I always told myself I would never be the old man ranting "today's music sucks"

[~primetime~]

But watching the Billboard Music Awards last night...holy fck today's shit is awful...has music ever been in a worse place?

Just one glitter covered talentless pop star in skinny jeans after another...singing some generic 'let's party' theme with lasers around them. No heart, no emotion, just garbage.

In the 90s the charts were dominated with artists like Kurt Cobain, Perry Farrell, Trent Reznor, Chilli Peppers, GOOD rap, etc, etc...people with actual talent, they could play instruments, no computers needed.

last night is was Bieber...Ariana Grande...Britney Spears...etc



Any of you young whipper snappers want to defend this shit?

[fiddy]

Pop music has always been garbage, you tripping

[HylianNightmare]

I work with kids that legitimately love that panda song. Smh

[~primetime~]

Pop music has always been garbage, you tripping
And that is what this decade will be remembered for...garbage pop music

http://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/vulture/2016/05/22/22-billboard.w190.h190.2x.jpg


^^^ male artist of the year

[KNOW1EDGE]

The music industry isn't even about music anymore.

It's about being flamboyant, it's about being obnoxious, it's about looks- sound doesn't matter.

[Bless Mathews]

Don't type shit about beebs hillbilly.

He got goons.

And he can rap.


He aight.

[Back In Shape]

last night is was Bieber...Ariana Grande...Britney Spears...etc



Any of you young whipper snappers want to defend this shit?

I'm too sexy for this era...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CiFPn-hXAAA2dSG.jpg

[fiddy]

Don't type shit about beebs hillbilly.

He got goons.

And he can rap.


He aight.
:facepalm

[gigantes]

I always told myself I would never be the old man ranting "today's music sucks"
there's still good pop music coming out, but its in subcategories, like "indie pop" and certain kinds of "world pop."

you just have to hunt around until you find the truly creative types. they might be forced underground, but they'll never disappear. :rockon:

[Duderonomy]

Billboard always sucked its strictly the best selling artists and the masses have bad taste.

https://youtu.be/NMjXhY4R4vs

What's the first song playing? I think it's in a cricket wireless commercial.

[ArbitraryWater]

Its true

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IP0wuwJBdMI



Its proven to get dumber by the year...

[coin24]

It's hard to think of anything decent from the last few years..
I like Royce da 5'9s new album.

I even tried to listen to beyonces new album, everyone going on about how great she is, and I'm like wtf is this shit. Pure garbage.
Barely listen to the radio it's just torture now, guess I'm an old fart aswel I'll just keep listening to 90s and early 00s:lol :lol

[atljonesbro]

Hipster alert

[CavaliersFTW]

And that is what this decade will be remembered for...garbage pop music

http://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/vulture/2016/05/22/22-billboard.w190.h190.2x.jpg


^^^ male artist of the year
To a space alien from another planet who looks at humans totally objectively - he's no different than a Justin Timberlake, or a Michael Jackson.

To people of different generations caught up in the nostalgia of their youth/hey-day/prime, what an egregious comparison!

...but really that's the truth. In 25 years the current 12-15 year olds will have grown to an age that they lose their temper when any of the future 12-15 year olds have the AUDACITY to mention Justin Bieber and Taylor Swift in the same sentence as _(insert generic pop star of the future here)_.

[Patrick Chewing]

Post 2000 music sucks. It's not being old. It's being right.

[CavaliersFTW]

Post 2000 music sucks. It's not being old. It's being right.
http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/x/grumpy-old-man-19577484.jpg

[gigantes]

To a space alien from another planet who looks at humans totally objectively - he's no different than a Justin Timberlake, or a Michael Jackson.

To people of different generations caught up in the nostalgia of their youth/hey-day/prime, what an egregious comparison!
i've barely listened to a thing the beaver has done, but my impression is that early on, music critics considered someone like michael jackson to be a major innovator and laudable figure in 80's pop.

that would seem to be a pretty major difference that even ET's could pick up on pretty quickly.

[ALBballer]

One thing I dislike about today's music (atleast the mainstream) is that 50% of is a variation of rap and the rest is a variation of pop and to a lower extent some house music today. LikePT said in the 90s you had mainstream grunge, rap, R&B, alternative, punk pop etc.

[CavaliersFTW]

i've barely listened to a thing the beaver has done, but my impression is that early on, music critics considered someone like michael jackson to be a major innovator and laudable figure in 80's pop.

that would seem to be a pretty major difference that even ET's could pick up on pretty quickly.
There are articles about Taylor Swift doing that today.

The only constant in life, is change. And one mans trash is another mans treasure. Or, in this case, one generations trash is another generations treasure.

[~primetime~]

To a space alien from another planet who looks at humans totally objectively - he's no different than a Justin Timberlake, or a Michael Jackson.

To people of different generations caught up in the nostalgia of their youth/hey-day/prime, what an egregious comparison!

...but really that's the truth. In 25 years the current 12-15 year olds will have grown to an age that they lose their temper when any of the future 12-15 year olds have the AUDACITY to mention Justin Bieber and Taylor Swift in the same sentence as _(insert generic pop star of the future here)_.
I'm not really saying today's pop is worse than yesterday's (although it does seem that way)

I'm saying that this decade is completely dominated by shit pop

In the 90s new genres were being created... Grunge and gangsta rap dominated, it was new, never heard before.

What genres were created this decade? The only thing I can even think of is Dubstep, and you know what I like some Dubstep, but it's still just computer generated and is a very weak genre in general when compared to 90s genres, or 80s, or 70s, or 60s.


Aliens would come down and see "okay this is where they ran out of ideas"

[highwhey]

http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/x/grumpy-old-man-19577484.jpg
:lol

[gigantes]

There are articles about Taylor Swift doing that today.

The only constant in life, is change. And one mans trash is another mans treasure. Or, in this case, one generations trash is another generations treasure.
i don't really know her music, but just going by her press, i don't get the impression she's nearly as critically remarkable today as someone like jackson was back in his day. a better match would probably be something like gaga and madonna, and even then, gaga is something of a madonna-junior.

and i don't agree with blanket statements about generational trash and treasure. it's not that simple IMO. i think a more accurate way to look at it is that any style or niche can get played out over time.

for whatever mix of reasons, mainstream pop music has been stuck on styles that are pretty much just treading water, creatively. nobody in their right mind could compare the creativity in pop music today with the boundaries that were pushed in prior decades.

like, what... f-cking autotune and adding rap elements to songs now is considered 'progress'...? by contrast, when sampling was added to rap it was HUGE and truly revolutionary. when elvis and those other dudes were creating rock out of elements of jazz and blues, it was HUGE and truly revolutionary.

people have a point about mainstream pop being shit these days, and its more than just about generational taste IMO.

[bdreason]

It's really, really bad. The first 5 or 6 performers couldn't even sing. I thought the only good performance of the entire night was Ariana Grande.

