Will Lebron ever win a championship or fmvp without a SUPERTEAM?

[toprange]

Without a superteam:
Jordan (6 rings, 6 fmvp)
Kobe (5 rings, 2 fmvp)
lebron (0 rings, 0 fmvp)

How great is the king :confusedshrug:

[keep-itreal]

not only does he need a super team, he has to hide in the eastern conference to do it

[toprange]

if he wins this year he will remain (0 rings, 0 fmvp) - still a superteam :(

[AintNoSunshine]

Will Magic? Bird? Jordan?

[AintNoSunshine]

if he wins this year he will remain (0 rings, 0 fmvp) - still a superteam :(
A supertam with no other all star:oldlol:

[Im Still Ballin]

Troll detected!

[swagga]

Without a superteam:
Jordan (6 rings, 6 fmvp)
Kobe (5 rings, 2 fmvp)
lebron (0 rings, 0 fmvp)

How great is the king :

:biggums:
:biggums:
:biggums:
:biggums::biggums::biggums:

[Im Still Ballin]

Kobe failed with 2 ULTRA TEAMS

2004

2013

[keep-itreal]

Kobe failed with 2 ULTRA TEAMS

2004

2013

meltdown

[toprange]

Kobe failed with 2 ULTRA TEAMS

2004

2013
You are arguing with old HOF's malone and payton?:wtf: I didn't even conisder Ray Allen and shaq in brans superteams :lol :lol

[Im Still Ballin]

meltdown
freezeup

[NBAGOAT]

so having arguably 2 of the top 3 players in the league isn't a super team(good argument for 01). That's pretty much only happened one other time with Dr.J and Moses and that's considered one of the greatest teams of all time. Ofc that "other guy" Kobe played with also had a peak up there with peak MJ but yea not a superteam.

[toprange]

A supertam with no other all star:oldlol:
Irving and Love are not allstars but lebron is a top 3 all time? :wtf: the bizarro world

[ImKobe]

Kobe failed with 2 ULTRA TEAMS

2004

2013

Both teams were injured :roll:, 2004 Kobe tore his shoulder and Malone injured his knee, 2013 Nash leg/back injury, Howard back injury, Gasol leg injury, Artest torn MCL, Kobe torn achilles

Kobe only need one all-star caliber player to win 5 titles

Lebron needed at least two and even then he was one shot away from only winning ONE.

Hold the L.

[NBAGOAT]

Both teams were injured :roll:, 2004 Kobe tore his shoulder and Malone injured his knee, 2013 Nash leg/back injury, Howard back injury, Gasol leg injury, Artest torn MCL, Kobe torn achilles

Kobe only need one all-star caliber player to win 5 titles

Lebron needed at least two and even then he was one shot away from only winning ONE.

Hold the L.

is this a new narrative. That peak Shaq is just an "all star caliber" player. That's beyond underselling him. I would take a combo of peak Shaq and Smush Parker over 2 normal all stars and I think most people would agree.

[Im Still Ballin]

Both teams were injured :roll:, 2004 Kobe tore his shoulder and Malone injured his knee, 2013 Nash leg/back injury, Howard back injury, Gasol leg injury, Artest torn MCL, Kobe torn achilles

Kobe only need one all-star caliber player to win 5 titles

Lebron needed at least two and even then he was one shot away from only winning ONE.

Hold the L.
Shaq
Rice
Gasol
Bynum
Nash
Howard
Malone
Payton

The
List
Goes
On

You play the injury card, but IGNORE Wade's injuries, Bosh barely putting up 10 point games

Just quit it bro. LeBron is ABOVE Kobe already. It's the general consensus. What you hear at the local park. On the streets. ESPN and SI confirmed it. Kobe is borderline top 10. LeBron is borderline top 5, if not top 3.

The discussion is OVER.

[ImKobe]

Shaq
Rice
Gasol
Bynum
Nash
Howard
Malone
Payton

The
List
Goes
On

You play the injury card, but IGNORE Wade's injuries, Bosh barely putting up 10 point games

Just quit it bro. LeBron is ABOVE Kobe already. It's the general consensus. What you hear at the local park. On the streets. ESPN and SI confirmed it. Kobe is borderline top 10. LeBron is borderline top 5, if not top 3.

The discussion is OVER.

Kobe and Malone were injured and Kobe and Shaq were feuding + Kobe was going to court during the Playoffs.

What's Lebron's excuse for losing in 2011?

vs Dallas

Wade 27/7/5/2 55%
Bosh 19/7 41%
Chalmers 12/4 43%
Haslem 7/5 45%

vs Pistons

Shaq 27/11 60%
Malone 5/7 33%
Payton 4/3 32%
Fisher 6/3 31%


Lebron lost when the rest of his team played well and he was healthy and had no problems off court. He got eliminated on his team home floor putting up 21 points

Chalmers produced more than Fisher and Payton combined :oldlol:, Wade produced more than Shaq and Haslem produced better than Malone, yet his team lost to the Mavs who's best player was a 32 yr old Dirk that shot 42% in the series? :biggums: With Miami BIG 3 "not FOUR NOT FIVE NOT SIX" all being healthy?

