Chamberlain with 21 KNOWN Playoff Triple Doubles

[LAZERUSS]

Chamberlain had a KNOWN 21 playoff Triple-Doubles, 12 of which were 20 point Triple-Doubles, and 7 of those were 30 point Triple Doubles.

Data is from nbastats.net, and Julizaver, who is also a contributor to nbastats.net...both of which basketball-reference.com now uses in their data.

Here we go...

1.... 3/26/65... 30 pts, 15 rebs, 10 asts
2.... 3/31/65... 38 pts, 26 rebs, 10 blks
3.... 4/4/65.... 33 pts, 31 rebs, 11 blks
4.... 4/13/65... 30 pts, 26 rebs, 13 blks
5.... 3/22/67... 37 pts, 27 rebs, 11 asts
6.... 3/24/67... 16 pts, 30 rebs, 19 asts
7.... 3/31/67... 24 pts, 32 rebs, 13 asts, 12 blks (quad-double)
8.... 4/9/67.... 20 pts, 22 rebs, 10 asts
9.... 4/11/67...29 pts, 36 rebs, 13 asts
10... 4/14/67... 16 pts, 33 rebs, 10 asts
11... 4/16/67... 10 pts, 38 rebs, 10 asts, 10 blks (quad-double)
12... 4/20/69... 16 pts, 29 rebs, 16 blks
13... 4/23/69... 15 pts, 23 rebs, 13 blks
14... 4/5/70.... 36 pts, 14 rebs, 10 blks
15... 4/7/70.... 12 pts, 26 rebs, 11 asts, 11 blks (quad-double)
16... 4/9/70.... 30 pts, 27 rebs, 12 blks
17... 4/19/70... 11 pts, 21 rebs, 10 blks
18... 3/30/71... 12 pts, 23 rebs, 10 blks
19... 4/22/72... 20 pts, 24 rebs, 10 blks
20... 5/7/72.... 24 pts, 29 rebs, 10 blks * (CavsFTW with 8)
21... 4/8/73... 11 pts, 30 rebs, 12 blks

Also, there are recaps that give Wilt with a 39 pt, 30 reb, 11 blk game on 4/16/64 (nbastats.net had him with an estimated 12.)

And I did not include any estimated block data, but there were 17 more games that would have given Chamberlain triple-doubles with the estimated blocked shots. As well as an estimated 20 blocks in his 3/24/67 game of 16-30-19.

Oh, and so far no known data on Wilt's playoff game block totals before his '65 post-season. He may have had a dozen or more playoff games of 10+ blocks, and likely several more 30 point, and 20 point triple-doubles. Maybe even 40 or 50 point triple doubles.

Elias could argue that these blocked shot games were not official, but newspaper recaps have credited Chamberlain with known recorded blocks in those games.

[Bless Mathews]

20 out of 21 confirmed against white players under 210 pounds and smoked non filter cigarettes at half time.

[AirFederer]

Here`s Ilt with his greatest rivaling center :applause:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huF3PFXU-V0

[keep-itreal]

_ilt :applause:

[Asukal]

It is also well known ILt is Russell's b!tch in the playoffs. :oldlol:

[Deuce Bigalow]

Nope. Blocks didn't exist until 1973-74 so those don't count.

;)

[Smoke117]

cool beans tell me moar bro

[JGXEN]

_ilt

[Psileas]

And that's only since 1965. And 8 of them came against Russell or Thurmond, both top 5 one-on-one defenders in NBA history. :bowdown:
If you include all his seasons, he has a chance of being past Magic as the all-time playoff triple double leader (he practically is the all-time regular season triple double leader, as well).

GOAT.

[Mr Feeny]

It is also well known ILt is Russell's b!tch in the playoffs. :oldlol:

:lol

Ilt is 22nd all time in finals points, behind even the Pippen's over the world :lebronamazed:
He's only 18th all time in playoff points as well :lebronamazed:

Wayyy behind LeTHICK in both:lol

[kamil]

Wit's competition:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/2c/05/59/2c05596c51693fe7b5fea47e96626d19.jpg

[feyki]

Nice thread :applause: .

All around Wilt was true choice :applause: .

[LAZERUSS]

And that's only since 1965. And 8 of them came against Russell or Thurmond, both top 5 one-on-one defenders in NBA history. :bowdown:
If you include all his seasons, he has a chance of being past Magic as the all-time playoff triple double leader (he practically is the all-time regular season triple double leader, as well).

GOAT.

And two more against a peak Kareem, and in series-clinching games, as well. In one of them, he blocked 10 shots, and six of them were KAJ's. BTW, in those two series clinching games, Wilt shot 18-33 from the field (.545), while holding Abdul-Jabbar to 23-60 shooting (.383.)

The series clincher against the Hawks in the '64 WDF's was almost a certain triple double, too. I have recaps of 39-30 and between 10-12 blocks.

And again, he most assuredly had another quad-double in game three of the '67 playoffs. Recaps gave him credit for a ton of blocks (and nbastats.net has an estimated 20.)

[LAZERUSS]

:lol

Ilt is 22nd all time in finals points, behind even the Pippen's over the world :lebronamazed:
He's only 18th all time in playoff points as well :lebronamazed:

Wayyy behind LeTHICK in both:lol

Of course, a scoring Wilt just blows Chokurry Zero out of the water as a Warrior. Finals average of 29.2 ppg; playoff average of 34.6 ppg; 36.0 ppg in must win playoff games; the only four 50+ point must-win games by a Top-10 GOAT player; and the Warrior playoff high of 56 points.

Oh, and BTW, virtually everyone, including Barry, himself, would have given the '67 FMVP to Chamberlain, had the ward existed. Think about that...Wilt averaged 17.5 ppg in that Finals, in a series in which Barry averaged 40.8 ppg...and Wilt would have been a unanimous FMVP.

Compare that with 3" LeChoke averaging 35.8 ppg (on a horrific .398 FG% BTW) in last year's Finals...and both he and Chokurry Zero losing out on the FMVP to a role player off the bench. Chokurry ZERO is aptly named.

[Mr Feeny]

Wit's competition:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/2c/05/59/2c05596c51693fe7b5fea47e96626d19.jpgIlt is well and truly pathetic. Can't even outscore Pippen in the finals !:lol

[LAZERUSS]

Ilt is well and truly pathetic. Can't even outscore Pippen in the finals !:lol

:roll: :roll: :roll:

This coming from a fan of LeFlop?

Talk about weak competition...

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/1001/nba_g_james_gb2_576.jpg

Barea's Bitch.

[LAZERUSS]

Chamberlain with a KNOWN FIVE playoff 30+ point, 20+ rebound, Triple-Doubles; and TEN 20+-20+ Triple-Doubles.

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[julizaver]

Chamberlain had a KNOWN 21 playoff Triple-Doubles, 12 of which were 20 point Triple-Doubles, and 7 of those were 30 point Triple Doubles.


Oh, and so far no known data on Wilt's playoff game block totals before his '65 post-season. He may have had a dozen or more playoff games of 10+ blocks, and likely several more 30 point, and 20 point triple-doubles. Maybe even 40 or 50 point triple doubles.




There are at least two more playoff games in my notes prior to 1965 where Wilt alegedly had tripple doubles:

1. 22.03.1962 56 pts 36 rebs 12 blocks 1 asist vs Siracusa in the clinching G5 (after his coach ask Wilt for superhuman perfomance before the game)

2. 16.04.1964 39 pts 30 rebs 12 blocks vs Hawks in G7.


Just looking at your post you miss the 1969 Game 7 where Wilt blocked 10 shots which means another tripple double. And you did not include a game from 1967 Finals where according to his coach Wilt blocked 15 shots.
Off course there are at a lot more games where he had 10+ blocks but we will never know for sure the exact number.

[deja vu]

For a player that "dominant" he can only muster 2 rings.

Inb4 excuses i.e. teammates suck

[Gileraracer]

Chamberlain with 40 known playoff choke jobs

[Psileas]

There are at least two more playoff games in my notes prior to 1965 where Wilt alegedly had tripple doubles:

1. 22.03.1962 56 pts 36 rebs 12 blocks 1 asist vs Siracusa in the clinching G5 (after his coach ask Wilt for superhuman perfomance before the game)

2. 16.04.1964 39 pts 30 rebs 12 blocks vs Hawks in G7.


Just looking at your post you miss the 1969 Game 7 where Wilt blocked 10 shots which means another tripple double. And you did not include a game from 1967 Finals where according to his coach Wilt blocked 15 shots.
Off course there are at a lot more games where he had 10+ blocks but we will never know for sure the exact number.

I knew of the first 2 triple doubles, the first being the highest playoff scoring triple double ever (it's already the 3rd highest playoff scoring game ever), haven't heard that he had 10 blocks in that 1969 Finals game (only game 7 that season). So, that would give him 18/27/10 in a Game 7. What a performer. Too bad only him and West, among the Lakers, were alive during most of that game.

[LAZERUSS]

Chamberlain had a KNOWN 21 playoff Triple-Doubles, 12 of which were 20 point Triple-Doubles, and 7 of those were 30 point Triple Doubles.

Data is from nbastats.net, and Julizaver, who is also a contributor to nbastats.net...both of which basketball-reference.com now uses in their data.

Here we go...

