1995-96 Bulls went 87-13 (.870), best case scenario for GSW is 89-14 (.864)

[Poetry]

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[Poetry]

Thanks for the seizure

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[Poetry]

My question is this - Chicago played a "best of 5" in the first round IIRC, right?

So what is the best full season + playoff record of all time?
I think the 96 bulls lost twice in the finals, but I thought they did ok that year in the east.

Can anyone look this up for the lazy (me?)

In case you don't see my response in the other thread, they finished 87-13 (.870)

[Poetry]

Golden State is currently at 87-14 or .861. They can finish as high as .864 or as low as .848 if it goes 7.

[1987_Lakers]

Warriors faced Durant-Westbrook & LeBron-Irving-Love

Bulls went up against a Shaq & Penny team that was without Horace Grant & a Sonics team who's best player was no where near LeBron's level. The Warriors also played in a tougher conference throughout the season.

[Cleverness]

Warriors faced Durant-Westbrook & LeBron-Irving-Love

Bulls went up against a Shaq & Penny team that was without Horace Grant & a Sonics team who's best player was no where near LeBron's level. The Warriors also played in a tougher conference throughout the season.

Baby Shaq*:oldlol:

[sfballa13]

Baby Shaq*:oldlol:

STFU for real

Shaq was putting up 27 pts / 11 rebounds / 2 blocks per game

That year he put up 26/10 in the playoffs

Bulls faced:

Heat - Tim Hardaway + Alonzo Mourning

Knicks - Patrick Ewing + Oakley + Anthony Mason

Magic - Penny + Shaq

Sonics - Prime Payton and Kemp + Detleff

But yeh Bulls had a cake walk that year

Seriously 99% of the posters that talk about the 1995-1996 Bulls dont know wtf they are talking about

Jordan played against the top 25-30 players of ALL TIME

There is no debating that

[guy]

Warriors faced Durant-Westbrook & LeBron-Irving-Love

Bulls went up against a Shaq & Penny team that was without Horace Grant & a Sonics team who's best player was no where near LeBron's level. The Warriors also played in a tougher conference throughout the season.

Bulls' playoff opponents won 16 games more then the Warriors'opponents. I would say that difference more then makes up for whatever you're trying to say with the Grant injury.

Seattle was still a better team then the Cavs. Lebron being better then anyone on the sonics doesn't really mean anything. Plus, it's not like Lebron is this unstoppable, unbeatable force.

Warriors played in a tougher conference? It's pretty clear that no one takes the regular season as seriously as they did before. There's such a larger emphasis on rest, tanking, etc, it's highly doubtful that the Warriors had a tougher regular season.

[GINOBILI!]

Nobody has ever paid attention to 87-13. It was the 72. Now people are shifting the narrative because they want Bulls to maintain some pointless record. What the Warriors are doing is super impressive in these playoffs. They advance through most of 2 rounds without their MVP. Even when he returned, his full capacity was questionable. They then came back from down 3-1 against a team with 2 of the top 5 players in the league, a team that just beat a 67 win team Spurs (the best the Spurs ever had done). Now they are killing a stacked Cavs team.

[Dresta]

Warriors faced Durant-Westbrook & LeBron-Irving-Love

Bulls went up against a Shaq & Penny team that was without Horace Grant & a Sonics team who's best player was no where near LeBron's level. The Warriors also played in a tougher conference throughout the season.
1996 Shaq >>> Durant, Westbrook, and especially 2016 Lebron.

[GINOBILI!]

Baby Shaq*:oldlol:
Young Shaq was amazing. The only thing that team lacked was a great coach. The Magic crumbled because their coach couldn't keep a young immature team's heads in the game.

[Poetry]

Golden State is currently at 87-15 or .853.

They can finish as high as .856 or as low as .848 if it goes 7.

[Indian guy]

Nobody cares about the overall record.

When GS win the championship, the only relevant number will be 73. People will remember them having the GOAT regular season + winning it all to boot, and that'll put 'em very, very high on the list of GOAT teams in history. Most likely right at the top.

[Poetry]

Most likely right at the top.

The Bulls finished with a combined Elo rating of 1815. Golden State is currently at 1785.

[SamuraiSWISH]

It's obvious the 96 Bulls would destroy this team.

If Russtard Westbrook's 55 win Thunder took them to 7 games, and if this mentally weak / inconsistent Cavs team managed to steal a game.

They've already lost two more total games than that Bulls team. They're in elite company but, best team or even season of all time? No.