**** outta here man :oldlol:

[Im Still Ballin]

LeBron shot 47% in 2011

Wade and Bosh were busy taking all the shots

What about 2004 though?

Yikes!

What about 2008? Yiiikez. 40%

Discussion OVER. LeBron wins.

[Bigsmoke]

Jordan's bulls wasn't a superteam?

They had 2 other HOFers and Toni kukoc

[Im Still Ballin]

Kobe shot 33% in the game 5 elimination in 2004

Yiekz.

[Im Still Ballin]

Kobe (46.2 Minutes Per Game)

22.6 points on 38% FG
2.8 rebounds
4.4 assists
1.8 steals
0.6 blocks[/B]
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Lebron (43.6 Minutes Per Game)

17.8 points on 48% FG
7.2 rebounds
6.8 assists
1.7 steals
0.5 blocks

In 5 games Kobe took 113 shots and made 43 of them.

In 6 games Lebron took 90 shots and made 43 of them.

Kobe had a usage rate of 30.4, highest on his team

Lebron had a usage rate of 22.9, third highest on his team

Both have good supporting casts, but I'd wager it is a slight upper hand in talent to The 04' Lakers... With 4 HOFers to Miam's 3.

So, in conclusion.... Kobe the higher usage rate (Highest on his team), inferior stats despite playing more minutes per game and losing in 5 games compared to Lebron's 6.

Well....

[ImKobe]

LeBron shot 47% in 2011

Wade and Bosh were busy taking all the shots

What about 2004 though?

Yikes!

What about 2008? Yiiikez. 40%

Discussion OVER. LeBron wins.

I just covered 2004, the supporting cast ouside Kobe/Shaq was TRASH, they didn't produce :oldlol:

Chalmers averaged more points on better efficiency than Payton and Fisher COMBINED

Lebron shooting 47% while being a 3rd option on offense is WORSE than Kobe being the #1 option and main focus of a defense and missing long-range jumpers against Tayshaun Prince and Richard Hamilton while injured, he at least did everything he could to give his team a chance to win with being aggressive while Lebron deferred to his teammates and had no idea how to counter the zone defense the Mavs were playing on him, he was forced to shoot long-range jumpers and he flat out choked, Kobe hit a game-tying 3 and won a game in Overtime for his team. Lebron was putting up bagels in 4th quarters, Kobe's team was getting blown out on the road.

Lakers weren't getting any production from Malone and Payton since Payton was done and Malone was injured, Fisher couldn't hit a shot to save his life, look at the production, everyone was shooting 30% outside Shaq, and that's only because of the way the Pistons played defense against the Lakers.

Lakers had no chance in winning their series with the way their team was getting outplayed on the road, Heat choked a double-digit lead at home in that series :oldlol:

[Im Still Ballin]

Lakers would have won in 2004 if Kobe had taken less shots and given Shaq 5-7 more looks

He was shooting 63% 27/11 for godsakes.

[ImKobe]

Kobe (46.2 Minutes Per Game)

22.6 points on 38% FG
2.8 rebounds
4.4 assists
1.8 steals
0.6 blocks[/B]
[/COLOR]

Lebron (43.6 Minutes Per Game)

17.8 points on 48% FG
7.2 rebounds
6.8 assists
1.7 steals
0.5 blocks

In 5 games Kobe took 113 shots and made 43 of them.

In 6 games Lebron took 90 shots and made 43 of them.

Kobe had a usage rate of 30.4, highest on his team

Lebron had a usage rate of 22.9, third highest on his team

Both have good supporting casts, but I'd wager it is a slight upper hand in talent to The 04' Lakers... With 4 HOFers to Miam's 3.

So, in conclusion.... Kobe the higher usage rate (Highest on his team), inferior stats despite playing more minutes per game and losing in 5 games compared to Lebron's 6.

Well....

Kobe was better/more efficient in 4th quarters than Lebron and won his team a game with his shooting in a close game

this is Lebron's 4th quarters

http://i.imgur.com/pSngI.jpg

4/16 25%

Kobe in 4th quarters in 5 games against Pistons

11/26 42%

Kobe's team lost close games with being more efficient than Lebron in 4th quarters because his TEAM did not produce, Pistons could just key in on him because they knew that no one else was going to beat them with everyone shooting 30% and Shaq being a terrible FT shooter.

[toprange]

so having arguably 2 of the top 3 players in the league isn't a super team(good argument for 01). That's pretty much only happened one other time with Dr.J and Moses and that's considered one of the greatest teams of all time. Ofc that "other guy" Kobe played with also had a peak up there with peak MJ but yea not a superteam.
Stop denying all of this. You know very well what we consider superteams. Kobe starting off as a rookie and developing into a superstar does not constitute as a superteam.