[ROCSteady]

**** Taylor Swift.


She can fall on a bed of poisoned spiked barbs in the Amazon

[hateraid]

20 years ago my dad would make fun of my taste in music. I think the song of the summer was How Bizarre. I loved that jam back then. 20 years from now today's songs will be classics and our kids will hate the music of the future eras.

[Riddler]

If today's music was good...

I wouldn't be posting so many remix's on this forum.




The only good thing about todays music is the remix, maybe
a few 'trap' beats... drum & bass... and chill step.


But as far as the trendy radio $hit goes... :no:

[oarabbus]

If today's music was good...

I wouldn't be posting so many remix's on this forum.




The only good thing about todays music is the remix, maybe
a few 'trap' beats... drum & bass... and chill step.


But as far as the trendy radio $hit goes... :no:


Hell yes :cheers: DNB will never die!

[bdreason]

20 years ago my dad would make fun of my taste in music. I think the song of the summer was How Bizarre. I loved that jam back then. 20 years from now today's songs will be classics and our kids will hate the music of the future eras.


I don't think so. Too many music artists these days are created by marketing teams, gimmicks (like dances), or fads. There aren't enough mainstream artists who have real musical talent; like playing an instrument, or singing. Sure, there has always been gimmicky pop music... but it's far more prevalent these days.

I was raised in the 90's, but I believe the 70's is the greatest decade of music.

[Dresta]

Lets be honest, most of the music you listened to as a youngster was probably also garbage (though not as bad as today), it just compares favourably with the trash of today, and you still like it for nostalgic reasons, not because it's particularly good.

edit: it's all just musical titillation anyway.

[StephHamann]

Its true

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IP0wuwJBdMI



Its proven to get dumber by the year...

Damn he hates with so much passion, i love this guy. :lol

[kurple]

Damn he hates with so much passion, i love this guy. :lol
Germans have always had a lot of hate in their heart

[Snarky Narc]

I'm too sexy for this era...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CiFPn-hXAAA2dSG.jpg
They were just a 1 hit wonder. Not like they dominated stations for years.

[andgar923]

Only a fool would try to defend today's music.

Not to say past eras didn't produce garbage, there just seems more of it today and at a worse degree.

[andgar923]

Lol @ comparing Bieber to MJ

[Nick Young]

But watching the Billboard Music Awards last night...holy fck today's shit is awful...has music ever been in a worse place?

Just one glitter covered talentless pop star in skinny jeans after another...singing some generic 'let's party' theme with lasers around them. No heart, no emotion, just garbage.

In the 90s the charts were dominated with artists like Kurt Cobain, Perry Farrell, Trent Reznor, Chilli Peppers, GOOD rap, etc, etc...people with actual talent, they could play instruments, no computers needed.

last night is was Bieber...Ariana Grande...Britney Spears...etc



Any of you young whipper snappers want to defend this shit?
You are officially a grandpa. Congratulations.

[Joshumitsu]

Current mainstream music sucks. Everything has the same beat and sounds like it's made to be a club banger/radio song before a 'normal' song.

There's almost always no melody. Lyrics and sounds start to mimic nursery rhymes.

I honestly see movies going this way, as well. But I don't think it'll ever get as bad as music and probably has a better chance at redeeming itself seeing as how there are slightly less scummy, greedy people involved in the whole process.

[fiddy]

Damn he hates with so much passion, i love this guy. :lol
Its called criticism.


Germans have always had a lot of hate in their heart
Denial and ignorance as usual. :oldlol:

[TheMan]

I'm not really saying today's pop is worse than yesterday's (although it does seem that way)

I'm saying that this decade is completely dominated by shit pop

In the 90s new genres were being created... Grunge and gangsta rap dominated, it was new, never heard before.

What genres were created this decade? The only thing I can even think of is Dubstep, and you know what I like some Dubstep, but it's still just computer generated and is a very weak genre in general when compared to 90s genres, or 80s, or 70s, or 60s.


Aliens would come down and see "okay this is where they ran out of ideas"
It happens, rock music is basically dead and bereft of ideas. Basically, everything has been done before and by much better musicians/artists.

In the 50's, rock music was born, it was in it's infancy and most of the music was juvenile and not too deep.

60's, the Beatles, Beach Boys, Rolling Stones, Doors, Jimi Hendrix, Carlos Santana etc showed what rock was capable of, especially towards the end of the decade and it was the second GOAT era of Rock.

70's was the GOAT era of rock, pretty much every genre was born or peaked here, metal, punk, progressive rock, alt rock, new wave etc. Pink Floyd, the Stones, the Eagles, Fleetwood Mac, David Bowie, Black Sabbath, Velvet Underground, the Clash, AC/DC, Led Zeppelin, the Who etc were at their peak :eek:

The 80s saw to much synthesizers, pop and shitty fashion rock with synth pop and hair bands but Guns n Roses, Metallica, Iron Maiden, NWA, Prince, Michael Jackson were doing their thing. It was an OK era.

The 90s saw a renassaince of quality bands and the birth of gangsta rap. Red Hot Chili Peppers, Nirvana, Smashing Pumpkins, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, Radiohead, Tool, the Pixies, Alice in Chains, Rage Against the Machine were the notable bands of the era.

2000s was the last decent era, Tool, RHCPs, Radiohead, System of a Down (holdovers from the 90s) peaked during this era so it had some quality music/bands.

Current era...Justin Beiber, Lady Gaga, Drake, Taylor Swift :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[atljonesbro]

Buncha salty old folks in this thread drowning in the nostalgia of their glory days :roll:

One of the problems is you nostalgia driven clowns will take an entire decade, cherry pick the couple good ones then compare them to the bad ones of this era then pretend like it is superior.

[NumberSix]

Germans have always had a lot of hate in their heart
You're a racist.

[~primetime~]

Buncha salty old folks in this thread drowning in the nostalgia of their glory days :roll:

One of the problems is you nostalgia driven clowns will take an entire decade, cherry pick the couple good ones then compare them to the bad ones of this era then pretend like it is superior.
Who are the "good ones" of this era? Some Indy artist who no one kind find because he is completely buried underneath a hundred tired pop acts?

Please, tell me the top-5 most talented artists of this decade?

Adele can actually sing, I'll give you her. Who are the other 4?

[atljonesbro]

Who are the "good ones" of this era? Some Indy artist who no one kind find because he is completely buried underneath a hundred tired pop acts?

Please, tell me the top-5 most talented artists of this decade?

Adele can actually sing, I'll give you her. Who are the other 4?
Drake, Avril Lavigne, Kendrick Lamar, Taylor Swift, Kelly Clarkson just 5 off the top of my head who are top tier mainstream artists that are very good from this decade. Nostalgia will obviously blind your judgment here so I don't really understand the point of this.

[~primetime~]

Drake, Avril Lavigne, Kendrick Lamar, Taylor Swift, Kelly Clarkson just 5 off the top of my head who are top tier mainstream artists that are very good from this decade. Nostalgia will obviously blind your judgment here so I don't really understand the point of this.
You just named 2 rappers and 3 shitty pop acts. Genres that already peaked in past decades.

