Goodbye, empty nest: Millennials staying longer with parents

[UK2K]

Good news 95% of ISH posters... you're not alone!


For the first time on record, living with parents is now the most common arrangement for people ages 18 to 34. That's according to an analysis of census data by the Pew Research Center.

Nearly one-third of millennials live with their parents. That's slightly more than the proportion who live with a spouse or partner. The remaining young adults are living alone or in college dorms or other circumstances.

The trend has been particularly evident among Americans who lack a college degree.

The pattern may be a contributing factor in the sluggish growth of the U.S. economy, which depends heavily on consumer spending. With more young people living with their parents rather than on their own, fewer people need to buy appliances, furniture or cable subscriptions.

The recovery from the recession has also been hobbled by historically low levels of home construction and home ownership.

As recently as 2000, nearly 43 percent of young adults ages 18 to 34 were married or living with a partner. By 2014, that proportion was just 31.6 percent.

http://www.wkyt.com/content/news/Goodbye-empty-nest-Millennials-staying-longer-with-parents-380702751.html

[nathanjizzle]

The pattern may be a contributing factor in the sluggish growth of the U.S. economy, which depends heavily on consumer spending. With more young people living with their parents rather than on their own, fewer people need to buy appliances, furniture or cable subscriptions

who writes this shit? :roll:

[JohnnySic]

Part of the increase is due to immigrant families, with whom its culturally expected to stay at home until married.

[UK2K]

who writes this shit? :roll:

Does it not make sense?

I just bought a house, and what did I need to purchase?

A few appliances, a shitload of furniture, and a new cable subscription.

[nathanjizzle]

Does it not make sense?

I just bought a house, and what did I need to purchase?

A few appliances, a shitload of furniture, and a new cable subscription.

youre stupid.

appliances, furniture, and cable subscriptions do not drive the economy. wouldnt it make alot more sense that millennials are staying with their parents because they inherited a bad economy coming into adult hood? no no no no, thats too much logic for a trumptard.

heres some more logic that you cant comprehend. wouldnt it make sense that if you are a young adult that didnt have to pay a mortgage or rent, you would have more disposable income to spend? thus washing your idea that youngins not buying appliances furniture and cable subscriptions is what hurts the economy. sorry if i broke your brain.

[fiddy]

youre stupid.
:roll:

[bigkingsfan]

National average wage

2004 35,648.55
2014 46,481.52

[Jameerthefear]

not surprising since cost of living is rising faster than wages

[Dresta]

Young are getting shafted so bad, and yet they support the people and policies that shafted them.

[Lebowsky]

youre stupid.

appliances, furniture, and cable subscriptions do not drive the economy. wouldnt it make alot more sense that millennials are staying with their parents because they inherited a bad economy coming into adult hood? no no no no, thats too much logic for a trumptard.

heres some more logic that you cant comprehend. wouldnt it make sense that if you are a young adult that didnt have to pay a mortgage or rent, you would have more disposable income to spend? thus washing your idea that youngins not buying appliances furniture and cable subscriptions is what hurts the economy. sorry if i broke your brain.
Congratulations, I think you just won the award for most retarded post of the day.

[UK2K]

youre stupid.

appliances, furniture, and cable subscriptions do not drive the economy. wouldnt it make alot more sense that millennials are staying with their parents because they inherited a bad economy coming into adult hood? no no no no, thats too much logic for a trumptard.

The article never said they didn't inherit a bad economy. What the **** are you talking about? You clearly didn't read (or don't understand) so I'll show you why you look stupid:


The pattern may be a contributing factor in the sluggish growth of the U.S. economy, which depends heavily on consumer spending. With more young people living with their parents rather than on their own, fewer people need to buy appliances, furniture or cable subscriptions.

Where does it say that Millennials living at home is the reason for the bad economy? You're an idiot. THE PATTERN MAY BE A CONTRIBUTING FACTOR TO THE SLUGGISH ECONOMY. And it is. What are you talking about?


heres some more logic that you cant comprehend. wouldnt it make sense that if you are a young adult that didnt have to pay a mortgage or rent, you would have more disposable income to spend? thus washing your idea that youngins not buying appliances furniture and cable subscriptions is what hurts the economy. sorry if i broke your brain.