1.... 3/26/65... 30 pts, 15 rebs, 10 asts
2.... 3/31/65... 38 pts, 26 rebs, 10 blks
3.... 4/4/65.... 33 pts, 31 rebs, 11 blks
4.... 4/13/65... 30 pts, 26 rebs, 13 blks
5.... 3/22/67... 37 pts, 27 rebs, 11 asts
6.... 3/24/67... 16 pts, 30 rebs, 19 asts
7.... 3/31/67... 24 pts, 32 rebs, 13 asts, 12 blks (quad-double)
8.... 4/9/67.... 20 pts, 22 rebs, 10 asts
9.... 4/11/67...29 pts, 36 rebs, 13 asts
10... 4/14/67... 16 pts, 33 rebs, 10 asts
11... 4/16/67... 10 pts, 38 rebs, 10 asts, 10 blks (quad-double)
12... 4/20/69... 16 pts, 29 rebs, 16 blks
13... 4/23/69... 15 pts, 23 rebs, 13 blks
14... 4/5/70.... 36 pts, 14 rebs, 10 blks
15... 4/7/70.... 12 pts, 26 rebs, 11 asts, 11 blks (quad-double)
16... 4/9/70.... 30 pts, 27 rebs, 12 blks
17... 4/19/70... 11 pts, 21 rebs, 10 blks
18... 3/30/71... 12 pts, 23 rebs, 10 blks
19... 4/22/72... 20 pts, 24 rebs, 10 blks
20... 5/7/72.... 24 pts, 29 rebs, 10 blks * (CavsFTW with 8)
21... 4/8/73... 11 pts, 30 rebs, 12 blks

Also, there are recaps that give Wilt with a 39 pt, 30 reb, 11 blk game on 4/16/64 (nbastats.net had him with an estimated 12.)

And I did not include any estimated block data, but there were 17 more games that would have given Chamberlain triple-doubles with the estimated blocked shots. As well as an estimated 20 blocks in his 3/24/67 game of 16-30-19.

Oh, and so far no known data on Wilt's playoff game block totals before his '65 post-season. He may have had a dozen or more playoff games of 10+ blocks, and likely several more 30 point, and 20 point triple-doubles. Maybe even 40 or 50 point triple doubles.

Elias could argue that these blocked shot games were not official, but newspaper recaps have credited Chamberlain with known recorded blocks in those games.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12403235&postcount=18


There are at least two more playoff games in my notes prior to 1965 where Wilt alegedly had tripple doubles:

1. 22.03.1962 56 pts 36 rebs 12 blocks 1 asist vs Siracusa in the clinching G5 (after his coach ask Wilt for superhuman perfomance before the game)

2. 16.04.1964 39 pts 30 rebs 12 blocks vs Hawks in G7.


Just looking at your post you miss the 1969 Game 7 where Wilt blocked 10 shots which means another tripple double. And you did not include a game from 1967 Finals where according to his coach Wilt blocked 15 shots.
Off course there are at a lot more games where he had 10+ blocks but we will never know for sure the exact number.

So now we have a KNOWN 24 Playoff Triple Doubles for Chamberlain, 14 of which were 20+ point triple-doubles, and 9 of which were 30+ point triples...including the HIGHEST SCORING POST-SEASON TRIPLE DOUBLE IN NBA HISTORY at a staggering... 56-35-12.

GOAT.

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[LAZERUSS]

I knew of the first 2 triple doubles, the first being the highest playoff scoring triple double ever (it's already the 3rd highest playoff scoring game ever), haven't heard that he had 10 blocks in that 1969 Finals game (only game 7 that season). So, that would give him 18/27/10 in a Game 7. What a performer. Too bad only him and West, among the Lakers, were alive during most of that game.

Chamberlain kicked Russell's ass in that game seven.

18/27/10 on 7-8 from the field (and yes, the highest TS% of anyone in that game at .621.)

Russell... 6 points, on 2-7 from the field (and a .333 TS%), and 21 rebounds.

[LAZERUSS]

There are at least two more playoff games in my notes prior to 1965 where Wilt alegedly had tripple doubles:

1. 22.03.1962 56 pts 36 rebs 12 blocks 1 asist vs Siracusa in the clinching G5 (after his coach ask Wilt for superhuman perfomance before the game)

2. 16.04.1964 39 pts 30 rebs 12 blocks vs Hawks in G7.


Just looking at your post you miss the 1969 Game 7 where Wilt blocked 10 shots which means another tripple double. And you did not include a game from 1967 Finals where according to his coach Wilt blocked 15 shots.
Off course there are at a lot more games where he had 10+ blocks but we will never know for sure the exact number.

As always. Thanks again.

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[julizaver]

I knew of the first 2 triple doubles, the first being the highest playoff scoring triple double ever (it's already the 3rd highest playoff scoring game ever), haven't heard that he had 10 blocks in that 1969 Finals game (only game 7 that season). So, that would give him 18/27/10 in a Game 7. What a performer. Too bad only him and West, among the Lakers, were alive during most of that game.

I posted a link of article also in ISH, but not able to find it at the moment. There were some bashing of Wilt there as mentioned his huge salary (250 000 a year), but also mentioned that he played good in defense - something like that. If I found it again the article I will repost it.

[ClipperRevival]

2nd in regular season scoring - 30.1 ppg
34th in playoff scoring - 22.5
43rd in finals scoring - 18.6

They don't call him the "Big Dipper" or "Wilt" for no reason. It fits. And Laz, all those impressive individual stats you put up for him only means he had terrible games to offset those great ones. :applause:

[LAZERUSS]

2nd in regular season scoring - 30.1 ppg
34th in playoff scoring - 22.5
43rd in finals scoring - 18.6

They don't call him the "Big Dipper" or "Wilt" for no reason. It fits. And Laz, all those impressive individual stats you put up for him only means he had terrible games to offset those great ones. :applause:

A pre-injured Chamberlain up thru his 67-68 season (his prime) averaged 29.3 ppg, 26.3 rpg, 4.8 apg, and shot .520 from the floor (in post-seasons that shot about .435 in that same span) in his 80 playoff games (half of them.) Think about that...basically a 30-27-5 (and likely 7+ bpg)...on FG%'s that weer nearly a full ten percentage points higher than the post-season league averages. AVERAGED a 30-27-5-7! PER GAME.

Now, a post-injury Wilt statistically matched a PEAK Kareem in their '71 post-season H2H, and in fact, recaps had him with a 3-1-1 edge in those five games.

Furthermore, Wilt was outscored by KAJ in their '72 WCF match-up by a 34 ppg to 12 ppg margin...and guess what? TIME Magazine hailed Chamberlain as DECISIVELY OUTPLAYING a 25 year old Kareem in that SERIES. Of course, one of the main reasons being that over the course of the last foru games of that series, Chamberlain held Kareem to a .414 FG%, and then dominated him in the clinching game six win. BTW, in their two series' clinching H2H's, Wilt outshot Kareem from the floor .545 (18-33) to .383 (23-60.)

The REALITY was, Chamberlain DOMINATED even in his lower scoring post-seasons. And, as you would expect, almost all of those occurred after his injury...or 62 of his 160 post-season games.

[ClipperRevival]

You're only confirming what I said above. All those great games were offset by his bad ones. MJ, at the ages of 32-35, 3 peated, won 3 rings, 3 fmvp, 3 regular season mvps and made All-NBA 1st and All-NBA 1st Defense. DSo don't talk about age. For bigs, they age much more gracefully.

Hakeem won his 2 rings when he was 32 and 33. KAJ won FMVP at the age of 37.

Ilt has 2 rings, 1 fmvp. Never led his team in scoring when they won a title. Something was off. Along with Shaq, the league had never seen anyone like him. He was a freak. And he was SUPPOSED to be dominant. Where was he in some playoff series/games when his team needed him most? He lacked that killer instinct inside. He didn't maximize his talents. And I can't accept guys like that. I want guys who did more with less or just guys who maximized their talents versus guys who were blessed with off the charts talents like Ilt and didn't maximize them. He could've done more but he didn't when it mattered most.

[ClipperRevival]

Wilt lost the NCAA championship game. Why? Because he was so good, the team just tried to get him the ball. What did their opponents do? Swarm him and force others to beat them. A great player attracts the attention and sets others guys up, not try to play 1 on 3.

On the flip side, Russell went to a school (University of SF) that hadn't done NOTHING prior to him going there and won 2 NCAA titles. Coincidence? Please. Russell played to win, not put up gaudy individual numbers which might not have been the best for the team.

The same situation stood at the pro level. Wilt was the superior individual talent but Russell was the better winner. In a vacuum, yes, Wilt was superior. He should be. He had 4-5 inches and 50-60 lbs on Russell. And you also factor in the mentality that both brought, Wilt being somewhat aloof and not living bball day and night while Russell tried to get every advantage mentally and physically every time he stepped on the court.

All this stuff matters. It's the little things that separate winners from losers. When you keep on posting individual stats without proper context, it does make me question if you ever played the game while ignoring the mental aspect of the game.

[LAZERUSS]

You're only confirming what I said above. All those great games were offset by his bad ones. MJ, at the ages of 32-35, 3 peated, won 3 rings, 3 fmvp, 3 regular season mvps and made All-NBA 1st and All-NBA 1st Defense. DSo don't talk about age. For bigs, they age much more gracefully.

Hakeem won his 2 rings when he was 32 and 33. KAJ won FMVP at the age of 37.

Ilt has 2 rings, 1 fmvp. Never led his team in scoring when they won a title. Something was off. Along with Shaq, the league had never seen anyone like him. He was a freak. And he was SUPPOSED to be dominant. Where was he in some playoff series/games when his team needed him most? He lacked that killer instinct inside. He didn't maximize his talents. And I can't accept guys like that. I want guys who did more with less or just guys who maximized their talents versus guys who were blessed with off the charts talents like Ilt and didn't maximize them. He could've done more but he didn't when it mattered most.

Chamberlain won a FMVP at age 35. And you are deluding yourself if you don't think Wilt would not have a FMVP in '67 had the award existed (BTW...in a Finals in which Barry averaged 41 ppg.)