[Im Still Ballin]

Propping up 42% in 1 quarter? Aren't you guys the one ripping on LeBron for averaging 40% for the series against GSW on insane volume with no Love or Irving

[ImKobe]

Lakers would have won in 2004 if Kobe had taken less shots and given Shaq 5-7 more looks

He was shooting 63% 27/11 for godsakes.

oh yes, because that worked out well, who you think was shooting the ball other than Kobe? There's only so many looks Shaq was able to get because he also turned the ball over and was met by Ben Wallace and Sheed inside, they could play defense on him when it was needed.

Shaq 8 assists 14 turnovers
Kobe 22 assists 18 turnovers

Game 4 Lakers were tied going into the 4th

Kobe was 3/6
Derek Fisher 0/3
Devean George missed FTs and 3s

Pretty easy to defend Shaq and Kobe when no one else on the team can put up a point, Prince and Hamilton can double Kobe and Sheed/Wallace can deny Shaq the ball.

[Im Still Ballin]

Just throw it down low to Shaq

Clear out Kobe

Stand in the corner and let papa Shaq do his thing

[ImKobe]

Propping up 42% in 1 quarter? Aren't you guys the one ripping on LeBron for averaging 40% for the series against GSW on insane volume with no Love or Irving

It's a comparison between the two players in their respective Finals losses. Lebron had a TEAM around him playing WELL. Wade was playing like a Finals MVP, Bosh was playing like Toronto Bosh, Chalmers was making 3s, Miller was making 3s, what's the problem there?

He got thrown off by a bunch of middle-aged men playing zone against him and daring him to shoot :oldlol:

Kobe faced the GOAT defense on a team where his only option was to either shoot the ball or throw it to Shaq, who did produce but that simply isn't enough when your shooters can't hit anything and the opposing defense can just swarm you without worrying about Derek Fisher or Devean George Gary Payton lighting it up from deep :oldlol:

[Im Still Ballin]

Talk about CHANGING the narrative

Dem Koobe Terds

Lel

[NBAGOAT]

Stop denying all of this. You know very well what we consider superteams. Kobe starting off as a rookie and developing into a superstar does not constitute as forming a superteam.

forming a super team vs being on a superteam is just some arbitrary bullshit you're throwing in. You're basically saying it doesn't matter Kobe had Shaq for 3 rings because he was on the team to begin with but it does for Lebron or someone like KG. Even the people who shout collusion will argue about supporting casts because help is help no matter what.

[ImKobe]

Just throw it down low to Shaq

Clear out Kobe

Stand in the corner and let papa Shaq do his thing

They did that :facepalm

Pistons defense was content with Shaq getting his 20-30 points as long as no one else was able to score against them, according to Chauncey Billups, 2004 Finals MVP starting PG of the Detroit Pistons

[QUOTE]Chauncey Billups, Pistons point guard, 2002-2008, 2013-14: You know, man, I was very, very confident even before we started Game 1 of that series. In our two meetings against them during the season, we had our way with them. We did. With the team we had

[Im Still Ballin]

The Pistons were lucky Kobe sabotaged Shaq's guaranteed 4TH FMVP over bean.

4TH

[ImKobe]

The Pistons were lucky Kobe sabotaged Shaq's guaranteed 4TH FMVP over bean.

4TH

Lakers were a Kobe game-tying 3 away from getting swept in that series man

the 2011 Heat had 3 of the top 10 players in the league in their primes together and choked

Kobe was good enough in 4th quarters of that Pistons series, they just had no help and weren't able to defend the P&R Billups ran with Wallace.

Only way Lakers were going to win that series was if their shooters hit 3s and forced the Pistons not to double Kobe every time down the floor. Payton was trash in the triangle.

[Snarky Narc]

Irving and Love are not allstars but lebron is a top 3 all time? :wtf: the bizarro world
It didn't fit the narrative.

[toprange]

Talk about CHANGING the narrative

Dem Koobe Terds

Lel
But why do you deny all of this. You know what you signed up for rooting for lebron. You know he can form superteams and win rings and fmvps with them, although most of the time that doesn't even happen :lol All I am asking is can he do it without a superteam.:rolleyes:

[ImKobe]

But why do you deny all of this. You know what you signed up for rooting for lebron. You know he can form superteams and win rings and fmvps with them, although most of the time that doesn't even happen :lol All I am asking is can he do it without a superteam.:rolleyes:

He can't. He couldn't even beat Dwight Howard in the Playoffs :oldlol:

[pauk]

You are right Jordan / Kobe (Bird, Magic, Kareem, Shaq, Duncan, Russell aswell) didnt have superteams compared to Lebron... they had GOAT teams and for MUCH longer during their career... a difference there, i see your point... i agree, well said...

[toprange]

forming a super team vs being on a superteam is just some arbitrary bullshit you're throwing in. You're basically saying it doesn't matter Kobe had Shaq for 3 rings because he was on the team to begin with but it does for Lebron or someone like KG. Even the people who shout collusion will argue about supporting casts because help is help no matter what.
Either way that was not a superteam. Kobe and shaq together does not constitute as a superteam. You are spinning that term to take the attention off of lebrons cheap tactics

[pauk]

On a serious note, i wonder how long some of you will be delusional tho (like OP), it just doesnt work after all the proof you have seen on what Lebron has to work with around him / his impact....