In theory. But in actuality, they spend their money on dumb shit like $300 concert tickets, cars they can't afford, and student loan debt they were dumb to agree to receive.

You literally took one sentence of the whole article, worded it to say something different than what it was saying, and then tried to yell at me. :lol

Did this hit close to home? I told you, dude, it's okay if you still live at home at 34, everyone does now apparently.

[Patrick Chewing]

Been on my own since 2002



I'm an Alpha male

[ALBballer]

Makes sense. their parents didn't graduate with student debt, their parents had more opportunities out of school, their parents could afford to buy a home and COL in general has gone up.

Luckily I bought a place 2012 and have seen the value of my place almost double, and I graduated debt free out of school.

[ALBballer]

In theory. But in actuality, they spend their money on dumb shit like $300 concert tickets, cars they can't afford, and student loan debt they were dumb to agree to receive.
.

Oh please. Prior generations spent money on stupid shit as well and the prior generations are responsible for most of the debt today. Millennial didn't rack up close to 20 trillion in debt. millenials didn't put us in two major wars that have cost us trillions. Prior generations went to school for a quarter of the price millenials have to pay and the baby boomers went to school for pennies and could work a part time job and pay off their tuition. Millenials aren't at fault of the housing bubble that is forming once again.

[Dresta]

It's funny how the propagandists manage to spin an economic "recovery" and "success" out of the mass dependence and indebtedness of young people, most of whom who can't afford to support themselves; now the responsible women won't be having children until they are old enough to have only 1, or perhaps even to be barren; thus we have a proliferation of irresponsible and unintelligent genetics, and a shortage of the opposite. All tends towards the increasing necessity of total state control, as people increasingly seek freedom from the consequences of freedom.

[UK2K]

Oh please. Prior generations spent money on stupid shit as well and the prior generations are responsible for most of the debt today. Millennial didn't rack up close to 20 trillion in debt. millenials didn't put us in two major wars that have cost us trillions. Prior generations went to school for a quarter of the price millenials have to pay and the baby boomers went to school for pennies and could work a part time job and pay off their tuition. Millenials aren't at fault of the housing bubble that is forming once again.

I guess I'm just that awesome I guess? :confusedshrug:

Check this out:


Millennial didn't rack up close to 20 trillion in debt
Has nothing to do with personal wealth.

millenials didn't put us in two major wars that have cost us trillions
See above.

Prior generations went to school for a quarter of the price millenials have to pay and the baby boomers went to school for pennies and could work a part time job and pay off their tuition.
Nobody forced you to take out a student loan. In the job world, I have the equivalent of a high school degree, yet, here I am, remodeling my newly purchased home. Student loans are their choice. Don't choose it.

Millenials aren't at fault of the housing bubble that is forming once again.
Great time to buy a house. Should be taking advantage.

What other excuses do we have?

[JohnnySic]

Oh please. Prior generations spent money on stupid shit as well and the prior generations are responsible for most of the debt today. Millennial didn't rack up close to 20 trillion in debt. millenials didn't put us in two major wars that have cost us trillions. Prior generations went to school for a quarter of the price millenials have to pay and the baby boomers went to school for pennies and could work a part time job and pay off their tuition. Millenials aren't at fault of the housing bubble that is forming once again.
Is there a housing bubble forming again? if so, good. I hope my place gains equity.

[highwhey]

Been on my own since 2002



I'm an Alpha male
You're like 60 years old.

[hateraid]

Well it's better than the millenials who feel entitled to their parents help. I k ow a young couple who wanted their independence. Moved to Miami but have their parents pay for everything.

[JohnnySic]

Well it's better than the millenials who feel entitled to their parents help. I k ow a young couple who wanted their independence. Moved to Miami but have their parents pay for everything.
Yup, lots of young people are like that. Proud to live "on their own" even though their parents help with the rent and expenses. LOL.

[UK2K]

Yup, lots of young people are like that. Proud to live "on their own" even though their parents help with the rent and expenses. LOL.

At my age (27), I know a lot of people whose parents pay for their car and/or cell phone.

I'd love to shed the extra ~$500 a month in expenses, but my family is poor. :oldlol:

All good, the truck will be paid off soon.

