Have the refs favored OKC in the playoffs?

[stalkerforlife]

I try not to pay much attention to the refs, so I don't really know for sure. However, I've heard people claiming OKC has been favored by the refs/NBA the entire playoffs.

The only thing I've noticed that was really evident is that once Westbrook is aggressive going towards the basket, it's an automatic foul on the defense. Curry has literally not been allowed to guard Westbrook at all.

[stalkerforlife]

And one more thing I've noticed is that OKC is allowed to be extremely hands on and aggressive with Curry while he's been off the ball.

[ekosky]

Curry can't handle the nasty that Westbrook and OKC bring.

He hasn't been tested with this kind of power yet. Not once in the past two playoffs. Too skinny and weak to bang with the big boys like big daddy Russell.

[Prime_Shaq]

Draymond kicked Steven GOAT Adams in the kiwis and didn't get suspended, that's already favoring the Warriors.

[tpols]

I wouldnt say theyve favored them.. but westbrook does have that real quick coordination where he can hit you, pull away and lay it in to spam layups and draw fouls.. hes like a mini bron in that regard.

[no pun intended]

When you lose by more than 20 points, what difference does it make? Either way, they haven't been favored at all.

[bdreason]

I thought they got some serious favoritism in OKC, but it didn't determine the outcomes.

[ballinhun8]

I don't think I've ever seen Westbrook go in for a layup without falling down :confusedshrug:

[FKAri]

Slightly, yes. It's balanced out by Green somehow not getting suspended. Even last game he tripped Kanter which should've been a flagrant and resulted in him getting suspended due to his total.

[ScalsFan21]

All I'll say is in the second half of Game 1, I watched Westbrook get a lot of second half whistles that he should NOT have gotten. We all know about the travel late, but there were a lot of questionable calls in the midst of when OKC was erasing that halftime deficit that I was like... meh.

[ScalsFan21]

Slightly, yes. It's balanced out by Green somehow not getting suspended.

I agree with that. Say what you will about how bad Green was anyway in that game, they NEED Green to beat this team the way they're going, and having him on the court is something they should not have had access to in G4.

[kav23]

Asking if the refs favored OKC this playoffs is like asking if bears s--t in the woods or if the Pope is Catholic.

See Games 2 and 5 of the Spurs series.

[Cleverness]

I thought they got some serious favoritism in OKC, but it didn't determine the outcomes.

This

Last game Klay and Bogut were given a few early BS calls that put 'em on the bench quick. Just a few obvious ones that went OKC's way in game 4:

1st quarter
1020 travel by Ibaka, no call
955 phantom foul on Bogut
920 out of bounds on Adams, called out on Bogut
843 Curry fouled twice, no call
516 Phantom foul on Iggy
327 Adams elbows Ezeli, called foul on Ezeli. Steve Kerr begging refs, but not a single f*** was given

2nd
1123 phantom fouls on Klay and Speights
1016 Iggy punched, no foul call
957 Phantom foul, fts given to Durant
845 Another phantom foul on Draymond, Durant gifted FTs
755 offensive foul by WB, called foul on Thompson really bad
739 phantom foul on Bogut takes away three away from Curry
707 Draymond tripped right in front of ref, no call (payback for his kick flop in game 3, sure)
658 Phantom foul on Curry, WB gifted FTs
603 Phantom foul on Bogut
515 Iggy shoved by Durant, no call
10s Curry fouled shooting 3, no call

3rd
1100 Klay fouled shooting 3 no call
1015 Curry fouled shooting 3 no call
715 Draymond tripped twice, no call (payback for his kick flop in game 3, sure)
640 another flop by Adams, phantom foul given to Bogut
625 DG Offensive elbow by WB, no call
527 WB given FTs again
135 in 3rd shows Curry fouled 3 times no call

4th
1045 Speights fouled no call

refs secured it at that point.:applause:


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[Uncle Drew]

Lmao, the going gets tough for once and they immediately point to the refs. FOH.

[orange_chicken]

I feel Adam Silver doesn't want Durant to leave OKC so he's probably doing everything to help Thunders succeed. The Spurs-Thunder series proves that. People be like "that's just 1 or 2 errors from refs who cares." Well 1 or 2 errors/miscalled can change everything around especially if it's in favor of an elite team like OKC.

[imdaman99]

:cry: :cry:

:cry: :cry:
:roll: :roll:

[IcanzIIravor]

OKC has relentlessly been on the attack, The Warriors have been extremely passive, settling for jumpers and quick shots. Of course the Ft disparity is going to be there. Never fails, each year the teams getting it handed to them have fans and bandwagon people groaning about officiating and coming up with conspiracies.

[Jyap9675]

Yes OKC is being favored by the refs and is the main reason as to why
GS is in the brink of elimination.