[NBAGOAT]

they're most likely not going get considered as the best of all time. Still get top 5 consideration however if they win considering last year's team got top 10 consideration. My only counterargument is some people think the 92 Bulls are better than 96 even though they struggled in the playoffs kind of. People can be selective with how much they care about how a team played in the playoffs.

[Da_Realist]

Is anyone understanding that the Warriors are getting blown out in their losses? 24, 28 and now 30 point blowouts? It's not just the number of games lost but the way they are losing.

[Lodi Dodi]

they're most likely not going get considered as the best of all time. Still get top 5 consideration however if they win considering last year's team got top 10 consideration. My only counterargument is some people think the 92 Bulls are better than 96 even though they struggled in the playoffs kind of. People can be selective with how much they care about how a team played in the playoffs.

I actually think the 92 bulls were better. Jordan at his peak overall (athleticism, defense, and game management) and Pip entering his prime. Even though they may have lost some games in the playoffs, they faced some stiff competition. Knicks had an all time great defense and the Blazers were 7 deep.

[Soundwave]

I almost think subconsciously the Bulls blew those two games in Seattle so they could go home and party in Chicago.

They were up 3-0, the series' outcome was never seriously in doubt.

[eliteballer]

Short 3 point line.

[Poetry]

Short 3 point line.

Explain how?

[eliteballer]

The short 3 point line made Pippen and Jordan very good 3 point shooters. Jordan especially.

Oh, and the Magic's 3rd best player, Ho Grant was injured going into the series and didnt play in most of it, like 3 games if I remember.

Bulls basically had a cakewalk into the finals.

[Poetry]

The short 3 point line made Pippen and Jordan very good 3 point shooters. Jordan especially.

So the Bulls were the only team that had the shortened 3 point line?

[NBAGOAT]

I actually think the 92 bulls were better. Jordan at his peak overall (athleticism, defense, and game management) and Pip entering his prime. Even though they may have lost some games in the playoffs, they faced some stiff competition. Knicks had an all time great defense and the Blazers were 7 deep.

Yep I've definitely heard good arguments for 92 being better. Grant is also a better 3rd option instead of Kukoc or Rodman but the 96 team is deeper. I would argue 96's competition was fine however, sonics were 7 deep and compared to Blazers and imo Magic were better than that year's knicks easily(I take them over 93 or 94 knicks too but it's definitely closer).

[eliteballer]

So the Bulls were the only team that had the shortened 3 point line?

It was a disproportionate advantage for the Bulls because it brought the line just into range for otherwise mediocre 3 point shooters who were doing the bulk of the scoring.

A shortened 3 point line is helping a guy like Jordan more than say, Reggie Miller.

It's not hard to think, try it.

[Bawkish]

i don't get the correlation of '96 Bulls & shortened 3pt line

the Bulls have good 3pt shooters but that's not their bread & butter. They have an all-around offense: they can post up, drive the lane, shoot 3s etc.

[ClipperRevival]

1992 vs 1996 is a very good argument. MJ, Pip and Grant at or near their peak in 1992 but the 1996 team was deeper with the additional length and athleticism of Harper and Kukoc. Not to mention, replacing a very good Grant with a great Rodman. If I were playing another GOAT team in a hypothetical scenario, I would probably go to battle with the 1996 team due to the depth even though this wouldn't be peak MJ.

[fourkicks44]

It was a disproportionate advantage for the Bulls because it brought the line just into range for otherwise mediocre 3 point shooters who were doing the bulk of the scoring.

A shortened 3 point line is helping a guy like Jordan more than say, Reggie Miller.

It's not hard to think, try it.

I think you make too much out of the three point line. Was not a major factor in the 96 Bulls' winningness, and sure as hell wasn't the reason they beat Seattle in the Finals.

[ClipperRevival]

People talk about GSW's athleticism/length but the 1996 Bulls also had that. Consider:

PG - Harper 6'6"
SG - Jordan 6'6"
SF - Pippen 6'8"
PF - Rodman 6'8"

Kukoc 6'10" long, agile coming off the bench. This Bulls team could suffocate opponents in stretches and shrink the court on the perimeter.

[sportjames23]

People talk about GSW's athleticism/length but the 1996 Bulls also had that. Consider:

PG - Harper 6'6"
SG - Jordan 6'6"
SF - Pippen 6'8"
PF - Rodman 6'8"

Kukoc 6'10" long, agile coming off the bench. This Bulls team could suffocate opponents in stretches and shrink the court on the perimeter.

Longley 7'2"
Wennington 7'0"
Caffey 6'8"


Bulls had plenty of big bodies to throw at teams.

