If "Steph is not 100%", wouldn't it be logical to discredit the title run last year?

[gigantes]

i just noticed a poster on reddit make a pretty interesting point (https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/4l0uos/discussion_if_were_going_to_brush_off_gsws_recent/) about the warriors situation now and last year.


If we're going to brush off GSW's recent performance with the "Steph is not at 100%" excuse, wouldn't it be logical to discredit their title run last year?

GSW faced teams with their critical players injured in EVERY round of the playoffs last year. There can't possibly be anyone justifying their championship while at the same time arguing that the only reason GSW lost recently is because Steph is "injured".

He seemed fine up until he choked these past 2 games... And then the excuses rolled in. Would this even be brought up if the series was 2-2?

agree / disagree...?

[ArbitraryWater]

you post this like this is not hinted at in every thread or already in the back of everyones mind :lol

But it doesnt need the Curry angle, since hes fine, anyway... hes probably about 80% physically, which is where everyones at right now.

[livinglegend]

The difference is that Curry is not injured and last year, all of their opponents had legit injuries.
The injury excuses came after OKC exposed.
No one mentionned till OKC owned them in game 3.

[NBAGOAT]

it's pretty biased to use excuses when other players have played poorly because of injuries and gotten shit on. However, it's different to use an injury to excuse one player's bad play and to use an injury to claim "that cost us a championship". I haven't see one warrior fan use curry's injury to say okc was gifted a finals appearance etc which is essentially what people said last year. Every year, some contender usually multiple deals with an unfortunate injury.

[Inferno]

To be fair none of the injured players the Warriors played last year were their team's focal piece and clear cut best player except maybe Conley.

I forgot who was even out for the Pelicans (Holiday?), but do people really see him changing that from a sweep to them winning? :lol

Conley was back after 1 or 2 games, and admittedly not 100% but as I'll say here for Steph, no excuses. Tony Allen got injured but Kerr already neutralized him by putting Bogut on him. :confusedshrug:

We've seen time and time again that Patrick Beverly cannot guard star guards in the playoffs :oldlol: He hasn't stopped Lillard, Westbrook, CP3, or Curry. He wasn't changing the conference finals :facepalm

The Cavs series is the one where I'll admit the Dubs lucked out a little. But would Love really make a difference? He's shooting like 35% this year and is consensus trash on this board; Draymond would shut him down and he'd be abused on defense. Kyrie's a measurable loss, but the Warriors won the first game with him there, before they started playing up to their level in the last 3 games.

[livinglegend]

To be fair none of the injured players the Warriors played last year were their team's focal piece and clear cut best player except maybe Conley.

I forgot who was even out for the Pelicans (Holiday?), but do people really see him changing that from a sweep to them winning? :lol

Conley was back after 1 or 2 games, and admittedly not 100% but as I'll say here for Steph, no excuses. Tony Allen got injured but Kerr already neutralized him by putting Bogut on him. :confusedshrug:

We've seen time and time again that Patrick Beverly cannot guard star guards in the playoffs :oldlol: He hasn't stopped Lillard, Westbrook, CP3, or Curry. He wasn't changing the conference finals :facepalm

The Cavs series is the one where I'll admit the Dubs lucked out a little. But would Love really make a difference? He's shooting like 35% this year and is consensus trash on this board; Draymond would shut him down. Kyrie's a measurable loss, but the Warriors won the first game with him there, before they started playing up to their level in the last 3 games.

Rockets missed Beverly and Motiejunas. They were both in their starting 5 during regular season.
Conley and Allen's injuries were huge. The series was very close. It was 2-1 in favor of Grizzlies. With a 100% Conley, that series could have been Grizzlies' .
Love was playing well in the playoffs before getting injured. In fact, with Kyrie, Love and Lebron together, the team was something like 30-3. Losing both of them was HUGE. The main reason why Warriors won the last 3 games was fatigue. Cavs didn't have any depth. They got tired.

[SexSymbol]

didn't they beat the top 5 contenders for the MVP award last year?
It's not like they were playing bums.