Wilt faced RUSSELL... EIGHT TIMES... in his post-season career. And all but one in either round one, or two. BTW, MJ's numbers declined considerably in his four playoff series against the Bad Boys; Shaq's fell off considerably against the Robinson Spurs in his four post-season H2H's,; and Kareem's fell off the cliff in his post-season H2H's against Wilt and Thurmond. Why?

I have posted Wilt's 37 "must win" and "series clinching" games before, and you would be hard-pressed to find 3-4 in which he played poorly. He AVERAGED 29.5 ppg, 26.4 rpg, 4.2 apg, and shot .546 in those 37 games...all while brutalizing his opposing HOF centers. Just KILLED them.

I could go on, but you obviously have done ZERO research on Chamberlain. Why bother?

[LAZERUSS]

Wilt lost the NCAA championship game. Why? Because he was so good, the team just tried to get him the ball. What did their opponents do? Swarm him and force others to beat them. A great player attracts the attention and sets others guys up, not try to play 1 on 3.

On the flip side, Russell went to a school (University of SF) that hadn't done NOTHING prior to him going there and won 2 NCAA titles. Coincidence? Please. Russell played to win, not put up gaudy individual numbers which might not have been the best for the team.

The same situation stood at the pro level. Wilt was the superior individual talent but Russell was the better winner. In a vacuum, yes, Wilt was superior. He should be. He had 4-5 inches and 50-60 lbs on Russell. And you also factor in the mentality that both brought, Wilt being somewhat aloof and not living bball day and night while Russell tried to get every advantage mentally and physically every time he stepped on the court.

All this stuff matters. It's the little things that separate winners from losers. When you keep on posting individual stats without proper context, it does make me question if you ever played the game while ignoring the mental aspect of the game.

Obviously you didn't do any research on Wilt's college career, either. He won the Tournament MVP, on a FAR INFERIOR team, that lost a triple OT game, in which he was defended by 4-5 players the entire game. Russell NEVER faced that in his college career, and BTW, played with TWO future pros on that team.

Furthermore, Wilt missed three games in his junior season due to illness. Guess what? His team lost all three. And because of that, his team failed to make the NCAA tourney.

Oh, and Russell's numbers declined considerably against WILT in his post-season career. Especially his shooting, which dropped enormously. Wilt slaughtered him in scoring, pounded him on the glass, and crushed him in efficiency.

Incidently, Russell built up his post-season numbers almost exclusively against the Lakers in the decade of the 60's. He faced them six times, and the ONE time in which he did nothing...came against WILT.

Now, had Wilt faced those Laker teams even ONCE, he likely would hold every major post-season scoring record. Why? Because he faced them 86 times in the regular season in the decade of the 60's...and had 40 (yes 40) 40+ point games against them, 19 of 50+, 7 of 60+, and even 2 of 70+ (with a high game of 78 ...and 43 rebounds.)

[ClipperRevival]

Chamberlain won a FMVP at age 35. And you are deluding yourself if you don't think Wilt would not have a FMVP in '67 had the award existed (BTW...in a Finals in which Barry averaged 41 ppg.)

Wilt faced RUSSELL... EIGHT TIMES... in his post-season career. And all but one in either round one, or two. BTW, MJ's numbers declined considerably in his four playoff series against the Bad Boys; Shaq's fell off considerably against the Robinson Spurs in his four post-season H2H's,; and Kareem's fell off the cliff in his post-season H2H's against Wilt and Thurmond. Why?

I have posted Wilt's 37 "must win" and "series clinching" games before, and you would be hard-pressed to find 3-4 in which he played poorly. He AVERAGED 29.5 ppg, 26.4 rpg, 4.2 apg, and shot .546 in those 37 games...all while brutalizing his opposing HOF centers. Just KILLED them.

I could go on, but you obviously have done ZERO research on Chamberlain. Why bother?

MJ's stats versus the Pistons:

1988 playoffs (5 games): 27.4 PPG, 8.8 RPG, 4.6 APG, 2.0 SPG, 49% FG
1989 playoffs (6 games): 29.7 PPG, 5.5 RPG, 6.5 APG, 2.0 SPG, 46% FG
1990 playoffs (7 games): 32.1 PPG, 7.1 RPG, 6.3 APG, 2.1 SPG, 47% FG
1991 playoffs (4 games): 29.8 PPG, 5.3 RPG, 7.0 APG, 2.3 SPG, 54% FG

Yeah, such horrible numbers huh?

All you have is individual stats without context. MJ is 6/6 with 6 FMVP. Your man came up short when it mattered most. Everyone knows this. And he had plenty of help starting in 1966-67. You know this, I know. But the truth hurts so you have no choice but to deflect and blame anyone else but the man himself.

Now carry on with your endless individual stats. That's all you got.

[ClipperRevival]

Obviously you didn't do any research on Wilt's college career, either. He won the Tournament MVP, on a FAR INFERIOR team, that lost a triple OT game, in which he was defended by 4-5 players the entire game. Russell NEVER faced that in his college career, and BTW, played with TWO future pros on that team.

Furthermore, Wilt missed three games in his junior season due to illness. Guess what? His team lost all three. And because of that, his team failed to make the NCAA tourney.

Oh, and Russell's numbers declined considerably against WILT in his post-season career. Especially his shooting, which dropped enormously. Wilt slaughtered him in scoring, pounded him on the glass, and crushed him in efficiency.

Incidently, Russell built up his post-season numbers almost exclusively against the Lakers in the decade of the 60's. He faced them six times, and the ONE time in which he did nothing...came against WILT.

Now, had Wilt faced those Laker teams even ONCE, he likely would hold every major post-season scoring record. Why? Because he faced them 86 times in the regular season in the decade of the 60's...and had 40 (yes 40) 40+ point games against them, 19 of 50+, 7 of 60+, and even 2 of 70+ (with a high game of 78 ...and 43 rebounds.)

So basically:

Russell: 2 NCAA titles, 11 NBA titles
Wilt: 0 NCAA titles, 2 NBA titles

Got it.

[LAZERUSS]

MJ's stats versus the Pistons:

1988 playoffs (5 games): 27.4 PPG, 8.8 RPG, 4.6 APG, 2.0 SPG, 49% FG
1989 playoffs (6 games): 29.7 PPG, 5.5 RPG, 6.5 APG, 2.0 SPG, 46% FG
1990 playoffs (7 games): 32.1 PPG, 7.1 RPG, 6.3 APG, 2.1 SPG, 47% FG
1991 playoffs (4 games): 29.8 PPG, 5.3 RPG, 7.0 APG, 2.3 SPG, 54% FG

Yeah, such horrible numbers huh?

All you have is individual stats without context. MJ is 6/6 with 6 FMVP. Your man came up short when it mattered most. Everyone knows this. And he had plenty of help starting in 1966-67. You know this, I know. But the truth hurts so you have no choice but to deflect and blame anyone else but the man himself.

Now carry on with your endless individual stats. That's all you got.

Jordan's regular season numbers were considerably higher...especially against the prime Bad Boys from '88 thru '90.

How about Wilt's against Russell and his swarming teammates?

30.5 ppg
33.6 ppg
29.2 ppg
28.0 ppg
30.1 ppg

21.6 ppg in series in which he and his equal supporting cast just annihilated Russell's eight time defending champs.

BTW, Jordan didn't win shit until he had a roster, that went an injury-decimated 55-27 without him (and with Pippen and Grant missing a combined 22 games.) Easily a 60+ win roster...all basically with Pete Myers replacing MJ.

Without Pippen... 1-9. In his highest scoring regular season...0-3 and blowout losses.

John Wooden said it best...swap Russell and Wilt's supporting casts, and coaches, and it would have been Wilt holding all those rings.

[LAZERUSS]

So basically:

Russell: 2 NCAA titles, 11 NBA titles
Wilt: 0 NCAA titles, 2 NBA titles

Got it.

Wilt with an EQUAL ROSTER to Russell's... 1-0, (actually 4-1, and a mere four points away from a sweep in game four.)

Wooden; Swap rosters and Wilt would have won all those rings.

[julizaver]

2nd in regular season scoring - 30.1 ppg
34th in playoff scoring - 22.5
43rd in finals scoring - 18.6

They don't call him the "Big Dipper" or "Wilt" for no reason. It fits. And Laz, all those impressive individual stats you put up for him only means he had terrible games to offset those great ones. :applause:

I've read all the recaps and can summarize:

Wilt prior to 1967 doesn't have single bad game in the must win games no maters of the stat line. After that he became more of of team player and he was not the scorer he used to be.
You can blame him for whatever you want - attitude, off court distractions, relationships with coaches, but he played hard in those games and did not choked or quit. He made the team last points, he was clutch and he was the best performing player from his team as it should be.

Did Wilt had games where he played under his standards - yes he had for sure, especially when age, injuries start taking there toll. This is happen with every player. BTW Wilt was FMVP two months before turning 36. (About Kareem, Hakeem comparison).

[SpanishACB]

with all these great numbers in a huge deal of playoff games and seeing the amount of rings ilt has I conclude:

stat padder

[ClipperRevival]

Wilt with an EQUAL ROSTER to Russell's... 1-0, (actually 4-1, and a mere four points away from a sweep in game four.)

Wooden; Swap rosters and Wilt would have won all those rings.

You're a freaken buffoon. You bring ZERO objectivity to the table. :rolleyes:

[ClipperRevival]

I've read all the recaps and can summarize:

Wilt prior to 1967 doesn't have single bad game in the must win games no maters of the stat line. After that he became more of of team player and he was not the scorer he used to be.
You can blame him for whatever you want - attitude, off court distractions, relationships with coaches, but he played hard in those games and did not choked or quit. He made the team last points, he was clutch and he was the best performing player from his team as it should be.

