Pau Gasol a top ten PF of all time? yay or nay

[scuzzy]

If you say nay, list em or swerve

Tim Duncan
Bob Petit
Karl Malone
Kevin Garnett
Dirk Nowitzki
Charles Barkley
Kevin Mchale
Dennis Rodman

With 2 spots left in my top 10, you can easily make cases for Pau Gasol over the likes of Chris Webber, Elvin Hayes for his championships and longevity.

[Dray n Klay]

Top 7 IMO

He was the most efficient and highest PER player and highest Winshares player on a back-to-back championship team



What other big can say that other than Hakeem?:confusedshrug:

[InsanityKills]

Yes, he was robbed of at least one FMVP and was arguably the Lakers best player during the championship runs. His longevity is also a plus.



Scuzzy! What's new in stock bro?

[HenryGarfunkle]

Top 7 IMO

He was the most efficient and highest PER player and highest Winshares player on a back-to-back championship team



What other big can say that other than Hakeem?:confusedshrug:
That alone gives him an argument for top 5. Not to mention his FIBA accomplishments. All that factored in he's clearly top 5

[scuzzy]

Top 7 IMO

He was the most efficient and highest PER player and highest Winshares player on a back-to-back championship team



What other big can say that other than Hakeem?:confusedshrug:
Agreed, also his international performances should also be considered. The guy led the most dominant European team since Yugoslavia was a country, and won a WC, two silver medals and I don't even now how many Euros, all while being the indisputable leader of the team.

[scuzzy]

Yes, he was robbed of at least one FMVP and was arguably the Lakers best player during the championship runs. His longevity is also a plus.



Scuzzy! What's new in stock bro?
Summer time Achilles "gone fishin 5 str8" flops uce :pimp:

[InsanityKills]

Summer time Achilles "gone fishin 5 str8" flops uce :pimp:
Let me get those, do they last long or will they quit on me?

[Dro]

Of course he's top 10..

[scuzzy]

Let me get those, do they last long or will they quit on me?

The Achilles brace breaks in after about 50 shots

[WayOfWad3]

I honestly have no clue, sorry for sucking at adding decent discussion

[TheMarkMadsen]

Oh look the Lebron stans are feeling insecure again.

Anything to take away attention from Irving leading the Cavs/eastern conference in scoring while Love puts up 18/12

[SouBeachTalents]

Bosh is

[Nick Young]

He never won a single playoff game before teaming with Kobe.

[HenryGarfunkle]

He never won a single playoff game before teaming with Kobe.
And Irving/Love never played in a single playoff GAME without LeBron, snitch. :lol

[scuzzy]

He never won a single playoff game before teaming with Kobe.
And 05-16 Kobe won what playoffs without Gasol?:lol

[G0ATbe]

:lol :lol :roll: :roll:

If Gasoft is top 10, Love is top 5.

[TheMarkMadsen]

And 05-16 Kobe won what playoffs without Gasol?:lol


If you look at dates before your mom pushed you out, you'd see that he made 4 finals and won 3 rings.

[imdaman99]

Bosh won more playoff games on his own team than Gasol did. What more needs to be said? :confusedshrug:

[bigkingsfan]

He never won a single playoff game before teaming with Kobe.
At least he made the playoffs.

[PsychoBe]

gasol is definitely not over webber or hayes so you just answered your own quesiton op.

[JohnnySic]

He is not better than Webber. GTFO with that.

[SouBeachTalents]

Duncan
Malone
Barkley
Pettit
KG
Dirk

Those are the unquestioned top 6 PF's of all time imo. In terms of Gasol being top 10, where would you rank him among these players?

Hayes
Webber
Rodman
McHale
DeBusschere

[NBAGOAT]

Duncan
Malone
Barkley
Pettit
KG
Dirk

Those are the unquestioned top 6 PF's of all time imo. In terms of Gasol being top 10, where would you rank him among these players?