[ALBballer]

I guess I'm just that awesome I guess? :confusedshrug:

Check this out:

Has nothing to do with personal wealth.

See above.

Nobody forced you to take out a student loan. In the job world, I have the equivalent of a high school degree, yet, here I am, remodeling my newly purchased home. Student loans are their choice. Don't choose it.

Great time to buy a house. Should be taking advantage.

What other excuses do we have?

Im not saying they are blameless but compared to the prior generations it is tougher.

I have a paid off home, no student debt and drive a nice car. Doesn't mean it's the norm.

[ALBballer]

Is there a housing bubble forming again? if so, good. I hope my place gains equity.

Depends on the market obviously but my place has gone up 50-80% since 2012. Some markets are higher than 2008.

[UK2K]

Im not saying they are blameless but compared to the prior generations it is tougher.

I have a paid off home, no student debt and drive a nice car. Doesn't mean it's the norm.

What did you do that was so special then?

It's not the norm, we agree on that. Why it's not the norm is where we disagree.

[ALBballer]

What did you do that was so special then?

It's not the norm, we agree on that. Why it's not the norm is where we disagree.

Well I manage my finances better than probably 90% of my peers, hence, why I am not the norm and I got a bit luck by buying at the right time.

My main point is that millennials kinda have a shitty deal compared to their parents. Wages have have not kept up with costs other than costs that are now cheaper due to technological advances (ie electronics, cars, etc.) I

Currently I'm looking to move and prices have skyrocketed. I'm looking at homes that were selling for $150-200k 15 years ago and are selling for $600k now. If I bought in this area in 2012 I could of gotten the same homes for 50-80% of their values. Granted I can afford to get the conventional 30 year mortgage (personally I prefer 15) and have a low payment but these prices are ridiculous. I don't blame some people for living at home because the government has caused another bubble with these low interest rates.

Also these ****ing shows glorifying flipping homes are ruining the market. I can barely find any fixer uppers because of these ****ers.

[Jameerthefear]

Well I manage my finances better than probably 90% of my peers, hence, why I am not the norm and I got a bit luck by buying at the right time.

My main point is that millennials kinda have a shitty deal compared to their parents. Wages have have not kept up with costs other than costs that are now cheaper due to technological advances (ie electronics, cars, etc.) I

Currently I'm looking to move and prices have skyrocketed. I'm looking at homes that were selling for $150-200k 15 years ago and are selling for $600k now. If I bought in this area in 2012 I could of gotten the same homes for 50-80% of their values. Granted I can afford to get the conventional 30 year mortgage (personally I prefer 15) and have a low payment but these prices are ridiculous. I don't blame some people for living at home because the government has caused another bubble with these low interest rates.

Also these ****ing shows glorifying flipping homes are ruining the market. I can barely find any fixer uppers because of these ****ers.
damn where do u live? $500,000 gets you 4,000-5,000 sq. ft all new appliances where I live

[ALBballer]

damn where do u live? $500,000 gets you 4,000-5,000 sq. ft all new appliances where I live

Real estate is local and I think you're in Florida....Florida is pretty cheap outside Miami I believe.

$500,000 isn't even that bad in most areas on the East and West Coast. But the point is these prices have skyrocketed.

[KyrieTheFuture]

Denver area has gotten ****ing ridiculous for home prices

[Riddler]

This thread delivers...

Good stuff in here :)

[UK2K]

Well I manage my finances better than probably 90% of my peers, hence, why I am not the norm and I got a bit luck by buying at the right time.

My main point is that millennials kinda have a shitty deal compared to their parents. Wages have have not kept up with costs other than costs that are now cheaper due to technological advances (ie electronics, cars, etc.) I

Currently I'm looking to move and prices have skyrocketed. I'm looking at homes that were selling for $150-200k 15 years ago and are selling for $600k now. If I bought in this area in 2012 I could of gotten the same homes for 50-80% of their values. Granted I can afford to get the conventional 30 year mortgage (personally I prefer 15) and have a low payment but these prices are ridiculous. I don't blame some people for living at home because the government has caused another bubble with these low interest rates.

Also these ****ing shows glorifying flipping homes are ruining the market. I can barely find any fixer uppers because of these ****ers.
You said it, right there in the first sentence.