Did Wilt had games where he played under his standards - yes he had for sure, especially when age, injuries start taking there toll. This is happen with every player. BTW Wilt was FMVP two months before turning 36. (About Kareem, Hakeem comparison).

You Wilt fans are a joke. You can't concede ANYTHING. It's always someone else's fault. Jesus Christ. You guys are the most dense fans on this board. Maybe it has to do with your age or something but damn. It's like talking to a brick wall. :banghead:

[ClipperRevival]

I'm an MJ fan. I can openly admit that he didn't play optimal ball in his first few years in the league. He didn't know how to make his teammates better yet and tried to do too much himself. And therefore, you can argue he didn't have as much playoff success right off the bat had he played optimal ball. But being able to master the ability to play like a TRUE superstar and know when to take over and when to get others involved takes time. And MJ eventually figured it out.

There, was it that hard? :banghead:

[NBAGOAT]

You Wilt fans are a joke. You can't concede ANYTHING. It's always someone else's fault. Jesus Christ. You guys are the most dense fans on this board. Maybe it has to do with your age or something but damn. It's like talking to a brick wall. :banghead:

tbf he said before 67 which is kind of hard to disagree with. I think Wilt has 2 really black marks. 68 vs Celtics when they were up 3-1 and 69 vs the Celtics in the Finals.

[LAZERUSS]

tbf he said before 67 which is kind of hard to disagree with. I think Wilt has 2 really black marks. 68 vs Celtics when they were up 3-1 and 69 vs the Celtics in the Finals.


'68 EDF's...

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9328011&postcount=14

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9328006&postcount=13

Wilt and his team were decimated by injuries. Incidently, Curry is getting excuses for playing poorly in all but about 10 minutes of this post-season, because of a mild knee sprain that normally takes 1-2 weeks to heal. BTW, Curry took over 2 weeks off.

Chamberlain PLAYED 48 mpg in a seven game EDF's with a TEAR in his calf muscle, which normally requires walking on crutches for a period of time, and then 4-6 weeks of recovery.

Oh, and he averaged 22 ppg, 25 rpg, and 7 apg in that series.

It was a MIRACLE that he not only played, but that he was still a force.


'69?

All you need to know...

His COACH, "When we pass the ball into Wilt he will score. But it is an ugly offense to watch." So, instead he had Baylor shot-jacking the Lakers down in flames.

BTW, in game seven...Chamberlain with 18 points, 27 rebounds, 10 blocks, 7-8 from the field (and 4-13 from the line) for a TS% of .621, which was the highest of anyone playing in that game (Russell's was .333 BTW.)

[AceManIII]

Ilt should have came out of the closet before he died...overcompensating b****

[ClipperRevival]

'68 EDF's...

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9328011&postcount=14

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9328006&postcount=13

Wilt and his team were decimated by injuries. Incidently, Curry is getting excuses for playing poorly in all but about 10 minutes of this post-season, because of a mild knee sprain that normally takes 1-2 weeks to heal. BTW, Curry took over 2 weeks off.

Chamberlain PLAYED 48 mpg in a seven game EDF's with a TEAR in his calf muscle, which normally requires walking on crutches for a period of time, and then 4-6 weeks of recovery.

Oh, and he averaged 22 ppg, 25 rpg, and 7 apg in that series.

It was a MIRACLE that he not only played, but that he was still a force.


'69?

All you need to know...

His COACH, "When we pass the ball into Wilt he will score. But it is an ugly offense to watch." So, instead he had Baylor shot-jacking the Lakers down in flames.

BTW, in game seven...Chamberlain with 18 points, 27 rebounds, 10 blocks, 7-8 from the field (and 4-13 from the line) for a TS% of .621, which was the highest of anyone playing in that game (Russell's was .333 BTW.)

Seek help.

[ClipperRevival]

tbf he said before 67 which is kind of hard to disagree with. I think Wilt has 2 really black marks. 68 vs Celtics when they were up 3-1 and 69 vs the Celtics in the Finals.

I missed the part about pre-1967.

But yes, his two glaring black marks are the two series you mentioned above, ESPECIALLY 1969.

I've seen every documentary there is available on Youtube on this guy and they always have a segment on why he didn't win more. It's a part of his legacy.

And now, let's roll the Laz bullsh*t. :rolleyes: :banghead:

[feyki]

Mel Counts > Wilt Chamberlain in 69 Finals .

[LAZERUSS]

Mel Counts > Wilt Chamberlain in 69 Finals .

Clearly better than Russell then.

[feyki]

Clearly better than Russell then.

Both , Counts and Chamberlain was just shot blocker and finisher at the rim as typical centers .

Russell was floor general of Celtics , on both ; offensively and defensiely . He was versatile defender rather than Wilt , who did try make pressure on every player of opponent team . On ball defence , help defence , transition defence .. And he did setup Celtics' offence with his amazing playmaking ability . He dominated the Game 7 with Hondo . And Wilt lost with 40-10-10 + Jerry West . And Mel Counts came to save them from 103-94 to 103-102 in only two minutes when Wilt get injured . Their coach said "we're doing fine without you " and sit him down for the last two minutes . I wonder what would be more shameful than that .

So , Mel Counts > Wilt Chamberlain .

And Bill Russell . Not a best player of that finals . But he was clearly the third best behind of West and Havlicek , as who were heros of finals .

[NZStreetBaller]

Ilt is well and truly pathetic. Can't even outscore Pippen in the finals !:lol

Correct me if im wrong pippen only went to 6 finals and played behind jordan while wilt was 1st option for 7 finals??

[Psileas]

Both , Counts and Chamberlain was just shot blocker and finisher at the rim as typical centers .

Russell was floor general of Celtics , on both ; offensively and defensiely . He was versatile defender rather than Wilt , who did try make pressure on every player of opponent team . On ball defence , help defence , transition defence .. And he did setup Celtics' offence with his amazing playmaking ability . He dominated the Game 7 with Hondo . And Wilt lost with 40-10-10 + Jerry West . And Mel Counts came to save them from 103-94 to 103-102 in only two minutes when Wilt get injured . Their coach said "we're doing fine without you " and sit him down for the last two minutes . I wonder what would be more shameful than that .

So , Mel Counts > Wilt Chamberlain .

And Bill Russell . Not a best player of that finals . But he was clearly the third best behind of West and Havlicek , as who were heros of finals .

Russell "dominated" to the tune of "holding" Wilt to 7/8 FG, 27 rebounds, 10 blocked shots in 41 minutes, then to Mel Counts coming in to supposedly ">" 18/27/10 Wilt? Nice domination there, buddy...
And, yes, the Lakers were doing fine without Wilt, because they had already been on a roll in those last minutes, with Wilt, so, him going out for a few minutes wasn't initially enough to offset Wilt's absence. Yet, in the end, despite having cut the margin to 1 point and "playing better without Wilt", they still couldn't get the job done. Because the Lakers in the long run were not better without Wilt. If you gave them an extra quarter to play and kept Wilt on the bench, the Celtics would probably re-grow the margin and comfortably win.

[LAZERUSS]

Both , Counts and Chamberlain was just shot blocker and finisher at the rim as typical centers .

Russell was floor general of Celtics , on both ; offensively and defensiely . He was versatile defender rather than Wilt , who did try make pressure on every player of opponent team . On ball defence , help defence , transition defence .. And he did setup Celtics' offence with his amazing playmaking ability . He dominated the Game 7 with Hondo . And Wilt lost with 40-10-10 + Jerry West . And Mel Counts came to save them from 103-94 to 103-102 in only two minutes when Wilt get injured . Their coach said "we're doing fine without you " and sit him down for the last two minutes . I wonder what would be more shameful than that .

So , Mel Counts > Wilt Chamberlain .

And Bill Russell . Not a best player of that finals . But he was clearly the third best behind of West and Havlicek , as who were heros of finals .

Russell the hero of game seven??? :roll: :roll: :roll:

Chamberlain kicked his ass all over the floor.

I knew that Wilt absolutely dominated him in that game seven, but Julizaver added more fuel to the argument this morning. Chamberlain not only poured in 18 points on 7-8 from the floor (and an overall .621 TS%), but he also blocked TEN shots.

Furthermore the 4th quarter of game seven is on YouTube. But, alas, you won't find much of Russell in that footage. He went into HIDING early in the period after he picked up his 5th personal foul. BTW, Wilt had picked up his 5th with a couple of minutes left in the third quarter, and yet continued to dominate the glass and defensively.

Immediately after Russell picked up his 5th, the Lakers went right into Wilt, who went right around the "matador" defense of Russell for an easy layin. However, the idiotic Laker coach, "the Butcher" never called Wilt's number again.

As for the last few minutes...

you failed to mention that from the 10 minute mark, until a little less than the six minute mark, the Lakers knocked TEN points off of a 17 point deficit. That's when Wilt came up lame (BTW, the same leg that he would shred early the very next season.) So, in a span of a little over four minutes, they wiped out 10 points, and then in the last five+ minutes, and with Wilt anchored to the bench by "the Butcher", they could only cut five more points off the margin.

BTW, regarding Wilt's injury (which even the Butcher acknowledged), he had as many rebounds, with the injury...two, in a span of two straight possessions, as Russell did the entire quarter. Overall, and in five minutes less, Wilt outrebounded Russell in the 4th quarter by a 7-2 margin.

As for your boy Counts...he shot 4-13 from the floor in that last game...including a miss at the minute mark, and then a key turnover with less than a minute remaining.

