0-1, 0 Points in last 5:10 minutes of the game

[TomCat]

Damn what a stat line by the King. Doesn't he want to win?

[FreezingTsmoove]

If you told a kid in the stands the 3rd greatest player of all time was on the court he would have guessed Derozan

[SpaceJam]

If you told a kid in the stands the 3rd greatest player of all time was on the court he would have guessed Biyombo

fixed.

[Twiens]

He's literally terrified of Biyombo at this point.

[FreezingTsmoove]

fixed.

Lebron was the 3rd best player this game and you want me to sit here and believe hes the 3rd greatest basketballer in the history of the sport

:lol

[3ball]

0-1, 0 Points in last 5:10 minutes of the game


That's why he doesn't compare to Jordan - Jordan averaged 5.5 more ppg in the playoffs with better clutch and efficiency across the board.. These things control the game better than Lebron's 2.5 defensive rebound edge (with less offensive rebounds) and 1.0 assist edge (with more turnovers).

There's never been a #1 option that scored 5.5 more points on better efficiency that wasn't considered the FAR better player.. Can you imagine if Lebron averaged 5.5 more ppg with better efficiency?.. He'd be on a completely different level.






Damn what a stat line by the King.


Similar to the 2011 playoffs, Lebron's team is so stacked that they don't need him to lead in scoring - he trails Kyrie by 2 ppg, whereas the Bulls needed Jordan to be scoring leader for every playoff series of his career by an average of 15.4 ppg (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=406920).

In addition to Jordan's goat scoring load, he had the highest assist percentage on the Bulls for both 3-peats (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11713121&postcount=49), so he assisted on the highest proportion of teammate FG's.. Jordan's team-leading passing, goat scoring, and best-ever defense at his position is the best all-round performance ever and the biggest load ever carried.





Doesn't he want to win?


Lebron is lucky that good shooting isn't needed to be a top scorer in today's game - his midrange percentage is below 40% for 10 of 13 seasons (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12389794&postcount=17) and his career 3-point percentage is only 31% in the playoffs.

The reality is that Lebron, Westbrook, Wade, Derozan and Butler ALL (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12389778&postcount=41) have sub-par 3-point and midrange efficiency, but they're still top scorers because today's wide open spacing and hands-off defense allows athletic players easier access to the rim than ever before.

MJ's athleticism would benefit the same way, except he had goat midrange efficiency, even better than Curry's (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12373019&postcount=26), which gives him a massive advantage over non-shooters Lebron, Westbrick and company.. MJ had Lebron/Westbrook's athleticism, with better midrange shooting than Steph Curry.. That's the goat

[SouBeachTalents]

Lebron was the 3rd best player this game and you want me to sit here and believe hes the 3rd greatest basketballer in the history of the sport

:lol

Yes, because a single game defines an entire players career. I guess I can pick a bad game by Jordan and claim he isn't GOAT

[3ball]

Yes, because a single game defines an entire players career. I guess I can pick a bad game by Jordan and claim he isn't GOAT
Only fools think Lebron is #3 all-time.

That's insane.

His game doesn't foster optimal basketball - if you can't see that by now, then you don't know basketball.

If you think 2/6 is just random chance, then you're a dumbass

[FreezingTsmoove]

Yes, because a single game defines an entire players career. I guess I can pick a bad game by Jordan and claim he isn't GOAT

The entire 2007 finals
The entire 2011 finals
Game 4 of 2015 finals where he went scoreless in the 4th
Game 5 and 6 of 2015 finals where he was blown out
2014 finals one of the most lopsided series defeats in finals history

[3ball]

The entire 2007 finals
The entire 2011 finals
Game 4 of 2015 finals where he went scoreless in the 4th
Game 5 and 6 of 2015 finals where he was blown out
2014 finals one of the most lopsided series defeats in finals history


http://45.media.tumblr.com/2c20d5e4422cd9b0fe67fdba42dde93d/tumblr_nequ00GLR51u3o7azo1_400.gif

[nba_55]

The entire 2007 finals
The entire 2011 finals
Game 4 of 2015 finals where he went scoreless in the 4th
Game 5 and 6 of 2015 finals where he was blown out
2014 finals one of the most lopsided series defeats in finals history

2014 was more on Wade and Spo than Lebron. The first 2 games were close only because of Lebron. 2011 criticism is correct. In 2015, Cavs won 2 games when they shouldn't even have won any with the roster they had. They were basically playing with 7 guys and Mozgov was the 2nd best player. You had guy like James Jones getting significant minutes.

[kamil]

The entire 2007 finals
The entire 2011 finals
Game 4 of 2015 finals where he went scoreless in the 4th
Game 5 and 6 of 2015 finals where he was blown out
2014 finals one of the most lopsided series defeats in finals history

Wasn't one of... it WAS the most lopsided series. Largest margin of finals victory ever. LeBron* and the rest of Miami got completely shit on.

[Lebronxrings]

He was trying to engage his teammates maybe? One man can't do it by himself.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

What's the 1? The turnover?

