Most talented player to never really accomplish anything in the NBA?

[Boogaboog]

Who would you nominate?

[scott0326]

As a Wizards fan ill nominate Gilbert Arenas.. Assuming by accomplishing something you mean winning a championship. If you just mean wasted talent, like say Javale McGee, Darius Miles or Ricky Davis, I take back what I said.

[Dray n Klay]

Kobe

[InsanityKills]

12be
:roll: :roll: :roll:

Fixed for accuracy.

[Nilocon165]

Look at these autists above me thinking they're hilarious :roll:

[VengefulAngel]

Carmelo and James Harden in recent memory.

[raprap]

Chris Paul? I'm a big fan of him tho. He's been really unlucky

[Reggie43]

Carter and McGrady

[VengefulAngel]

Chris Paul? I'm a big fan of him tho. He's been really unlucky

Good call.

[VengefulAngel]

Carter and McGrady


AI?

[tmacattack33]

T-mac, CP3, Stephon Marbury (some if it was his fault though)

[artificial]

Rod Strickland? Probably others more deserving out there, but I think he deserves a mention.


Strickland was always that great PG that seems to be unfairly overlooked by the league constantly. That's despite being a flashy player with decent results on the court. Not that he was clearly deserving of more, but I did feel he was being overlooked often.



Whoa... Just learned from Wikipedia that he is Kyrie Irving's godfather. Didn't know that.

[Lebron23]

Kobe Bryant

Never really accomplish anything without a dominant big men.

[tmacattack33]

AI?

Went to the Finals in 2001

[MJistheGOAT]

Modern: CP3, Carmelo, T Mac
Past: Nique, Gervin, Moncrief

[VengefulAngel]

Rod Strickland? Probably others more deserving out there, but I think he deserves a mention.


Strickland was always that great PG that seems to be unfairly overlooked by the league constantly. That's despite being a flashy player with decent results on the court. Not that he was clearly deserving of more, but I did feel he was being overlooked often.



Whoa... Just learned from Wikipedia that he is Kyrie Irving's godfather. Didn't know that.

It was mentioned in the last game and to be honest I'm not actually surprised that some of Kyrie's moves are eerily similar to Rod Strickland.

I forgot to mention all the players who happened to fall in line in the Jordan era if we are simply judging achievements as not winning a championship although it doesn't seem like we have a clear definition yet.

[Boogaboog]

As a Wizards fan ill nominate Gilbert Arenas.. Assuming by accomplishing something you mean winning a championship. If you just mean wasted talent, like say Javale McGee, Darius Miles or Ricky Davis, I take back what I said.

I'd definitely say anyone who's won a championship or season MVP is disqualified.

[Stringer Bell]

Sadly, Len Bias.

[Boogaboog]

Sadly, Len Bias.



He was selected by the Boston Celtics as the second overall pick in the 1986 NBA Draft on June 17, and died two days later from cardiac arrhythmia induced by a cocaine overdose.

Wikipedia

Jesus christ. :eek: Forgot about him.

[tmacattack33]

It was mentioned in the last game and to be honest I'm not actually surprised that some of Kyrie's moves are eerily similar to Rod Strickland.

I forgot to mention all the players who happened to fall in line in the Jordan era if we are simply judging achievements as not winning a championship although it doesn't seem like we have a clear definition yet.

I'd say never making it past the 2nd round is the bar.

And there are actually many amazing players who never have.

[KiiiiNG]

Gotta be T-Mac, or Kobe post 2010

[artificial]

It was mentioned in the last game and to be honest I'm not actually surprised that some of Kyrie's moves are eerily similar to Rod Strickland.

I forgot to mention all the players who happened to fall in line in the Jordan era if we are simply judging achievements as not winning a championship although it doesn't seem like we have a clear definition yet.
Wooops...Haven't been watching Cavs games at all :hammerhead:

[Born Sinner]

Karl malone

[Stringer Bell]

Wikipedia

Jesus christ. :eek: Forgot about him.

It's always tough to gauge how good a college player would be in the pros, but for what it's worth, Coach K said Jordan and Bias stood out among ACC players.

The guy definitely had terrific elevation on his jumper.

0:57 for one example

https://youtu.be/y4u4MdSGSDo

[bigkingsfan]

Chris Webber, #1 pick and all the hype coming out of college.

[Draz]

Depends. I'd say Chris Paul > Carmelo, but then again Carmelo is more offensively dominant. I'd go with Carmelo.

[PsychoBe]

harold miner. the "baby jordan" name ruined his life :facepalm

[Wally450]

I mean if you want to get technical, Len Bias.

