Daniel Gibson 31 points (7-9 FG) 2007 ECF Game 6

[ImKobe]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PG58oZyw538

one of the craziest outbursts in NBA Playoffs history

4 threes in the 4th quarter :bowdown:

[DukeDelonte13]

his entire career was built off of that and one other game during that playoff run.


That dude did nothing well.

He had one season of shooting the 3ball well. Undersized, couldn't handle the ball, slow, couldn't defend, couldn't pass, etc...


But man was he loved in Cleveland.

[Disaprine]

:lebroncry:

[bigkingsfan]

Poor man Fisher

[feyki]

+ All star Ilgauskas + Max contract Larry Hughes ..

Lebron was lucky as f.kk in his first Cavs days.

Btw , He wanted to being in Super/Special Team ( he declared that about a few months ago ) and runaway to Wade's team . Of course , He got popularity when reach some success . But we , truth keepers , already knew what happened .

A non competitive coward b.tch ..

[imdaman99]

Carried his team to the Finals :applause: Lebron got them the lead in game 5, and Boobie finished them off in game 6.

[Hey Yo]

+ All star Ilgauskas + Max contract Larry Hughes ..

Lebron was lucky as f.kk in his first Cavs days.

Btw , He wanted to being in Super/Special Team ( he declared that about a few months ago ) and runaway to Wade's team . Of course , He got popularity when reach some success . But we , truth keepers , already knew what happened .

A non competitive coward b.tch ..
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[sd3035]

Lebald had one of only two stacked teams in the EAST during his first run with the Cavs. The other being Boston of course

He upgraded to most stacked team in the league with the Heat and Current Cavs team :applause: :applause:

[ShawkFactory]

Lebald had one of only two stacked teams in the EAST during his first run with the Cavs. The other being Boston of course

He upgraded to most stacked team in the league with the Heat and Current Cavs team :applause: :applause:
Lol that's like saying the raptors are on of two stacked teams in the east this year.

Still a ways behind #1

[RedBlackAttack]

It's easy to forget after nine years how much of a favorite Detroit was going into that series. They were supposed to be THE team in the East. The season before they won 64 games and were arguably the title favorite in the league.

But, the Heat upset them in the ECF and obviously went on that amazing championship run. The next year, which is when all the Gibson madness happened, a lot of "experts" were calling this a potential sweep or 5-game series.

Not many people thought the Cavs had a chance. Then, LeBron went insane in Game 5 and Boobie put the nails in the coffin.

What an upset.

[Meticode]

It's easy to forget after nine years how much of a favorite Detroit was going into that series. They were supposed to be THE team in the East. The season before they won 64 games and were arguably the title favorite in the league.

But, the Heat upset them in the ECF and obviously went on that amazing championship run. The next year, which is when all the Gibson madness happened, a lot of "experts" were calling this a potential sweep or 5-game series.

Not many people thought the Cavs had a chance. Then, LeBron went insane in Game 5 and Boobie put the nails in the coffin.

What an upset.
I remember when this happened I thought, "There's no f*cking way they're going to beat the Spurs." and we got swept. :oldlol:

[Lebron23]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PG58oZyw538

one of the craziest outbursts in NBA Playoffs history

4 threes in the 4th quarter :bowdown:

I actually thought he was going to be a solid starter in his nba career, but boobie gibson was so inconsistent.

[pandiani17]

What the hell happened to this guy? I only remember him for this game and winning the Rookie-Sophomore game MVP a year later.

[3ba11]

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Lebron ECF and Eastern Playoffs......... 25.8 on 45%

Jordan's lowest ppg in a series............ 26.6 on 45%


Imagine having a conference so weak that 25 ppg was enough and 1-star teams like Iverson, Dwight and Kidd were winning it

[SouBeachTalents]

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Lebron ECF and Eastern Playoffs......... 25.8 on 45%

Jordan's lowest ppg in a series............ 26.6 on 45%


Imagine having a conference so weak that 25 ppg was enough and 1-star teams like Iverson, Dwight and Kidd were winning it
Those are both better than Kobe's career Finals numbers. Imagine having Finals opponents so weak that 25 ppg was enough to win 5 titles.

[3ba11]

Those are both better than Kobe's career Finals numbers. Imagine having Finals opponents so weak that 25 ppg was enough to win 5 titles.


As the first option, Kobe needed 29-32 while defeating maximum defensive attention (carrying scoring load)..

Kobe possessed the elite jumpshooting skill needed to defeat maximum defensive attentio (carry scoring load in Finals), so he could win with secondary producers at sidekick like Pau, Wiggins or Pippen, while Lebron's ball-dominance and turnovers requires all-time scorers at sidekick.