Hayes
Webber
Rodman
McHale
DeBusschere

Above Debusschere. lean no towards the rest but they're pretty close.

[GrapeApe]

I'd say yes, he's top 10. Career averages of 18/10/3/2 on 57%TS and a 22 PER. Playoff averages of 17/10/3/2/1 on 56%TS and a 21 PER. 6x all-star, 2x NBA champion, and a stellar international career including a FIBA gold. I don't think there's 10 PF's with a better resume than Gasol's.

On a related note, will his jersey be retired by the Lakers? I know they're a storied franchise with many all-time greats, but Gasol was an all-star and all-NBA player for back to back titles. Very few players in history have that distinction. I'm guessing that all of them have their jerseys retired.

[Bankaii]

He's in that 9-10 range with Rodman imo.
Of course the insecure Kobetards deflect because apparently Kobe didn't have the best front court in the league every time he won a ring.

[jimmy77x]

Oh look the Lebron stan are feeling insecure again.

Anything to take away attention from Irving leading the Cavs/eastern conference in scoring while Love puts up 18/12

You do know op is fudge right? He post with alts and responds to himself with another alt :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Dray n Klay]

You do know op is fudge right? He post with alts and responds to himself with another alt :roll: :roll: :roll:


Fudge has this guy on a LEASH :yaohappy:

[jimmy77x]

Fudge has this guy on a LEASH :yaohappy:

Once again im the one who has your dumbass on a leash, keep replying to most post loser:roll: :roll:

[feyki]

Duncan

KKarl/Barkley/Dirk/Garnett/Elgin/Pettit

Dolph Schayes/Elvin Hayes/Leroy Edwards

..

So , no :confusedshrug: :no:

[GrapeApe]

Duncan

KKarl/Barkley/Dirk/Garnett/Elgin/Pettit

Dolph Schayes/Elvin Hayes/Leroy Edwards

..

So , no :confusedshrug: :no:

Do you really think those guys have better overall basketball resumes than Gasol?

To those who who rank Webber higher, Gasol has a higher career PER in the regular season and playoffs, was much more efficient, a better defender, and has 2 championships. That's not even getting into Gasol's international career. Webber had the better peak but Gasol has had a superior overall career.

[CAstill]

Do you really think those guys have better overall basketball resumes than Gasol?

To those who who rank Webber higher, Gasol has a higher career PER in the regular season and playoffs, was much more efficient, a better defender, and has 2 championships. That's not even getting into Gasol's international career. Webber had the better peak but Gasol has had a superior overall career.


No, he didnt. Kobe had a superior career that let Gasol flourish in accolades but at the end of the day webber was mvp material for a while. He was the better player and his individual impact trumps Gasol's.

[scuzzy]

All the Kobe stans saying nay have yet to make a list :lol

[TheMarkMadsen]

Webber was definitely better.

[feyki]

Do you really think those guys have better overall basketball resumes than Gasol?

To those who who rank Webber higher, Gasol has a higher career PER in the regular season and playoffs, was much more efficient, a better defender, and has 2 championships. That's not even getting into Gasol's international career. Webber had the better peak but Gasol has had a superior overall career.

Resume ?

Had Gasol competitive basketball level in playoffs before Kobe ?

Dolph and Hayes clearly have better longevity . Leroy was the dominator of the world level along 5-6 years while game was playing on first NBL Years , Pau didn't even sniffed that level . Of course , Pau's longevity a lot better than Leroy .

Beside of those guys , Mchale,Pau and McAdoo(he was forward for me ) are same tier in goat wise to me .

[InsanityKills]

Webber was definitely better.
Well using Kobetard calculations, 2>0, so Gasol is obviously better.

[Bankaii]

It's funny how rings (and sidekick rings) are only relevant when Kobe's involved.:oldlol:

[TheMarkMadsen]

Well using Kobetard calculations, 2>0, so Gasol is obviously better.


