ISH Racists, Conservative White Men Have Proven My Point..........

[Knoe Itawl]

So I've posted a few times over the past few months about how American lower class white males (and females) are dying at rates higher than any other group in the industrialized world. These high rates are from a mixture of murder, suicide, drug overdoses and slow suicide (terrible diets).

My point in bringing up these things is because racist whites have a lot more to worry about in their own house before they get to minorities. Racists like Azzscrotum, U2KKK and others love to post inflammatory things about blacks and other minorities such as inner city crime statistics, etc. while taking absolutely ZERO look at what's going on among a large part of white society. They follow the simple code of the racist:

Anything negative done by a white person is indicative of that individual only, and has no bearing on the entire race. Anything negative done by a black, or other minority is a DIRECT REPRESENTATION of that group.

They will stick with this mantra, regardless of how much it falls apart under scrutiny.

My point has always been that the wealthy white elite has exploited uneducated, working class whites in order to pick their pockets, while they blamed all of their ills on "Blacks on welfare, Mexican immigrants and Muslim terrorists" And that these elite don't like poor whites any more than they do poor minorities (apart from the fact that they're easier to manipulate into voting against their own self interests).

Well, here's proof from the horses mouth about how they feel about their fellow whites:

From an article in the prominent conservative publication the National Review, by Kevin Wiliamson:


A white American underclass........a vicious, selfish culture whose main products are misery and used heroin needles.... The truth about these dysfunctional, downscale communities is that they deserve to die. Morally, they are indefensible.

His colleague, David French:


If they couldn't find a job in a few days - or perhaps as little as a few hours, they'd stop looking. If they got angry at teachers or coaches, they'd drop out of school. If they fought with their wife, they'd have sex with their neighbor. And always, always there was a sense of entitlement.

It's plain as day. While racists complain about the blacks, and whoever else, the white underclass is dying at alarming rates. Mainly due to policies put in place by WHITE MALES. Instead of saying "hmm, it's really about class as opposed to race" and uniting behind that, they will continue to sow the seeds of their own destruction by holding on to their ignorant beliefs until the end.

Well, keep complaining about the "thugs" and "beaners", etc. while these white communities continue to suffer, and die for reasons that have nothing to do with minorities.

[Dresta]

wow, another mindless and embittered rant by OP about race, racists and racism :sleeping .

I refer you back to this post:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12380890&postcount=77


Get some help, seriously.



edit: lol, now you're quoting neocon writers and pseudoconservatives (who are really just free-market fanatics, with some jingoistic militarism sprinkled in) for what reasons exactly? Since when have they ever said anything valid? You do know that the whole Donald Trump emergence has been a backlash against the contemptuous sneerers at crappy and ideologically fanatical publications like the National Review? That they are fed up with being told to support the policies that make them an underclass, and have consequently broken with the establishment? So why are you making this about race? Just because Donald Trump had some unkind words to say about illegal immigrants? (when mass migration is one of the things creating an underclass, ****s over the poor the worst, and helps to kill those local communities that scumbags like Kevin Williamson want to destroy).

double edit: the contempt heaped upon Donald Trump supporters is very much more a class thing than a race thing as well (they are "dumb, poor, useless and ignorant whites" and thus no-one should care about their problems, a la Kevin Williamson). Most of the vitriolic hatred of Trump supporters, again, comes from the college educated middle classes. I don't think we've seen such blatant class-based elitism in years.

[UK2K]

We get it.

Black on black homicides have skyrocketed in the inner cities over the past year, and it's the white man's fault.

As an aside, I still don't care if people OD on illegal narcotics, regardless of race. How that makes me racist is still a mystery to me.

Good chat.

[longtime lurker]

You need to give it a rest. What makes you think you can get through to the ISH racists? Save your time, these guys have already lost in life spouting racist garbage on a messageboard

[nathanjizzle]

white guys like 9er, uk2k and poido who all have alittle chub to them, are all inferior so they use racism as a crutch to sooth their mediocrity.

[Knoe Itawl]

wow, another mindless and embittered rant by OP about race, racists and racism :sleeping .