TS%'s in that game seven...

West... .542
Baylor... .408
Counts... .321

Russell... .333

Wilt... .621.

Incidently, here was the idiotic Van Breda Kolff's offensive philosophy...

https://books.google.com/books?id=9BaqPfGcI84C&pg=PA355&lpg=PA355&dq=butch+van+breda+kolff+had+chamberlain+playing+t he+high+post&source=bl&ots=rQxpX4Ys7l&sig=oosFtJ3aB-NUrdTlS-5xi8-eHyI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi70fWD0svKAhVDuYMKHSvWDRgQ6AEIQTAJ#v=on epage&q=butch%20van%20breda%20kolff%20had%20chamberlain% 20playing%20the%20high%20post&f=false

"When we pass the ball into Wilt, he will score. But it is an ugly offense to watch."

So, he had the greatest low post player in NBA history, playing the high post...so that Baylor could freely roam the baselines, and shoot .385 from the field...which was the worst by any Laker in the post-season. Oh, and in three of the losses... 4-18, 2-14, and a game seven of 8-22.

Next...

[feyki]

They went much better w/out Wilt and these fan boys keep excusing :oldlol: .

Pathetic ..

[CavaliersFTW]

Both , Counts and Chamberlain was just shot blocker and finisher at the rim as typical centers .

Russell was floor general of Celtics , on both ; offensively and defensiely . He was versatile defender rather than Wilt , who did try make pressure on every player of opponent team . On ball defence , help defence , transition defence .. And he did setup Celtics' offence with his amazing playmaking ability . He dominated the Game 7 with Hondo . And Wilt lost with 40-10-10 + Jerry West . And Mel Counts came to save them from 103-94 to 103-102 in only two minutes when Wilt get injured . Their coach said "we're doing fine without you " and sit him down for the last two minutes . I wonder what would be more shameful than that .

So , Mel Counts > Wilt Chamberlain .

And Bill Russell . Not a best player of that finals . But he was clearly the third best behind of West and Havlicek , as who were heros of finals .
Jerry West himself would scold you for trying to diminish the story of Wilt and Bredakoffs feud and place this false idea that Chamberlain was outplayed by Counts. The ego and bitterness of a coach that hated Wilt and WANTED to win without him desperately enough to keep him sat is believed by the overwhelming majority of teammates and fans and even the owner of the team to have COST them the game and championship - as such that coach was no longer the Lakers coach, and Chamberlain stayed with the team. Taking them to 3 more Finals trips, and winning a FMVP and a title for the Lakers. Wilt did that, not the coach so don't get it twisted. Chamberlain of course gets half the blame for feuding with the coach in the first place as it was a clash of two men with an ego and different philosophies of how to best be used on the team - but as far as his on court performance? Your version of the story is nonsense. Shameful to try and diminish it and suggest the game was played better without him. Counts hit a few shots in that last 2 minutes, but he had nowhere near the overall presence of Chamberlain, and shots like the one Don Nelson made are EXACTLY the kind of shots a player like Chamberlain (and not a player like Counts) will deter or reject.

[LAZERUSS]

They went much better w/out Wilt and these fan boys keep excusing :oldlol: .

Pathetic ..

Unlike the fading Russell, Chamberlain was a FORCE in that game seven. And your boy Counts flat-out choked in the last minute.

BTW, when West found out that the Butcher had kept Wilt on the bench in the last five minutes, he was furious. VBK knew he was about to be fired, and promptly quit.

As Robert Cherry wrote...

Van Breda Kolff's hatred for Wilt cost the city of Los Angeles their first ever title, and basically cost VBK his coaching career.

Of course, WILT would lead the Lakers to a title a couple of years later.

[LAZERUSS]

Revised...


1. 3/22/62: 56 points, 35 rebounds, 11 blocks
2. 4/16/64: 39 points, 30 rebounds, 12 blocks
3. 3/26/65: 30 pts, 15 rebs, 10 asts
4. 3/31/65: 38 pts, 26 rebs, 10 blks
5. 4/4/65: 33 pts, 31 rebs, 11 blks
6. 4/13/65: 30 pts, 26 rebs, 13 blks
7. 3/22/67: 37 pts, 27 rebs, 11 asts
8. 3/24/67: 16 pts, 30 rebs, 19 asts
9. 3/31/67: 24 pts, 32 rebs, 13 asts, 12 blks (quad-double)
10. 4/9/67: 20 pts, 22 rebs, 10 asts
11. 4/11/67: 29 pts, 36 rebs, 13 asts
12. 4/14/67: 16 pts, 33 rebs, 10 asts
13. 4/16/67: 10 pts, 38 rebs, 10 asts, 10 blks (quad-double)
14. 4/20/69: 16 pts, 29 rebs, 16 blks
15. 4/23/69: 15 pts, 23 rebs, 13 blks
16. 5/5/69: 18 pts, 27 rebs, 10 blks
17. 4/5/70: 36 pts, 14 rebs, 10 blks
18. 4/7/70: 12 pts, 26 rebs, 11 asts, 11 blks (quad-double)
19. 4/9/70: 30 pts, 27 rebs, 12 blks
20. 4/19/70: 11 pts, 21 rebs, 10 blks
21. 3/30/71: 12 pts, 23 rebs, 10 blks
22. 4/22/72: 20 pts, 24 rebs, 10 blks
23. 5/7/72: 24 pts, 29 rebs, 10 blks
24. 4/8/73: 11 pts, 30 rebs, 12 blks[/QUOTE]

24 known Triple-Doubles, 14 of which were 20+ point triple-doubles, including 9 of 30+, and THE highest scoring triple-double in NBA playoff history.

[feyki]

:sleeping What was we were talking about ? :sleeping

These bro's have creativity as f.kk . Don't repeat yourselves .

[sd3035]

According to official stats, Wilt has zero quadruple doubles

According to made up stats, he has lots :applause: :applause: :applause:

[LAZERUSS]

According to official stats, Wilt has zero quadruple doubles

According to made up stats, he has lots :applause: :applause: :applause:

"Official" stats.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

"Officially" the NBA record for blocked shots in a game is 17.

How about an SI article on a nationally televised game in which Chamberlain blocked 23 shots...

http://www.si.com/vault/1969/01/27/559068/on-topbut-in-trouble


So the Lakers walk the ball up the court, get arranged and then, as VBK says, start "to grind it out." The Lakers do not often make 100 points now. "Defense is the thing we're really living on," van Breda Kolff admits, and Chamberlain has been superb, sometimes even awesome, on defense. In a recent game on national television he blocked 23 shots against Phoenix.

Of course, there are many more games in which Chamberlain recorded 20+ blocks, and even some in the 30's.

He has two known 20-20-20 triple doubles, as well.

One is the conventional (and "official") 22 point, 25 rebound, and 21 assist game. And the other was a 34 point, 33 rebound, 20 block game (against HOFer Walt Bellamy BTW.)

[LAZERUSS]

:sleeping What was we were talking about ? :sleeping

These bro's have creativity as f.kk . Don't repeat yourselves .

It always amazes me with the "bashers" here.

On any topic involving Chamberlain...they immediately claim "choker" or "loser", or "30-22-18" (without any context BTW.)

Then, when an actual knowledgeable poster points out just how CLUTCH, and DOMINANT he was in his post-season play...then they inevitably bring up his '69 Finals...as if to show that that was how he ALWAYS played in the post-season.

The REALITY was, that was the WORST series in Wilt's entire post-season career. And even then, he still outplayed a Top-5 GOAT.

Of course, it was his COACH who limited him in that post-season, and it was his COACH with a variety of BLUNDERS, that cost that team a title.

And the one constant with Chamberlain was that he ALWAYS played brilliant DEFENSE. Both one-on-one, and in rim protection.

I have posted the numbers before, but he was holding Russell to series of .399, .397, .386, and even .356 shooting. He was holding Thurmond to series of .392, .373, and even .343. He held Bellamy, in a season in which Bells shot .541 against the league, to a .421 series. And of course, he held a peak Kareem, in seasons in which he shot .577 and .574 against the league... to .481 and .457 (and .414 in the last four games.) And all while consistently blocking 7+ shots per game.

On top of all of that, he was NEVER outrebounded by an opposing center in ANY of his 29 post-season series (EIGHT of which were against RUSSELL.) He was outrebounded in ONE of those 29, in a four game series, in which a PF outrebounded him by a 21.0 rpg to 20.0 rpg. When the two met again a few years later as CENTERS, a 35 year old Wilt, playing 47 mpg in that series, outrebounded a 31 year old Lucas, playing 46 mpg, by a 23.2 rpg to 9.8 rpg margin.

And, of course, a peak Chamberlain averaged 30.4 ppg, with 27.0 rpg, and 4.5 apg...on a .515 FG% (in post-seasons that shot about .425 in that same span), and probably with at least 7 blocks per game. In a span of 67 games. Think about that... a string of 67 consecutive games, in which Chamberlain AVERAGED a 30-27-5-7 stat-line, while shooting nearly ten percentage points above the post-season league average...AND, all while slaughtering his HOF peers in scoring, rebounding, blocked shots, and holding them BELOW the post-season league eFG%.

A "scoring" Wilt AVERAGED 33 ppg in his playoff career. Included were post-season runs of 33 ppg, 35 ppg, 35 ppg, and 37 ppg, And included in those were playoff series of 37 ppg, 37 ppg, 39 ppg, and 39 ppg. And included in those 52 games were 11 games of 40+, including FOUR of 50+.

And he wasn't just crushing "average" NBA centers in those games, either. He had series against RUSSELL of 28 ppg, 29 ppg, 30 ppg, 31 ppg, and 34 ppg.