You could use that argument of Pau had ever led his team deep into the playoffs, finished top 5 in MVP voting, made an all nba first team, had seasons of 27/11 etc. etc.

Webber was just a better player, much better scorer, go to guy on 60 win teams that almost took down the Shaq/Kobe Lakers while Gasol has how many wins in the playoffs as the go to guy?

[scuzzy]

Webber was definitely better.

CWebb's peak was too short, injuries got to him unfortunately.
Pau gets the nod due to longevity, just as many PGs will get the nod over Rose yet Rose's prime was unmatched


Pau was light years better offensively, mainly his arsenal. looking at the stats they are about the same give or take at one point. Pau was better passer. I dont think Cwebb he was a better rebounder but thats really broad and doesnt matter much they both averaged same rebounds. Pau had one of the greatest post up games of all time and could step out to 19 to hit a jumpshot. I really dont see how webber was a better scorer. Emphasis on scorer as in get the ball in the basket yourself.

[TheMarkMadsen]

CWebb's peak was too short, injuries got to him unfortunately.
Pau gets the nod due to longevity, just as many PGs will get the nod over Rose yet Rose's prime was unmatched


Pau was light years better offensively, mainly his arsenal. looking at the stats they are about the same give or take at one point. Pau was better passer. I dont think Cwebb he was a better rebounder but thats really broad and doesnt matter much they both averaged same rebounds. Pau had one of the greatest post up games of all time and could step out to 19 to hit a jumpshot. I really dont see how webber was a better scorer. Emphasis on scorer as in get the ball in the basket yourself.


You don't see how C Web was a better scorer when he had seasons of 27ppg, 25ppg twice, 24ppg, 22ppg and playoff runs of 24ppg through the conference finals while Paus highest ppg in the regular season and playoffs was 21ppg and that was only for one season..

:wtf: :wtf:

[scuzzy]

You don't see how C Web was a better scorer when he had seasons of 27ppg, 25ppg twice, 24ppg, 22ppg and playoff runs of 24ppg through the conference finals while Paus highest ppg in the regular season and playoffs was 21ppg and that was only for one season..

:wtf: :wtf:
He was a better scorer because he could do a lot more on offense. Not only could Pau go at you with a traditional post up/back to the basket but his post game was predicated on his speed and strength. He had a multitude of ways to score in the post. A pretty hookshot, a quick spin, and then you get into his elite face up game.
His face up was much better than Webber's. If Cwebb faces up, it's a jumpshot 90% of the time. Pau outshines here with his ability to put the ball on the ground and take his man off the dribble. And ofcourse, his midrange was damn good too.
But if that doesn't set him apart offensively for you, take into consideration his lethal ability in pick and rolls or pick and pops. Especially the rolls. He could go in and slam it over the defender or drop a slick pass off once a double team stopped him in the paint.

But let's dumb it down even further, Pau has more playoff success, so in Kobe stans logic like yourself: Pau > Cwebb.. No?

[TheMarkMadsen]

You say that Pau was a better scorer because he could do a lot more on offense.. Ok so why didn't he have seasons of 27, 25, 24, 22 etc. etc ppg like Webber did??

Your argument makes zero sense. I doubt you even watched Webber play as he was leading a team that almost beat the 02 Lakers.

[Dray n Klay]

Webber didnt even know what defense was.





Stop it, Gasol was an entire tier better.

[scuzzy]

You say that Pau was a better scorer because he could do a lot more on offense.. Ok so why didn't he have seasons of 27, 25, 24, 22 etc. etc ppg like Webber did??

Your argument makes zero sense.


Is Arenas all time better than Stockton? I mean he had a few higher scoring seasons than John

Longevity is key

[TheMarkMadsen]

Is Arenas all time better than Stockton? I mean he had a few higher scoring seasons than John

Longevity is key


Are we not taking about scoring here? That is what you said right, that Pau was a better scorer, which is what I've been arguing against in the last three post..?