I refer you back to this post:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12380890&postcount=77


Get some help, seriously.



edit: lol, now you're quoting neocon writers and pseudoconservatives (who are really just free-market fanatics, with some jingoistic militarism sprinkled in) for what reasons exactly? Since when have they ever said anything valid? You do know that the whole Donald Trump emergence has been a backlash against the contemptuous sneerers at crappy and ideologically fanatical publications like the National Review? That they are fed up with being told to support the policies that make them an underclass, and have consequently broken with the establishment? So why are you making this about race? Just because Donald Trump had some unkind words to say about illegal immigrants? (when mass migration is one of the things creating an underclass, ****s over the poor the worst, and helps to kill those local communities that scumbags like Kevin Williamson want to destroy).

Blah blah blah. You add about as much to the conversation as someone like Nick. You just dress it up with a pseudo intellectualism. It's right there in front of you, if you care to look at it but instead you'll dismiss anything that contradicts your worldview. These guys have flat out stated they don't give a shyt about lower class whites and that they should "die out" as they are already doing in greatly disproportionate numbers to other groups. THIS SIMPLY SHOULD NOT BE HAPPENING IN THE RICHEST COUNTRY IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD. And it wouldn't be, if white elites weren't so damned greedy and myopic.

So go on with your 5 paragraphs screeds adding nothing to the conversation. Pretending as if that will somehow change what's going on right in front of your eyes.

[NumberSix]

Anything negative done by a white person is indicative of that individual only, and has no bearing on the entire race. Anything negative done by a black, or other minority is a DIRECT REPRESENTATION of that group.
Who even thinks that? :wtf:

[Knoe Itawl]

We get it.

Black on black homicides have skyrocketed in the inner cities over the past year, and it's the white man's fault.

As an aside, I still don't care if people OD on illegal narcotics, regardless of race. How that makes me racist is still a mystery to me.

Good chat.

God, you're an idiot. Seriously. You have no ability to utilize critical thinking skills, process information that contradicts your worldview or draw conclusions based on that. You're the perfect tool. You don't care about history, or how it affects the present. You don't care about anything except your very small minded worldview of inconsistencies, hypocrisy and foolishness.

I post these threads every once in a while, not because I think I can change the mind of an obvious moron such as yourself, but because it amuses me to see people such as yourself flail away and offer no intelligent rebuttal. You're so sure about how blacks are inferior yet you just can't articulate it aside from "duh, crime rates have skyrocketted. duh, I'm a Foxbot, I just repeat things no matter how nonsensical. I'm superior to those blacks. Duh. Oh, and I'm on a message board for a sport dominated by blacks making me even more pathetic. Duh"

What a fool

[Akrazotile]

OP genuinely has psychological issues.

:(


We here for you OP. We want you to get better.

[Dresta]

Blah blah blah. You add about as much to the conversation as someone like Nick. You just dress it up with a pseudo intellectualism. It's right there in front of you, if you care to look at it but instead you'll dismiss anything that contradicts your worldview. These guys have flat out stated they don't give a shyt about lower class whites and that they should "die out" as they are already doing in greatly disproportionate numbers to other groups. THIS SIMPLY SHOULD NOT BE HAPPENING IN THE RICHEST COUNTRY IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD. And it wouldn't be, if white elites weren't so damned greedy and myopic.

So go on with your 5 paragraphs screeds adding nothing to the conversation. Pretending as if that will somehow change what's going on right in front of your eyes.
No, you are the one with the dogmatic worldview, which is why you keep repetitively expounding a completely illogical and incoherent argument about some vague group of "white racists" like this explains everything in the world.

You've yet really to make a coherent point. You call white conservatives racist, and say they are being exploited by other white conservatives, but then, when the first white conservatives reject the latter, and hitch themselves to the only available alternative, and someone who actually pays some attention to their problems and concerns, you also just call them racist (because they don't like mass immigration, which is what creates the very underclass you are whining about).