You want to compare Drake and Kendrick to Big/Pac/Nas and a fcking American Idol winner to Trent Reznor?

It's not nostalgia, you just don't know what good music is.

[atljonesbro]

You just named 2 rappers and 3 shitty pop acts. Genres that already peaked in past decades.

You want to compare Drake and Kendrick to Big/Pac/Nas and a fcking American Idol winner to Trent Reznor?

It's not nostalgia, you just don't know what good music is.
You've become exactly what you said you wouldn't lmao. Completely blinded by nostalgia. Stuck in your ways and can't accept any music as good unless it sounds like it's from your youth.

[Riddler]

-PT- is right guys...


if Taylor Swift and Kendrick Lamar is the best there is today....

then we are in a whole lot of trouble.



Sad that I'd rather listen to Taylor Swift than Kendrick Lamar...
He may be talented, but his flow is not my cup of tea.


Today's music sucks... (compared to 90's)

Actually... 90's music should not even be compared to today's music.


It would be like the 96 Bulls vs any 2016 High School team.


Hard not to live in the past when the past was so much better than today.

[Riddler]

Buncha salty old folks in this thread drowning in the nostalgia of their glory days :roll:

One of the problems is you nostalgia driven clowns will take an entire decade, cherry pick the couple good ones then compare them to the bad ones of this era then pretend like it is superior.


There are rappers on the radio that literally flow like they are retarded.

Literally.

It is unbearable to listen to.

[atljonesbro]

-PT- is right guys...


if Taylor Swift and Kendrick Lamar is the best there is today....

then we are in a whole lot of trouble.



Sad that I'd rather listen to Taylor Swift than Kendrick Lamar...
He may be talented, but his flow is not my cup of tea.


Today's music sucks... (compared to 90's)

Actually... 90's music should not even be compared to today's music.


It would be like the 96 Bulls vs any 2016 High School team.


Hard not to live in the past when the past was so much better than today.
You really are living in the past... The music today is isn't any worse than anything else. Just not what you're used to or what you grew up on. I swear yall sound like Oscar Robinson on Curry :lol. Acting as if any of you even have any authority on the subject.

[Bless Mathews]

As an old ass man, I agree slightly That music was better back in 90's. Especially in hip hop. 100 fold.

But mainstream is mainstream. It's all watered down crap regOardless of the era.

You just gotta look for the good shit.

*** must listen with a system with good bass ****


This better than any bs mainstream Tupac biggie shit

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h9_31bUYHvA

Killer mikes verse starting at 1:30 kills it.

[Riddler]

You really are living in the past... The music today is isn't any worse than anything else. Just not what you're used to or what you grew up on. I swear yall sound like Oscar Robinson on Curry :lol. Acting as if any of you even have any authority on the subject.


If you did not grow up in an age before the internet existed...

I am sorry for you.




The only people that can talk $hit to me.... are the people that grew up in the 60's.


This 'selfie' generation is $hit in the music department.... a big bucket of $hit.


End of discussion.

[Nanners]

My gut says primetime is right, mainstream music is whack compared to what was popular in the past. That said I am kind of an old man by pop music standards, and I dont listen to any new pop music anyway, so maybe Im just out of touch or whatever.

Its easy to have a rose tinted view of the past, but lets not forget there was plenty of shitty mainstream music back in the 90s - trash like Christina Aguilera, Hansen and Backstreet... a lot of that music comes off incredibly cringeworthy in hindsight, like this piece of shit song was the #1 song for an entire ****ing month back in the 90s - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHozn0YXAeE

I definitely think there is great music being made right now, you just need to know where to look. There are tons of good indy artists on youtube and stuff, thats where I am finding most of my new music these days.

[macmac]

If you don't think mainstream music has progressively gotten worse for almost two decades, then you just don't have a good ear for music nor a sound mind to discern proper songwriting and lyricism. It's not subjective, it's just a fact. Accept it and move on

[atljonesbro]

If you did not grow up in an age before the internet existed...

I am sorry for you.




The only people that can talk $hit to me.... are the people that grew up in the 60's.


This 'selfie' generation is $hit in the music department.... a big bucket of $hit.


End of discussion.
http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/x/grumpy-old-man-19577484.jpg

[Nanners]

cant believe nobody has made a kanye joke yet, this thread seems perfect for it :oldlol:

[TheMan]

I don't think nostalgia has anything to do with stating the obvious. Tons of kids post comments on YouTube lamenting that they didn't grow up in so and so decade. They know today's music sucks.

Most of the videos of covers of classic rock songs (guitar, bass, drums, vocals or whole band covers) are done by milenials. 20 something year olds playing rock songs that their parents grew up listening to.

When I was in high school in the late 80s, I knew my era sucked in comparison to the 70s so I grew up on 60s and 70s rock in the late 80s :confusedshrug:

[atljonesbro]

I don't think nostalgia has anything to do with stating the obvious. Tons of kids post comments on YouTube lamenting that they didn't grow up in so and so decade. They know today's music sucks.

Most of the videos of covers of classic rock songs (guitar, bass, drums, vocals or whole band covers) are done by milenials. 20 something year olds playing rock songs that their parents grew up listening to.

When I was in high school in the late 80s, I knew my era sucked in comparison to the 70s so I grew up on 60s and 70s rock in the late 80s :confusedshrug:
You realize anything that gets very popular will have a lot of hipsters saying it's bad no matter how good it is right? Makes them feel like they are above it all or they're seeing something that we aren't. Also I'd say a good number of those in the youtube comments only say that because they're looking for the approval of the older folks and may not truly mean what they're saying.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

I actually don't think Bieber is as bad as he once was years ago.

But generally speaking, the rap game today is so bad. Today's new songs are horrible. No unique lyrics, just overdone instrumentals and the rapper saying lyrics that make little to no sense. Hip hop died way quicker than other music genre.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

There are rappers on the radio that literally flow like they are retarded.

Literally.

It is unbearable to listen to.

Hot 97 in NY is tolerable only when they do throwbacks. The hip hop otherwise is so pathetic. I don't like this era in music or the influx of hipsters I see everywhere. Makes me wish I grew up in the 80s and was in my 20s during
The 90s.

[Jameerthefear]

tupac's music is ****ing garbage and that was the 90's best
chance, kendrick >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shit on any rapper from back then

[NumberSix]

You realize anything that gets very popular will have a lot of hipsters saying it's bad no matter how good it is right? Makes them feel like they are above it all or they're seeing something that we aren't. Also I'd say a good number of those in the youtube comments only say that because they're looking for the approval of the older folks and may not truly mean what they're saying.
Millions of people listen to albums that are 40+ years old. Do you honestly think there are any albums from 2016 that people will be listening to in 2056?