[3ball]

:rolleyes:

[3ball]

2015 finals



Even with Lebron shooting 39% and allowing Iggy an extra 10 ppg, the Cavs were still competitive and won 2 games - clearly, if he holds Iggy to 7 ppg and shoots 50%, the Cavs win easily.






2011 finals



Worst Finals performance by an all-time great EVER

Disqualifies him from top 5 status, probably top 10 too







2007 Finals



Despite Lebron's 22 ppg on 35%, all 4 games were single-digit affairs, including 1-possession nail-biters in Games 3 and 4.. (edit: Game 1 was 11 pt game)

The Cavs had a great defense, but just needed a consistent volume scorer to win.







2007 Finals




Many guys played better against the same Spurs team:



Lebron vs. Spurs in 2007 Finals: 22 ppg on 35%

Melo vs. Spurs in 2007 1st Rd: 27 ppg on 48%

Dirk vs. Spurs in 2007.. WCF: 27 ppg on 53%

Kobe vs. Spurs in 2008.. WCF: 29 ppg on 53%



The reason for Lebron's worse efficiency was JUMPSHOOTING EFFICIENCY:



....................... midrange jumpshot FG%..... 3-point jumpshot FG%..... Jumpshot proportion of offense

Lebron 2007 Finals (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/shooting/?Season=2006-07&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4) .............14.8........................... 20.0............................... 52.2
Dirk 2006 WCF (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/1717/stats/shooting/?Season=2005-06&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=3) ..................41.3........................... 50.0 .............................. 61.2
Melo 2007 1st Rd (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2546/stats/shooting/?Season=2006-07&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=1) ...............37.5........................... 50.0 .............................. 59.1
Kobe 2008 WCF (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/shooting/?Season=2007-08&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=3) .................50.0........................... 33.3............................... 63.3




Everyone shot well on jumpers against the Spurs, EXCEPT Lebron - the so the Spurs jumpshooting defense clearly wasn't prohibitive - Lebron just can't shoot.







2014 finals



Lebron's defense was very good the first 2 games against Kawhi (9 ppg on 43%), and not surprisingly, the Heat were tied 1-1... They were competitive with the Spurs, just like OKC and Dallas were, who held Kawhi to 12 ppg on 45%.

But then Lebron gave up in Game 3 - Kawhi proceeded to run roughshod the last 3 games for 24 ppg on 69% - this is the biggest reason the series changed - that's a 15 point swing.

Better defense on Kawhi would've kept the games closer, and the Heat could've WON the series if Lebron coupled his better defense on Kawhi with more offensive aggression - he only averaged 17 shot attempts, which was HALF his attempts in 2015 Finals that won 2 games with a worse supporting cast (the injured Cavs) against a better team (Warriors)..

Obviously, if Lebron plays good defense on Kawhi AND doubles his shot attempts to 33 per game like the 2015 Finals, the Heat would've won.

[FreezingTsmoove]

2014 was more on Wade and Spo than Lebron. The first 2 games were close only because of Lebron. 2011 criticism is correct. In 2015, Cavs won 2 games when they shouldn't even have won any with the roster they had. They were basically playing with 7 guys and Mozgov was the 2nd best player. You had guy like James Jones getting significant minutes.

Lebron literally constructed and recruited the 2014 team himself

He thought it was GON B EAZY so he got Riley to sign Rashard Lewis, Greg Oden, and Michael Beasley :lol

When shit hit the fan and they realized they needed depth Lebron bolted to construct a better team

LeGM holds the L for that one

[nba_55]

Lebron literally constructed and recruited the 2014 team himself

He thought it was GON B EAZY so he got Riley to sign Rashard Lewis, Greg Oden, and Michael Beasley :lol

When shit hit the fan and they realized they needed depth Lebron bolted to construct a better team

LeGM holds the L for that one

You made lots of claim. Can you provide quotes or any other evidence to support your claims? I can make the same claims and replace Lebron's name with Wade. Why would your claims mean more than mine?


Wade literally constructed and recruited the 2014 team himself

He thought it was GON B EAZY so he got Riley to sign Rashard Lewis, Greg Oden, and Michael Beasley :lol

When shit hit the fan and they realized they needed depth Wade bolted to construct a better team

WaGM holds the L for that one

[FreezingTsmoove]

You made lots of claim. Can you provide quotes or any other evidence to support your claims? I can make the same claims and replace Lebron's name with Wade. Why would your claims mean more than mine?


Wade literally constructed and recruited the 2014 team himself

He thought it was GON B EAZY so he got Riley to sign Rashard Lewis, Greg Oden, and Michael Beasley :lol

When shit hit the fan and they realized they needed depth Wade bolted to construct a better team

WaGM holds the L for that one

He wanted to get dem bois an easy ring and failed

Its common sense

[nba_55]

He wanted to get dem bois an easy ring and failed

Its common sense

:oldlol: That's all you got?
Take this L, I'm done with you. :lol

[FreezingTsmoove]

:oldlol: That's all you got?
Take this L, I'm done with you. :lol

Well to be fair I completely shut down your first post

So we both can have a L here

[Prime_Shaq]

If you told a kid in the stands the 3rd greatest player of all time was on the court he would have guessed Derozan
Steven Adams*

[FreezingTsmoove]

Steven Adams*

You good fam?