[NLZ]

Kobe Bryant

Never really accomplish anything without a dominant big men.

Wade/Bosh > Pau

[GrapeApe]

Gotta be T-Mac, or Kobe post 2010

Kobe was 32+ years old post 2010 and had already played 15+ years in the league.

Agree with T-Mac though, and Nique is up there as well. He did beat MJ in a dunk contest so I guess that's something.

[SAKOTXA]

Kobe Bryant

Never really accomplish anything without a dominant big men.
You're an idiot

[golden24boy]

Kobe Bryant

Never really accomplish anything without a dominant big men.

At least kobe did it only with one superstar in his team....Lebitsch on the other hand needed 2superstars and 2 most stacked teams in nba history to have a record 2/7 yea 7 i said it

[aj1987]

Kobe
:facepalm :facepalm

Not even funny. Kill yourself.

[ImKobe]

Has to be Elgin Baylor... he had ridiculous numbers in his peak years but didn't have any successful Playoff runs. Peak years of 35/20/5 and 38/19/5 for a 6-5 SF..needed one or two championship runs to cement his legacy.

[robert de niro]

greg oden :(

[IllegalD]

Kobe Bryant

Never really accomplish anything without a dominant big men.

LeBron needed 2 HOF teammates to win his first ring and needed 3 HOF teammates to win his 2nd ring (Wade, Bosh, Ray Allen).

Kobe has won all his rings with only one other HOF teammate on the team (Shaq the first three, Gasol the last 2).

You insecure little b*tchboy. :roll:

Damage control because you know your boyfriend is about to chalk up another finals loss when he finally plays real competition.

:lebroncry: :hammertime: :yaohappy:

[keep-itreal]

Darius Miles.

He's like a homeless Kevin Durant

[DCL]

t-mac

[TheImmortal]

LeBron needed 2 HOF teammates to win his first ring and needed 3 HOF teammates to win his 2nd ring (Wade, Bosh, Ray Allen).

Kobe has won all his rings with only one other HOF teammate on the team (Shaq the first three, Gasol the last 2).

You insecure little b*tchboy. :roll:

Damage control because you know your boyfriend is about to chalk up another finals loss when he finally plays real competition.

:lebroncry: :hammertime: :yaohappy:
Rekt.. :lol

[DCL]

if you've at least won regular season mvp and carried your team to the championship series, you've accomplished "something." maybe not the big thing, but it's still "something."

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

TMac by far. It's not even close
U can count on two hands, maybe even one hand the number of just purelyy more naturally talented players than him in the NBA history, yet he was never really a serious MVP candidate outside one season and didn't get anywhere in the playoffs

[soots]

Javale McGee

McGee has accomplished far far more in the NBA than he should have with the limited BB IQ he has.

He is a hero and pillar of light for all the semi-retarded NBA hopefuls out there

[aj1987]

LeBron needed 2 HOF teammates to win his first ring and needed 3 HOF teammates to win his 2nd ring (Wade, Bosh, Ray Allen).

Kobe has won all his rings with only one other HOF teammate on the team (Shaq the first three, Gasol the last 2).
Kobe is also the only one to not win a ring, twice, with 3 HOF teammates. Shaq, Malone, and, GP in '04 and Howard, Nash, Pau in '13.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Kobe is also the only one to not win a ring, twice, with 3 HOF teammates. Shaq, Malone, and, GP in '04 and Howard, Nash, Pau in '13.
Great avy :applause:
Dirk>>wade :applause:

[aj1987]

Great avy :applause:
Wade shits on _irk :applause:
Agreed. :cheers: :cheers:

[Real14]

Arenas. HM: LeBron.

[Klayup]

My man Baron Davis :(

Shout out to Steve Francis.

Oh and I got another one for you guys saying Gilbert Arenas. What happened to Juan Dixon???

[warriorfan]

Arenas. HM: LeBron.

This

[Wally450]

Arenas. HM: LeBron.

Hater.

[Sakkreth]

Sabonis. GOAT talent.

[$LakerGold]

I feel like we have this topic every 3 months. lmao

[aj1987]

Sabonis. GOAT talent.
He wasn't really a great defender. Would've been a better version of Ewing on offense with worse defense during his prime.

[zeerghit]

He wasn't really a great defender. Would've been a better version of Ewing on offense with worse defense during his prime.

we never saw his prime

[aj1987]

we never saw his prime
True, but even during his prime, he wasn't on Shaq's, Hakeem's, Robinson's, Ewing's, etc. level as a player. He was still a beast in Europe after he left the NBA. EL is extremely inferior compared to the NBA. Yeah, he would be a good, but not a great or GOAT ( as Sakkreth claimed) level player.