He was dragging last place rosters to within an eyelash of beating the greatest dynasty in NBA history, and when he finally had an EQUAL roster, and that was healthy, he DESTROYED the GOAT dynasty (and RUSSELL.)

[feyki]

It always amazes me with the "bashers" here.

On any topic involving Chamberlain...they immediately claim "choker" or "loser", or "30-22-18" (without any context BTW.)

Then, when an actual knowledgeable poster points out just how CLUTCH, and DOMINANT he was in his post-season play...then they inevitably bring up his '69 Finals...as if to show that that was how he ALWAYS played in the post-season.

The REALITY was, that was the WORST series in Wilt's entire post-season career. And even then, he still outplayed a Top-5 GOAT.

Of course, it was his COACH who limited him in that post-season, and it was his COACH with a variety of BLUNDERS, that cost that team a title.

And the one constant with Chamberlain was that he ALWAYS played brilliant DEFENSE. Both one-on-one, and in rim protection.

I have posted the numbers before, but he was holding Russell to series of .399, .397, .386, and even .356 shooting. He was holding Thurmond to series of .392, .373, and even .343. He held Bellamy, in a season in which Bells shot .541 against the league, to a .421 series. And of course, he held a peak Kareem, in seasons in which he shot .577 and .574 against the league... to .481 and .457 (and .414 in the last four games.) And all while consistently blocking 7+ shots per game.

On top of all of that, he was NEVER outrebounded by an opposing center in ANY of his 29 post-season series (EIGHT of which were against RUSSELL.) He was outrebounded in ONE of those 29, in a four game series, in which a PF outrebounded him by a 21.0 rpg to 20.0 rpg. When the two met again a few years later as CENTERS, a 35 year old Wilt, playing 47 mpg in that series, outrebounded a 31 year old Lucas, playing 46 mpg, by a 23.2 rpg to 9.8 rpg margin.

And, of course, a peak Chamberlain averaged 30.4 ppg, with 27.0 rpg, and 4.5 apg...on a .515 FG% (in post-seasons that shot about .425 in that same span), and probably with at least 7 blocks per game. In a span of 67 games. Think about that... a string of 67 consecutive games, in which Chamberlain AVERAGED a 30-27-5-7 stat-line, while shooting nearly ten percentage points above the post-season league average...AND, all while slaughtering his HOF peers in scoring, rebounding, blocked shots, and holding them BELOW the post-season league eFG%.

A "scoring" Wilt AVERAGED 33 ppg in his playoff career. Included were post-season runs of 33 ppg, 35 ppg, 35 ppg, and 37 ppg, And included in those were playoff series of 37 ppg, 37 ppg, 39 ppg, and 39 ppg. And included in those 52 games were 11 games of 40+, including FOUR of 50+.

And he wasn't just crushing "average" NBA centers in those games, either. He had series against RUSSELL of 28 ppg, 29 ppg, 30 ppg, 31 ppg, and 34 ppg.

He was dragging last place rosters to within an eyelash of beating the greatest dynasty in NBA history, and when he finally had an EQUAL roster, and that was healthy, he DESTROYED the GOAT dynasty (and RUSSELL.)

Nothing changed , zero vision over there .

Playmaking >>>>> Points


Defence also includes on ball and help defence . Of course , you couldn't know those , your god had not even a little bit of those in his play .

[julizaver]

Wilt lost the NCAA championship game. Why? Because he was so good, the team just tried to get him the ball. What did their opponents do? Swarm him and force others to beat them. A great player attracts the attention and sets others guys up, not try to play 1 on 3.

I supposed he did exaclty that - he shot only 13 times (6-13), while his teamates combine shot 9-34. I think the full game is on youtube.


On the flip side, Russell went to a school (University of SF) that hadn't done NOTHING prior to him going there and won 2 NCAA titles. Coincidence? Please. Russell played to win, not put up gaudy individual numbers which might not have been the best for the team.

Russell played to win in the way he is best at, by playing defense - he can't be the primary offensive weapon although his college stats are very impresive in that department. Still for me the GOAT college player is Lew Alcindor. Just as a note University of SF were 1949 champions, but it doesn't change anything.


The same situation stood at the pro level. Wilt was the superior individual talent but Russell was the better winner. In a vacuum, yes, Wilt was superior. He should be. He had 4-5 inches and 50-60 lbs on Russell. And you also factor in the mentality that both brought, Wilt being somewhat aloof and not living bball day and night while Russell tried to get every advantage mentally and physically every time he stepped on the court.

I am glad you admitted it, but we all shall agree that both Russell and Wilt were not born the athletes they were - they worked to developed their abilities. If Chamberlain was stronger than his opponents and can ran faster, jump higher it is because of the work he put on, not that he was born like this. It is advantage he build in the gym and shall took credit for this, not just "he was taller and stronger and that's why he should dominate and win everything". Example - a lot of fans argued vs Shaq that he was just some big fat boy who could do only dunking and play 3 feet around the rim as if it is easy to have 7 foot 340 pounds body and do the stuff Shaq do. About Wilt bein aloof, what persons and teamates were Russell, Kareem ... MJ, Kobe ?


All this stuff matters. It's the little things that separate winners from losers. When you keep on posting individual stats without proper context, it does make me question if you ever played the game while ignoring the mental aspect of the game.

I am agree with that, especcially with the bolded part. The little things like teamates, coach, the system under which you are playing and so on. Basketball is team sport not one on one game. The teams won the chips, not the individual player. Russell was paid to defend the rim and Wilt was paid to score - that is what both players do. Russell could not outplay Wilt for a series, it was imposible. But his teams outplayed Wilt's most of the time - simple as that.

[AirFederer]

Bla bla bla excuses

[PsychoBe]

op with 21 known suicide attempts

[MiseryCityTexas]

Mel Counts > Wilt Chamberlain in 69 Finals .

Mel Counts is related to UFC Fighter Chael Sonnen.

[sd3035]

That's more than his known Finals PPG :applause: :applause:

[MiseryCityTexas]

Mel Counts > Wilt Chamberlain in 69 Finals .


Both Wilt and Russell were better than Mel Counts in 69. Russell averaged 19 reb a game at the tail end of his career.:oldlol: and Wilt avg 20 and 21 in 69. Way better than Counts.

[feyki]

Both Wilt and Russell were better than Mel Counts in 69. Russell averaged 19 reb a game at the tail end of his career.:oldlol: and Wilt avg 20 and 21 in 69. Way better than Counts.

I was talking about Game 7 . If you want , watch 4th quarter of that game ; and come again .

[LAZERUSS]

nbastat.net has yet another 20+ point triple double...

Game seven of the '62 EDF's... 22-22- and 12 blocks.

Bringing his KNOWN total to 25 playoff triple doubles.
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Proctor]

nbastat.net has yet another 20+ point triple double...

Game seven of the '62 EDF's... 22-22- and 12 blocks.

Bringing his KNOWN total to 25 playoff triple doubles.
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
And THAT is something LeSHRIVEL will never pass.

[Hey Yo]

nbastat.net has yet another 20+ point triple double...

Game seven of the '62 EDF's... 22-22- and 12 blocks.

Bringing his KNOWN total to 25 playoff triple doubles.
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
Not surprised considering anyone can scribble out the scoresheet and change the numbers to whatever they want em' to say.

If they didn't want to scribble something out that was wrong, they just said F it cause that would look bad.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cx5F6ThXAAAdO40.jpg

http://001-jk-files.s3.amazonaws.com/images/boxscores/196011240PHW.jpg

http://001-jk-files.s3.amazonaws.com/images/boxscores/196004070STL.jpg

[LAZERUSS]

Not surprised considering anyone can scribble out the scoresheet and change the numbers to whatever they want em' to say.

If they didn't want to scribble something out that was wrong, they just said F it cause that would look bad.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cx5F6ThXAAAdO40.jpg

http://001-jk-files.s3.amazonaws.com/images/boxscores/196011240PHW.jpg

http://001-jk-files.s3.amazonaws.com/images/boxscores/196004070STL.jpg

Yep...you won't see that happen in today's NBA, right?

Like Shaq's 24-28-15 game...which was, in REALITY, a 24-21-8 game.

[Hey Yo]

I didn't see a boxscore scribbled out and changed on Shaq's game.


Needless to say, today's stats are kept much tighter than they were back in the 60's. Barely any footage then to watch and challenge alleged "official stats"

[dankok8]

To be honest it would be nice if the authors on NBAstats.net kept more track of their sources. Saying "Long Beach Press-Telegram" isn't good enough. They really should have the issue and page number so other researchers can confirm it. I'm not saying this data isn't true just that it's hard to verify. And like a few people pointed out, many stats weren't even recorded and there are no tapes so even the published numbers of unofficial stats are iffy.

Anyways in the 1970 postseason he allegedly had four games of 10+ blocks which makes his zero blocks and total defensive disappearance in Game 7 even more inexcusable. You can't blame injuries when he was crushing other opponents earlier in the same playoffs.

[Psileas]

Lazeruss, did you check those nice stats they added for the '69 Finals? Wilt is thought as having averaged 7.7 blocks in his, oh, so "sucky" '69 series and around 8 during the whole postseason.


I didn't see a boxscore scribbled out and changed on Shaq's game.


Needless to say, today's stats are kept much tighter than they were back in the 60's. Barely any footage then to watch and challenge alleged "official stats"

Correct. And knowing how people root against Goliath winning, maybe Wilt had 12 rings and multiple 100 point games after all.