[NBAplayoffs2001]

tupac's music is ****ing garbage and that was the 90's best
chance, kendrick >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shit on any rapper from back then

This generation...:(

Horrible times we live in

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Millions of people listen to albums that are 40+ years old. Do you honestly think there are any albums from 2016 that people will be listening to in 2056?

I listen to a ton of rap from 1990 to about 1999. I don't even touch today's

[NumberSix]

tupac's music is ****ing garbage and that was the 90's best
chance, kendrick >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shit on any rapper from back then
I can't tell if this is a troll post or not.

Kendrick Lamar is terrible. This guy isn't even like, on Mase's level.

People that think this guy is good sound like the 15 year old idiots in the 80s that thought Poison, Motley Crue and Quiet Riot were good bands. These idiots were totally convinced that these garbage bands were as good or better than Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath.

[Jameerthefear]

This generation...:(

Horrible times we live in
u do realize we can go back and listen to ur very shitty music right? this is the GOAT generation for music tbh.

[Jameerthefear]

90s rap is so ****ing boring. the production and beat making is so far from today's rap that it's hilarious. it's why lyrics were more important back then.

[Im Still Ballin]

I hope you're not here on illegal activity Jameer

I will remind you that you're being watched by the corporate powers that be

[TheMan]

I can't tell if this is a troll post or not.

Kendrick Lamar is terrible. This guy isn't even like, on Mase's level.

People that think this guy is good sound like the 15 year old idiots in the 80s that thought Poison, Motley Crue and Quiet Riot were good bands. These idiots were totally convinced that these garbage bands were as good or better than Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath.
:oldlol: My brother thought W.A.S.P., Skid Row, Cinderella, Poison, Cr

[Jameerthefear]

I hope you're not here on illegal activity Jameer

I will remind you that you're being watched by the corporate powers that be
Just posting here sweetie :)

[Im Still Ballin]

Carry on.

[brownboyfly]

man I think a lot of it has to do with how fast the world moves today, and how the general population's attention span has gotten way shorter. Albums are hardly as important as they were even a decade ago. It's all about singles nowadays and artists can go tour for months on end.

There's a lot of rubbing elbows in the industry and it's a smaller, shallower pool than ever. At the mainstream artists like you mentioned like Bieber and Grande have put a stranglehold on the rest of their respective genres as well as Top 40 Radio.

Basically EDM and Dancehall are running things right now. And everybody wants to get on that wave.

One thought-provoking artist that is mainstream I can think of off the top is Kendrick Lamar. There is Kanye, whose catalog in whole is unreal. We lost Prince this year though so this year is automatically an L.

2011 was a really good year for music. I think we all miss Frank Ocean. BTW the new James Blake album The Colour In Anything is really good as is the new Kaytranada album 99.9%. Also A.K. Paul's single Landcruisin' is my song of the year. I recommend checking these out.

[ImKobe]

Music has gotten dumber, it is what it is.


90s rap is so ****ing boring. the production and beat making is so far from today's rap that it's hilarious. it's why lyrics were more important back then.


you grew up in a different era, 90s beats are more soulful. There isn't one rap album today that compares to AEOM or The Chronic in terms of production.

[Dresta]

90s rap is so ****ing boring. the production and beat making is so far from today's rap that it's hilarious. it's why lyrics were more important back then.
:facepalm

[DonDadda59]

90s rap is so ****ing boring. the production and beat making is so far from today's rap that it's hilarious. it's why lyrics were more important back then.

So rap skills were important to rap?

Wow.

Revelatory.

Why have actual rhyming ability when you can just mumble over some fruity loops beat and the vine generation will eat it up?

'Rap' today is a terrible joke. We're in the big hair, leotard era like Rock was in the 80s. Plain embarrassing.

[Jameerthefear]

Music has gotten dumber, it is what it is.




you grew up in a different era, 90s beats are more soulful. There isn't one rap album today that compares to AEOM or The Chronic in terms of production.
no one with an iq over 70 believes this

[Jameerthefear]

So rap skills were important to rap?

Wow.

Revelatory.

Why have actual rhyming ability when you can just mumble over some fruity loops beat and the vine generation will eat it up?

'Rap' today is a terrible joke. We're in the big hair, leotard era like Rock was in the 80s. Plain embarrassing.
beat making and production is just as important if not more so than lyrics.

[DonDadda59]

beat making and production is just as important if not more so than lyrics.

Ridiculous.

Exactly the sort of thinking that produced the mumbling garbage people are passing off as music.

If what you're saying is true... Why even have rappers mumble over those beats in the first place? Change the name of the genre from rap/hip hop to just beats?

I miss the days when having talent was a prerequisite to being a professional rapper. Now you can just jump on a track and mumble like that kid who used to take the short yellow bus to school (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKl6umkwKfU) and you'll be a millionaire. :lol

[~primetime~]

Why The Music Industry Is Going Downhill (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2SbK0GE120)

^^^ good logical explanation

IN SHORT: The internet has made it to where lesser known indy types can't profit at all, only the big name generic pop acts can actually profit now. So what happens is that these indy acts just give up and do other things with their lives, leaving us with....pop

There is more to it than that, but that is the gist of the situation.

[Dresta]

beat making and production is just as important if not more so than lyrics.
Yes, the beat is more important than the primary component of hip-hop, namely rapping, which comes from an oral tradition of telling a story, or conveying a message. Hip-hop is worthless if it has no message/doesn't convey any ideas, or at least some semi-meaningful thoughts; that is its basis and its substance. If what you were saying were true, then why even bother with lyrics at all?

[Dresta]

Why The Music Industry Is Going Downhill (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2SbK0GE120)

^^^ good logical explanation

IN SHORT: The internet has made it to where lesser known indy types can't profit at all, only the big name generic pop acts can actually profit now. So what happens is that these indy acts just give up and do other things with their lives, leaving us with....pop
Well, my girlfriend's brother recently signed a record deal with a major label, and his music has sounded pretty awful to me ever since he did so. Went from having an original and interesting sound, to that being overshadowed by showy artificial beats and mawkish lyrics, which are now mostly compiled by a group of ghostwriters than himself.

That they do this to most of the young talent takes away one of the most important things in artistic expression: unity of form.

[Jameerthefear]

Yes, the beat is more important than the primary component of hip-hop, namely rapping, which comes from an oral tradition of telling a story, or conveying a message. Hip-hop is worthless if it has no message/doesn't convey any ideas, or at least some semi-meaningful thoughts; that is its basis and its substance. If what you were saying were true, then why even bother with lyrics at all?
no one gives two shits about whatever the hell your old ass is talking about. the vast majority of people listen to what sounds good to them. some people might look for lyrics more, some might look to the beat or production. nothing more, nothing less.

[DonDadda59]

Well, my girlfriend's brother recently signed a record deal with a major label, and his music has sounded pretty awful to me ever since he did so. Went from having an original and interesting sound, to that being overshadowed by showy artificial beats and mawkish lyrics, which are now mostly compiled by a group of ghostwriters than himself.