Lebron's teams (even the 2006-2009 Cavs) have been called superteams, stacked, infact they were the favorites to win it all you remember?... then he leaves/doesnt play, they immediately go rock bottom... everybody quiet... then he joins a team who is at rock bottom and they immediately are a "superteam, stacked" again, he leaves them now they go rock bottom... everybody quiet again... then he joins a team who is at rock bottom again and they immediately are a "superteam, stacked" again, he has not left this one but when he doesnt play its still clear where that casts level is...

You take out Lebron from this team and its the same exact equivalent of the Kyrie Irving team that was just before Lebron arrived.... meaning a bad team, fighting just to get anywhere close to a 10th-11th seed in the "Leastern Conference" or just fighting to not have the worst record in the NBA....

I can guarantee you that if you put Lebron / especially prime Lebron on the absolute worst team today they will be championship contenders / going to Finals (especially if they are in the East)..... and i can guarantee that team will all of the sudden be called "stacked, superteam" somehow again....

Just accept that Lebrons impact is great and stfu, he is most complete-versatile allround player ever, his load is ridicilous on both ends of the floor, playing & guarding all positions and HE PLAYS THE GAME THE RIGHT WAY.... it may not be fancy, but it is THE most impactful individual gamestyle still to this day that translates most success / does most with the least-whatever he has to work with around him, he exploits/exherts every square inch of the minimal talent he has around him because of that.... stop disrespecting the game of basketball.

[toprange]

He can't. He couldn't even beat Dwight Howard in the Playoffs :oldlol:
:roll:

[toprange]

On a serious note, i wonder how long some of you will be delusional tho (like OP), it just doesnt work after all the proof you have seen on what Lebron has to work with around him / his impact....

Lebron's teams (even the 2006-2009 Cavs) have been called superteams, stacked, infact they were the favorites to win it all you remember?... then he leaves/doesnt play, they immediately go rock bottom... everybody quiet... then he joins a team who is at rock bottom and they immediately are a "superteam, stacked" again, he leaves them now they go rock bottom... everybody quiet again... then he joins a team who is at rock bottom again and they immediately are a "superteam, stacked" again, he has not left this one but when he doesnt play its still clear where that casts level is...

You take out Lebron from this team and its the same exact equivalent of the Kyrie Irving team that was just before Lebron arrived.... meaning a bad team, fighting just to get anywhere close to a 10th-11th seed in the "Leastern Conference" or just fighting to not have the worst record in the NBA....

I can guarantee you that if you put Lebron / especially prime Lebron on the absolute worst team today they will be championship contenders / going to Finals (especially if they are in the East)..... and i can guarantee that team will all of the sudden be called "stacked, superteam" somehow again....

Just accept that Lebrons impact is great and stfu, he is most complete-versatile allround player ever, his load is ridicilous on both ends of the floor, playing & guarding all positions and HE PLAYS THE GAME THE RIGHT WAY.... it may not be fancy, but it is THE most impactful individual gamestyle still to this day that translates most success / does most with the least-whatever he has to work with around him, he exploits/exherts every square inch of the minimal talent he has around him because of that.... stop disrespecting the game of basketball.

is this a setup for lebron to join with Anthony Davis and another superstar and not call it a superteam :lol :facepalm

[ImKobe]

On a serious note, i wonder how long some of you will be delusional tho (like OP), it just doesnt work after all the proof you have seen on what Lebron has to work with around him / his impact....

Lebron's teams (even the 2006-2009 Cavs) have been called superteams, stacked, infact they were the favorites to win it all you remember?... then he leaves/doesnt play, they immediately go rock bottom... everybody quiet... then he joins a team who is at rock bottom and they immediately are a "superteam, stacked" again, he leaves them now they go rock bottom... everybody quiet again... then he joins a team who is at rock bottom again and they immediately are a "superteam, stacked" again, he has not left this one but when he doesnt play its still clear where that casts level is...

You take out Lebron from this team and its the same exact equivalent of the Kyrie Irving team that was just before Lebron arrived.... meaning a bad team, fighting just to get anywhere close to a 10th-11th seed in the "Leastern Conference" or just fighting to not have the worst record in the NBA....

I can guarantee you that if you put Lebron / especially prime Lebron on the absolute worst team today they will be championship contenders / going to Finals (especially if they are in the East)..... and i can guarantee that team will all of the sudden be called "stacked, superteam" somehow again....

Just accept that Lebrons impact is great and stfu, he is most complete-versatile allround player ever, his load is ridicilous on both ends of the floor, playing & guarding all positions and HE PLAYS THE GAME THE RIGHT WAY.... it may not be fancy, but it is THE most impactful individual gamestyle still to this day that translates most success / does most with the least-whatever he has to work with around him, he exploits/exherts every square inch of the minimal talent he has around him because of that.... stop disrespecting the game of basketball.