[LBJ 23]

In fact, with Kyrie, Love and Lebron together, the team was something like 30-3. Losing both of them was HUGE. The main reason why Warriors won the last 3 games was fatigue. Cavs didn't have any depth. They got tired.


No. Lebron choked.

[Optimus Prime]

The only asterisk rings are from the lockout-shortened seasons.

:kobe:

[bdreason]

The idea of discrediting a championship because of injury is a slippery slope, because it can be used to discredit lots of titles.

Baylor goes down in '65... Celtics beat Lakers in the Finals. *

Worthy goes down in '83... 76ers beat Lakers in the Finals. *

Magic goes down in '89... Pistons beat the Lakers in the Finals. *

Nowitski goes down in '03... Spurs go on to win the title. *

Joe Johnson goes down in '05... Spurs go on to win the title. *

Yao Ming goes down in '09... Lakers win in 7 games, and go on to win the title. *


I could continue, but you get the point. At the end of the day, nobody cares about excuses. You either win the title, or you don't.

[RoseCity07]

Golden State is still stacked which makes it ever worse for Curry excuse makers.

Klay scored 19 in the 3rd. Lebron level ability to carry a team and he's the sidekick. No excuses.

[gigantes]

you post this like this is not hinted at in every thread or already in the back of everyones mind :lol

But it doesnt need the Curry angle, since hes fine, anyway... hes probably about 80% physically, which is where everyones at right now.
or maybe i post it deliberately because of such reasons. :rolleyes:

also, i take it that you're not a maths or logic guy. the alleged 70% knee strength is in addition to the "80% proportion of where he and everyone else would be at this point." meaning the total health would be even lower. that's not good for him or the warriors.



The idea of discrediting a championship because of injury is a slippery slope, because it can be used to discredit lots of titles.

Baylor goes down in '65... Celtics beat Lakers in the Finals. *

Worthy goes down in '83... 76ers beat Lakers in the Finals. *

Magic goes down in '89... Pistons beat the Lakers in the Finals. *

Nowitski goes down in '03... Spurs go on to win the title. *

Joe Johnson goes down in '05... Spurs go on to win the title. *

Yao Ming goes down in '09... Lakers win in 7 games, and go on to win the title. *

I could continue, but you get the point. At the end of the day, nobody cares about excuses. You either win the title, or you don't.
very much agreed.

in life, you play the hand that is dealt you against the hands that everyone else at the table is dealt. asterisks get thrown around a lot, but rarely do i agree that they are valid. for example, i would certainly not give the NBA-shortened seasons asterisks, but would probably give it to a likely steroid abuser and equipment cheater such as barry bonds.

OTOH, i think the OP has a point: if you're going to make a big deal about curry being hurt this year, then you better get ready to hear the same about last year.

[raprap]

didn't they beat the top 5 contenders for the MVP award last year?
It's not like they were playing bums.
Yes, because the game is played individually... :rolleyes:


You're an idiot.

[Ai2death]

i just noticed a poster on reddit make a pretty interesting point (https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/4l0uos/discussion_if_were_going_to_brush_off_gsws_recent/) about the warriors situation now and last year.



agree / disagree...?

You mean Steph '0 FMVP Votes' Curry?

[ArbitraryWater]

or maybe i post it deliberately because of such reasons. :rolleyes:

also, i take it that you're not a maths or logic guy. the alleged 70% knee strength is in addition to the "80% proportion of where he and everyone else would be at this point." meaning the total health would be even lower. that's not good for him or the warriors.



very much agreed.

in life, you play the hand that is dealt you against the hands that everyone else at the table is dealt. asterisks get thrown around a lot, but rarely do i agree that they are valid. for example, i would certainly not give the NBA-shortened seasons asterisks, but would probably give it to a likely steroid abuser and equipment cheater such as barry bonds.

OTOH, i think the OP has a point: if you're going to make a big deal about curry being hurt this year, then you better get ready to hear the same about last year.