Obviously, it's easier for GM's to build a team cheaper defenders, but this requires a 1st option like Kobe, Curry or MJ that can CARRY THE SCORING LOAD

[SouBeachTalents]

As the first option, Kobe needed 29-32 while defeating maximum defensive attention (carrying scoring load)..

Kobe possessed the elite jumpshooting skill needed to defeat maximum defensive attentio (carry scoring load in Finals), so he could win with secondary producers at sidekick like Pau, Wiggins or Pippen, while Lebron's ball-dominance and turnovers requires all-time scorers at sidekick.

Obviously, it's easier for GM's to build a team cheaper defenders, but this requires a 1st option like Kobe, Curry or MJ that can CARRY THE SCORING LOAD
But LeBron carried the scoring load in the '07 ECF, winning with his 2nd option averaging 13.5 ppg.

[3ba11]

But LeBron carried the scoring load in the '07 ECF, winning with his 2nd option averaging 13.5 ppg.


ECF isn't the maximum

Maximum defensive attention can only occur on the championship level (Finals), where Lebron was leprosy

Furthermore, the Pistons weren't a top 5 SRS team, so Lebron never defeated a top 5 SRS team with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick (no carry-jobs against good teams in 2 decades of playing)

He simply lacks the elite jumpshooting skill needed to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load), so he needs elite-scoring sidekicks.. Furthermore, he needs elite-scoring teammates to prevent his ball-centric carry-jobs - at carry-job volumes, Lebron lacks sufficient brand of ball to beat top teams

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[SouBeachTalents]

ECF isn't the maximum

Maximum defensive attention can only occur on the championship level (Finals), where Lebron was leprosy

Furthermore, the Pistons weren't a top 5 SRS team, so Lebron never defeated a top 5 SRS team with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick (no carry-jobs against good teams in 2 decades of playing)
Guess that confirms LeBron was better than AD in 2020.

And in '07 the Bulls had a higher SRS than the Pistons, you wanna tell me they were the better team? In 2018 the Raptors had a much higher SRS than the Warriors, does that mean LeBron swept a team that was better than the Warriors?

[3ba11]

Guess that confirms LeBron was better than AD in 2020.

And in '07 the Bulls had a higher SRS than the Pistons, you wanna tell me they were the better team? In 2018 the Raptors had a much higher SRS than the Warriors, does that mean LeBron swept a team that was better than the Warriors?


It's a massive sample size that overcomes the occasional SRS discrepancy:

In 2 decades of playing, Lebron never defeated a top 5 SRS team with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick, so he never had a carry-job against a good team in 2 decades

So he can't carry bed-wetting teammates over good teams and he can't defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load in Finals)

These are accurate statements that span TWO DECADES

[SouBeachTalents]

It's a massive sample size that overcomes the occasional SRS discrepancy:

In 2 decades of playing, Lebron never defeated a top 5 SRS team with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick, so he never had a carry-job against a good team in 2 decades

So he can't carry bed-wetting teammates over good teams and he can't defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load in Finals)

These are accurate statements that span TWO DECADES
Well sadly, this cherry picked, hyper limited, arbitrary criteria won't change the fact LeBron will be considered a consensus top 2 player of all time when it's all said and done. But you can cling to this and repeat it a thousand more times if it helps you cope with this reality.

[WhiteKyrie]

Shot the Cavs into the Finals. Mega performance from a very good role player, at that time. Can’t imagine John Paxson, BJ Armstrong, Ron Harper, or Steve Kerr having a game of that magnitude at that position, that’s for damn sure. Let alone in that circumstance and pressure.

[TheGoatest]

This random scrub whose career high averages are 11.6 ppg, 2.9 rpg and 3.0 apg was LeBron's #2 in an eastern conference finals win against the Billups-Hamilton-Rasheed-Tayshaun Pistons team that went on to win 59 games with that exact same core the following season. Let that sink in.

[ShawkFactory]

Carried his team to the Finals :applause: Lebron got them the lead in game 5, and Boobie finished them off in game 6.

I watched the 4th quarter back about a year or so ago..dude didn’t “carry” anything. Detroit was doubling the shit out of Lebron, left him open, and he got hot and hit the open shots. Good on him for doing that because it was what was needed but he did nothing but spot up.

Cleveland was leading going into the 4th where Gibson went off and they held Detroit to 16 points in the quarter, led entirely by Lebron.

[Wally450]

SouBeach absolutely owning 3ball in this thread.

Repped.