All the shit you said on page 1 doesn't matter, at all, if you... manage your finances.

The end.

[bigkingsfan]

Nobody forced you to take out a student loan. In the job world, I have the equivalent of a high school degree, yet, here I am, remodeling my newly purchased home. Student loans are their choice. Don't choose it.

How else would someone like my sister afford dental school at $68k yearly tuition?

[Hawker]

You said it, right there in the first sentence.

All the shit you said on page 1 doesn't matter, at all, if you... manage your finances.

The end.

Some of us were raised well to manage finances so you have to consider that...product of environment. My buddy is a manager of a law firm and is a biz dev for his own company and twice now I've had to pay his dog sitter ($105 and $200 each) because he didn't have the funds. But if you saw his fb, you'd be surprised.

He's paid me back each time but some just can't live under their means to try and keep an "image" through social media. I guess this slightly disproves me original statement of being a product of your environment but I've run into numerous other examples.

I'm currently unemployed and can stay this way for at least 1.5 years without having to worry due to my saving habits. If you can't enjoy being unemployed, why work?

[Hawker]

I really don't understand the obsession with buying homes. Maybe I'm just a bit more minimalist than others but rent/buy it's still a roof over your head. Buy a house and fill it with BS furniture and trinkets doesn't really appeal to me at all. A lot more maintenance and I don't find joy in having a nice things but having little things.

To take advantage of those people and buy a house and rent it to them, sure I can see it.

[ALBballer]

You said it, right there in the first sentence.

All the shit you said on page 1 doesn't matter, at all, if you... manage your finances.

The end.

Uk2k I like you but your stubborn AF at times. I agree that the consumption society we live in is a problem but the parents of millenials had a head start compared to their children. That is my main point and it explains partially why many of them live With their parents. Their parents didn't go into debt to go to school because tuition could be paid with a part time job in the summer. Their parents had better job prospects coming out of school. Their parents could afford to buy a home in their 20s.

If I graduated school with debt, if I didn't own a car until the age of 24 and bought a new car via credit at an earlier age, if I earned less coming out of school or had to work part time low jobs ...it wouldn't matter how much I managed my finances I probably wouldn't be able to own my place outright. Sure I could of gotten a FHA loan and put down 4 percent or whatever it is but I don't like the idea of going into debt.

[ALBballer]

I really don't understand the obsession with buying homes. Maybe I'm just a bit more minimalist than others but rent/buy it's still a roof over your head. Buy a house and fill it with BS furniture and trinkets doesn't really appeal to me at all. A lot more maintenance and I don't find joy in having a nice things but having little things.

To take advantage of those people and buy a house and rent it to them, sure I can see it.

You need a place to live and you can either rent or buy. What's there not to get? Sure you can rent and have less responsibility but there are downsides as wel. Rents prices fluctuate, your landlord can kick you out at any time, you have less control on what you can Do with the place, you don't build equity and can miss out on tax savings.

It's a personal preference in the end. I'm not necessarily saying that buying is always better but I think in the long term it is. Now if you are traveling the world in your 20s and moving around then yeah buying makes no sense.

[knickballer]

I know it doesn't fit OP's agenda but millennials are the generation that got shafted the worst. The baby boomers, the generation that OP probably *********es too, is probably the most selfish generation to have walked this earth. They're the ones who made the economy crash through greed, they're the ones who created the american empire, they're the ones who have created numerous financial bubbles for all of them to burst, they're the ones that have took the power away from the workers by exporting every damn job to cut costs at every corner. Most overrated generation. No wonder millennials have resorted to be social justice warriors.

The economy really hasn't recovered from the recent economic crash. Yes, on paper it looks very strong but alot of the "good" jobs have been lost and won't come back. The employment stats are skewed so politicians can gloat on how they created X amount of jobs. Employment has gained in retail and in finance but has been down/stagnated in every other sector. Many of the jobs created were part time too. Even if someone was to get a somewhat useful degree it's still very difficult to obtain an entry level job out of college(I know OP is gonna say that it's how you sell yourself!). The competition for many of these entry level jobs is staggering where people are competing with people around the world. That and many places are simply hiring less as more and more jobs are being automated.