You're one big bundle of contradictions, so no wonder you keep repeating that one certainty of yours: that stupid white racists are killing themselves by doing things that they've clearly ceased to do (i.e. support the Republican establishment). You're about 10 years too late with that shit. Working class whites have largely rejected the likes of the National Review, because, you know, those people don't represent their interests in any way, shape, or form; so why exactly do you think National Review writers saying stuff proves anything?

edit: I should also mention that the "conservative movement" split a long time ago. People like Russell Kirk were marginalised for questioning foreign interventionism and the general aggressiveness with which the "conservative establishment" viewed Gorbachev, and his proposed reforms. This has happened even more so since then, and you will find conservatives of the old tradition (one which resonates with the people, but was ditched by the political establishment because it is fundamentally anti-war and not driven by free-market fanaticism--i.e. not profitable) at publications like the American Conservative. Try finding someone making Williamson's arguments on there.

[Knoe Itawl]

OP genuinely has psychological issues.

:(


We here for you OP. We want you to get better.


Wait, I have issues but you're the racist hip hop lover who hangs out on a board for a sport dominated by blacks? Unfortunately there is no cure for someone like yourself without the sort of internal introspection you're incapable of.

:(

[Knoe Itawl]

No, you are the one with the dogmatic worldview, which is why you keep repetitively expounding a completely illogical and incoherent argument about some vague group of "white racists" like this explains everything in the world.

You've yet really to make a coherent point. You call white conservatives racist, and say they are being exploited by other white conservatives, but then, when the first white conservatives reject the latter, and hitch themselves to the only available alternative, and someone who actually pays some attention to their problems and concerns, you also just call them racist (because they don't like mass immigration, which is what creates the very underclass you are whining about).

You're one big bundle of contradictions, so no wonder you keep repeating that one certainty of yours: that stupid white racists are killing themselves by doing things that they've clearly ceased to do (i.e. support the Republican establishment). You're about 10 years too late with that shit. Working class whites have largely rejected the likes of the National Review, because, you know, those people don't represent their interests in any way, shape, or form; so why exactly do you think National Review writers saying stuff proves anything?

edit: I should also mention that the "conservative movement" split a long time ago. People like Russell Kirk were marginalised for questioning foreign interventionism and the general aggressiveness with which the "conservative establishment" viewed Gorbachev, and his proposed reforms. This has happened even more so since then, and you will find conservatives of the old tradition (one which resonates with the people, but was ditched by the political establishment because it is fundamentally anti-war and not driven by free-market fanaticism--i.e. not profitable) at publications like the American Conservative. Try finding someone making Williamson's arguments on there.

Oh, it's pretty simple you just don't like it because it contradicts your worldview.

But your average white racist yells from the rooftop about those damn blacks murdering, and a stealing from welfare and just generally being lazy, good for nothing animals. Yet, they will never turn that lens onto their OWN culture and what's going on in it - namely (again because you're so thick skulled) whites of a certain group are dying out in highly disproportionate numbers to ANY OTHER GROUP IN THE INDUSTRIALIZED world. So your average white racist assh*le has to worry about dying from suicide, poor diet, homicide or drug overdose LONG BEFORE they get to the random black gangster. Not to mention just the misery of their poor quality of life. However, do they think like that? Nope. It makes them feel sooooo good to feel superior to those blacks. Meanwhile, I posit that it's the greed and myopia of modern "Ultra Capitalism" (here's where you accuse me of being a commie Marxist, etc. etc.) as opposed to these groups that have been demonized by conservatives all these years while they adopted polices that have hastened these circumstances for these people. I believe this country has more than enough resources to take care of ALL OF IT'S CITIZENS if it truly wanted to. It doesn't, so separations need to be created. And that's how you end up with people like U2KKK, Azzscrotum, etc. They are necessary idiots.

You will, of course, disagree vehemently. But that's the way it is.

[UK2K]

God, you're an idiot. Seriously. You have no ability to utilize critical thinking skills, process information that contradicts your worldview or draw conclusions based on that. You're the perfect tool. You don't care about history, or how it affects the present. You don't care about anything except your very small minded worldview of inconsistencies, hypocrisy and foolishness.