[SouBeachTalents]

SouBeach absolutely owning 3ball in this thread.

Repped.
That's why I've always found it laughable when people actually try to rep 3ball as being a great poster. His arguments are so easy to rip to shreds due to his laughable inconsistencies and double standards. Once you call him out on one of them, he just moves the goalposts to something else.

He actually thinks this ridiculously specific and frankly meaningless criteria, the "top 5 SRS Finals scoring maximum defensive attention bed wetting teammates", whatever jumbled nonsense he copy and pastes :lol, is a legitimate criteria, not to mention apparently the only criteria, to evaluate players which is why he has unfathomably idiotic choices like Dirk & Kawhi in his top 10 over Kareem, Wilt, Shaq, Magic etc.

[3ba11]

Well sadly, this cherry picked, hyper limited, arbitrary criteria won't change the fact LeBron will be considered a consensus top 2 player of all time when it's all said and done. But you can cling to this and repeat it a thousand more times if it helps you cope with this reality.


Lebron carried bed-wetting sidekicks over weaker competition

never top 5 SRS opponents.....

in 20 years!!!!

There's never been a bigger sample size offered in the history of ISH - 20 years - a player's entire career!!!... aka the biggest sample size possible... :coleman:

The reason Lebron can't have carry-jobs, aka the reason he can't carry bed-wetting sidekicks over good teams (top 5 SRS) or defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load in Finals) is because his jumpshooting skill, efficiency and brand of ball is insufficient at carry-job volumes to beat top teams... Accordingly, all-time scorers are needed at sidekick to prevent an overly-ball-centric effort by Lebron.

Obviously, it's easier for GM's to build a team with cheap defenders, but this requires a 1st option that can carry the scoring load like Curry or MJ (expert jumpshooters that maintain brand of ball at carry-job volumes).. Lebron is the opposite where he requires all-time scoring help, aka expensive, star scoring help (a GM's nightmare).

[ShawkFactory]

That's why I've always found it laughable when people actually try to rep 3ball as being a great poster. His arguments are so easy to rip to shreds due to his laughable inconsistencies and double standards. Once you call him out on one of them, he just moves the goalposts to something else.

He actually thinks this ridiculously specific and frankly meaningless criteria, the "top 5 SRS Finals scoring maximum defensive attention bed wetting teammates", whatever jumbled nonsense he copy and pastes :lol, is a legitimate criteria, not to mention apparently the only criteria, to evaluate players which is why he has unfathomably idiotic choices like Dirk & Kawhi in his top 10 over Kareem, Wilt, Shaq, Magic etc.

I sometimes feel that this is intentional. Gotta get them replies.

[3ba11]

I sometimes feel that this is intentional. Gotta get them replies.


If Lebron is so great, why isn't 20 years long enough for him to carry bed-wetting sidekicks over good opponents (top 5 SRS)?

Why isn't 10 Finals enough to win 1 while defeating maximum defensive attention (carrying scoring load in Finals)??

Again, the reason Lebron can't have carry-jobs, aka the reason he can't carry bed-wetting sidekicks over good teams or defeat maximum defensive attention is because his jumpshooting skill, efficiency and brand of ball is insufficient at carry-job volumes to beat top teams... Accordingly, all-time scorers are needed at sidekick to prevent an overly-ball-centric effort by Lebron.

Obviously, it's easier for GM's to build a team with cheap defenders, but this requires a 1st option that can carry the scoring load like Curry or MJ (expert jumpshooters that maintain brand of ball at carry-job volumes).. Lebron is the opposite where he requires all-time scoring help, aka expensive, star scoring help (a GM's nightmare).

[3ba11]

I watched the 4th quarter back about a year or so ago..dude didn’t “carry” anything. Detroit was doubling the shit out of Lebron, left him open, and he got hot and hit the open shots. Good on him for doing that because it was what was needed but he did nothing but spot up.

Cleveland was leading going into the 4th where Gibson went off and they held Detroit to 16 points in the quarter, led entirely by Lebron.


* Jordan never had a teammate carry him to the Finals like Boobie did Lebron in Game 6

* Jordan never needed all-time scorers or elite producers at sidekick and could win with secondary producers like Wiggins or Pippen

* Jordan never had teammates match or exceed his scoring for a series or playoff runs like Lebron has dozens of times.. Lebron never defeated maximum defensive attention (never carried scoring load in Finals) and he never carried bed-wetting teammates over top 5 SRS team.

[ShawkFactory]

* Jordan never had a teammate carry him to the Finals like Boobie did Lebron in Game 6


I watched the 4th quarter back about a year or so ago..dude didn’t “carry” anything. Detroit was doubling the shit out of Lebron, left him open, and he got hot and hit the open shots. Good on him for doing that because it was what was needed but he did nothing but spot up.

