Why are we not talking about the recent explosion of an Egyptian airliner?

[9erempiree]

:confusedshrug:

WTF is going on in this world.

[UK2K]

Because terrorism is so common these days, nobody cares.

Global warming is the real danger. :oldlol:

[nathanjizzle]

because planes disappearing from the sky is not shocking anymore.

[UK2K]

because planes disappearing from the sky is not shocking anymore.

There's been 5 planes go 'missing' over the last 20 years.

What you meant to say was planes being blown up by terrorism isn't shocking anymore. When a plane goes 'missing', its a big ****ing deal, especially in 2016. When a plane is blown up, eh, it happens.

[9erempiree]

because planes disappearing from the sky is not shocking anymore.

Good point.

Just like I don't even get fazed by rapes and beheadings. Crazy of what I have become. Thank you Islam.:rolleyes:

No matter if we are shocked or not shocked....I still care dammit.

[tomtucker]

because it only had 64 dirty arabs onboard........had it had 200+ , then it would have been worth celebrating

64 down.......10000000000000000 to go :(

[Riddler]

And because I already exposed it as a conspiracy...

within 3 hours of the event taking place.

[DonDadda59]

No terrorist group has claimed responsibility, which is extremely odd if it was indeed a terrorist attack. Also, there were indicators that it wasn't a sudden event like an explosion that brought the plane down. A smoke alarm went off, etc.

Finding the black boxes would help sort out the mystery.

[UK2K]

No terrorist group has claimed responsibility, which is extremely odd if it was indeed a terrorist attack. Also, there were indicators that it wasn't a sudden event like an explosion that brought the plane down. A smoke alarm went off, etc.

Finding the black boxes would help sort out the mystery.

No, it's irrefutable that it was a sudden explosion. The cause of the explosion is the question, but...


Human remains recovered from the crash site of EgyptAir Flight 804 showed burn marks and were "very tiny," suggesting an explosion brought down the plane, a senior Egyptian forensics official told the Associated Press Tuesday.

Meanwhile, a U.S. official briefed on the latest intelligence told Fox News, "All signs continue to point to terrorism."

Terrorism is still the most likely cause.

[DonDadda59]

No, it's irrefutable that it was a sudden explosion. The cause of the explosion is the question, but...



Terrorism is still the most likely cause.

It's very possible, that was my first thought when i heard the news. But still, all this time and none of the major terror groups (ISIS, Al Qaeda, Boko Haram, etc) have claimed responsibility. Very odd, there was an attack in Iraq the other day and ISIS publicly claimed responsibility a few hours later. Last time an airliner was brought down by a bomb in Egypt, ISIS was tweeting pictures (http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/18/middleeast/metrojet-crash-dabiq-claim/) of the device that was used. This time- complete silence.

And then there's a contradiction of your post above:

Forensics Analyst Denies Explosion Claim (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-36366600)

We need those black boxes in order to conclusively know what happened.

[FillJackson]

No, it's irrefutable that it was a sudden explosion. The cause of the explosion is the question, but...

Are there non-sudden explosions?

Dadda's post seems to indicate that other things were failing prior to the explosion. If I put a bomb on a plane, it's not going to cause other things to happen prior to the explosion.

[UK2K]

It's very possible, that was my first thought when i heard the news. But still, all this time and none of the major terror groups (ISIS, Al Qaeda, Boko Haram, etc) have claimed responsibility. Very odd, there was an attack in Iraq the other day and ISIS publicly claimed responsibility a few hours later. Last time an airliner was brought down by a bomb in Egypt, ISIS was tweeting pictures (http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/18/middleeast/metrojet-crash-dabiq-claim/) of the device that was used. This time- complete silence.

And then there's a contradiction of your post above:

Forensics Analyst Denies Explosion Claim (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-36366600)

We need those black boxes in order to conclusively know what happened.

It's 2016... you would think those things would be easy to find by now. I can hold my phone up to the night sky and an app will tell me the names of stars hundreds of light years away...

But we can't find a box with a GPS location device in it.

I get the water is 8,000 feet deep, but the gps on my phone can tell me where I am within 1 meter.

Never understood why its so difficult unless the black box isn't giving off a signal in which case a) they need a new design and b) they'll never find it.

[FillJackson]

check out the video on this page
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-36366600

First indication was a cockpit window was overheating, then smoke in a bathroom and the electronics bay under the cockpit. Then over a few minutes the computer systems go down.

The event takes 7 minutes.

[FillJackson]

It's 2016... you would think those things would be easy to find by now. I can hold my phone up to the night sky and an app will tell me the names of stars hundreds of light years away...

But we can't find a box with a GPS location device in it.

I get the water is 8,000 feet deep, but the gps on my phone can tell me where I am within 1 meter.

Never understood why its so difficult unless the black box isn't giving off a signal in which case a) they need a new design and b) they'll never find it.
They are easier to find on land considering they are often with the wreckage of the plan, but not in the ocean. They sink like a stone.