That they do this to most of the young talent takes away one of the most important things in artistic expression: unity of form.

The model of pop music now (and politics apparently :lol ) is appealing to absolute lowest common denominator. So they tailor the people they sign towards being that. It'd be like having a chef trained at the Cordon Bleu making only Big Macs.

[Dresta]

no one gives two shits about whatever the hell your old ass is talking about. the vast majority of people listen to what sounds good to them. some people might look for lyrics more, some might look to the beat or production. nothing more, nothing less.
You would've done better to say: "people are stupid and sheepish, and so like what they're told to like; in the modern age, they are bombarded with noise and audio diarrhea from birth, and so are now incapable of even recognising or appreciating things that do sound good, so dulled have their senses become." Everywhere you go these days you are assaulted by noise emanating from electrical appliances, which can only diminish the appreciation of actual music.

As it is, you're just taking a democratic approach to musical appreciation, which again, has nothing to do with quality. Since when have the masses ever had good taste? The answer is never.

[Dresta]

The model of pop music now (and politics apparently :lol ) is appealing to absolute lowest common denominator. So they tailor the people they sign towards being that. It'd be like having a chef trained at the Cordon Bleu making only Big Macs.
It's sad, but if you want to keep your own sound, you have to accept not making the big bucks; or, you make the big bucks, and then make your own music independently, provided you haven't completely sold out already by the time you have enough money to do so.

[kurple]

Yes, the beat is more important than the primary component of hip-hop, namely rapping, which comes from an oral tradition of telling a story, or conveying a message. Hip-hop is worthless if it has no message/doesn't convey any ideas, or at least some semi-meaningful thoughts; that is its basis and its substance. If what you were saying were true, then why even bother with lyrics at all?
this guy thinking hip hop and rap is the same :facepalm

you telling me jay dilla aint hip hop? please

[kurple]

Well, my girlfriend's brother recently signed a record deal with a major label, and his music has sounded pretty awful to me ever since he did so. Went from having an original and interesting sound, to that being overshadowed by showy artificial beats and mawkish lyrics, which are now mostly compiled by a group of ghostwriters than himself.

That they do this to most of the young talent takes away one of the most important things in artistic expression: unity of form.
what is he called?

[Dresta]

this guy thinking hip hop and rap is the same :facepalm

you telling me jay dilla aint hip hop? please
You really just quoted that and came to the conclusion I was saying the two were the same?

:lol


And yeah, i'm not doing that (giving his name), but he played at the last Glastonbury.

[atljonesbro]

Yeah the good rappers today are INFINITLY better than anything from the past. It's seriously not even close. Guys like King Los, Cyhi, Logic absolutely blow any old school rapper out of the water lyrically.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Yeah the good rappers today are INFINITLY better than anything from the past. It's seriously not even close. Guys like King Los, Cyhi, Logic absolutely blow any old school rapper out of the water lyrically.

Janeers alt or another delusional
Young buck

[atljonesbro]

Janeers alt or another delusional
Young buck
No it's just the truth. TUPAC is considered the top old school rapper :lol . The guy is as mediocre as they come.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

No it's just the truth. TUPAC is considered the top old school rapper :lol . The guy is as mediocre as they come.

By some. Big L too me had the most talent RIP. He would DESTROY rappers in a battle. Today's rap is pathetic period. Even the good ones I like are very mediocre from the ones I've heard from the 1980s-mid 2000s

[atljonesbro]

By some. Big L too me had the most talent RIP. He would DESTROY rappers in a battle. Today's rap is pathetic period. Even the good ones I like are very mediocre from the ones I've heard from the 1980s-mid 2000s
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OMoNep7r8GI

You couldn't find a single old schooler rapper with half the lyrical talent of Los. Here's him rapping over an old school best infinitely better than any old school rapper can. It's seriously not even close.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OMoNep7r8GI

You couldn't find a single old schooler rapper with half the lyrical talent of Los. Here's him rapping over an old school best infinitely better than any old school rapper can. It's seriously not even close.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PLpZUI4BZwU

/thread

Different opinions. Los is solid but I like Cassidy from the 2000s more

[~primetime~]

No one denies rap peaked in the 90s...not even today's rappers would deny that

http://static.booska-p.com/images/news/drake-divise-le-wu-tang.jpg

[NBAplayoffs2001]

No one denies rap peaked in the 90s...not even today's rappers would deny that

http://static.booska-p.com/images/news/drake-divise-le-wu-tang.jpg

80s can make a strong argument. 2000s not really. 2010s not at all.

[DonDadda59]

Yeah the good rappers today are INFINITLY better than anything from the past. It's seriously not even close. Guys like King Los, Cyhi, Logic absolutely blow any old school rapper out of the water lyrically.

:lol

You just named dudes who couldn't sell an album to their relatives. Further proving the point. Even if they are as good as you say, and they aren't, nobody who doesn't wear a backpack everywhere they go has ever heard of them.

When was the last time you heard a Cyhi track on the radio or heard anyone saying they were going to buy Logic's new album.

Dudes are obscure and unknown because the public doesn't have an appetite for anything beyond retarded mumbling.

[Im Still Ballin]

They don't make pieces like Liquid Swords these days, let alone get them to sell

[Bosnian Sajo]

Black x6, phantom, white x6 look like a panda.

[highwhey]

Bunch of curmudgeons up in here, including OP.

To put this into perspective, it's as if the OP claims he's not homosexual because he has a wife and kids, although he's going to suck my d1ck. But again, he's not gay because he's saying no-homo.

[DonDadda59]

Bunch of curmudgeons up in here, including OP.

To put this into perspective, it's as if the OP claims he's not homosexual because he has a wife and kids, although he's going to suck my d1ck. But again, he's not gay because he's saying no-homo.

That just f*cked up my perspective even more. Now I'm lost. :confusedshrug:

[highwhey]

That just f*cked up my perspective even more. Now I'm lost. :confusedshrug:
You can take a turn after OP.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Music today is not bad, it's just different than what you are used to. I'm sorry you don't enjoy it, but that's why we have youtube in this day and age, you can search up any old ass song and enjoy :cheers:

[DonDadda59]

You can take a turn after OP.

What the hell just happened?

https://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/R-p8CjwCu9NLE6Q3DV6JsWJz4ro=/800x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/6464289/paul.0.gif

[~primetime~]

http://www.pagesdigital.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/bieberseattle1-696x403.jpg

this decade WISHES they were 90s

[Bosnian Sajo]

Yes, the beat is more important than the primary component of hip-hop, namely rapping, which comes from an oral tradition of telling a story, or conveying a message. Hip-hop is worthless if it has no message/doesn't convey any ideas, or at least some semi-meaningful thoughts; that is its basis and its substance. If what you were saying were true, then why even bother with lyrics at all?