[scuzzy]

Are we not taking about scoring here? That is what you said right, that Pau was a better scorer, which is what I've been arguing against in the last three post..?
So Klove is better than Gasol to? I'm going on your logic (RS PPG)

[Poetry]

I can't believe people have forgotten how good Webber was.

[Kiddlovesnets]

lol at kobestans talking sh*t about Gasol in order to make Kobe look better as he has 'less help'. Come on, without Gasol the Lakers wouldnt have gotten any of these titles.
:roll:

[GrapeApe]

I can't believe people have forgotten how good Webber was.

Webber was great, an MVP candidate at his best. I don't think anyone denies that he peaked higher than Gasol, but Gasol has had a better overall career. I don't think there's any real debate about that. As I mentioned before, Gasol has a higher PER in the regular season and playoffs, much better efficiency, better longevity, and he was a better defender. Even if we ignore Gasol's international career (which we obviously can't), Gasol still has the edge.

In terms of Gasol's titles, could Webber have won back to back titles in Gasol's situation? Possibly, but the fact remains that Gasol actually did it, and he was great in both championship runs.

I'm still curious about the jersey retirement. He was only in LA for 6 1/2 seasons, but I think being an all-star and all-NBA player for back to back titles probably warrants his jeresy being retired. I can't think of any player to have accomplished that who doesn't have their jersey retired by the organization.

[Old Man River]

no he won rings but with Kobe as the best player. To be a top ten pf you need to win rings as the best player on the team.

[Showtime2001]

Oh look the Lebron stans are feeling insecure again.

Anything to take away attention from Irving leading the Cavs/eastern conference in scoring while Love puts up 18/12
:roll: :roll:

[ballinhun8]

Gasol probably is top 10.


But he's not above Rodman.



Rodman's resume is up there with the ATG at his position.

[dankok8]

Duncan
Malone
Garnett
Barkley
Dirk
Pettit
Hayes
McHale
Rodman
Schayes
Lucas

Maybe just barely. He's in the #9-12 range. All of the first eight above are clearly better and it's not even debatable.

[Poetry]

Webber was great, an MVP candidate at his best. I don't think anyone denies that he peaked higher than Gasol, but Gasol has had a better overall career. I don't think there's any real debate about that.

Yeah, I wasn't implying that C-Webb had a better resume than Gasol or Rodman. I just meant on an individual level.

[FKAri]

No, unless you want to go the resume route. He's close tho. Def top 15.

[warriorfan]

lebron stans melting down :roll:

[jstern]

I say yes. He kind of saved Kobe's legacy with the two rings. Imagine where Kobe Bryant would be right now if he only won rings being Shaq's sidekick? He would not have ranked number 12th at all. He probably wouldn't have that many stans, and less people talking about him.

[Showtime2001]

I say yes. He kind of saved Kobe's legacy with the two rings. Imagine where Kobe Bryant would be right now if he only won rings being Shaq's sidekick? He would not have ranked number 12th at all. He probably wouldn't have that many stans, and less people talking about him.
:sleeping :sleeping

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[SpaceJam]

ESPN has him at 9, and we all know that list is the REAL DEAL

But ESPN also has K Love as a top 15ish PF of all time, Cavs win a ring this year, he's gonna be closing in on Gasol

[JebronLames]

Top 5. No debate at all.

[Sakkreth]

Yes he is at around 8.

[Lebron23]

I say yes. He kind of saved Kobe's legacy with the two rings. Imagine where Kobe Bryant would be right now if he only won rings being Shaq's sidekick? He would not have ranked number 12th at all. He probably wouldn't have that many stans, and less people talking about him.

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[robert de niro]

You could use that argument of Pau had ever led his team deep into the playoffs, finished top 5 in MVP voting, made an all nba first team, had seasons of 27/11 etc. etc.

Webber was just a better player, much better scorer, go to guy on 60 win teams that almost took down the Shaq/Kobe Lakers while Gasol has how many wins in the playoffs as the go to guy?
2 rings