Bullshit.

When Lebron joined Miami, they also added Bosh and Miller and later on Ray Allen, obviously that team improves a lot and no one denys that Lebron is a superstar that makes a Playoff team a contender when added onto it, that applies to other greats as well.

Obviously the Cavs team go from lottery to contending in the East when you add Lebron James and Kevin Love to the roster on top of JR and Shumpert and Frye and Jefferson.

Cavs were never considered a superteam, we all acknowledged that Lebron was a great player and the team was perfectly built around him for them to win a lot of regular season games, they got exposed in the Playoffs every single year. Even the Atlanta Hawks could win 60 games and make the Conference Finals with Horford as their best player :oldlol:, doesn't take a superteam to do that in the East.

[Knoe Itawl]

It really is funny how Kobe stans live in their own delusional world where they think just because they jerk each other off on message boards that somehow their nonsense is general consensus. Once you get out of Kobetard delusion world, in the real world:

Shaq
Duncan
Lebron

All better. That is the general consensus. Then you have Steph certain to wind up better all time too. If only DWade could've stayed healthy his whole career. He would've shyt on him too. Still, peak Wade > Kobe.

"Future GOAT" ended up being behind FOUR players after Jordan. Pathetic.

The light dims on Kobe more and more each year. Just a selfish, ballhog chucker who was overrated because of his obsession with playing like Jordan, but only being a a far inferior version.

[ImKobe]

It really is funny how Kobe stans live in their own delusional world where they think just because they jerk each other off on message boards that somehow their nonsense is general consensus. Once you get out of Kobetard delusion world, in the real world:

Shaq
Duncan
Lebron

All better. That is the general consensus. Then you have Steph certain to wind up better all time too. If only DWade could've stayed healthy his whole career. He would've shyt on him too. Still, peak Wade > Kobe.

"Future GOAT" ended up being behind FOUR players after Jordan. Pathetic.

The light dims on Kobe more and more each year. Just a selfish, ballhog chucker who was overrated because of his obsession with playing like Jordan, but only being a a far inferior version.

zero facts to back up your claims while I base all my personal opinions on facts and things that actually happened and have been well-documented :biggums:

[Kingwillball]

Both teams were injured :roll:, 2004 Kobe tore his shoulder and Malone injured his knee, 2013 Nash leg/back injury, Howard back injury, Gasol leg injury, Artest torn MCL, Kobe torn achilles

Kobe only need one all-star caliber player to win 5 titles

Lebron needed at least two and even then he was one shot away from only winning ONE.

Hold the L.

Why does Nobody who knows anything about basketball have Kobe ahead of lebron all time except the dillusional Kobe stans ? Arguing that besides having prime Shaq arguably most dominant force in paint of all time plus great role players/ borderline all stars is this great achievement. Lebron would of done same thing on those teams get a clue.

[toprange]

Why does Nobody who knows anything about basketball have Kobe ahead of lebron all time except the dillusional Kobe stans ? Arguing that besides having prime Shaq arguably most dominant force in paint of all time plus great role players/ borderline all stars is this great achievement. Lebron would of done same thing on those teams get a clue.
why do you say this? Lebron has barely proved that he can win with a superteam and now you are saying he can win with a team of only one superstar who constantly got swept in the playoffs? :wtf:

[Lebronxrings]

cavs are a superteam? :rolleyes:

The 2 fake all stars won 0 playoff games without lebron

[jimmy77x]

Bran could never do what Dirk did. Media created all time great player. False superstar who gets his ass handed to him anytime he doesn't have 2 other all stars playing beside him.

[pauk]

*again trying desperately to deny a players impact because that players impact is proven to be better than his favorite player*

https://media.giphy.com/media/l4Ki2obCyAQS5WhFe/giphy.gif

[Knoe Itawl]

zero facts to back up your claims while I base all my personal opinions on facts and things that actually happened and have been well-documented :biggums:

Check my join date. And I was battling with Kobe stans like you back on the old board. I've spent much time breaking down Kobestan "arguments' (which usually mean twisting stats, diminishing other players and just overall being intellectually dishonest when it comes to Bryant).

But that's all over. His career is done. Set in stone. There's on more need for me to go back and forth with Kobe stans. He fell short of all their projections, and despite all of the revisionist history and nonsense, only his cult still hold onto the hype.

Take the ESPN ranking. Now in general, lists are subjective. I found a lot wrong with their list. But here's the thing. All this time stans were trying to tell us that Kobe's undisputedly in the top 10, that thinking anything less was "hating" and all that BS. Come to find out, no a lot of mainstream writers didn't fall for it either. It's just not this "given" that he's thought of so highly that stans tried to pretend it was. The only thing they can say about it is that all these writers were just "hating" on poor widdle Kobe, and that it's a big conspiracy against him. Which, of course, is just more of their denial.

