Privatisation is slowly killing off work/life structure...

[poido123]

Australian government selling off assets is a travesty.


Road tolls, water, phone companies privatising etc. have all placed big pressure on household incomes.


Fulltime work is disappearing because of it, which then adds further pressure on our health system.


Privatisation is like a cancer.

[plowking]

Privatisation is generally a good thing. Even one of the examples you listed, phone companies, has been beneficial for consumers.

Since Telstra went through the whole process, phone bills have gone down and there has been more competition in the market.

Only when they start dealing with necessities is it a problem. Electricity, water, etc. I mean, even student loan repayment shit...

[Duderonomy]

It drives wages down for sure. The turnover rate makes it easier for some to find work. Like GM factory workers used to make $25 hour now get hired in at $11-13. None of the $25 were giving up their spot. Now at $13 is that tedious work really worth it? Another example would be school janitors. Basically companies are paying someone $10 Less to save $3. It was a big deal in states like Wisconsin and Michigan 5 years ago.

[Jameerthefear]

this is a weird thing for a trump supporter to say

[NumberSix]

Why the hell would you want government chimps running these businesses?

[coin24]

Welcome to Australia where people work and don't live. Especially Sydney

They've actually just announced electricity bills will be increasing now of course. Try the road tolls here, certain areas will cost you $15-$20 to get to the city

[ALBballer]

Why the hell would you want government chimps running these businesses?

I am generally for limited government but there are certain areas the government should handle because theoritically the government serves the people and businesses serve their shareholders.

[Im Still Ballin]

Damn we got some loser mentality australians in here

It's out of your control dude

Get the smarts,

Build up that passive income

Or continue to slave away

Life is a cruise when you get close to a grand every single day from adsense

[NumberSix]

I am generally for limited government but there are certain areas the government should handle because theoritically the government serves the people and businesses serve their shareholders.
Who would you trust to develop auto safety technology, the government or Mercedes-Benz?

[Riddler]

Road tolls





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[poido123]

Welcome to Australia where people work and don't live. Especially Sydney

They've actually just announced electricity bills will be increasing now of course. Try the road tolls here, certain areas will cost you $15-$20 to get to the city


Then 15-20 dollars to park somewhere :hammerhead:

[poido123]

Who would you trust to develop auto safety technology, the government or Mercedes-Benz?


There are certain examples like this one that are the exceptions.


Perhaps you could limit this to living expenses, not luxury items.


Roads, electricity/water, phone companies etc are part of living expenses or expenses that we have to use. These are areas which should NEVER be privatised.


There is nothing good about the decline of fulltime jobs and placing all the leverage in employer's hands.

[NumberSix]

There are certain examples like this one that are the exceptions.


Perhaps you could limit this to living expenses, not luxury items.


Roads, electricity/water, phone companies etc are part of living expenses or expenses that we have to use. These are areas which should NEVER be privatised.


There is nothing good about the decline of fulltime jobs and placing all the leverage in employer's hands.
Phone companies? That's awfully fcuking random. Why phone companies of all things?

[poido123]

Phone companies? That's awfully fcuking random. Why phone companies of all things?


Telstra formerly known as telecom here was sold off by the government.


It used to be 100% government owned, but was incremently sold off.


I'd consider phone and internet as part of essentials.

[NumberSix]

Telstra formerly known as telecom here was sold off by the government.


It used to be 100% government owned, but was incremently sold off.


I'd consider phone and internet as part of essentials.
Food is essential. I'm assuming that grocery stores in Australia aren't run by the government.

[poido123]

Food is essential. I'm assuming that grocery stores in Australia aren't run by the government.


That's right.


I mean, common sense would suggest that some things have to be privatised and open to competition in the market. I'm just saying that some of the common essentials should be under the umbrella of government, to protect the vulnerablle from escalating costs of living.


In most societies, over 90% of the population are outside of the wealthy bracket. If these people aren't protected from privatisation, you leave yourself open to rising mental health issues and homelessness.

[NumberSix]

That's right.