Lol, the knee is fine homie, thought you may be adressing the elbow or whatever. It was a sprain, chill.

[Stringer Bell]

No one is 100% come playoff time. They're all banged up and/or fatigued.

[gigantes]

Lol, the knee is fine homie, thought you may be adressing the elbow or whatever. It was a sprain, chill.
fans would be the last people to know either way. so #1, you have no idea what you're talking about.

and to clarify-- i'm talking about whatever the biggest injury is that he's allegedly suffering from. i have no idea if it's the knee or the elbow or something else, for sure.

the point of OP's argument revolves around IF the injury is significant, something which nobody is going to know for sure unless they're closely associated with the dubs. if that's the case, THEN the 'discrediting of last year' argument comes in to play.

let me know if you need any further help in understanding the issue. :pimp:

[G-train]

If you are on the court and moving around fine, then there is no excuses.
They are simply being outplayed.

[ArbitraryWater]

fans would be the last people to know either way. so #1, you have no idea what you're talking about.

and to clarify-- i'm talking about whatever the biggest injury is that he's allegedly suffering from. i have no idea if it's the knee or the elbow or something else, for sure.

the point of OP's argument revolves around IF the injury is significant, something which nobody is going to know for sure unless they're closely associated with the dubs. if that's the case, THEN the 'discrediting of last year' argument comes in to play.

let me know if you need any further help in understanding the issue. :pimp:

If nobody knows anyway whats the point of the thread :oldlol:

Hes playing like many others, and no one is at 100% at this point.. and thats all you need to know.

[ekosky]

No. Lebron choked.
It wasn't a choke when he was clearly and easily the best player in the series.

[gigantes]

If nobody knows anyway whats the point of the thread :oldlol:

Hes playing like many others, and no one is at 100% at this point.. and thats all you need to know.
the answer to your Q is that we know he had some kind of significant injury recently and we know he hasn't been playing the same since he came back.

"nobody is 100% by the playoffs" is a generalisation which is often, but not always, true. therefore it's pretty much useless to mention.

and hence the point of OP's thought.


have you been losing sleep, lately, arbitrary...? you seem kinda off today. :(

[ArbitraryWater]

the answer to your Q is that we know he had some kind of significant injury recently and we know he hasn't been playing the same since he came back.

"nobody is 100% by the playoffs" is a generalisation which is often, but not always, true. therefore it's pretty much useless to mention.

and hence the point of OP's thought.


have you been losing sleep, lately, arbitrary...? you seem kinda off today. :(

sounds convincing.. this thread was kind of a fail, no? Looks like one of your zero reply rambling OTC threads :lol .. really no place for you right now without watching any tennis/not being informed on tennis..

[Dro]

To be fair none of the injured players the Warriors played last year were their team's focal piece and clear cut best player except maybe Conley.

I forgot who was even out for the Pelicans (Holiday?), but do people really see him changing that from a sweep to them winning? :lol

Conley was back after 1 or 2 games, and admittedly not 100% but as I'll say here for Steph, no excuses. Tony Allen got injured but Kerr already neutralized him by putting Bogut on him. :confusedshrug:

We've seen time and time again that Patrick Beverly cannot guard star guards in the playoffs :oldlol: He hasn't stopped Lillard, Westbrook, CP3, or Curry. He wasn't changing the conference finals :facepalm

The Cavs series is the one where I'll admit the Dubs lucked out a little. But would Love really make a difference? He's shooting like 35% this year and is consensus trash on this board; Draymond would shut him down and he'd be abused on defense. Kyrie's a measurable loss, but the Warriors won the first game with him there, before they started playing up to their level in the last 3 games.
It doesn't matter, its the same point...How are you guys rationalizing this?

[JebronLames]

LeBron basically played with a broken back last year. Heard no excuses from him. Lol Paul pierce outplayed Kobe in the 08 finals with a sprained knee.

