).

[iznogood]

You have to remember - Jordan was involved in MORE possessions (usage) at higher efficiency per-possession (ortg) - Jordan simply DID MORE - he gave his team MORE (possessions) of a GOOD THING (efficiency per possession).
I'm not trying to argue Jordan didn't do more, I only think your criteria in case of TOs is bogus. Per possession numbers favour selfishness and I find that disturbing.

[CTbasketball92]

Indeed - some tough facts to swallow for Lebron fans - the guy practices the 3-point shot super-hard, but only achieves 31% in the playoffs.

That's pathetic.

Otoh, Jordan didn't practice the shot, hated the shot, and felt it took away from his game.. So do you really think that if Jordan worked hard on 3-pointers like Lebron, that he wouldn't shoot FAR better than Lebron's 31% in the playoffs or 34% in RS?

I never really disagree with your points that much, but why are you always trying to bash LeBron in some way shape or form? I never see anyone here actually say LeBron was better than MJ, and I wouldn't really argue that either.

(even though the 2008-2009 Cavs won 66 games with zero all stars without LeBron, and got to the eastern conference finals)

With all that said, I've got no doubt MJ could've been a 38% 3pt shooter at least. There's a pretty strong correlation between mid-range/ft percentage and 3pt shooting. We'll never know, but there should be little doubt that he could've been at least a bit above average if the shot was emphasized more back then.

[inclinerator]

i wouldnt call 100 shots a day working hard

[toprange]

I agree with 3ball. The 3 point shot was relatively new when Jordan arrived to the nba. If it were part of the game while he was developing his skills at a younger age he would have mastered it like he mastered every other skill that he has. If it was as important as it is today while he was in the nba he would have mastered it like he mastered every other skill.

[greymatter]

And his hard work yielded a 31% career mark in the playoffs, and 34% in regular season..

Nonetheless, many posters think Lebron is a BETTER 3-point shooter than Jordan, who didn't practice the shot, hated the shot (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2CyJdCq-zU&t=0m06s), and felt it took away from his game.

Do people really think that if Jordan worked super-hard on 3-pointers like today's player, that he wouldn't shoot FAR better than Lebron's 31% in the playoffs or 34% in RS?

As it stands, he ALREADY shot better than this - he shot 34.5% from the REGULAR line in the playoffs (not the shortened line), which is higher than Lebron's percentages.. Ultimately, Jordan's fundamentally-sound, flawless form (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFGj2LiEFSI&t=9m51s) allowed him to shoot well WHEN NEEDED despite never practicing the shot, while Lebron's horrible form prevents him from shooting well, despite practicing a super-ton.

Keep in mind that Jordan's dislike for 3-pointers resulted in him taking mostly BAILOUT 3-pointers, which suppressed his percentage - he wasn't SEEKING to shoot 3-pointers every game like Lebron and today's player.
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And now we have the retard both cherry picking and flat out lying now. Jordan's career RS 3pt shooting % is 33.2% (not 34%). It is 28.9% if you remove the 94-95 through 96-97 seasons with the shortened line. Any retard can find a smaller sampling size to make up bullshit assertions.

So now the imbecile is now relying on using his playoff %. Grasping at straws here. That or grasping at another cup of Jordan's protein shake and guzzling it down like a queen of deep throating.

Jordan's career 28.9% 3pt shooting percentage puts him in DWade category shittiness (28.4) at shooting 3s. Anyone old enough to remember watching Jordan and who doesn't have a mountain of his jizz in their eyes also remembers that Jordan almost never looked to throw up bailout 3s late in the shot clock --neither early nor late in his career.

[CuterThanRubio]

Who cares, Curry is better than both

[toprange]

Who cares, Curry is better than both
Jordan >>>>>>>>>> Curry

[CuterThanRubio]

Jordan >>>>>>>>>> Curry


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[toprange]

73-9
Post Season accomplishments >>>>>>> Regular Season

[CuterThanRubio]

Post Season accomplishments >>>>>>> Regular Season

I agree

http://a.fssta.com/content/dam/fsdigital/fscom/Buzzer/Images/2015/10/28/stephen-curry.vresize.1200.675.high.47.jpg

You also have to factor in impact on the sport, he changed the entire perspective of how people view the game in a single season, an unmatched feat!