[showtime2008]

Due to injury: Mcgrady, Oden, hill, P hardaway

Other reasons: Carter

[fiddy]

Kobe Bryant

Never really accomplish anything without a dominant big men.
Illiterate pinoy midget :roll:

[feyki]

Rafer Alston .

[TheMarkMadsen]

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: @ people naming guys who were all stars.

I'll go with Darius Miles & Dajuan Wagner,

[aj1987]

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: @ people naming guys who were all stars.

I'll go with Darius Miles & Dajuan Wagner,
Agree with your first statement about naming All-Stars.

Do you really think either of them had the actual talent to be great players though?

[Sakkreth]

He wasn't really a great defender. Would've been a better version of Ewing on offense with worse defense during his prime.

He was a good shot blocker with quickness on defense where he used to steal the ball during full court press. He was elite on defense. Worse defense than Ewing? :facepalm And why do u compare him to Ewing at all? :facepalm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAqUQpROBfU

[thefatmiral]

Vince carter, cp and stockton. I feel like AD has the potential to be one of these guys.

[CakeorDeath]

Vince carter, cp and stockton. I feel like AD has the potential to be one of these guys.

Holding all time records in 40% of the major statistical categories, one offensive and one defensive, records that most agree will probably never be broken, doesn't count as accomplishing something?

All this 6'1" 175 lbs guy did, in a game traditionally dominated by men far bigger and more athletic than him, was run one of the most efficient offenses ever, producing the #1 assist player and #2 scorer in history, play elite defense as well (#1 all time in steals), make the playoffs 19 years in a row, win an All-Star MVP, win a gold medal on the unanimous greatest team of all time, be unanimously considered a top 25 player ever, etc. etc.

John Stockton never accomplished anything? God this forum is ring-centric.

:banghead:

[BIZARRO]

Modern: CP3, Carmelo, T Mac
Past: Nique, Gervin, Moncrief

Good list, but in defense of Moncrief.....You try getting past the 80's Sixers, Celtics, and Pistons......But indeed a good list brother

[CakeorDeath]

Surprised Bias was named but not Petrovic.

We have no idea what Bias would have been in the league, because he never played a single game. Petrovic was a legit rising star and had already accomplished pretty much everything you can outside the NBA (Euroleague, Olympics, FIBA). He had a very good chance to do big things in the NBA, but sadly, the world is a motherf**ker sometimes.

[aj1987]

He was a good shot blocker with quickness on defense where he used to steal the ball during full court press. He was elite on defense. Worse defense than Ewing? :facepalm And why do u compare him to Ewing at all? :facepalm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAqUQpROBfU
Vs Madrid... :facepalm

He's not even close to being on Ewing's level defensively.

Let me give you a quick lesson here. Blocks/steals =/= good defense.

[Sakkreth]

Vs Madrid... :facepalm

He's not even close to being on Ewing's level defensively.

Let me give you a quick lesson here. Blocks/steals =/= good defense.

Well yes, he had no competition there at the age of 20. While Madrid wasn't nearly NBA level it was still one of the best teams.
Yes, Sabonis had one if the highest bball IQ for any player, let alone centers. So he obviously played smart defense.

[AirFederer]

Ilt.
Statpadding like crazy in RS, nowhere to be found in PO, when the game is on the line (or Ilt was on the line lol)
5th option for his two rings.

[aj1987]

Well yes, he had no competition there at the age of 20. While Madrid wasn't nearly NBA level it was still one of the best teams.
Yes, Sabonis had one if the highest bball IQ for any player, let alone centers. So he obviously played smart defense.
I'm not denying any of that. Dude could ball for sure. He never even came close to having the GOAT talent. Sure, he was an EL legend, but put him in the NBA and at best, he's be another forgotten C. Ewing is an ATG C defensively and Sabonis, even during his prime, was never on that level.

[bdreason]

Scoring titles, all - star nods, all NBA teams, and other various awards shouldn't be discounted. Saying guys like Harden, CP3, and Melo haven't accomplished anything because they didn't win a championship or MVP is disingenuous.

[G0ATbe]

LeBald. He's literally had the starting lineup of the eastern conference all star team as teammates for the past 6 years. He's accomplished nothing without superteams.

[Euroleague]

we never saw his prime

It was seen in Europe, and he's definitely way overrated today. Cosic was the best European center, not Sabonis. But people claim today that "Sabonis was the best center ever and a 7-3 version Larry Bird."

Those claims come from the NBA's own documentary it made about Sabonis.