Rent in many metro areas and the outskirts have been sky rocketing and is simply unaffordable for a young person who's not making shit. Of course they're still gonna live with their parents.. I know OP is gonna say live some place cheaper but there aren't many opportunities in random locations in middle america or w/e.


But that being said I think the college debt that students are taking out is dumb founding but then again those baby boomers are still the ones that realized they can make a fortune by ruining naive teenagers lives.

[knickballer]

Some of us were raised well to manage finances so you have to consider that...product of environment. My buddy is a manager of a law firm and is a biz dev for his own company and twice now I've had to pay his dog sitter ($105 and $200 each) because he didn't have the funds. But if you saw his fb, you'd be surprised.

He's paid me back each time but some just can't live under their means to try and keep an "image" through social media. I guess this slightly disproves me original statement of being a product of your environment but I've run into numerous other examples.

I'm currently unemployed and can stay this way for at least 1.5 years without having to worry due to my saving habits. If you can't enjoy being unemployed, why work?

I like your thinking :applause:

[Riddler]

I know it doesn't fit OP's agenda but millennials are the generation that got shafted the worst. The baby boomers are probably the most selfish generation to have walked this earth.


I may have to agree here...

[Akrazotile]

Some of us were raised well to manage finances so you have to consider that...product of environment. My buddy is a manager of a law firm and is a biz dev for his own company and twice now I've had to pay his dog sitter ($105 and $200 each) because he didn't have the funds. But if you saw his fb, you'd be surprised.

He's paid me back each time but some just can't live under their means to try and keep an "image" through social media. I guess this slightly disproves me original statement of being a product of your environment but I've run into numerous other examples.

I'm currently unemployed and can stay this way for at least 1.5 years without having to worry due to my saving habits. If you can't enjoy being unemployed, why work?



Where you livin these days, g?

[Hawker]

Where you livin these days, g?

Still in Australia

[code green]

Turning 29 tomorrow, moved back home a couple of years ago to go back to school and help out after my dad had bypass surgery. I'm making an above average salary right now, but the biggest PITA right now is saving enough for the 20% down payment necessary for me to get a conventional mortgage. On a $205k house, that's $42k down, unless I want to get ****ed with extra insurance on an FHA. Plus extra for furniture, closing costs, etc. I'm so goddamn close I can taste it, but it might have to be after the summer.

PS. First generation born American in my family, so it's not totally weird.

[Brujesino]

Most of my friends still live at home.

Two of them are married with multiple kids and living at home with the wife and kids.

[longtime lurker]

I know it doesn't fit OP's agenda but millennials are the generation that got shafted the worst. The baby boomers, the generation that OP probably *********es too, is probably the most selfish generation to have walked this earth. They're the ones who made the economy crash through greed, they're the ones who created the american empire, they're the ones who have created numerous financial bubbles for all of them to burst, they're the ones that have took the power away from the workers by exporting every damn job to cut costs at every corner. Most overrated generation. No wonder millennials have resorted to be social justice warriors.

The economy really hasn't recovered from the recent economic crash. Yes, on paper it looks very strong but alot of the "good" jobs have been lost and won't come back. The employment stats are skewed so politicians can gloat on how they created X amount of jobs. Employment has gained in retail and in finance but has been down/stagnated in every other sector. Many of the jobs created were part time too. Even if someone was to get a somewhat useful degree it's still very difficult to obtain an entry level job out of college(I know OP is gonna say that it's how you sell yourself!). The competition for many of these entry level jobs is staggering where people are competing with people around the world. That and many places are simply hiring less as more and more jobs are being automated.

Rent in many metro areas and the outskirts have been sky rocketing and is simply unaffordable for a young person who's not making shit. Of course they're still gonna live with their parents.. I know OP is gonna say live some place cheaper but there aren't many opportunities in random locations in middle america or w/e.


But that being said I think the college debt that students are taking out is dumb founding but then again those baby boomers are still the ones that realized they can make a fortune by ruining naive teenagers lives.

This.

[~primetime~]

I really don't understand the obsession with buying homes. Maybe I'm just a bit more minimalist than others but rent/buy it's still a roof over your head. Buy a house and fill it with BS furniture and trinkets doesn't really appeal to me at all. A lot more maintenance and I don't find joy in having a nice things but having little things.