Not every ****ing song had some deep meaning or story, shut the hell up. Jesus, wtf was the "deep message" in tupac's hit em up, that he was gonna shoot up and kill all of bad boy? Ohhhhhh soooo deeep :bowdown:


Not hating on that particular song, but stop acting like hip hop was soooo intellectual back in the day and now it's just a bunch of drug addicts.

I LOVE liquid swords, great song, but even that song talked about doing cocaine and shit. What's the deep meaning or story being told on that song, how good of a rapper GZA is? That's basically the jist of the entire song, no?


Listen to some Kendrick Lamar, tell me you don't hear a story. J cole. Ab soul. Schoolboy q. etc. etc. etc. Kid Cudi talks about his upbringing in "soundtrack to my life", go check that out if you like songs with stories. They are out there, you are just looking for them at the wrong place (billboard ****ing music awards and radio).


Wanna just vibe to some dope ass beats and catchy lyrics? Panda, migos, future, young thug, etc. doesn't all have to be some deep ****ing story, smh. And usually, that's what the masses look for, something they get hyped to. And of course that means they will be on top the billboards and on these award shows, but who gives a flying ****?

[Bosnian Sajo]

http://www.pagesdigital.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/bieberseattle1-696x403.jpg

this decade WISHES they were 90s


Oh yea, I bet Justin Bieber is just DYING to shoot himself when he turns 27. What a life :bowdown:



Visionary....story teller....he was probably having such vivid visions of the stories in his songs that he had to off himself, soo deep bro.

[Duderonomy]

Can one of you youngins defending this modern garbage tell me this song? I'm an old crow like Primetime.

https://youtu.be/NMjXhY4R4vs

the first song playing? I think it's in a cricket wireless commercial.

[bdreason]

No it's just the truth. TUPAC is considered the top old school rapper :lol . The guy is as mediocre as they come.


2Pac was a mainstream artist. His music was played on mainstream radio. He sold millions of albums. His music was appreciated and listened to by millions of people. The proper modern day comparison to 2Pac would be Drake, not some backpack rapper.

There are plenty of great rappers out there today, the problem is that's not what the industry promotes, and that's not what society is exposed to. I hate to break it to you, but in 10 or 20 years, nobody is going to remember King Los. What people will remember is what's popular and promoted in the mainstream.

This argument has nothing to do with the lack of talented artists, it has to do with the lack of talented artists that are promoted in the mainstream. The main problem is that there isn't enough money to be made from just making good music. The money is made in selling clothing, fads, dances, gimmicks, and ringtones... especially in a genre like Hip-hop, which caters to a younger audience.

[~primetime~]

Oh yea, I bet Justin Bieber is just DYING to shoot himself when he turns 27. What a life :bowdown:



Visionary....story teller....he was probably having such vivid visions of the stories in his songs that he had to off himself, soo deep bro.
Cobain was 1,000x the artist Biebs is.

All the greats of the 60s-70s-80s-90s were suicidal drug addicts, which is a decent indicator they were real artists and not studio created children.


Nirvana couldn't even exist today...the labels would insist that they dance around in skinny jeans and change their lyrics up to something more family friendly. Kurt would have told them to go fck themselves and would have never been signed.

[Bosnian Sajo]

All the greats of the 60s-70s-80s-90s were suicidal drug addicts, which is a decent indicator they were real artists and not studio created children.




Lmaooo, wow. ok. Stupid me thought it was about the music, but if you ain't suicidal and dumb high then you ain't shit I guess.



Hate to break it to you primetime, but you really are just that old hag who thinks everything was better before than right now, looking for ANYTHING to support your claim. I'm not hating on the music of years past or even saying that today's is better, but the gap isn't as wide as you claim it to be. Cobain might be on a whole other world to you than Bieber, but the fact of the matter is that it's not like that for everyone. There are a lot of us who don't give a flying **** about Nirvana, only Nirvana song I've ever heard was teen spirit. Not my cup of tea, doesn't make your taste in music any better. Sorry buddy.

[atljonesbro]

Lmaooo, wow. ok. Stupid me thought it was about the music, but if you ain't suicidal and dumb high then you ain't shit I guess.



Hate to break it to you primetime, but you really are just that old hag who thinks everything was better before than right now, looking for ANYTHING to support your claim. I'm not hating on the music of years past or even saying that today's is better, but the gap isn't as wide as you claim it to be. Cobain might be on a whole other world to you than Bieber, but the fact of the matter is that it's not like that for everyone. There are a lot of us who don't give a flying **** about Nirvana, only Nirvana song I've ever heard was teen spirit. Not my cup of tea, doesn't make your taste in music any better. Sorry buddy.
It's hilarious how prime time thinks he has any authority over such an objective thing. Hes one of those old guys who genuinely thinks he's never been wrong before and his logic is "I'm old as fu*k so I'm right". The absolute delusion is incredible

[~primetime~]

Lmaooo, wow. ok. Stupid me thought it was about the music, but if you ain't suicidal and dumb high then you ain't shit I guess.



Hate to break it to you primetime, but you really are just that old hag who thinks everything was better before than right now, looking for ANYTHING to support your claim. I'm not hating on the music of years past or even saying that today's is better, but the gap isn't as wide as you claim it to be. Cobain might be on a whole other world to you than Bieber, but the fact of the matter is that it's not like that for everyone. There are a lot of us who don't give a flying **** about Nirvana, only Nirvana song I've ever heard was teen spirit. Not my cup of tea, doesn't make your taste in music any better. Sorry buddy.
How can you have any opinion on this when you fully admit to not being exposed to previous music?

"I've only heard teen spirit, but hate to break it to you -pt-, the gap isn't that big" :facepalm

[~primetime~]

It's hilarious how prime time thinks he has any authority over such an objective thing. Hes one of those old guys who genuinely thinks he's never been wrong before and his logic is "I'm old as fu*k so I'm right". The absolute delusion is incredible
If it is so objective how come there isn't a 30+ year old on the fcking planet that disagrees with me?

[Bosnian Sajo]

How can you have any opinion on this when you fully admit to not being exposed to previous music?

"I've only heard teen spirit, but hate to break it to you -pt-, the gap isn't that big" :facepalm

I'm exposed to previous generations music, I love led zeppelin and love 90's rap music. One of my favorite songs to smoke to is "horse with no name" which was released in 1971. I just don't give a **** about Nirvana.

But that in itself doesn't make my opinion any more right, because I wasn't hating on Cobain or Nirvana you old ****. I'm just saying you're delusional when saying music before was soooooooooo much better. That's the nostalgia talking, fyi.

[~primetime~]

I'm exposed to previous generations music, I love led zeppelin and love 90's rap music. One of my favorite songs to smoke to is "horse with no name" which was released in 1971. I just don't give a **** about Nirvana.

But that in itself doesn't make my opinion any more right, because I wasn't hating on Cobain or Nirvana you old ****. I'm just saying you're delusional when saying music before was soooooooooo much better. That's the nostalgia talking, fyi.
so you think it was better, just not 'soooooooooo' better?