[Inferno]

Bron stans avoiding this thread like the plague :oldlol:

[knicksman]

:oldlol: once a loser, always a loser

[Gileraracer]

Choker

[aj1987]

:oldlol: once a loser, always a loser
What does that say about the Knicks as a franchise?

[ImKobe]

Knew who's stat line it was before even opening the thread

1 shot and 0 points in the last 5 minutes of a close game by the supposed best player in the league :kobe:

How you gonna let a team that you were supposed to sweep win b2b games?

If this series goes 7 man :facepalm

[Gileraracer]

Choker

Edit: somehow twice

[knicksman]

What does that say about the Knicks as a franchise?


I though you werent a bran stan aj? :oldlol: stay losing my friend

[aj1987]

I though you werent a bran stan aj? :oldlol: stay losing my friend
Answer the question, warrionfan.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Answer the question, warrionfan.
Great avy:applause: :applause:

[knicksman]

Answer the question, warrionfan.


Lol my team are the defending champs my friend. While it would take awhile for you to taste winning again:lol

[GeeWiz]

AJ, you really gonna defend the subject line? Let's be honest, if Melo, Kobe, Harden or any other "inefficient chucker" didn't score in the last 5 mins of the game, you would call them a choker.

He deserves to be called out for it as hes a superstar.

[aj1987]

Lol my team are the defending champs my friend. While it would take awhile for you to taste winning again:lol
Bangwagon ******.

GSW has been relevant for like 2 seasons after 40 years.:oldlol:



AJ, you really gonna defend the subject line? Let's be honest, if Melo, Kobe, Harden or any other "inefficient chucker" didn't score in the last 5 mins of the game, you would call them a choker.

He deserves to be called out for it as hes a superstar.
How am I defending LeBron? He was passive AF and cost his team the game. Lobe and JR played like shit, but the loss is on LeBron for his passive AF play.

[bigkingsfan]

He's building his teammates confidence for the finals, trust the process.

[Prime_Shaq]

Lol my team are the defending champs my friend. While it would take awhile for you to taste winning again:lol
Alright KNICKSman

[Prime_Shaq]

You good fam?
I just want Steven Adams inside of me

[sportjames23]

I just want Steven Adams inside of me

:biggums:

[Prime_Shaq]

:biggums:
You wouldn't?

[bigkingsfan]

You wouldn't?
I want his sister inside me.

[sportjames23]

You wouldn't?

:coleman:

[sportjames23]

I want his sister inside me.


:biggums:

[Prime_Shaq]

:coleman:
You're off the list

[Prime_Shaq]

I want his sister inside me.
Based on the amount of times I got laid in the past year, I wouldn't mind either. Or both. At the same time.

[Snarky Narc]

Damn what a stat line by the King. Doesn't he want to win?
Yes, but he doesn't know how to without Wade.

[Dresta]

He's always been a little and petty and scared man on the inside. Just look at his face in all the many moments he's been involved in gross failures.

[Cap'n Obvious]

LeBron didn't shoot much near the end of the game.

[Hey Yo]

3ball quote below posting more lies.



Many guys played better against the same Spurs team:

Lebron vs. Spurs in 2007 Finals: 22 ppg on 35%

Melo vs. Spurs in 2007 1st Rd: 27 ppg on 48%

Dirk vs. Spurs in 2007.. WCF: 27 ppg on 53%

Kobe vs. Spurs in 2008.. WCF: 29 ppg on 53%
Dallas wasn't in the 2007 WCF.

Nothing he writes or the stats he posts can be trusted (w/o looking it up yourself) because he's been busted many times changing them to fit his criteria/agenda

[PP34Deuce]

He is scared to shoot the ball. It frustrates me as a fan of him because he literally has no jumper. There was a time he hit mid range shots and the occasional 3.

He's playing like a 6'8 Rondo. It's dissappointing. They will win this series but he needs to get in the gym and shoot shoot shoot in the offseason.

[sd3035]

As a Lebron fan, it's often hard to watch him constantly choke and shrivel up in the clutch

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2016/0227/LeBronShootingInClutchTimeNEXTLEVEL.png

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

You never really know what you're gonna get from LeBron.

There's been a handful of games where dude has taken over on a big stage and looked pretty unstoppable. On the flip side; however, there's been just as many where he goes full-blown casper and you couldn't even tell he was in the damn game.

Just strange.

To be fair, he did play the entire second half and looked gassed. One could argue his competition has been meek up until this point, though, so that shouldn't really matter.

[dreamwarrior]

Lebron would've lost the game for them. Kicking it out to shooters gave them a chance. They played a great 4th and it took a perfect 4th by the Raptors to get the win.