I mean, common sense would suggest that some things have to be privatised and open to competition in the market. I'm just saying that some of the common essentials should be under the umbrella of government, to protect the vulnerablle from escalating costs of living.
And you think that things being run by the government will result in them being LESS expensive? Why would you think that?

[poido123]

And you think that things being run by the government will result in them being LESS expensive? Why would you think that?


No doubt.


The government aren't working for shareholders and the most important thing is that they can regulate the costs, not focused on profits.


The trouble with privatisation is that the companies are motivated to appease their shareholders and bring in profit. That leads to companies hiring casual staff, optimising production(4 hours shifts), and cutting corners on safety standards in the workplace to meet deadlines and cost targets.


I'm not saying companies making money is an evil thing, but it shouldn't be interfering with work/life structure.

[andgar923]

Privatization CAN be good and at times better.

There are certain things that the government simply can't be as efficient or as good in. Government employees become lazy because they usually can't get fired. The lack of motivation by all involved can be negative.

Whereas companies are driven by profit so they cannot remain as complacent. Private companies can offer more flexibility in different aspects.

A good balance of both is best.

OP wants a communist society it seems.

[UK2K]

I am generally for limited government but there are certain areas the government should handle because theoritically the government serves the people and businesses serve their shareholders.


But the government isn't responsible for someone's healthcare.

The government isn't responsible for a lot of things that they have their hands in now.

[Im Still Ballin]

Greed is a good thing. Private sector is where the winners play ball baby.

[Im Still Ballin]

OP need to stop doing this
http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/3f22dd7fb7c44694a82da1e10f9ffdd2/woman-with-hand-out-begging-on-street-of-san-miguel-de-allende-mexico-axyk79.jpg

And start doing a bit more of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGXzlRoNtHU

[UK2K]

OP need to stop doing this
http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/3f22dd7fb7c44694a82da1e10f9ffdd2/woman-with-hand-out-begging-on-street-of-san-miguel-de-allende-mexico-axyk79.jpg

And start doing a bit more of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGXzlRoNtHU

If the rich Democrats gave as much to charity as they want everyone else to, government could get out of the welfare business too.

[Im Still Ballin]

If the rich Democrats gave as much to charity as they want everyone else to, government could get out of the welfare business too.
The altruistic call to action, while they enjoy their fortunes

The oldest deception in the book. Call upon their humanity and morality.

[Cactus-Sack]

Trent, you are a fvcking idiot. Literally everything has a lower sum cost when produced by private enterprise compared to the state.


Love you blaming high unemployment on the private sector while absolving the real cause (the state) of all guilt.


Fvcking idiot Trent.

[NumberSix]

No doubt.


The government aren't working for shareholders and the most important thing is that they can regulate the costs, not focused on profits.


The trouble with privatisation is that the companies are motivated to appease their shareholders and bring in profit. That leads to companies hiring casual staff, optimising production(4 hours shifts), and cutting corners on safety standards in the workplace to meet deadlines and cost targets.


I'm not saying companies making money is an evil thing, but it shouldn't be interfering with work/life structure.
You'll notice that the iPhone wasn't invented in Australia. If the government controlled the phone business, we'd all still be using rotary phones with the long curly cords and public pay phones.

[poido123]

Trent, you are a fvcking idiot. Literally everything has a lower sum cost when produced by private enterprise compared to the state.


Love you blaming high unemployment on the private sector while absolving the real cause (the state) of all guilt.


Fvcking idiot Trent.


I didn't blame it for high unemployment, that simply isn't true. There's an argument that more are employed under privatised business by taking the risk away from the employer and placing it squarely back on the employee by hiring more casuals and cutting out pre employment costs and the conditions placed inside a fulltime worker contract.

I am advocating for government to protect people from the monopoly of businesses to dictate what quality of work/life balance they will have. People are at the mercy of businesses which are working for the shareholders, not the people they employ. The problem with this is, fulltime jobs disappear and ruthless practices are carried out to achieve exorbitant profits.


There will be wastage and there will be lazy people working in government. But if you don't protect individuals from greedy corporations, the cost will trickle down into other areas which I think is being overlooked here.