Nah, no need for me to battle with Kobe stans any more. General consensus is:

Shaq
Duncan
Lebron

All above him. Curry coming fo dat ass.

You can type out all the long winded essays about his "greatness" that you like, but it wont' change that.

:pimp:

[pauk]

Also here he is about to have 6 straight ***ing Finals appearances despite going through joining bad teams left & right (they immediately went from bad team to Finals, teams he left went immediately from Finals to bad teams) and all they can focus on is the wish of him losing in Finals "2/6" - "2/7" - "2/8" - "2/100".... its yet another Eastern Conference Championship Trophy in his resume & another title shot... win or lose... THATS what it is.... its what every single team & player wants.... you go ahead and glorify losers instead who would never been to those Finals in his seat due to lesser impact and act like they are more prestigious because they lost before Finals and/or even missed playoffs, just because they didnt tamper with their "x of x in Finals" ratio... stop trying to act like Lebron being 2/2 there would be better, its 4 less Finals appearances or 4 more times of losing earlier than Finals and/or even missing playoffs hence showing LESSER IMPACT... :rolleyes:

[pegasus]

Also here he is about to have 6 straight ***ing Finals appearances despite going through joining bad teams left & right (they immediately went from bad team to Finals, teams he left went immediately from Finals to bad teams) and all they can focus on is the wish of him losing in Finals "2/6" - "2/7" - "2/8" - "2/100".... its yet another Eastern Conference Championship Trophy in his resume & another title shot... win or lose... THATS what it is.... its what every single team & player wants.... you go ahead and glorify losers instead who would never been to those Finals in his seat due to lesser impact and act like they are more prestigious because they lost before Finals and/or even missed playoffs, just because they didnt tamper with their "x of x in Finals" ratio... stop trying to act like Lebron being 2/2 there would be better, its 4 less Finals appearances or 4 more times of losing earlier than Finals and/or even missing playoffs hence showing LESSER IMPACT... :rolleyes:
Let's ignore the fact that he had Bosh and a bunch of shooters join Miami, and Love and a bunch of shooters join Cleveland at the same time as he did.

[coin24]

Also here he is about to have 6 straight ***ing Finals appearances despite going through joining bad teams left & right (they immediately went from bad team to Finals, teams he left went immediately from Finals to bad teams) and all they can focus on is the wish of him losing in Finals "2/6" - "2/7" - "2/8" - "2/100".... its yet another Eastern Conference Championship Trophy in his resume & another title shot... win or lose... THATS what it is.... its what every single team & player wants.... you go ahead and glorify losers instead who would never been to those Finals in his seat due to lesser impact and act like they are more prestigious because they lost before Finals and/or even missed playoffs, just because they didnt tamper with their "x of x in Finals" ratio... stop trying to act like Lebron being 2/2 there would be better, its 4 less Finals appearances or 4 more times of losing earlier than Finals and/or even missing playoffs hence showing LESSER IMPACT... :rolleyes:


Second place is the first loser..


Brans specialty

[Im Still Ballin]

Check my join date. And I was battling with Kobe stans like you back on the old board. I've spent much time breaking down Kobestan "arguments' (which usually mean twisting stats, diminishing other players and just overall being intellectually dishonest when it comes to Bryant).

But that's all over. His career is done. Set in stone. There's on more need for me to go back and forth with Kobe stans. He fell short of all their projections, and despite all of the revisionist history and nonsense, only his cult still hold onto the hype.

Take the ESPN ranking. Now in general, lists are subjective. I found a lot wrong with their list. But here's the thing. All this time stans were trying to tell us that Kobe's undisputedly in the top 10, that thinking anything less was "hating" and all that BS. Come to find out, no a lot of mainstream writers didn't fall for it either. It's just not this "given" that he's thought of so highly that stans tried to pretend it was. The only thing they can say about it is that all these writers were just "hating" on poor widdle Kobe, and that it's a big conspiracy against him. Which, of course, is just more of their denial.

Nah, no need for me to battle with Kobe stans any more. General consensus is:

Shaq
Duncan
Lebron

All above him. Curry coming fo dat ass.

You can type out all the long winded essays about his "greatness" that you like, but it wont' change that.

:pimp:
Ether.

Good shit bro!

:applause:

[scuzzy]

Check my join date. And I was battling with Kobe stans like you back on the old board. I've spent much time breaking down Kobestan "arguments' (which usually mean twisting stats, diminishing other players and just overall being intellectually dishonest when it comes to Bryant).

But that's all over. His career is done. Set in stone. There's on more need for me to go back and forth with Kobe stans. He fell short of all their projections, and despite all of the revisionist history and nonsense, only his cult still hold onto the hype.

Take the ESPN ranking. Now in general, lists are subjective. I found a lot wrong with their list. But here's the thing. All this time stans were trying to tell us that Kobe's undisputedly in the top 10, that thinking anything less was "hating" and all that BS. Come to find out, no a lot of mainstream writers didn't fall for it either. It's just not this "given" that he's thought of so highly that stans tried to pretend it was. The only thing they can say about it is that all these writers were just "hating" on poor widdle Kobe, and that it's a big conspiracy against him. Which, of course, is just more of their denial.