And they do not have GPS on them. They have an underwater locator beacon. To generate a GPS signal through thousands of feet of water would require a lot of power.

[UK2K]

check out the video on this page
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-36366600

First indication was a cockpit window was overheating, then smoke in a bathroom and the electronics bay under the cockpit. Then over a few minutes the computer systems go down.

The event takes 7 minutes.

The video? Or the actual event? Because the actual event took less than 4.


At 00:26 GMT smoke was detected in the toilet, according to data sent back to the airline via the ACARS reporting system.

At 00:27 GMT, more smoke was reportedly detected in the avionics area which contains the aircraft's electronics and computers below the cockpit.
The controllers tried to make contact with the plane at 00:27 GMT, before it left Greek airspace, but despite repeated calls, the aircraft did not respond.

At 00:29 GMT, the aircraft left Greek airspace and at 00:29.40 GMT it vanished from Greek radar.

At some point before the aircraft was lost from radar, it turned 90 degrees left and then 360 degrees to the right, dropping from 37,000 [11,300m] to 15,000ft [4,600m] and then 10,000ft [3,000m], according to Greek investigators.

Ehab Azmy, the head of Egypt's state-run provider of air navigation services said the plane did not divert from its course at any point. He also said the crew did not make any calls reporting smoke on board.

The plane lost contact with Egyptian radar at 00:30 GMT (02:30 Cairo time), when it was 280km (174 miles) from the Egyptian coast. Mr Azmy said that there were no problems with the plane when it entered Egyptian airspace.

[UK2K]

They are easier to find on land considering they are often with the wreckage of the plan, but not in the ocean. They sink like a stone.

And they do not have GPS on them. They have an underwater locator beacon. To generate a GPS signal through thousands of feet of water would require a lot of power.

Why does the 'black box' not transmit its data continuously to a recording device at a stationary location of some sort?

We do it all the time with every other device in the world.

[FillJackson]

The video? Or the actual event? Because the actual event took less than 4.
Video is 90 seconds at the end an aviation expert says it happened over 7 minutes.

However happening over 4 minutes probably doesn't change things.

He it's puzzling because it's too slow for a bomb and too sudden for a fire.

[FillJackson]

Why does the 'black box' not transmit its data continuously to a recording device at a stationary location of some sort?

We do it all the time with every other device in the world.
A stationary location? Where would that be? Do you mean satellites? Because I think you would need satellites.

It wouldn't be continuous, but there is a company that sells a system that sends flight data every 4 minutes. $100,000 per plane. So unless governments require it, it won't be widely adopted.

Also streaming data from every flight would overwhelm the satellite system according to this
http://www.wired.com/2015/01/why-we-dont-need-real-time-flight-tracking/

[UK2K]

A stationary location? Where would that be? Do you mean satellites? Because I think you would need satellites.

It wouldn't be continuous, but there is a company that sells a system that sends flight data every 4 minutes. $100,000 per plane. So unless governments require it, it won't be widely adopted.

Also streaming data from every flight would overwhelm the satellite system according to this
http://www.wired.com/2015/01/why-we-dont-need-real-time-flight-tracking/

No, I mean a stationary location. A recording facility. Obviously you would need satellites to relay the information, but if I wanted to go back and replay a phone call from a month ago, I would bet almost anything Verizon would have a way to do it.

Keep the transmissions current on a 48 hour window. After that, compress them in a file somewhere for a pre-determined amount of time.

Or am I making this up? It doesn't seem that difficult, but what the **** do I know.

[bdreason]

A plane flight from Paris to Cairo where both pilots names are Mohammad? That would be one terrifying trip.

[FillJackson]

if I wanted to go back and replay a phone call from a month ago, I would bet almost anything Verizon would have a way to do it.
you think Verizon is recording and storing phone calls?

[rezznor]

Why does the 'black box' not transmit its data continuously to a recording device at a stationary location of some sort?

We do it all the time with every other device in the world.
$$$$$$

[Lebron23]

A plane flight from Paris to Cairo where both pilots names are Mohammad? That would be one terrifying trip.


This

I smell some conspiracy.

[bluechox2]

paris is forever tainted with thesw rugrats

[DonDadda59]

France has found the black boxes.

[INDENT]France confirms signals detected from EgyptAir MS804 black boxes

Signals have been detected from the black boxes of EgyptAir flight MS804, which crashed into the Mediterranean last month, the French aviation authority said on Wednesday.

The signals picked up by the French naval vessel Laplace were from the data recorders on the Airbus plane that came down on May 19, killing all 66 people on board, said the BEA.

It was likely to be another week before the boxes could be retrieved, said the agency, adding that investigators were awaiting the arrival of the John Lethbridge, a search ship, from Ireland and should be in the vicinity within about a week.

Egyptian crash investigators said earlier on Wednesday that search equipment on the Laplace had received signals from the seabed

[rezznor]

the black box has been recovered. it was damaged but the memory is intact. talk about cutting it close, the batteries were due to fail in about a week.