[LAZERUSS]

1. 3/22/62... 56 pts, 36 rebs, 12 blks Game 5 of 5 game series
2. 4/5/62... 22 pts, 22 rebs, 12 blks Game 7
3. 4/16/64... 39 pts, 30 rebs, 12 blks. Game 7
4. 3/26/65... 30 pts, 15 rebs, 10 asts
5. 3/31/65... 38 pts, 26 rebs, 10 blks Clincher
6. 4/4/65.... 33 pts, 31 rebs, 11 blks
7. 4/13/65... 30 pts, 26 rebs, 13 blks
8. 3/22/67... 37 pts, 27 rebs, 11 asts
9. 3/24/67... 16 pts, 30 rebs, 19 asts
10. 3/31/67... 24 pts, 32 rebs, 13 asts, 12 blks (quad-double)
11. 4/9/67.... 20 pts, 22 rebs, 10 asts
12. 4/11/67...29 pts, 36 rebs, 13 asts Clincher
13. 4/14/67... 16 pts, 33 rebs, 10 asts
14. 4/16/67... 10 pts, 38 rebs, 10 asts, 10 blks (quad-double)
15. 4/20/69... 16 pts, 29 rebs, 16 blks
16. 4/23/69... 15 pts, 23 rebs, 13 blks
17. 5/5/69... 18 pts, 27 rebs, 10 blks Game 7
18. 4/5/70.... 36 pts, 14 rebs, 10 blks
19. 4/7/70.... 12 pts, 26 rebs, 11 asts, 11 blks (quad-double)
20. 4/9/70.... 30 pts, 27 rebs, 12 blks Game 7
21. 4/19/70... 11 pts, 21 rebs, 10 blks Clincher
22. 3/30/71... 12 pts, 23 rebs, 10 blks
23. 4/22/72... 20 pts, 24 rebs, 10 blks Clincher (and against KAJ)
24. 5/7/72.... 24 pts, 29 rebs, 10 blks * (CavsFTW with 8) Clincher
25. 4/8/73... 11 pts, 30 rebs, 12 blks


BTW, everyone acknowledges that Wilt's '69 post season was his worst, especially his Finals... BUT, thanks to the Long Beach Examiner and the LA Examiner...we now KNOW that Chamberlain blocked 150 shots in his 17 playoff games (8.8 bpg)...and in his Finals... 54 in 7 games (7.7 bpg.)

[LAZERUSS]

NBAstats.net doesn't have Wilt with 10 blocks in 1969 Game 7 vs. Boston. Overall he's credited there with 23 games of 10+ blocks, not 25 games. And to be honest it would be nice if the authors kept more track of their sources. Saying "Long Beach Press-Telegram" isn't good enough. They really should have the issue and page number so researchers can confirm it. I'm not saying this data isn't true just that it's hard to verify. And like a few people pointed out, many stats weren't even recorded and there are no tapes so even the published numbers of unofficial stats are iffy.

Anyways in the 1970 postseason he allegedly had four games of 10+ blocks which makes his zero blocks and total defensive disappearance in Game 7 even more inexcusable. You can't blame injuries when he was crushing other opponents earlier in the same playoffs.

Check again my friend.

10 blocks in game seven of the '69 Finals.

[LAZERUSS]

]Lazeruss, did you check those nice stats they added for the '69 Finals? Wilt is thought as having averaged 7.7 blocks in his, oh, so "sucky" '69 series and around 8 during the whole postseason[/B].



Correct. And knowing how people root against Goliath winning, maybe Wilt had 12 rings and multiple 100 point games after all.

You just beat me to it.

I posted all of his known Playoff Triple Doubles and right after that his '69 playoff block numbers (7.7 bpg in his Finals... and 8.8 bpg overall...in his 17 playoff games.)

[dankok8]

You just beat me to it.

I posted all of his known Playoff Triple Doubles and right after that his '69 playoff block numbers (7.7 bpg in his Finals... and 8.8 bpg overall...in his 17 playoff games.)

Can you post the source for these block averages?

Heck NBAstats has block tallies from some games listed as estimates but then counts them in another document.

[dankok8]

Check again my friend.

10 blocks in game seven of the '69 Finals.

Ya I misread it. They had four games labelled as a "finals game".

[LAZERUSS]

To be honest it would be nice if the authors on NBAstats.net kept more track of their sources. Saying "Long Beach Press-Telegram" isn't good enough. They really should have the issue and page number so other researchers can confirm it. I'm not saying this data isn't true just that it's hard to verify. And like a few people pointed out, many stats weren't even recorded and there are no tapes so even the published numbers of unofficial stats are iffy.

Anyways in the 1970 postseason he allegedly had four games of 10+ blocks which makes his zero blocks and total defensive disappearance in Game 7 even more inexcusable. You can't blame injuries when he was crushing other opponents earlier in the same playoffs.

Oh of course. After all this is WILT we are talking about, right. He is held to a MUCH higher standard than anyone else.

Here was a Wilt...ONLY FOUR MONTHS AFTER MAJOR KNEE SURGERY...putting up a 23-24 .625 Finals...but getting ripped for not blocking any shots in a game seven.

I have already pointed out the FLOP JOBS that players like a HEALTHY MJ, and KAJ put up in clinching series games, and following huge prior games. BUT, yes, Jordan gets excused for following up a 63 point playoff game with an 19 point game in a blowout loss; or KAJ following his brilliant game six of the '74 Finals, with a POS game seven, on his home floor, in a blowout loss, and getting outplayed by a foul-plagued Cowens in the process.

But again...this was WILT. Even on one leg he was EXPECTED to put up 45-27 games on 20-27 shooting in EVERY ONE of them.

[dankok8]

Oh of course. After all this is WILT we are talking about, right. He is held to a MUCH higher standard than anyone else.

Here was a Wilt...ONLY FOUR MONTHS AFTER MAJOR KNEE SURGERY...putting up a 23-24 .625 Finals...but getting ripped for not blocking any shots in a game seven.

I have already pointed out the FLOP JOBS that players like a HEALTHY MJ, and KAJ put up in clinching series games, and following huge prior games. BUT, yes, Jordan gets excused for following up a 63 point playoff game with an 19 point game in a blowout loss; or KAJ following his brilliant game six of the '74 Finals, with a POS game seven, on his home floor, in a blowout loss, and getting outplayed by a foul-plagued Cowens in the process.

But again...this was WILT. Even on one leg he was EXPECTED to put up 45-27 games on 20-27 shooting in EVERY ONE of them.

I was just saying you can't make an injury excuse for Wilt's poor defense in Game 7. He had four games that postseason with 10+ blocks and yet ZERO in that game.

Anyways, can you post some sources for his block totals? Like 7.7 bpg average in 1969...

[LAZERUSS]

Can you post the source for these block averages?

Heck NBAstats has block tallies from some games listed as estimates but then counts them in another document.

Both the LA Herald Examiner and the Long Beach Press Examiner.

And no, I don't question those at nbastats.net. They have access to Google News Archives, as well as MANY other sources.

And no, I didn't include ANY of his "estimates"...although even some of them claim things like "at least 20 blocks." BTW, he likely had a MASSIVE QUAD DOUBLE on 3/24/67...his "estimated" blocks were 20, and recaps in other sources have had him with around that number, or a 16 point, 30 reb, 19 asst, 20 blk game.

[Hey Yo]

I'm sure at the score keepers table they were able to use the many tv monitors available to watch replays and see if Wilt actually blocked a shot.

Maybe they watched the replay on the jumbo-tron above??

Or maybe he just guessed and said F*ck it.....it was a block, go Wilt!!

[dunksby]

Elgin Baylor averaged 28 rebounds per game, go watch the footage and count them if you doubt.

[LAZERUSS]

I'm sure at the score keepers table they were able to use the many tv monitors available to watch replays and see if Wilt actually blocked a shot.

Maybe they watched the replay on the jumbo-tron above??

Or maybe he just guessed and said F*ck it.....it was a block, go Wilt!!

Actually that was what happened in Shaq's "15 Block" game.

https://lamarmatic.com/2015/08/19/an-unnecessary-breakdown-of-the-shaky-15-blocks-by-shaq/

MAYBE 10 blocks, and more likely only 8.

[Hey Yo]

Actually that was what happened in Shaq's "15 Block" game.

https://lamarmatic.com/2015/08/19/an-unnecessary-breakdown-of-the-shaky-15-blocks-by-shaq/

MAYBE 10 blocks, and more likely only 8.
Would you mind linking up full game footage from the game below so I can break the game down when I get time?



BTW, Wilt likely had a MASSIVE QUAD DOUBLE on 3/24/67...his "estimated" blocks were 20, and recaps in other sources have had him with around that number, or a 16 point, 30 reb, 19 asst, 20 blk game.

Thanks

[LAZERUSS]

Would you mind linking up full game footage from the game below so I can break the game down when I get time?




Thanks

Sure. If you can provide me footage of all 271 of Chamberlain's 40+ point NBA games. Hell, give me full footage from just ONE.

BTW, SI confirmed that Wilt blocked 23 shots in a NATIONALLY TELEVISED game on 12/25/68.

http://www.si.com/vault/1969/01/27/559068/on-topbut-in-trouble


So the Lakers walk the ball up the court, get arranged and then, as VBK says, start "to grind it out." The Lakers do not often make 100 points now. "Defense is the thing we're really living on," van Breda Kolff admits, and Chamberlain has been superb, sometimes even awesome, on defense. In a recent game on national television he blocked 23 shots against Phoenix.

[LAZERUSS]

Ya I misread it. They had four games labelled as a "finals game".

BTW, I have said it before...

While you and I disagree on many points, I do respect your opinions. You do your research. You are one of the few here that does.

[LAZERUSS]

For those that are late to the party...