I post these threads every once in a while, not because I think I can change the mind of an obvious moron such as yourself, but because it amuses me to see people such as yourself flail away and offer no intelligent rebuttal. You're so sure about how blacks are inferior yet you just can't articulate it aside from "duh, crime rates have skyrocketted. duh, I'm a Foxbot, I just repeat things no matter how nonsensical. I'm superior to those blacks. Duh. Oh, and I'm on a message board for a sport dominated by blacks making me even more pathetic. Duh"

What a fool

I mean, you just keep telling me I should care about white people overdosing on heroin.

I don't know how many different ways I can say it... I don't care.

Also, I never said blacks are inferior. Find me a post where I said that. Stupid blacks are as stupid as stupid whites and stupid Hispanics. I don't know what else you want me to say? Lots of white people are lazy too? I agree with that. Ok, now what?

Keep making up shit I said, it's really cool and makes for good discussions.

Does it bother you homicides in the inner cities is out of control right now? If you don't care, just don't post in the threads. Simple solution.

[UK2K]

Wait, I have issues but you're the racist hip hop lover who hangs out on a board for a sport dominated by blacks? Unfortunately there is no cure for someone like yourself without the sort of internal introspection you're incapable of.

:(

To Dresta's point about contradicting yourself....

[Dresta]

Oh, it's pretty simple you just don't like it because it contradicts your worldview.

But your average white racist yells from the rooftop about those damn blacks murdering, and a stealing from welfare and just generally being lazy, good for nothing animals. Yet, they will never turn that lens onto their OWN culture and what's going on in it - namely (again because you're so thick skulled) whites of a certain group are dying out in highly disproportionate numbers to ANY OTHER GROUP IN THE INDUSTRIALIZED world. So your average white racist assh*le has to worry about dying from suicide, poor diet, homicide or drug overdose LONG BEFORE they get to the random black gangster. Not to mention just the misery of their poor quality of life. However, do they think like that? Nope. It makes them feel sooooo good to feel superior to those blacks. Meanwhile, I posit that it's the greed and myopia of modern "Ultra Capitalism" (here's where you accuse me of being a commie Marxist, etc. etc.) as opposed to these groups that have been demonized by conservatives all these years while they adopted polices that have hastened these circumstances for these people. I believe this country has more than enough resources to take care of ALL OF IT'S CITIZENS if it truly wanted to. It doesn't, so separations need to be created. And that's how you end up with people like U2KKK, Azzscrotum, etc. They are necessary idiots.

You will, of course, disagree vehemently. But that's the way it is.

What is that exactly? I don't know any "average white racists", and i didn't know it was any kind of objective category.

Again, everything is about race with you; it's damn pathological.

[Knoe Itawl]

I mean, you just keep telling me I should care about white people overdosing on heroin.

I don't know how many different ways I can say it... I don't care.

Also, I never said blacks are inferior. Find me a post where I said that. Stupid blacks are as stupid as stupid whites and stupid Hispanics. I don't know what else you want me to say? Lots of white people are lazy too? I agree with that. Ok, now what?

Keep making up shit I said, it's really cool and makes for good discussions.

Does it bother you homicides in the inner cities is out of control right now? If you don't care, just don't post in the threads. Simple solution.

But your average white racist yells from the rooftop about those damn blacks murdering, and a stealing from welfare and just generally being lazy, good for nothing animals. Yet, they will never turn that lens onto their OWN culture and what's going on in it - namely (again because you're so thick skulled) whites of a certain group are dying out in highly disproportionate numbers to ANY OTHER GROUP IN THE INDUSTRIALIZED world. So your average white racist assh*le has to worry about dying from suicide, poor diet, homicide or drug overdose LONG BEFORE they get to the random black gangster. Not to mention just the misery of their poor quality of life. However, do they think like that? Nope. It makes them feel sooooo good to feel superior to those blacks

[UK2K]

But your average white racist yells from the rooftop about those damn blacks murdering, and a stealing from welfare and just generally being lazy, good for nothing animals. Yet, they will never turn that lens onto their OWN culture and what's going on in it - namely (again because you're so thick skulled) whites of a certain group are dying out in highly disproportionate numbers to ANY OTHER GROUP IN THE INDUSTRIALIZED world. So your average white racist assh*le has to worry about dying from suicide, poor diet, homicide or drug overdose LONG BEFORE they get to the random black gangster. Not to mention just the misery of their poor quality of life. However, do they think like that? Nope. It makes them feel sooooo good to feel superior to those blacks

Yeah, a group I care nothing about.