[FlashDwyaneWade3]

Kobe Bryant

Never really accomplish anything without a dominant big men.
Shaquille O'Neal never really accomplish anything without a dominant perimeter player.

[Euroleague]

Surprised Bias was named but not Petrovic.

We have no idea what Bias would have been in the league, because he never played a single game. Petrovic was a legit rising star and had already accomplished pretty much everything you can outside the NBA (Euroleague, Olympics, FIBA). He had a very good chance to do big things in the NBA, but sadly, the world is a motherf**ker sometimes.

He never won the Olympics.

He won the EuroBasket once and the World Cup once. But not the Olympics.

[Euroleague]

Vs Madrid... :facepalm

He's not even close to being on Ewing's level defensively.

Let me give you a quick lesson here. Blocks/steals =/= good defense.

Sabonis was a very good defensive player. You clearly never saw him play. He is enormously overrated today and he's the European version of Wilt in that way.

With it being Wilt's tall tales, myths, and legends in USA, and Sabonis' tall tales, myths, and legends in USA and Europe.

Nevertheless, he was a very good defender, and you saying he was not proves that you have no ****ing clue what the hell you are talking about.

[Euroleague]

I'm not denying any of that. Dude could ball for sure. He never even came close to having the GOAT talent. Sure, he was an EL legend, but put him in the NBA and at best, he's be another forgotten C. Ewing is an ATG C defensively and Sabonis, even during his prime, was never on that level.

Sabonis played plenty of years in the NBA idiot.

[KiiiiNG]

Shaquille O'Neal never really accomplish anything without a dominant perimeter player.
What about 2000 where he averaged 38/17 in the finals with his second option shooting 35% for 15ppg?

[Sakkreth]

What about 2000 where he averaged 38/17 in the finals with his second option shooting 35% for 15ppg?

LA had second option that year?

[KiiiiNG]

LA had second option that year?
Not really but that was the second leading scorer.

He was only scoring 23ppg less while being half as efficient. LOL. Dominant though according to another one of those worthless wade stans. :oldlol:

[Disaprine]

pre collusion lebron.

[elementally morale]

Tracy McGrady and Vince Carter. (Haven't read the thread yet.)

[Hey Yo]

He was a good shot blocker with quickness on defense where he used to steal the ball during full court press. He was elite on defense. Worse defense than Ewing? :facepalm And why do u compare him to Ewing at all? :facepalm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAqUQpROBfU
Sabonis and quickness in the same sentence??

:coleman:

[Milbuck]

Not sure. I know for a fact that Spanoulis is the least talented player to never accomplish anything in the NBA, though.

[dirkdiggler41]

Elton Brand.

[Sakkreth]

Sabonis and quickness in the same sentence??

:coleman:

Uhhm before injuries he was quick and athletic.

[Rooster]

Sabonis. GOAT talent.

In Europe he was.:bowdown:

[Mr. Jabbar]

i would say lebron but hes not talented :(

[Sportal]

I've got a feeling that the current players will produce the best player to never accomplish anything.

Would Karl Malone be a good one..?

[JBSptfn]

Sabonis was a very good defensive player. You clearly never saw him play. He is enormously overrated today and he's the European version of Wilt in that way.

With it being Wilt's tall tales, myths, and legends in USA, and Sabonis' tall tales, myths, and legends in USA and Europe.

Nevertheless, he was a very good defender, and you saying he was not proves that you have no ****ing clue what the hell you are talking about.

Also, Sabonis dominated David Robinson at the 1988 Olympics. He was no slouch, and it's too bad he didn't come over four to five years earlier than he did.

[eliteballer]

Also, Sabonis dominated David Robinson at the 1988 Olympics. He was no slouch, and it's too bad he didn't come over four to five years earlier than he did.

He didn't dominate Robinson and he was most likely roided up at the time like tons of other Soviet athletes.

[ImKobe]

I've got a feeling that the current players will produce the best player to never accomplish anything.

Would Karl Malone be a good one..?

Malone might be the greatest player that never won a championship besides Elgin Baylor

at least Malone won multiple MVPs

[aj1987]

Sabonis was a very good defensive player. You clearly never saw him play. He is enormously overrated today and he's the European version of Wilt in that way.

With it being Wilt's tall tales, myths, and legends in USA, and Sabonis' tall tales, myths, and legends in USA and Europe.

Nevertheless, he was a very good defender, and you saying he was not proves that you have no ****ing clue what the hell you are talking about.
I really don't care about Wilt, but as I said, Sabonis was not a good defensive player.


Sabonis played plenty of years in the NBA idiot.
I was talking about his prime, shit for brains.