Nah, no need for me to battle with Kobe stans any more. General consensus is:

Shaq
Duncan
Lebron

All above him. Curry coming fo dat ass.

You can type out all the long winded essays about his "greatness" that you like, but it wont' change that.

:pimp:


Slayed Kobe Fam! It's over :cheers:

[Disaprine]

lebron needs so much help, why can't anyone see that! :cry:

[toprange]

Check my join date. And I was battling with Kobe stans like you back on the old board. I've spent much time breaking down Kobestan "arguments' (which usually mean twisting stats, diminishing other players and just overall being intellectually dishonest when it comes to Bryant).

But that's all over. His career is done. Set in stone. There's on more need for me to go back and forth with Kobe stans. He fell short of all their projections, and despite all of the revisionist history and nonsense, only his cult still hold onto the hype.

Take the ESPN ranking. Now in general, lists are subjective. I found a lot wrong with their list. But here's the thing. All this time stans were trying to tell us that Kobe's undisputedly in the top 10, that thinking anything less was "hating" and all that BS. Come to find out, no a lot of mainstream writers didn't fall for it either. It's just not this "given" that he's thought of so highly that stans tried to pretend it was. The only thing they can say about it is that all these writers were just "hating" on poor widdle Kobe, and that it's a big conspiracy against him. Which, of course, is just more of their denial.

Nah, no need for me to battle with Kobe stans any more. General consensus is:

Shaq
Duncan
Lebron

All above him. Curry coming fo dat ass.

You can type out all the long winded essays about his "greatness" that you like, but it wont' change that.

:pimp:

Which begs the question. Will Lebron ever win a championship or fmvp without a SUPERTEAM? For arguments sake, lets call the kobe+shaq teams superteams. Excluding those teams, Kobe still won 2 rings and 2 fmvps without a superstar or multiple stars on his team. That alone puts kobe over lebron, shaq and duncan.

[livinglegend]

Irving and Love are not allstars but lebron is a top 3 all time? :wtf: the bizarro world

Irving and Love DID NOT make the all-star team this year.

[toprange]

Irving and Love DID NOT make the all-star team this year.
But they are undeniably superstars/megastars. Like Anthony Davis, like Derick Rose, Like Melo, Like Cousins (others who miss the playoffs). So we are back to the question again. You can't run from it. You signed up for this :lol :lol

[ShawkFactory]

Which begs the question. Will Lebron ever win a championship or fmvp without a SUPERTEAM? For arguments sake, lets call the kobe+shaq teams superteams. Excluding those teams, Kobe still won 2 rings and 2 fmvps without a superstar or multiple stars on his team. That alone puts kobe over lebron, shaq and duncan.
No, it doesn't.

[Kingwillball]

But they are undeniably superstars/megastars. Like Anthony Davis, like Derick Rose, Like Melo, Like Cousins (others who miss the playoffs). So we are back to the question again. You can't run from it. You signed up for this :lol :lol

Megastar ? Um no lebron Kobe now curry (media driven) and maybe KD are superstars rest are just all stars..

[NBAGOAT]

But they are undeniably superstars/megastars. Like Anthony Davis, like Derick Rose, Like Melo, Like Cousins (others who miss the playoffs). So we are back to the question again. You can't run from it. You signed up for this :lol :lol

the fact that you think Derrick Rose is still a superstar or even a star shows how little you know about basketball.

[toprange]

the fact that you think Derrick Rose is still a superstar or even a star shows how little you know about basketball.
The players that lebron stans have to discredit and throw under the bus in order to boost lebron's status. :facepalm Seperate thread needed for that

[iamgine]

Prime Shaq + Fisher was worth a lot more than Kyrie and Love tbh. So did Pippen + Grant/Rodman + Phil. Or Mchale + Parish.

[NBAGOAT]

The players that lebron stans have to discredit and throw under the bus in order to boost lebron's status. :facepalm Seperate thread needed for that

that's not throwing under the bus, that's just a fact. I'm not a Lebron stan either and Lebron stans do tear other players down but so do Kobe stans like yourself.

[livinglegend]

But they are undeniably superstars/megastars. Like Anthony Davis, like Derick Rose, Like Melo, Like Cousins (others who miss the playoffs). So we are back to the question again. You can't run from it. You signed up for this :lol :lol

No they are not. They have 0 playoffs win without Lebron and they didn't make the all-star game over guys like Millsap, Lowry and Derozan.