[rezznor]

2nd black box now found. we should know what actually happened soon



(CNN)Searchers have recovered the flight data recorder from EgyptAir Flight 804, Egypt's Civil Aviation Accident Investigation Committee said Friday, potentially a key step in helping unravel the mystery of what caused the plane to plunge into the Mediterranean Sea nearly a month ago.

The discovery of the recorder follows the discovery of wreckage from the flight and the recovery of the cockpit voice recorder this week, according to Egyptian officials.
Like the cockpit voice recorder, the flight data recorder was damaged, but searchers were able to recover the crucial memory unit from the device, the committee said.
The flight data recorder gathers 25 hours of technical data from the airplane's sensors, recording several thousand distinct pieces of information, including air speed, altitude, engine performance and wing positions.
Fast Facts: Commercial passenger airplane crashes
The cockpit voice recorder captures sounds from the flight deck, including flight crew conversation, alarms and background noise that can help investigators understand what the flight crew was doing.
Both were recovered by the crew of the John Lethbridge, a privately owned deep-sea survey and recovery vehicle contracted by Egypt's government to aid in the search.
A French naval vessel helping in the search picked up a signal from one of the devices two weeks ago, helping narrow the search area.
The devices are now on their way back to Alexandria, Egypt, for evaluation, the accident investigation committee said.
While important, the discoveries do not necessarily mean a breakthrough is at hand.
In several previous plane crahses -- such as the 1996 crash of TWA Flight 800 or the crash of American Airlines Flight 77 on September 11, 2001 -- authorities had hoped to find clues in the recorders only to discover that the data had been damaged or the recordings had stopped suddenly.
What caused the flight to suddenly disappear from radar as it cruised over the Mediterranean with 66 people aboard has been the subject of intense speculation.
Theories have ranged from mechanical failure to terrorism.
Four scenarios on EgyptAir Flight 804

[DonDadda59]

All signs thus far are pointing towards a electronic/mechanical issue that caused a fire and the French are investigating as such.


Doomed EgyptAir Data Recorder Shows 'Lavatory and Avionics Smoke'

Preliminary data from an Egyptian airliner that plunged into the Mediterranean last month, killing all 66 people on board, showed "messages of lavatory smoke and avionics smoke," Egyptian investigators said Wednesday.

The data, which were obtained from a recorder found this month by a naval survey vessel, "showed a consistency" with earlier messages from the Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System, the investigators said in a statement.

Those messages suggested the possibility of smoke or fire below the cockpit's floor.

After takeoff at Charles de Gaulle Airport in Paris, the statement said, the device continued recording until an "accident" at 37,000 feet.

EgyptAir Flight MS804, which was headed for Cairo, then vanished into the sea in the middle of the night.

The statement added that wreckage showed that the Airbus A320's front section "showed signs of high temperature damage and soot."

"Analysis will be carried out to try and identify the source and reasons" for those signs, the statement said.

Although some authorities initially suggested that terrorism may have behind the crash, current and former aviation officials increasingly believe the aircraft's technical systems may be to blame.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/egyptair-crash/doomed-egyptair-data-recorder-shows-lavatory-avionics-smoke-n601411

The French have launched a manslaughter investigation (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/28/egyptair-black-box-repaired-as-france-opens-manslaughter-investi/).

No terror organization ever claimed responsibility which makes sense now.

[FillJackson]

The French have launched a manslaughter investigation (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/28/egyptair-black-box-repaired-as-france-opens-manslaughter-investi/).
Article says this is routine in the cases of death.

[DonDadda59]

Article says this is routine in the cases of death.

Nope. The preliminary investigation was routine.


After the 19 May crash, Paris prosecutors opened a preliminary investigation, a routine step as French citizens were among the 66 dead.

The investigation opened on Monday is not. They made it clear it's a criminal investigation and not a terror investigation.

Manslaughter suggests they are looking into negligence of some sort.

[FillJackson]

Nope. The preliminary investigation was routine.



The investigation opened on Monday is not. They made it clear it's a criminal investigation and not a terror investigation.

Manslaughter suggests they are looking into negligence of some sort.

OK.

So it has escalated.

[DonDadda59]

All signs point to fire.


EgyptAir Voice Recorder Reveals Desperate Staff Tried to Extinguish a Fire on board MS804 Before it Crashed

An EgyptAir voice recorder has revealed that staff tried desperately to put a fire out on flight MS804 before it plunged into the Mediterranean.

Earlier analysis of the plane's flight data recorder showed there had been smoke in the toilet and avionics bay while recovered wreckage from the jet's front section showed signs of high temperature damage and soot.

The Airbus A320 plunged into the eastern Mediterranean Sea en route from Paris to Cairo in May, with the cause of the crash unknown.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3675457/EgyptAir-voice-recorded-reveals-desperate-staff-tried-extinguish-fire-board-MS804-crashed.html#ixzz4DYMqRZTH

[Awesomedoers]

Because it didn't happen in a western country. If this happened in London, we would never hear the end of it.