Not really

[masonanddixon]

Absolutely, OKC got away with some seriously dirty play vs Dallas, Durant should've been suspended for a flagrant elbow on Mejri.

Pretty embarrassing shit given they were up against a team decimated by injuries.

[stalkerforlife]

I feel Adam Silver doesn't want Durant to leave OKC so he's probably doing everything to help Thunders succeed. The Spurs-Thunder series proves that. People be like "that's just 1 or 2 errors from refs who cares." Well 1 or 2 errors/miscalled can change everything around especially if it's in favor of an elite team like OKC.

Very good point.

If Durant leaves OKC, they'll be another meaningless small market team and the NBA will lose a lot of money.

[PP34Deuce]

OKC has 3 guys that can penetrate to the basket aggressively in Waiters, Westbrook, and Durant.

Steph can do it 1-2 times, but it's not his game.
Klay can do it but not for a whole game.
Iggy can't do it like he used to.

the next best penetrator is Barbosa and he's a liability defensively if he plays beyond 15-20 minutes.

Westbrook does actually get fouled and he looks to score when he gets in the paint. Durant gets superstar calls but I feel he's earned most of them. Refs have no called his rip through move at all.

[hold this L]

This

Last game Klay and Bogut were given a few early BS calls that put 'em on the bench quick. Just a few obvious ones that went OKC's way in game 4:

1st quarter
1020 travel by Ibaka, no call
955 phantom foul on Bogut
920 out of bounds on Adams, called out on Bogut
843 Curry fouled twice, no call
516 Phantom foul on Iggy
327 Adams elbows Ezeli, called foul on Ezeli. Steve Kerr begging refs, but not a single f*** was given

2nd
1123 phantom fouls on Klay and Speights
1016 Iggy punched, no foul call
957 Phantom foul, fts given to Durant
845 Another phantom foul on Draymond, Durant gifted FTs
755 offensive foul by WB, called foul on Thompson really bad
739 phantom foul on Bogut takes away three away from Curry
707 Draymond tripped right in front of ref, no call (payback for his kick flop in game 3, sure)
658 Phantom foul on Curry, WB gifted FTs
603 Phantom foul on Bogut
515 Iggy shoved by Durant, no call
10s Curry fouled shooting 3, no call

3rd
1100 Klay fouled shooting 3 no call
1015 Curry fouled shooting 3 no call
715 Draymond tripped twice, no call (payback for his kick flop in game 3, sure)
640 another flop by Adams, phantom foul given to Bogut
625 DG Offensive elbow by WB, no call
527 WB given FTs again
135 in 3rd shows Curry fouled 3 times no call

4th
1045 Speights fouled no call

refs secured it at that point.:applause:


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OKC have mastered the art of flopping like total bitches and fouling hard in this series.

[Lebron23]

OKC have mastered the art of flopping like total bitches and fouling hard in this series.


Meltdown

[Goldrush25]

OKC's been the aggressor. Refs are going to reward that. You can't get any calls if you settle for jump shots.

OKC's touched up Steph a little bit off the ball but nothing egregious has been missed.

[HurricaneKid]

GSW fans complaining about officiating is downright COMICAL.

[Da_Realist]

http://deadspin.com/the-thunder-are-whats-wrong-with-the-warriors-1778888313

[Team_Chemistry]

Yes, they have, but just in the Spurs - OKC series :facepalm

[bdreason]

Warriors starters are actually +17 in this series. Makes those phantom fouls on Bogut and Klay look a lot worse.

[AirBonner]

Green has been bodyslamming and kicking people all year long. also all of the moving screens :oldlol: :oldlol: Playoff basketball is a different animal quit crying.

[ArbitraryWater]

http://deadspin.com/the-thunder-are-whats-wrong-with-the-warriors-1778888313

:applause:

[hold this L]

http://deadspin.com/the-thunder-are-whats-wrong-with-the-warriors-1778888313
http://deadspin.com/the-warriors-are-the-best-team-ever-and-they-can-eat-s-1761305524

Sounds like he is from ISH :lol

[KnicksWolves]

The reffing has seemed normal enough to me. The home teams have gotten slight favoritism in their respective arenas, but nothing too drastic. OKC just knows how to abuse Steph on the defensive end, leaving him physically and mentally drained on the side of the ball where he needs to thrive.

Also, f*ck Draymond Green. :D

[ninephive]

I try not to pay much attention to the refs, so I don't really know for sure. However, I've heard people claiming OKC has been favored by the refs/NBA the entire playoffs.