[poido123]

You'll notice that the iPhone wasn't invented in Australia. If the government controlled the phone business, we'd all still be using rotary phones with the long curly cords and public pay phones.


Government would control the use of the phones.

For example, phone usage, infrastructure costs, and everything that goes into the use of the phone.


The sales of the phone would remain in the privatised market.

As I eluded to before, I'm more concerned with the government protecting the common people from poorly regulated costs associated to usage, where businesses are able to raise prices without any regulatory authority keeping it in check.


Even internet here is a joke. We have to pay in increment levels of usage and speed, instead of a set monthly cost that they have in America and most other regions of the world.

[NumberSix]

Government would control the use of the phones.

For example, phone usage, infrastructure costs, and everything that goes into the use of the phone.


The sales of the phone would remain in the privatised market.

As I eluded to before, I'm more concerned with the government protecting the common people from poorly regulated costs associated to usage, where businesses are able to raise prices without any regulatory authority keeping it in check.
Where do you get this idea that businesses will just randomly raise prices? The fact that they have to compete is what keeps prices low. What kind of selling line is "we charge more than the competition"?


Even internet here is a joke. We have to pay in increment levels of usage and speed, instead of a set monthly cost that they have in America and most other regions of the world.
Yeah, the reason for that is probably government interference.

[Cactus-Sack]

I didn't blame it for high unemployment, that simply isn't true. There's an argument that more are employed under privatised business by taking the risk away from the employer and placing it squarely back on the employee by hiring more casuals and cutting out pre employment costs and the conditions placed inside a fulltime worker contract.

I am advocating for government to protect people from the monopoly of businesses to dictate what quality of work/life balance they will have. People are at the mercy of businesses which are working for the shareholders, not the people they employ. The problem with this is, fulltime jobs disappear and ruthless practices are carried out to achieve exorbitant profits.


There will be wastage and there will be lazy people working in government. But if you don't protect individuals from greedy corporations, the cost will trickle down into other areas which I think is being overlooked here.


You did blame unemployment on privatisation in the OP, but whatever.

I don't think you know what a monopoly is, because that is not the correct usage for that word.

Australia has the of the most favourable conditions for employees in the world, I think you might wanna stop reading the Fairfax media Trent, go back to the Murdoch papers.


Yeah, the reason for that is probably government interference.


It is and has not improved after a ridiculously expensive national broadband network infrastructure project.

[poido123]

Where do you get this idea that businesses will just randomly raise prices? The fact that they have to compete is what keeps prices low. What kind of selling line is "we charge more than the competition"?


Yeah, the reason for that is probably government interference.



Double edged sword.


Lack of competition will drive the prices up. Supply and demand.

[NumberSix]

Double edged sword.


Lack of competition will drive the prices up. Supply and demand.
Government run business = lack of competition.

[poido123]

Government run business = lack of competition.


I'm not arguing against that.


I'm arguing for government to protect the 98% of people from exploitation and maintaining the work/life structure in our society.


As in, we need more fulltime jobs and less casual jobs.

[NumberSix]

I'm not arguing against that.


I'm arguing for government to protect the 98% of people from exploitation and maintaining the work/life structure in our society.


As in, we need more fulltime jobs and less casual jobs.
Wtf are casual jobs? I'm guessing that's a common Australian phrase that everyone their understands, but I don't know what that is. Is that part time jobs or seasonal work? :confusedshrug:

[poido123]

Wtf are casual jobs? I'm guessing that's a common Australian phrase that everyone their understands, but I don't know what that is. Is that part time jobs or seasonal work? :confusedshrug:


No leave entitlements.

Employer can fire employee much easier than part or fulltime workers.

Less overall cost and in many cases, employer doesn't pay pre employment costs.

Higher hourly rate and loading, however worker has no job security and less overall and no guaranteed hours.

That's what casual work is.


Part time you get all the leave entitlements but less promised hours and the same job security as a full time worker.


I'd say full and part time work here is similar to America in that respect.