To take advantage of those people and buy a house and rent it to them, sure I can see it.
Part of it is about money, a house is the biggest investment most people make. My home has already gone up around $80k since I purchased it just 4 years ago.

The other part is about having a wife/kids. If that ever happens to you, you probably won't want to be in an apartment. You're going to want sq ft.

[nathanjizzle]

uk2k talks big game when he was busy collecting government checks during 2008-2012. :lol

[UK2K]

How else would someone like my sister afford dental school at $68k yearly tuition?

Grants? Scholarships?

Student loans for dental school is fine. It's not fine for a degree in Underwater Basket Weaving.

Let's try and use some common sense.

[UK2K]

Some of us were raised well to manage finances so you have to consider that...product of environment. My buddy is a manager of a law firm and is a biz dev for his own company and twice now I've had to pay his dog sitter ($105 and $200 each) because he didn't have the funds. But if you saw his fb, you'd be surprised.

He's paid me back each time but some just can't live under their means to try and keep an "image" through social media. I guess this slightly disproves me original statement of being a product of your environment but I've run into numerous other examples.

I'm currently unemployed and can stay this way for at least 1.5 years without having to worry due to my saving habits. If you can't enjoy being unemployed, why work?

My brother is the same way.

He makes as much as I do, but he's $120k in debt whereas, minus my mortgage (which I currently pay it plus an extra $200 per month), I owe nothing. Hes a year older, modeled, sits courtside at Cavs games, goes to all the VIP parties, travels everywhere... and he won't be able to pay off his debt in 10 years because he has to maintain his image.

To me, that's dumb. But, its his choice, and I won't defend him for a second. He's living the good life now, that's for sure, but you won't see me supporting his demands for student loan forgiveness because, it was his choice.

Product of your environment? Or the willingness to sacrifice a little now to benefit a whole lot later?

[UK2K]

Uk2k I like you but your stubborn AF at times. I agree that the consumption society we live in is a problem but the parents of millenials had a head start compared to their children. That is my main point and it explains partially why many of them live With their parents. Their parents didn't go into debt to go to school because tuition could be paid with a part time job in the summer. Their parents had better job prospects coming out of school. Their parents could afford to buy a home in their 20s.

If I graduated school with debt, if I didn't own a car until the age of 24 and bought a new car via credit at an earlier age, if I earned less coming out of school or had to work part time low jobs ...it wouldn't matter how much I managed my finances I probably wouldn't be able to own my place outright. Sure I could of gotten a FHA loan and put down 4 percent or whatever it is but I don't like the idea of going into debt.

And I absolutely agree with that.

But where we aren't agreeing is you see that as an... I guess, excuse... where I see it as 'guess I'll need to cut back on my expenses'.

Hey, you know, being 27, I grew up in this same shitty economy like everyone else my age. That doesn't mean I have to make the same choices as other people my age. Think of it like the person who starts their 401k at 22, and the person who starts their 401k at 30. Same environment, same pay, same everything. The person who started theirs 8 years earlier will retired with 20% more at the end of the road.... so the question is 'why didn't the other person start earlier?'

There are companies right now that are BEGGING people to work. $16-$18 hour warehouse jobs. Right now. My girlfriend fills those spots for a living. Companies are literally paying out the ass to find someone QUALIFIED and WILLING to work. But those people are few and far between. It's her job, and even she can't find enough people willing to work that can pass a drug test.

So this whole 'there are no jobs' line is bullshit. Yeah, maybe in bum**** Kentucky there may be no jobs, but in any major city, you can find a job if you want one. It's really not that hard if you are normal. But, many people aren't normal.

55% of employers in Indiana say the hardest part about finding an employee is the fact that they won't show up on time. I kid you not. So guess what, if you can show up on time, you're a hot commodity.

Here you go:


The survey report stated,
Work ethic was the most lacking at 55%. Communication, problem solving and attendance/punctuality each registered 42-43%. Each of these soft skills was indicated as far more challenging to find than academic skills, such as reading, writing and math. Only 10% of the respondents said they had no challenges finding the skills they needed.
Can we stop pretending like people are dying to find jobs? They could work...