The only thing I've noticed that was really evident is that once Westbrook is aggressive going towards the basket, it's an automatic foul on the defense. Curry has literally not been allowed to guard Westbrook at all.
When Westbrook or Durant want to be fouled, they can get one almost every single play. This is why Westbrook particularly has so many wild shots. On the rare occasion that he doesn't actually get the whistle when he's trying, it becomes evident that he actually wasn't trying to score. How else do you explain over-the-backboard 3-pointers at the end of a game or layups that miss the basket by 10 feet? This year they have both (WB & KD) been vey smart about forcing the refs to blow the whistle at the end of close games and it's worked.

On the other side of the ball, you see the physicality they're allowed to play with. You see it with their bigs going over the back often and then them holding players when they try to run around screens. You saw this with Curry the other night where he was held by 3 or 4 different players when running his loop. The same happened with Parker, especially in 2012. Once that 80's/90's style defense is allowed on one end of the court for multiple games (even though it's been called all season), you start having to change your approach mid-series and for the Spurs (and I'm seeing it with the Warriors now too), it's completely demoralizing. They literally look like completely different teams, not sure how to move on offense without getting held and with no clue whatsoever what to do on defense knowing that if you are in the vicinity of these guys, they're going to flail and get a whistle.

[ninephive]

Asking if the refs favored OKC this playoffs is like asking if bears s--t in the woods or if the Pope is Catholic.

See Games 2 and 5 of the Spurs series.
That too, or the entire 2012 series.

[stalkerforlife]

When Westbrook or Durant want to be fouled, they can get one almost every single play. This is why Westbrook particularly has so many wild shots. On the rare occasion that he doesn't actually get the whistle when he's trying, it becomes evident that he actually wasn't trying to score. How else do you explain over-the-backboard 3-pointers at the end of a game or layups that miss the basket by 10 feet? This year they have both (WB & KD) been vey smart about forcing the refs to blow the whistle at the end of close games and it's worked.

On the other side of the ball, you see the physicality they're allowed to play with. You see it with their bigs going over the back often and then them holding players when they try to run around screens. You saw this with Curry the other night where he was held by 3 or 4 different players when running his loop. The same happened with Parker, especially in 2012. Once that 80's/90's style defense is allowed on one end of the court for multiple games (even though it's been called all season), you start having to change your approach mid-series and for the Spurs (and I'm seeing it with the Warriors now too), it's completely demoralizing. They literally look like completely different teams, not sure how to move on offense without getting held and with no clue whatsoever what to do on defense knowing that if you are in the vicinity of these guys, they're going to flail and get a whistle.

I think you're right.

And I think it all comes down to the NBA wanting to keep stars on a small market team. The big market teams make money, regardless...but small market teams need star power to produce big sums.

[Hey Yo]

This

Last game Klay and Bogut were given a few early BS calls that put 'em on the bench quick. Just a few obvious ones that went OKC's way in game 4:

1st quarter
1020 travel by Ibaka, no call
955 phantom foul on Bogut
920 out of bounds on Adams, called out on Bogut
843 Curry fouled twice, no call
516 Phantom foul on Iggy
327 Adams elbows Ezeli, called foul on Ezeli. Steve Kerr begging refs, but not a single f*** was given

2nd
1123 phantom fouls on Klay and Speights
1016 Iggy punched, no foul call
957 Phantom foul, fts given to Durant
845 Another phantom foul on Draymond, Durant gifted FTs
755 offensive foul by WB, called foul on Thompson really bad
739 phantom foul on Bogut takes away three away from Curry
707 Draymond tripped right in front of ref, no call (payback for his kick flop in game 3, sure)
658 Phantom foul on Curry, WB gifted FTs
603 Phantom foul on Bogut
515 Iggy shoved by Durant, no call
10s Curry fouled shooting 3, no call

3rd
1100 Klay fouled shooting 3 no call
1015 Curry fouled shooting 3 no call
715 Draymond tripped twice, no call (payback for his kick flop in game 3, sure)
640 another flop by Adams, phantom foul given to Bogut
625 DG Offensive elbow by WB, no call
527 WB given FTs again
135 in 3rd shows Curry fouled 3 times no call

4th
1045 Speights fouled no call

refs secured it at that point.:applause:
:roll:

You actually took the time to write down every call/non-call during the game? Can you imagine the ones you missed while writing the others down?

Ref's didn't secure shit. Why not post Curry going 0-5 on un-contested 3's and 0-5 on lay-ups?

Maybe that's what helped OKC secure the win.



writing them down.... :roll:

[AirBonner]

Meltdown. The warriors are simply being out played by the length and thickness of the thunder. no excuses.

[hold this L]

When Westbrook or Durant want to be fouled, they can get one almost every single play. This is why Westbrook particularly has so many wild shots. On the rare occasion that he doesn't actually get the whistle when he's trying, it becomes evident that he actually wasn't trying to score. How else do you explain over-the-backboard 3-pointers at the end of a game or layups that miss the basket by 10 feet? This year they have both (WB & KD) been vey smart about forcing the refs to blow the whistle at the end of close games and it's worked.