Cleveland was leading going into the 4th where Gibson went off and they held Detroit to 16 points in the quarter, led entirely by Lebron.

Copy/paste

[3ba11]

I watched the 4th quarter back about a year or so ago..dude didn’t “carry” anything. Detroit was doubling the shit out of Lebron, left him open, and he got hot and hit the open shots. Good on him for doing that because it was what was needed but he did nothing but spot up.

Cleveland was leading going into the 4th where Gibson went off and they held Detroit to 16 points in the quarter, led entirely by Lebron.

Copy/paste


Jordan never had anyone hit all the big shots down the stretch to win any series or outscored him

So again, Lebron has a rudimentary, ball-centric skillset that uses his teammates as bailout options instead of being the bailout guy himself (expert jumpshooter, aka off-ball possession closer)..

Being the off-ball bailout guy facilitates ball movement and allows sufficient brand at carry-job volumes to beat good teams.. aka expert jumpshooters can have carry-jobs and therefore win with less help

Otoh, Lebron's ball-dominance isn't a sufficient brand at carry-job volumes, so he needs all-time scorers at sidekick to beat Finals teams or carry bed-wetting sidekicks over good teams

[3ba11]

Jordan never had anyone hit all the big shots down the stretch to win any series or outscored him

So again, Lebron has a rudimentary, ball-centric skillset that uses his teammates as bailout options instead of being the bailout guy himself (expert jumpshooter, aka off-ball possession closer)..

Being the off-ball bailout guy facilitates ball movement and allows sufficient brand at carry-job volumes to beat good teams.. aka expert jumpshooters can have carry-jobs and therefore win with less help

Otoh, Lebron's ball-dominance isn't a sufficient brand at carry-job volumes, so he needs all-time scorers at sidekick to beat Finals teams or carry bed-wetting sidekicks over good teams


A non-copy paste response that directly counters Shawk's point that Boobie didn't bail him out - he literally did and was in the "bailout" role

[ShawkFactory]

Got it. Getting constantly double-teamed and passing to open players is bad.

You win.

[3ba11]

Got it. Getting constantly double-teamed and passing to open players is bad.

You win.


Jordan was double-teamed too, but he never had the luxury of teammates dominating and bailing him out with all the big shots

So Lebron doesn't compare to Jordan because Jordan won with much less by dominating much more

Jordan beat the best teams in the league with garbage from sidekicks - Lebron never did.

Jordan won with secondary producers that made him defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load in Finals), while Lebron relaxed as teammates dominated the Finals

[ShawkFactory]

Boobie Gibson. What a luxury.

[3ba11]

Boobie Gibson. What a luxury.


That's all Lebron needed against a bum team like the Pistons

Lebron himself only needed 25 ppg, while MJ averaged 40-45 against similar teams in the 89' and 90' Playoffs (Barkley's Sixers or Ewing's Knicks or the #1 SRS Cavs) - these were real carry-jobs

[ShawkFactory]

That's all Lebron needed against a bum team like the Pistons

Lebron himself only needed 25 ppg, while MJ averaged 40-45 against similar teams in the 89' and 90' Playoffs (Barkley's Sixers or Ewing's Knicks or the #1 SRS Cavs) - these were real carry-jobs

Aaaaaand now we move the goalposts :lol

[3ba11]

Aaaaaand now we move the goalposts :lol


Carry-jobs over good teams has always been the criteria, aka top 5 SRS - Lebron never beat a top 5 SRS opponent with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick

He can only beat weak teams in carry-job fashion (non-top 5) and it still requires Boobie to be the hero in the closeout

[GrayGoat]

Honestly I’d take boobie gibson over Pippen

[ShawkFactory]

Carry-jobs over good teams has always been the criteria, aka top 5 SRS - Lebron never beat a top 5 SRS opponent with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick

He can only beat weak teams in carry-job fashion (non-top 5) and it still requires Boobie to be the hero in the closeout

Convenient for you that the Pistons were 6th :lol

[3ba11]

Convenient for you that the Pistons were 6th :lol


They were 6th because they lost Ben Wallace and weren't championship caliber

Otoh, the 2009 Magic were #4 SRS and Lebron's ball-dominance played right into their hands - he couldn't maintain sufficient brand at carry-job volumes to beat a good team.

So he lost with a veteran #3 defense and 18 on 38% from Mo... Jordan never lost with that

[Axe]

2007 boobie gibson > 2007 kobe