But people don't. You should hear the stories my girlfriend tells me. Big ol fat women showing up in leopard spotted leggings. No call/No shows in the first ****ing week. Its absurd.

People don't want to work. They just don't. Some do, but many don't care. You may not see it, but it's there. Drive down any street in any city and there's help wanted signs all over. Nobody wants to work.

[Draz]

Imma graduate college around 40 at this rate

[bigkingsfan]

Grants? Scholarships?

Yea those are realistic scenario for most students. :oldlol:

[JohnnySic]

And I absolutely agree with that.

But where we aren't agreeing is you see that as an... I guess, excuse... where I see it as 'guess I'll need to cut back on my expenses'.

Hey, you know, being 27, I grew up in this same shitty economy like everyone else my age. That doesn't mean I have to make the same choices as other people my age. Think of it like the person who starts their 401k at 22, and the person who starts their 401k at 30. Same environment, same pay, same everything. The person who started theirs 8 years earlier will retired with 20% more at the end of the road.... so the question is 'why didn't the other person start earlier?'

There are companies right now that are BEGGING people to work. $16-$18 hour warehouse jobs. Right now. My girlfriend fills those spots for a living. Companies are literally paying out the ass to find someone QUALIFIED and WILLING to work. But those people are few and far between. It's her job, and even she can't find enough people willing to work that can pass a drug test.

So this whole 'there are no jobs' line is bullshit. Yeah, maybe in bum**** Kentucky there may be no jobs, but in any major city, you can find a job if you want one. It's really not that hard if you are normal. But, many people aren't normal.

55% of employers in Indiana say the hardest part about finding an employee is the fact that they won't show up on time. I kid you not. So guess what, if you can show up on time, you're a hot commodity.

Here you go:


Can we stop pretending like people are dying to find jobs? They could work...

But people don't. You should hear the stories my girlfriend tells me. Big ol fat women showing up in leopard spotted leggings. No call/No shows in the first ****ing week. Its absurd.

People don't want to work. They just don't. Some do, but many don't care. You may not see it, but it's there. Drive down any street in any city and there's help wanted signs all over. Nobody wants to work.
Shiit jobs, maybe.

Quality jobs can be hard to get. I was unemployed for a bit, and every job I tried for would get 50-200 resumes. I had to settle for something less than I was aiming for for a while because the job market is so competitive.

[UK2K]

Yea those are realistic scenario for most students. :oldlol:
So most students who go to dental school can't get a grant or scholarship...

That's what you're telling me?

http://www.asdanet.org/paying-for-dental-school/scholarships.aspx

Every minority under the sun has a scholarship. Or, join the military. Or don't be a dentist.

You act like she had no choice but to go to dental school. You also ignored the part where I said dental school is okay to take out loans for. Professional degrees are not liberal arts degrees.

[UK2K]

Shiit jobs, maybe.

Quality jobs can be hard to get. I was unemployed for a bit, and every job I tried for would get 50-200 resumes. I had to settle for something less than I was aiming for for a while because the job market is so competitive.
Move to Indy.

I can get you your pick of numerous jobs that start at $16 all the way up to $24. Now, can you get a job that starts out at $30? Probably not without a degree. But companies are literally paying other companies to find qualified, drug free, responsible candidates for jobs that pay well above what welfare pays.

If you want to work.

Burping and farting and screaming at clients in the office is not a sign you want to work. And yes, my girlfriend got an older lady (in her 40s or so) a job, and she did that, within the first three days. Then she was fired.

I'll send you the email. I thought she was kidding until I read the email myself.

[bigkingsfan]

So most students who go to dental school can't get a grant or scholarship...

That's what you're telling me?

http://www.asdanet.org/paying-for-dental-school/scholarships.aspx

Every minority under the sun has a scholarship. Or, join the military. Or don't be a dentist.

You act like she had no choice but to go to dental school. You also ignored the part where I said dental school is okay to take out loans for. Professional degrees are not liberal arts degrees.
You act like it's going to pay all of it of.

"The maximum Pell grant for the 2015–16 award year (July 1, 2015, to June 30, 2016) is $5,775"

Which doesn't get you far, then there's the cost of living...etc. Haven't look up scholarship amount but it's going to be tiny too.