On the other side of the ball, you see the physicality they're allowed to play with. You see it with their bigs going over the back often and then them holding players when they try to run around screens. You saw this with Curry the other night where he was held by 3 or 4 different players when running his loop. The same happened with Parker, especially in 2012. Once that 80's/90's style defense is allowed on one end of the court for multiple games (even though it's been called all season), you start having to change your approach mid-series and for the Spurs (and I'm seeing it with the Warriors now too), it's completely demoralizing. They literally look like completely different teams, not sure how to move on offense without getting held and with no clue whatsoever what to do on defense knowing that if you are in the vicinity of these guys, they're going to flail and get a whistle.
Yeah, the officiating is all over the damn place. Either allow all physical or keep it soft where players like Westbrook/Adams can flop and get the call regardless of contact. I'm fine with either or, but keep it consistent.

[imdaman99]

:roll:

You actually took the time to write down every call/non-call during the game? Can you imagine the ones you missed while writing the others down?

Ref's didn't secure shit. Why not post Curry going 0-5 on un-contested 3's and 0-5 on lay-ups?

Maybe that's what helped OKC secure the win.

writing them down.... :roll:
Come on man, why bring logic into this? He got fouled on those wide open layups and 3 pointers :rant

[tpols]

They literally look like completely different teams, not sure how to move on offense without getting held and with no clue whatsoever what to do on defense knowing that if you are in the vicinity of these guys, they're going to flail and get a whistle.

It's because Kawhi Leonard and Steph Curry, dont ever flop or play for the call.. its actually a big hole in their game because they would be able to counter what OKC is doing if they just had the willingness to initiate contact and then flop as if they were the ones hit.. someone needs to hand them tape of kemba walker and jeremy lin from the first round and tell curry to do that anytime he gets a big on his hip

[Hey Yo]

It's because Kawhi Leonard and Steph Curry, dont ever flop or play for the call.. its actually a big hole in their game because they would be able to counter what OKC is doing if they just had the willingness to initiate contact and then flop as if they were the ones hit.. someone needs to hand them tape of kemba walker and jeremy lin from the first round and tell curry to do that anytime he gets a big on his hip
:oldlol:

You've never seen Curry fall to the floor on a contested 3....looking for the call?

He just did it Tuesday night in the first half!

[tpols]

:oldlol:

You've never seen Curry fall to the floor on a contested 3....looking for the call?

He just did it Tuesday night in the first half!

Defenders jump into curry all the time when hes still following through..

Steph Curry only getting 4 free throws a game in the playoffs. Not gonna get it done.

Put your glasses back on, chico.

[KG215]

Yes. Definitely.

[Hey Yo]

Defenders jump into curry all the time when hes still following through..

Steph Curry only getting 4 free throws a game in the playoffs. Not gonna get it done.

Put your glasses back on, chico.
I'm not talking just playoffs cause you said Curry never flops/ exaggerates contact.

That claim is total bullshit......

[Euroleague]

Westbrook is the new D-Whistle. It is the same reffing as 2006 all over again.

The NBA is a staged and rigged soap opera. The fact so many people still don't realize this is amazing.

[Euroleague]

When Westbrook or Durant want to be fouled, they can get one almost every single play. This is why Westbrook particularly has so many wild shots. On the rare occasion that he doesn't actually get the whistle when he's trying, it becomes evident that he actually wasn't trying to score. How else do you explain over-the-backboard 3-pointers at the end of a game or layups that miss the basket by 10 feet? This year they have both (WB & KD) been vey smart about forcing the refs to blow the whistle at the end of close games and it's worked.

On the other side of the ball, you see the physicality they're allowed to play with. You see it with their bigs going over the back often and then them holding players when they try to run around screens. You saw this with Curry the other night where he was held by 3 or 4 different players when running his loop. The same happened with Parker, especially in 2012. Once that 80's/90's style defense is allowed on one end of the court for multiple games (even though it's been called all season), you start having to change your approach mid-series and for the Spurs (and I'm seeing it with the Warriors now too), it's completely demoralizing. They literally look like completely different teams, not sure how to move on offense without getting held and with no clue whatsoever what to do on defense knowing that if you are in the vicinity of these guys, they're going to flail and get a whistle.

This is the same kind of game rigging that FIBA does whenever Team USA plays any game, against any other team. Team USA is always allowed to play like the 90s Heat/Knicks, while the opposing team cannot even look close at Team USA without getting called for fouling.

This type of game fixing is guaranteed and infallible. The team being favored in this way by the refs, is always going to win the game. And it takes people that are very astute in basketball to grasp what is even happening.