[warriorfan]

wait till next season when curry is recovered from his mcl injury and jizzes all over the legacy of michael jordan once again :roll:

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[Bawkish]

wait till next season when curry is recovered from his mcl injury and jizzes all over the legacy of michael jordan once again :roll:

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he can't even win one Finals MVP :lol

[fourkicks44]

wait till next season when curry is recovered from his mcl injury and jizzes all over the legacy of michael jordan once again :roll:

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hes injured

it happens

get over it

[fourkicks44]

hes injured

it happens

get over it

They are up 2-1 in the NBA finals with home court advantage!

And you're giving up?

[Da_Realist]

I think you make too much out of the three point line. Was not a major factor in the 96 Bulls' winningness, and sure as hell wasn't the reason they beat Seattle in the Finals.

GSW would not be taking advantage of the shortened 3 pt line because of Chicago's length and quickness on defense. They'd be shooting from normal distance and out because that's where they'd get enough space to shoot.

And besides, Chicago would have no trouble exposing mismatches against GSW. They were an exceptionally smart team. They'd own the paint and the rebounds.

[Da_Realist]

People talk about GSW's athleticism/length but the 1996 Bulls also had that. Consider:

PG - Harper 6'6"
SG - Jordan 6'6"
SF - Pippen 6'8"
PF - Rodman 6'8"

Kukoc 6'10" long, agile coming off the bench. This Bulls team could suffocate opponents in stretches and shrink the court on the perimeter.

Not only that, but they actually utilized their size by being great with positioning and being a great rebounding, defensive and post up team. Teams can have size but negate it by standing out near half court waiting on a pass to shoot 3's.

[feyki]

People talk about GSW's athleticism/length but the 1996 Bulls also had that. Consider:

PG - Harper 6'6"
SG - Jordan 6'6"
SF - Pippen 6'8"
PF - Rodman 6'8"

Kukoc 6'10" long, agile coming off the bench. This Bulls team could suffocate opponents in stretches and shrink the court on the perimeter.

Even ..

Harper-Jordan-Pippen-Kukoc-Rodman

[Overdrive]

They are up 2-1 in the NBA finals with home court advantage!

And you're giving up?

He's a Curry stan, doesn't give a shit about GS.

[Just2McFly]

Warriors faced Durant-Westbrook & LeBron-Irving-Love

Bulls went up against a Shaq & Penny team that was without Horace Grant & a Sonics team who's best player was no where near LeBron's level. The Warriors also played in a tougher conference throughout the season.


Ummm... 96 GP would have Curry crying b .... his one on one defense is so godly:bowdown:

[Knoe Itawl]

:oldlol: eliteballer still an idiot, I see.

[Poetry]

Updated.

Bulls
72-10 Regular Season
15-3 Playoffs
87-13 Overall (.870)

Warriors
73-9 Regular Season
15-7 Playoffs
88-16 Overall (.846)

[DonDadda59]

Updated.

Bulls
72-10 Regular Season
15-3 Playoffs
87-13 Overall (.870)

Warriors
73-9 Regular Season
15-7 Playoffs
88-16 Overall (.846)

Forget the '96 Bulls, I think the '14 Spurs would shit all over this Warriors squad.

[fourkicks44]

Tonight's game showed the weaknesses in the Warriors game style of focusing on 3pt shooting.

Lower fg%, unpredictability on rebounding situations and most importantly when the shots start to miss they can find themselves in a hole that they can't get themselves out of. It is a high risk/high reward game plan and we can now see the problems associated with it.

This whole playoffs has proven that although they have had a great year and will still win the championship, it is a stretch to say they are as good as the 96 Bulls.

[Micku]

Forget the '96 Bulls, I think the '14 Spurs would shit all over this Warriors squad.

I'm alone in this I think, but I think the Spurs this year was better than the Spurs 14. But the Spurs 14 peak at the right time tho. Spurs 16 was surprised by the Thunder. They had a couple of games that could've gone either way.

[GrapeApe]

This will still be one of the greatest seasons ever and they'll still go down as a historically great team, but these playoffs may have taken a bit of luster off their season. I know Curry was injured for the first 2 rounds, but even when he's played they've struggled a bit more than most people expected.

[Poetry]

Updated.

Bulls
72-10 Regular Season
15-3 Playoffs
87-13 Overall (.870)

Warriors
73-9 Regular Season
15-8 Playoffs
88-17 Overall (.838)

[OldSchoolBBall]

Forget the records - the idea that this GS team is anywhere near as good as those Bulls were is a joke. They have been pushed to 7 games by two deeply flawed teams. The Bulls had no such flaws. What you have been seeing is their soft, jumpshooting style being exposed in the intensity and physicality of the playoffs.