[masonanddixon]

No shit, it's getting disgusting now, trying to turn the Sunshine Coast into Brisbane, you have Sekesui trying to con the Sunshine Coast into building a freaking high rise on the beach...everything is turning to shit here...won't be a reef left in 20 years.

Multiculturalism is a fuuuucking plague.

[masonanddixon]

Wtf are casual jobs? I'm guessing that's a common Australian phrase that everyone their understands, but I don't know what that is. Is that part time jobs or seasonal work? :confusedshrug:

Yes same thing.

[plowking]

You'll notice that the iPhone wasn't invented in Australia. If the government controlled the phone business, we'd all still be using rotary phones with the long curly cords and public pay phones.

Completely true given the amount Australia puts into entrepreneur support, and research/development sector. :oldlol:

But, that is a completely different tangent and not really what is being discussed.

Government overpays on just about every job. That is why most people talk about getting a cushy gov't job over here. You don't do much, but you get a decent salary. 3 years out of university, you can get a job in gov't over here paying anywhere from $65-85k, and you don't do diddly squat.

Necessities like gas, water, electricity and what not need to be under gov't supervision, but everything else... nah. Everything run by the gov't takes forever to process or get done. People who actually like working and getting shit done have always preferred the private sector.

[Im Still Ballin]

Completely true given the amount Australia puts into entrepreneur support, and research/development sector. :oldlol:

But, that is a completely different tangent and not really what is being discussed.

Government overpays on just about every job. That is why most people talk about getting a cushy gov't job over here. You don't do much, but you get a decent salary. 3 years out of university, you can get a job in gov't over here paying anywhere from $65-85k, and you don't do diddly squat.

Necessities like gas, water, electricity and what not need to be under gov't supervision, but everything else... nah. Everything run by the gov't takes forever to process or get done. People who actually like working and getting shit done have always preferred the private sector.
Ace comment.

I'm surprised these types of posters are complaining about this... Uncharacteristic if you ask me.

[masonanddixon]

Completely true given the amount Australia puts into entrepreneur support, and research/development sector. :oldlol:

But, that is a completely different tangent and not really what is being discussed.

Government overpays on just about every job. That is why most people talk about getting a cushy gov't job over here. You don't do much, but you get a decent salary. 3 years out of university, you can get a job in gov't over here paying anywhere from $65-85k, and you don't do diddly squat.

Necessities like gas, water, electricity and what not need to be under gov't supervision, but everything else... nah. Everything run by the gov't takes forever to process or get done. People who actually like working and getting shit done have always preferred the private sector.

Yeah but it's literally the only country which hasn't nationalised its mining/natural resources extraction, which is another reason why the country's going to shit.

[Cactus-Sack]

Completely true given the amount Australia puts into entrepreneur support, and research/development sector. :oldlol:

But, that is a completely different tangent and not really what is being discussed.

Government overpays on just about every job. That is why most people talk about getting a cushy gov't job over here. You don't do much, but you get a decent salary. 3 years out of university, you can get a job in gov't over here paying anywhere from $65-85k, and you don't do diddly squat.

Necessities like gas, water, electricity and what not need to be under gov't supervision, but everything else... nah. Everything run by the gov't takes forever to process or get done. People who actually like working and getting shit done have always preferred the private sector.

Bloke I know got a HNIC type job at centrelink using his management qualification he got becoming a shift manager at maccas

[ALBballer]

Who would you trust to develop auto safety technology, the government or Mercedes-Benz?

The government doesn't produce cars.

Who would you trust to run prisons, courts, law enforcement and etc?


You'll notice that the iPhone wasn't invented in Australia. If the government controlled the phone business, we'd all still be using rotary phones with the long curly cords and public pay phones.

Oh really? What about the technological breakthroughs NASA has made?

[plowking]

Bloke I know got a HNIC type job at centrelink using his management qualification he got becoming a shift manager at maccas

A beautiful thing.

And we end up with far more qualified people underneath people like this due to not having "experience". :oldlol:
University education is such a dupe at the moment. Holds no where near the esteem it once did, which is complete horseshit.

Anyway, end of my mini rant.