[gigantes]

sounds convincing.. this thread was kind of a fail, no? Looks like one of your zero reply rambling OTC threads :lol .. really no place for you right now without watching any tennis/not being informed on tennis..
sounds like you're thinking of one of your own threads.

and tennis is the only sport worth discussing...? you get weirder every day, son. :rolleyes:

[AirBonner]

No excuses. It's the job of the coach to make adjustments and Kerr simply hasn't done that. Because he is not that good.

[Stringer Bell]

The idea of discrediting a championship because of injury is a slippery slope, because it can be used to discredit lots of titles.

Baylor goes down in '65... Celtics beat Lakers in the Finals. *

Worthy goes down in '83... 76ers beat Lakers in the Finals. *

Magic goes down in '89... Pistons beat the Lakers in the Finals. *

Nowitski goes down in '03... Spurs go on to win the title. *

Joe Johnson goes down in '05... Spurs go on to win the title. *

Yao Ming goes down in '09... Lakers win in 7 games, and go on to win the title. *


I could continue, but you get the point. At the end of the day, nobody cares about excuses. You either win the title, or you don't.

Yeah, there's so often always going to be injuries, controversial calls, etc...to discredit titles if you want to look at it from that perspective.

1958: Russell injured his ankle, the Celtics still lost their games to the Hawks by very close margins.

1969: West suffered a hamstring injury, Chamberlain a knee injury, close game 7 loss to the Celtics.

1970: West injured his fingers in finals. Chamberlain missed most of season.

1978: Walton got injured, the defending champion Blazers were 50-10 with him and 10-18 without him in the regular season and postseason.

1985: Bird hurt his elbow and allegedly hurt his hand in a bar fight.

1987: McHale had a broken bone in foot, Celtics were all banged up and injured and lost to the Lakers. The Rockets had key suspensions and injuries after having beaten the Lakers in 1986 and were supposed to be the team of the future.

1988: Isiah was injured and it compromised his game 7 performance, Pistons still only lost by 3. Controversial foul call on Laimbeer.

1991: Scott and Worthy were fighting injuries.

1994-95: Jordan was playing baseball, didn't have enough time to properly prepare.

1996: Grant was injured, he had killed the Bulls the previous year.

1999: Strike season

2000: Duncan was injured.

2002: Controversial refereeing

2006: Controversial refereeing

2007: Suspensions to the Suns after Horry took a cheap shot at Nash

2008: Bynum was injured

2010: Perkins was injured for game 7, Lakers killed Celtics on the boards.

2014: Thunder lost Westbrook to injuries

2015: Warriors faced injured teams

2016: Curry recovering from injury

There's always gonna be something that comes up. Injuries are just a part of sports.

Could you picture though, if a player today, particularly a sharp shooter like Curry or Durant, allegedly hurt his hand in a bar fight and then went on to struggle shooting the ball in the Finals? He'd be destroyed by the media and fans.

[ArbitraryWater]

Meh... some of that is just nitpicking.

Only a few of those are of note, like '88, '15...

wow, I expected to come up with more. Most of the other stuff won't affect the title. Westbrook's '13 injury was huge, but, the Heat would remain the favorite. Some iffy stiff for sure, but nothing quite as obvious as the '88 Laimbeer foul call and '15 Irving/Love injury, IMO.

'78 would be as well, but since that pretty much made Walton and his career, its just a part of what he sadly was, destiny of his.

[SummrtimeEmbiid]

All these excuses don't change sh*t.

LeBron fouled the sh*t outta KD in Game 1 or 2 in the '11 Finals; nothing was called, Miami went home with the split & the series never got a change to shift back to OKC.

Had KG not got hurt to end the 09 season & Kedrick Perkins in the '10 Finals Boston could've ended up 3x champs.

It's just the way the game goes. Injuries are a part of the sport sometimes in your favor (GSW in '15) sometimes not (GSW in '16). Either way you still gotta play the game.

[tontoz]

Injuries are part of the game. If Curry is playing hurt, tough. I was hoping to see them repeat but if OKC beats them there is no asterisk at all.