They are not a "legitimate" 73 win team. In a normal era, in a normal league (league was weak this year), they win 63-67 games. Still great, yes, but one of many.

[Da_Realist]

Forget the records - the idea that this GS team is anywhere near as good as those Bulls were is a joke. They have been pushed to 7 games by two deeply flawed teams. The Bulls had no such flaws. What you have been seeing is their soft, jumpshooting style being exposed in the intensity and physicality of the playoffs.

They are not a "legitimate" 73 win team. In a normal era, in a normal league (league was weak this year), they win 63-67 games. Still great, yes, but one of many.

We've been saying it all year. Now everyone sees it.

[sportjames23]

Updated.

Bulls
72-10 Regular Season
15-3 Playoffs
87-13 Overall (.870)

Warriors
73-9 Regular Season
15-8 Playoffs
88-17 Overall (.838)


WE

STAY

WINNING

:bowdown:

[sportjames23]

Forget the records - the idea that this GS team is anywhere near as good as those Bulls were is a joke. They have been pushed to 7 games by two deeply flawed teams. The Bulls had no such flaws. What you have been seeing is their soft, jumpshooting style being exposed in the intensity and physicality of the playoffs.

They are not a "legitimate" 73 win team. In a normal era, in a normal league (league was weak this year), they win 63-67 games. Still great, yes, but one of many.



We've been saying it all year. Now everyone sees it.


You can't tell these kids a damn thing today. They gon learn the hard way doe.

[plowking]

This combined record only became a thing after the Warriors broke the record.

The number to chase was always 72, and it was broken. If they win game 7, they're the best.

The Bulls never had to play anyone near as good as LeBron or Durant/Westbrook on their way to the title.

[Poetry]

In a normal era, in a normal league (league was weak this year), they win 63-67 games.

I posted this in a different thread.


Golden State played 7 overtime games during the regular season.

They went 6-1 in OT.

They could have finished as high as 74-8. They also could have finished as low as 67-15.

Maybe this is just a very lucky 67 win team.

[Da_Realist]

Regular season: GSW lost 9 of 82 games. Lost 2 of 41 home games. No back to back losses.

Playoffs: GSW lost 8 of 23 games. Lost 2 of 13 home games. Lost back-to-back games twice.

[Micku]

This combined record only became a thing after the Warriors broke the record.

The number to chase was always 72, and it was broken. If they win game 7, they're the best.

The Bulls never had to play anyone near as good as LeBron or Durant/Westbrook on their way to the title.

C'mon. Shaq and Penny! The Magic was also considered to be one of the most talented teams in the league. They went to the finals the year prior.

You can say that Bulls never faced quality teams like the Warriors have faced. But in terms of talent? The Bulls faced some of the great centers in the 90s in 96 in a row. Mourning, Ewing, and Shaq. Overall they faced two 60+win teams.

With the Warriors they faced a great Thunder team who took out a great Spurs team. And they are facing the Cavs, and LBJ is putting up monster numbers atm.

With that said tho, the Warriors haven't dominated like I thought they would in the playoffs. It's pretty shocking to me after their dominance they had in the regular season. While the team itself is still great, these playoffs shows how limited to me Curry is a bit. I notice that with the series against Westbrook and Durant. Curry is still goat at shooting, but when the shot isn't falling, he is pretty limited it seems. He still draws attention from the offense tho. But he doesn't control the pace and the offense as good as other great PGs. He's still amazing.

[SamuraiSWISH]

This combined record only became a thing after the Warriors broke the record.

The number to chase was always 72, and it was broken. If they win game 7, they're the best.

The Bulls never had to play anyone near as good as LeBron or Durant/Westbrook on their way to the title.
A team's quality isn't just about their 2 best players. That would be a completely moronic view of things. Or in your case, heavy bias. And addressing the quality of player, '96 Shaq is every bit as great / dominant or more so than current LeBron.

Ranking the superstars faced in the post season between both teams:

Shaq / LeBron
KD
Penny / Westbrook
Ewing
GP / Harden / Kyrie
Kemp

Teams:

1) 64 - 18 Sonics
2) 60 - 22 Magic
3) 57 - 25 Cavaliers
4) 55 - 27 Thunder
5) 47 - 35 Knicks
6) 44 - 38 Rockets

[Poetry]

Bulls
72-10 Regular Season
15-3 Playoffs
87-13 Overall (.870)
NBA Champions

Warriors
73-9 Regular Season
15-9 Playoffs
88-18 Overall (.830)

[andgar923]

As per usual, MJ fans are correct