[atljonesbro]

so you think it was better, just not 'soooooooooo' better?
Go eat your pudding gramps and circle jerk at the retirement home with the other geezers about the music "back in your day"

[Bosnian Sajo]

Nope, lol. It's all subjective.


My playlist has more songs from this year and last than it does songs from before 2000.

[~primetime~]

Nope, lol. It's all subjective.


My playlist has more songs from this year and last than it does songs from before 2000.
so you think this decade is better than previous ones?

rank the decades...from the 60s to now...so I can get a better grasp of your argument

[Young X]

When it comes to music, the "old man ranting" thing isn't true. It's almost a fact that music is much, much worse nowadays than ever. I think the advancement in technology has played a part in hurting music.

[~primetime~]

When it comes to music, the "old man ranting" thing isn't true. It's almost a fact that music is much, much worse nowadays than ever. I think the advancement in technology has played a part in hurting music.
It's definitely played a part in helping mask those with no real talent. Now any kid can download some software, use a voice synthesizer, and sound just like radio play.

Prince mastered like 40 different instruments...who today is doing that?

[Norcaliblunt]

Live music sucks these days. There's no good organic live sounds and scenes to see and hear something fresh.

[Overdrive]

I definately think that (mainstream) music is worse today. Most stuff I listen to is also older than me, so I'm no geezer either.

I'm not saying there aren't great musicians out there. Actually I believe musicians are technically better than ever before, but music as an artistic output in the mainstream died with the highspeed internet boom and 3G/4G took it down for good. Spotify and co. supply the listener with the throwaway product of the week, why would they buy an album or single?

The audience isn't reachable through art anymore.

Music nowadays is basically just a McDonald's meal.

[KyrieTheFuture]

I definately think that (mainstream) music is worse today. Most stuff I listen to is also older than me, so I'm no geezer either.

I'm not saying there aren't great musicians out there. Actually I believe musicians are technically better than ever before, but music as an artistic output in the mainstream died with the highspeed internet boom and 3G/4G took it down for good. Spotify and co. supply the listener with the throwaway product of the week, why would they buy an album or single?

The audience isn't reachable through art anymore.

Music nowadays is basically just a McDonald's meal.
:biggums:

[Riddler]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9az2JAQZoU
What's Going On by the MTV All Stars


Honestly.... I think 9/11 is also ground zero for when music in general started to decline.
aka in Hip Hop as The Master P era.

Music (in general) peeked in the 90's....
and then it started to get gradually worse and worse



You'll still find an extremely talented artist in today's world... don't get me wrong.
It's just not as common. The local radio stations are also to blame here.

Florence and the Machine and The XX will take a gigantic dump on just about everything.
So I won't completely trash today's musical artists.


One could argue this point:

The Male Musicians have gotten worse while the Females have gotten better.
Of course I could bring up the "gay agenda".... but I don't want to go there.

[eriX]

Mainstream media is always about profits and now that executives can find a way to best harness profits using stars like Justin Bieber and the likes they don't need to look for actual musicians anymore.

But there is plenty of innovative and generational talents elsewhere in the electronic world. But its often met with the argument "anyone can press a button on a computer to make a song" or "its just a bunch of noise (dubstep is not the prominent electronic genre so no dubstep pls)" etc... etc...

People will always argue music of the past is better and it can be rooted all way back to the romantic/classical periods in which I think music is the most sophisticated and timeless. Someone like Chopin or Beethoven will never be matched against any of the musical greats of the future generations. But instead its about innovating new ways to enjoy music that we should be looking forward too and not stuck in the past.

[Overdrive]

:biggums:

I'm not talking about Bieber apperently, but your average dude trying out at a guitarcenter can noodle solos to no end. Doesn't make him a better musician than a Hendrix or Blackmore anyway.

[Duderonomy]

https://youtu.be/NMjXhY4R4vs

What's the first song playing? I think it's in a cricket wireless commercial.

It turns out the song is Cake by the Ocean by Dnce https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vWaRiD5ym74

I gotta say it is a good song

[mlh1981]

I agree with the premise of this thread, but I also remind myself that they don't make/market/package this type of stuff for 34 year old men like myself (for example).

[DonDadda59]

Rap these days is basically This (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZjmliqhZ-c).

Hipster ****: 'I don't know what he's mumbling about. But dat beat tight doe :pimp: '

[greymatter]

All depends on what type of music you like. The best songs fall into the category of "everyone knows or likes that one, even those who were born after it came out".

The 70s and 80s had a lot of artists/bands that produced songs of that quality. Everyone has heard stuff from Queen, Journey, Michael Jackson.

Music started rapidly becoming more and more "manufactured" starting the early to mid 90s. The epitome of shitty manufactured trash from that era were the Spice Girls.

One thing is for certain, some genres have been far more prolific in putting out "iconic" songs that everyone knows than others. Rap and country = pure shit.

[FKAri]

I was bout to write a long post about how music has been manufactured for a long ass time now but I think I can summarize it as such:

- the mainstream avenues for broadcasting music have always been about hitting the lowest common denominator since it will always sell well
- there are more avenues for artists to have their music heard than ever before so anything that isnt bland is more likely going to be found in arenas that are more niche to that style or sound

in conclusion, the idea that music is getting worse is an illusion simply because one has to dig deeper and deeper in an ever increasing marketplace to find fresh material

[DonDadda59]

I was bout to write a long post about how music has been manufactured for a long ass time now but I think I can summarize it as such:

- the mainstream avenues for broadcasting music have always been about hitting the lowest common denominator since it will always sell well
- there are more avenues for artists to have their music heard than ever before so anything that isnt bland is more likely going to be found in arenas that are more niche to that style or sound

in conclusion, the idea that music is getting worse is an illusion simply because one has to dig deeper and deeper in an ever increasing marketplace to find fresh material

Even the accomplished... Or I should just say famous... artists acknowledge the massive drop in quality.

Aye that shit was hard doe bruh (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiNNBc557OQ) :rockon:

[Graviton]

Bo Burnham's new special on Netflix covered the issues with modern music. I highly recommend everyone to watch that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTUP4ET2IE0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zplbQA7lu7k&list=PLmDRKPtjc4potzG9ik4ogm-QdH9pSdV7O&index=5

[Just2McFly]

First of all, I'm tired of people shitting on Biebs...his music isn't that bad. Listen to No Sense(minus Travy) , No Pressure, Love Yourself and you will see that he's actually good.

Secondly, most of you are grown ass men, if the popular music of this era isn't good to you, stop f*cking complaining and use the tools god has given you (ie this message) to promote more substantial acts. Every year it's the same thread, but no one even took in the gem of an album Jeremih dropped last December titled "Late Nights".

Seriously, if you love R&B, listen to Late Nights....as a concept album I just sit there and take it in and it's amazing. It's modern and fresh, but his vocals take it to the next level. To me, this is the type of music The Weekend secretly wishes he could make. Songs like "Impatient" "Oui" " Feel Like Phil" "Whoosah" "Worthy" "Paradise" "Planes" are amazing. If you have a great sound system in your whip or house, crank it up and let Worthy kick in... the first 40-45 seconds are heavenly.