1. 3/22/62... 56 pts, 35 rebs, 12 blks Game 5 of 5 game series
2. 4/5/62... 22 pts, 22 rebs, 12 blks Game 7
3. 4/16/64... 39 pts, 30 rebs, 12 blks. Game 7
4. 3/26/65... 30 pts, 15 rebs, 10 asts
5. 3/31/65... 38 pts, 26 rebs, 10 blks Clincher
6. 4/4/65.... 33 pts, 31 rebs, 11 blks
7. 4/13/65... 30 pts, 26 rebs, 13 blks
8. 3/22/67... 37 pts, 27 rebs, 11 asts
9. 3/24/67... 16 pts, 30 rebs, 19 asts
10. 3/31/67... 24 pts, 32 rebs, 13 asts, 12 blks (quad-double)
11. 4/9/67.... 20 pts, 22 rebs, 10 asts
12. 4/11/67...29 pts, 36 rebs, 13 asts Clincher
13. 4/14/67... 16 pts, 33 rebs, 10 asts
14. 4/16/67... 10 pts, 38 rebs, 10 asts, 10 blks (quad-double)
15. 4/20/69... 16 pts, 29 rebs, 16 blks
16. 4/23/69... 15 pts, 23 rebs, 13 blks
17. 5/5/69... 18 pts, 27 rebs, 10 blks Game 7
18. 4/5/70.... 36 pts, 14 rebs, 10 blks
19. 4/7/70.... 12 pts, 26 rebs, 11 asts, 11 blks (quad-double)
20. 4/9/70.... 30 pts, 27 rebs, 12 blks Game 7
21. 4/19/70... 11 pts, 21 rebs, 10 blks Clincher
22. 3/30/71... 12 pts, 23 rebs, 10 blks
23. 4/22/72... 20 pts, 24 rebs, 10 blks Clincher (and against KAJ)
24. 5/7/72.... 24 pts, 29 rebs, 10 blks * (CavsFTW with 8) Clincher
25. 4/8/73... 11 pts, 30 rebs, 12 blks

9 triple doubles with 30+ points, including an unfathomable 56-35-12 game.

15 triple doubles with at least 20 points.

9 triple doubles with at least 30+ rebounds, with a high of 38.

23 triple doubles with at least 20+ rebounds.

13 triple doubles of at least 20 points and 20 rebounds.

3 triple doubles of at least 30 points and 30 rebounds.

5 triple doubles in "at the limit" games (4 in game seven's and another in a game five of a best-of-five series.)

9 triple doubles in series clinching games.

[dankok8]

If we are to trust these unofficial stats by the way, Bill Russell has 17 playoff triple double games. That's behind Wilt's 25 but not that much and we know Russell's defense was about a lot more than blocked shots.

Russell also had a few games where he had double digit blocks but didn't get double digit points! :lol

[Hey Yo]

Sure. If you can provide me footage of all 271 of Chamberlain's 40+ point NBA games. Hell, give me full footage from just ONE.
All, so there is no footage or replay for scorekeepers or today's media to watch and confirm during the game of any stats that any player put up back then?


BTW, SI confirmed that Wilt blocked 23 shots in a NATIONALLY TELEVISED game on 12/25/68.
Well, if SI confirmed going by what the scorekeeper wrote, who had no access to replay, tv monitors or able to watch game footage later......I guess that means Wilts stats are exact right...... :oldlol:

[Marchesk]

AWell, if SI confirmed going by what the scorekeeper wrote, who had no access to replay, tv monitors or able to watch game footage later......I guess that means Wilts stats are exact right...... :oldlol:

It's reasonable to think Wilt did have a few games like that given his other crazy numbers which were counted, the pace of the games, with no three point line. And even if they weren't all accurate, Wilt was still putting up much bigger numbers than anyone else (granted Russell was close in rebounds and probably blocks).

A 23 block game for a Wilt, Russell or Thurmond in the 60s sounds doable. What is the official record, 17? Totally doable.

[Psileas]

All, so there is no footage or replay for scorekeepers or today's media to watch and confirm during the game of any stats that any player put up back then?


Well, if SI confirmed going by what the scorekeeper wrote, who had no access to replay, tv monitors or able to watch game footage later......I guess that means Wilts stats are exact right...... :oldlol:

Who has his stats kept "exact right"? Nobody does. It doesn't necessarily mean his stats are inflated due to this, at least among opponent city scorekeepers. E.g, Wilt was credited with 12 rebounds in that 1972 regular season game at Milwaukee that exists online, yet, if you watch the game, the real number is more like 17 (as many as Kareem got, although they credited him with 20). For better or worse, though, all that counts is what has been officially measured, not what is accurate and right.
Btw, that nationally televised 23 blocked shot game supposedly hasn't gone fully extinct (or at least hadn't, up to like 12-15 years ago). At least if my memory serves me correctly, an APBR member had claimed he had "recently" (back in the early 2000's) watched that game, although he didn't provide any info or video, so, take it as you want. It's not as if every now and then some "lost" game isn't ever re-surfaced (e.g, 1973 Finals, G5) or that absolutely nobody kept any kind of video archives back then, so, who knows.

[LAZERUSS]

If we are to trust these unofficial stats by the way, Bill Russell has 17 playoff triple double games. That's behind Wilt's 25 but not that much and we know Russell's defense was about a lot more than blocked shots.

Russell also had a few games where he had double digit blocks but didn't get double digit points! :lol

:applause: :applause: :applause:

Russell's IMPACT is well known. Not only that, but he put up some solid offensive series in his career, including multiple 20-20-6 .500+ Finals...and probably all with 7-8+ bpg.

He had better scoring and efficiency Finals in his career than D-Rob and Ewing. With far better rebounding and defensive impact.

[LAZERUSS]

Who has his stats kept "exact right"? Nobody does. It doesn't necessarily mean his stats are inflated due to this, at least among opponent city scorekeepers. E.g, Wilt was credited with 12 rebounds in that 1972 regular season game at Milwaukee that exists online, yet, if you watch the game, the real number is more like 17 (as many as Kareem got, although they credited him with 20). For better or worse, though, all that counts is what has been officially measured, not what is accurate and right.
Btw, that nationally televised 23 blocked shot game supposedly hasn't gone fully extinct (or at least hadn't, up to like 12-15 years ago). At least if my memory serves me correctly, an APBR member had claimed he had "recently" (back in the early 2000's) watched that game, although he didn't provide any info or video, so, take it as you want. It's not as if every now and then some "lost" game isn't ever re-surfaced (e.g, 1973 Finals, G5) or that absolutely nobody kept any kind of video archives back then, so, who knows.

All of this is 100% correct. Which is not much different than TODAY's NBA, where players are routinely gifted assists and rebounds. Hell, as was noted by TWO posters here, Shaq's "24-28-15" game was more like a 24-21-8 game.

Furthermore, and again as you noted, Wilt was often SHORT-CHANGED. Harvey Pollack, THE greatest statistician in NBA history, actually caught Boston score-keepers crediting Russell with considerably more rebounds, and Wilt with considerably less, than what actually occurred. In fact, he then had a writer from SI (I believe it was SI), count the rebounds in one game...one-by-one for both, and Russell's margin of 35-22 was almost completely the opposite.

We do KNOW, however, that the SCORING was correct, and amazingly, FG/FGAs and FT/FTAs, as well. In fact, Julizaver caught a FG/FGA error (it was just a typo BTW) in one of the Wilt-Russell H2H's, and, after adjusting a 12-38 down to the actual 12-30, it matched Wilt's seasonal totals to the exact amount.

Another thing...we do have FOOTAGE of partial games, as well, and in those we can SEE Chamberlain putting up impressive block totals. Albeit, his 10 blocks in game five of the '72 Finals only has 8. So, yes, we could probably remove that game from Wilt's 25 listed playoff triple-doubles. Of course, if we had block totals from all of his playoff games, he likely would hold all of the playoff triple-double (and quad-double) records.

[LAZERUSS]

Who has his stats kept "exact right"? Nobody does. It doesn't necessarily mean his stats are inflated due to this, at least among opponent city scorekeepers. E.g, Wilt was credited with 12 rebounds in that 1972 regular season game at Milwaukee that exists online, yet, if you watch the game, the real number is more like 17 (as many as Kareem got, although they credited him with 20). For better or worse, though, all that counts is what has been officially measured, not what is accurate and right.
Btw, that nationally televised 23 blocked shot game supposedly hasn't gone fully extinct (or at least hadn't, up to like 12-15 years ago). At least if my memory serves me correctly, an APBR member had claimed he had "recently" (back in the early 2000's) watched that game, although he didn't provide any info or video, so, take it as you want. It's not as if every now and then some "lost" game isn't ever re-surfaced (e.g, 1973 Finals, G5) or that absolutely nobody kept any kind of video archives back then, so, who knows.

If I recall...I remember not only reading about this, but that the APBR member actually CONFIRMED all 23 blocked shots in that footage.

[aj1987]

Choking statpadding career loser. The mental midget, Ilt Chokerlain.

[Big164]

Almost 6 Decades later Chamberlain still The GOAT. From his 1959 rookie year to now he's been in the discussion,

I'll be shocked if LEbron makes it 6 years

[dankok8]

:applause: :applause: :applause:

Russell's IMPACT is well known. Not only that, but he put up some solid offensive series in his career, including multiple 20-20-6 .500+ Finals...and probably all with 7-8+ bpg.

He had better scoring and efficiency Finals in his career than D-Rob and Ewing. With far better rebounding and defensive impact.

You rarely ever acknowledge how great Russell was that this was a fresh change. Russell is a GOAT candidate as much as Wilt is. I know many people look at individual dominance but you can't just look past the 11 titles and the intangible impact.