She wants to go to dental school because she wants to open up her open her own practice someday. Very few profession offers that kind of $ potential. Her best friend became a pharmacist, had to take out boat loads of loan too. Very normal in today's world for actual high paying jobs, as in $100+ an hr.

[Jameerthefear]

Where's your sis go to school Kings fan?

[bigkingsfan]

Atsu

[knickballer]

$16-$18 hour warehouse jobs. Right now. My girlfriend fills those spots for a living. Companies are literally paying out the ass to find someone QUALIFIED and WILLING to work. But those people are few and far between. It's her job, and even she can't find enough people willing to work that can pass a drug test.


First, I'm fairly certain that you're exaggerating the notion that companies are begging for work. Usually companies that use staffing agencies for work are trying to fill "undesirable" positions or are unrepeatable/small companies. I really doubt the validity of your wife's statement but I'll take your word on it move on to my next point..

$16-18 still ain't a wage where you can live on in many metro areas across the country. Therefore, someone(Especially a younger person) would still be living with their parents as their wages alone won't cover their rent let alone other living expenses..

I'm also fairly certain that those positions your wife talks about don't offer health insurance and other benefits either.

[UK2K]

[QUOTE=bigkingsfan]You act like it's going to pay all of it of.

"The maximum Pell grant for the 2015

[UK2K]

First, I'm fairly certain that you're exaggerating the notion that companies are begging for work. Usually companies that use staffing agencies for work are trying to fill "undesirable" positions or are unrepeatable/small companies. I really doubt the validity of your wife's statement but I'll take your word on it move on to my next point..

She sent this to me on 5/9:



Job Description: This position is responsible for monitoring video surveillance for multiple retail centers throughout the enterprise from a centralized location. In addition to monitoring, responsible for reviewing video alerts, analyzing crime trends, assisting with real time emergency situation management, investigating criminal and general liability cases and responding appropriately to the assigned retail centers or corporate management.

Work Environment: This is a contact center that every Simon Properties outsources their emergency calls and video surveillance to. It is located inside the. a Universal Services of America company, provides video security as a service by combining event-based video monitoring, edge-based analytics, audio intervention, GPS tracking, and other alarm monitoring services. Using an unprecedented combination of integrated software and hardware technologies, and real-time monitoring by Security Intervention Specialists, operates a Five Diamond and UL certified facility that is one of the most progressive facilities in the physical security sector.

Qualifications: Must Have
1. At least High School Diploma
2. at least one year in some type of video surveillance environment or combination of exp and training. (Military MP for example, Indiana Fusion Center employees, Police Cadets, 911 operators, Retired FOP, Sherrifs)


$24-26 to start. ~$50k a year. She sent me that in case I wanted to take it because I don't even make that much. If you're interested in the job, let me know.



$16-18 still ain't a wage where you can live on in many metro areas across the country. Therefore, someone(Especially a younger person) would still be living with their parents as their wages alone won't cover their rent let alone other living expenses..
Bullshit. I lived on $12/hr the first year I moved to Indianapolis , AND went to school first time. What you meant to say is it isn't fun to live on that wage. You're right, it isn't. But it can be done if you manage your finances.


I'm also fairly certain that those positions your wife talks about don't offer health insurance and other benefits either.

Many don't. Most, however, are contract to hire positions, meaning if you can not **** up for X amount of weeks (it's usually six, sometimes twelve, sometimes six months), you'll be hired on as regular staff.

As long as you don't do this...

This was the lady I mentioned:

She has already left for the day, so you will need to call her. It was not one single item that led to this decision. She was very friendly, personable, and did well answering the phone. She was unable to handle much beyond that. She also did not have the professional etiquette necessary for this position. Some of the things we witnessed were her spinning in her chair looking towards the ceiling while saying "wheeeeee", loud belching, passing gas with others nearby in the front lobby (at least 2 occasions), just to name a few. The behaviors we saw would not be tolerated in any office setting, but certainly cannot be tolerated by the first person seen when visitors walk in. Her behavior was just bazaar, to say the least.

I apologize for the short notice, but with board meeting next week, we just could not afford the risk of having her a second week. She did leave a drinking cup. If she wants to pick that up, she can do so when she drops off her badge.

That's a grown woman. That's the type of person who 'wants to work'.