There are so many good albums and artists coming into the fold that haven't popped, but just wait, eventually they will rise above the BS and permeate your ears.

I really liked parts of Jhene Aiko and Big Sean's "Twenty88" EP. Some songs on Rhianna's "ANTI" were really good, yes, I'm including Work with it's nasty futuristic dancehall sound.

Some of Thugger's Slime Season 3 was classic goodness as well, maybe it's because I'm entrenched in the music industry that I am looking at their songs in a positive matter, but damn you guys are some whiners.

We also have Kendrick's "Untitled, Unmastered" projects, where he really shines on songs like track 2.

Lemonade was amazing as well, that country song called Daddy Lessons was simply amazing and her collaborations were spot on. Beyonce finally delivered that classic that her catalogue was sorely missing.

Kaytranada the legendary producer dropped an album with guests like Vic Mensa, Anderson Paak(Check out his new album Malibu) and even PHONTE called 99.9% which is what should have received on Metacritic because I cannot find one flaw with this album. Every song is a masterpiece but I'm especially fond of "Together" with one of favourite rappers, Goldlink(check out his tapes "The God Complex" and " And then we were..")

Chance the Rapper dropped an album this year too, titled "Colouring Book" and it's so rich and colourful in terms of the sounds it uses and the pictures he paints with his raspy voice and constantly shifting rhyme schemes.

We also have one of my favourite rappers of all time, YG who just came out with his second studio album, "Still Brazy". I know that either Prime or Dooms really loves that G-funk west coast sound, so listen to the title track to get a feel of what's in store for you. Coming of the instant classic of 2014, "My Krazy Life" the bar is set high and he delivers. This dude simply knows how to make an album revolve around set narratives without making it monotonous.

Drake released "Views", up here in Toronto you simply cannot escape it, so it's already starting to be unbearable, but I do love tracks like "Controlla", One Dance", and "U Wit Me?". Overall, this shit leaves a lot to be desired, I'll give it like a 4.5 out of ten.

[L.Kizzle]

First of all, I'm tired of people shitting on Biebs...his music isn't that bad. Listen to No Sense(minus Travy) , No Pressure, Love Yourself and you will see that he's actually good.

Secondly, most of you are grown ass men, if the popular music of this era isn't good to you, stop f*cking complaining and use the tools god has given you (ie this message) to promote more substantial acts. Every year it's the same thread, but no one even took in the gem of an album Jeremih dropped last December titled "Late Nights".

Seriously, if you love R&B, listen to Late Nights....as a concept album I just sit there and take it in and it's amazing. It's modern and fresh, but his vocals take it to the next level. To me, this is the type of music The Weekend secretly wishes he could make. Songs like "Impatient" "Oui" " Feel Like Phil" "Whoosah" "Worthy" "Paradise" "Planes" are amazing. If you have a great sound system in your whip or house, crank it up and let Worthy kick in... the first 40-45 seconds are heavenly.

There are so many good albums and artists coming into the fold that haven't popped, but just wait, eventually they will rise above the BS and permeate your ears.

I really liked parts of Jhene Aiko and Big Sean's "Twenty88" EP. Some songs on Rhianna's "ANTI" were really good, yes, I'm including Work with it's nasty futuristic dancehall sound.

Some of Thugger's Slime Season 3 was classic goodness as well, maybe it's because I'm entrenched in the music industry that I am looking at their songs in a positive matter, but damn you guys are some whiners.

We also have Kendrick's "Untitled, Unmastered" projects, where he really shines on songs like track 2.

Lemonade was amazing as well, that country song called Daddy Lessons was simply amazing and her collaborations were spot on. Beyonce finally delivered that classic that her catalogue was sorely missing.

Kaytranada the legendary producer dropped an album with guests like Vic Mensa, Anderson Paak(Check out his new album Malibu) and even PHONTE called 99.9% which is what should have received on Metacritic because I cannot find one flaw with this album. Every song is a masterpiece but I'm especially fond of "Together" with one of favourite rappers, Goldlink(check out his tapes "The God Complex" and " And then we were..")

Chance the Rapper dropped an album this year too, titled "Colouring Book" and it's so rich and colourful in terms of the sounds it uses and the pictures he paints with his raspy voice and constantly shifting rhyme schemes.

We also have one of my favourite rappers of all time, YG who just came out with his second studio album, "Still Brazy". I know that either Prime or Dooms really loves that G-funk west coast sound, so listen to the title track to get a feel of what's in store for you. Coming of the instant classic of 2014, "My Krazy Life" the bar is set high and he delivers. This dude simply knows how to make an album revolve around set narratives without making it monotonous.

Drake released "Views", up here in Toronto you simply cannot escape it, so it's already starting to be unbearable, but I do love tracks like "Controlla", One Dance", and "U Wit Me?". Overall, this shit leaves a lot to be desired, I'll give it like a 4.5 out of ten.
Jeremiah, seriously. Nigha is ass. Does he scream "Ah" in every song.

[Just2McFly]

Jeremiah, seriously. Nigha is ass. Does he scream "Ah" in every song.
Who's Jeremiah?

Also, I'm pretty sure Michael Jackson is the "nigha" that screams "ah" in every song.

[sd3035]

It's not living in the past if someone recognizes that movies, fashion, art, etc is as good or better today, but pop music is absolute garbage

[GINOBILI!]

It is almost sad when old people try to enjoy the music of the youth.

[L.Kizzle]

52 year old R. KELLY just put out a song called "The Psuuy Belongs To Me."
:biggums:

[Rocketswin2013]

i find myself only listening to underground artists and more unique genres. there are some pretty good songs from mainstream artists that i listen to every now and then though.

[Rocketswin2013]

It's not living in the past if someone recognizes that movies, fashion, art, etc is as good or better today, but pop music is absolute garbage
Agreed. TV is GOAT right now too.

[jamal99]

I'm not really saying today's pop is worse than yesterday's (although it does seem that way)

I was driving like an hour ago and some radio station played "Anastacia - Sick & Tired". Swear to god it's better than like 99% of mainstream today and it came out in 2004, not even that old...

[tmacattack33]

Pop has always been dominated by trends and gimmicks.

Ariana Grande > Britney Spears

Bieber and Taylor Swift > Backstreet Boys and Nnsync

[DonDadda59]

Ariana Grande > Britney Spears



Grande is built like an anorexic 11 year old boy. Prime Britney looked like this:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/4d/5b/ae/4d5baec30cab544654ffd85990b71886.jpg

That automatically makes her>>>

[Just2McFly]

Grande is built like an anorexic 11 year old boy. Prime Britney looked like this:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/4d/5b/ae/4d5baec30cab544654ffd85990b71886.jpg

That automatically makes her>>>

This nullifies this thread.