[toprange]

that's not throwing under the bus, that's just a fact. I'm not a Lebron stan either and Lebron stans do tear other players down but so do Kobe stans like yourself.
Not to mention having to discredit kobe's accomplishments in order to boost the fake king. And even with his years with shaq discredited, kobe still won 2 rings and 2 fmvps with no superstar or multiple stars on his team. But I'm sure you will find a way to discredit that as well for the fake king. All this blood shed for the fake king (kind of reminds me of a certain TV Show)

[Hey Yo]

Not to mention having to discredit kobe's accomplishments in order to boost the fake king. And even with his years with shaq discredited, kobe still won 2 rings and 2 fmvps with no superstar or multiple stars on his team. But I'm sure you will find a way to discredit that as well for the fake king. All this blood shed for the fake king (kind of reminds me of a certain TV Show)
LeBron did the same.

Pau was 3rd team all-NBA for the 2009 and 2010 titles.

Wade was the same (3rd team) for the 2012 and 2013 titles.

[LebronsHairline]

Lebron coming out with a Cologne called, "Collusion: For Men"

[scuzzy]

Lebron coming out with a Cologne called, "Collusion: For Men"
12be coming out with a perfume "Adultery: By Faber"

[toprange]

LeBron did the same.

Pau was 3rd team all-NBA for the 2009 and 2010 titles.

Wade was the same (3rd team) for the 2012 and 2013 titles.

More blood shed. You stans won't stop. Just digging the knife deeper to protect the fake king. So now wade is on gasol's level? :facepalm Melo has't been on an all-nba team for years but that didn't stop the headlines from a couple months ago on a possible formation of a superteam consisting of melo and lebron. melo is a superstar and so was wade.

[riseagainst]

Lebron couldn't even get it done with Shaq. Kobe won 3 in a row with Shaq.

[Snarky Narc]

No they are not. They have 0 playoffs win without Lebron and they didn't make the all-star game over guys like Millsap, Lowry and Derozan.
We are just going to ignore that Irving missed the all-star game because of injury, and not because of talent?

[Hey Yo]

More blood shed. You stans won't stop. Just digging the knife deeper to protect the fake king. So now wade is on gasol's level? :facepalm Melo has't been on an all-nba team for years but that didn't stop the headlines from a couple months ago on a possible formation of a superteam consisting of melo and lebron. melo is a superstar and so was wade.
One All-NBA teammate for each player... for both titles.

Plus, Pau has a hell of a lot more competition at the forward position than Wade does at Guard when it comes to voting.

[toprange]

One All-NBA teammate for each player... for both titles.

Plus, Pau has a hell of a lot more competition at the forward position than Wade does at Guard when it comes to voting.
Lebron had bosh as well. Bosh wasn't part of the all-nba team the same way Melo isn't part of the all-nba team. But Melo is a superstar so Bosh is a superstar :cheers: to your kind of logic

[Goldrush25]

Will Lebron ever win a championship or fmvp without a SUPERTEAM?

Haha...people are already discrediting LBJ in case he wins this year. Y'all are scared.:oldlol:

[stalkerforlife]

He's too scared to even try.

So hell no.

And it's why he can't realistically be top 10.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Lebrons is getting Pau Gasol production from the third option and 25/5 from Kyrie and yet these stans still have the nerve to act like the 08-10 lakers had anywhere near the amount of help for Kobe that this Cavs team has for Lebron

:roll: :roll:

[TheMarkMadsen]

Kobe averaged anywhere between 9-12 more ppg than his second option during his runs with Gasol and Lebron stans acted like he had a ton of help

Now Lebron doesn't even lead the team in scoring, gets out scored by Kyrie while still getting that 18/10 from Love and these idiots have nothing to say about help or getting carried.

You are all a bunch of hypocrites

:lol :lol

[jimmy77x]

Haha...people are already discrediting LBJ in case he wins this year. Y'all are scared.:oldlol:

Becuase he deserves no credit. He's a career loser without playing on a super team, undeniable facts.

[Hey Yo]

Lebron had bosh as well. Bosh wasn't part of the all-nba team the same way Melo isn't part of the all-nba team. But Melo is a superstar so Bosh is a superstar :cheers: to your kind of logic
Melo's been voted to All -NBA teams whether it be 1st, 2nd or 3rd teams. Bosh was voted in once over his career, 2007... 2nd team All-NBA.

You're reaching and running out of material.

take the L and move on.

[scuzzy]

Becuase he deserves no credit. He's a career loser without playing on a super team, undeniable facts.
Nah, he's actually taken his scrub 06-10 teams deep in playoffs and Kobe couldn't even sniff the playoffs with his (05-07' 12-16)

[SouBeachTalents]

Those Heat teams were not super teams at all during their title runs, especially if you consider the postseason

2012
Wade: 23/5/4 on 46%
Bosh: 14/8/1 on 49%

2013
Wade: 16/5/5 on 46%
Bosh: 12/7/2 on 46%

Wade in 2012 put up really good second option numbers, I think most people would agree, as for the rest. There's nothing remotely extraordinary about Bosh's numbers in 2012, especially when you factor in he missed half the playoffs. And :lol:oldlol::lol at anyone trying to sell 2013 as "superteam" level when besides maybe the '03 Spurs that's the worst production from a second & third option on a championship team since 2000. You want a true superteam, check out the '80's Lakers & Celtics