Feel free to post threads talking about white crime or white welfare abusers. There are a lot. And I'll be right there to say '**** those people'.

So that makes me racist...how?

Also... why is everything you talk about related to white deaths? What does the crime rate have to do with white deaths? What does the illiteracy rate have to do with white deaths? What does the incarceration rate have to do with white deaths?

Why do you keep bringing up white deaths when I've said, over and over, I do not care for those people. White person ODs on heroin? The world is a better place without them. So what's your point?

[Akrazotile]

So your average white racist assh*le has to worry about dying from suicide, poor diet, homicide or drug overdose LONG BEFORE they get to the random black gangster. Not to mention just the misery of their poor quality of life. However, do they think like that? Nope. It makes them feel sooooo good to feel superior to those blacks

Except an individual can control things like suicide, diet, homicide, or DO.

Cant control having your home broken into and being tied up and beaten to death by a random black gangster.

If youre not suicidal, unhealthy, and drug dependent, you dont have to worry about the consequences of those things. However you do have to worry about crime statistics no matter how much of a healthy and good person you are. That's the difference.

Im sorry youre in such a broken state right now that youre in denial about this. I can see youre spiraling deep into mental instability and hopeless depression.

We wanna help you bro. We know somewhere deep down is the old Knoe ItAwl we all used to know and love. Dont push me away my dude. Hug me, dont reject me.

[Knoe Itawl]

What is that exactly? I don't know any "average white racists", and i didn't know it was any kind of objective category.

Again, everything is about race with you; it's damn pathological.

Oh come on

Just go to over to any Yahoo.com story where it involves a black criminal. Go to any Youtube video featuring rappers. Hell, I JUST posted a thread a couple of weeks back from the Fox website where they were calling Obama's daughter a monkey, etc. etc.

By the way, a former Nixon aid ADMITTED that the drug laws were purposely crafted to lock up more blacks


You want to know what this was really all about?” he asked with the bluntness of a man who, after public disgrace and a stretch in federal prison, had little left to protect. “The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.”


I could go on and on and on, but you know what you'd do? You'd dismiss it all, all me "pathologically obsessed with race"and move along nothing to see here. There's just no getting through to individuals such as yourself who have decided that race plays absolutely no factor in the make-up of the fabric of society.

From Lee Atwater's interview about the Republican Southern Strategy:


You start out in 1954 by saying, “N!gger, N!gger,, N!gger,.” By 1968 you can’t say N!gger,”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “N!gger,, N!gger,.”

But yeah, move along nothing to see here. I'm "pathological" etc. when these people ARE TELLING YOU IT'S ALL ABOUT RACE.

I mean, really. How in denial can someone get?

[Knoe Itawl]

Except an individual can control things like suicide, diet, homicide, or DO.

Cant control having your home broken into and being tied up and beaten to death by a random black gangster.

If youre not suicidal, unhealthy, and drug dependent, you dont have to worry about the consequences of those things. However you do have to worry about crime statistics no matter how much of a healthy and good person you are. That's the difference.

Im sorry youre in such a broken state right now that youre in denial about this. I can see youre spiraling deep into mental instability and hopeless depression.

We wanna help you bro. We know somewhere deep down is the old Knoe ItAwl we all used to know and love. Dont push me away my dude. Hug me, dont reject me.

Yet all of that doesn't change what I said. You're more likely to be murdered by another white, more likely to die of an overdose, more likely to commit suicide and die from unhealthy eating habits than be harmed by a black man. How do you like dem apples racist?

And sorry you care more about black crime than your own people that are dying at highly disproportionate numbers compared to the rest of the population. Sorry your so confused as to like hip hop and basketball, but hate the most prominent people in these two fields.

Funny thing about you is that guys like you are a dime a dozen. You'll "talk black" and love some Lebron and rock some Nas and then make n@#%$# jokes with your friends. Coward ass bytch.

[KiiiiNG]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbLZPUBOtJ8

[Dresta]

Oh come on

Just go to over to any Yahoo.com story where it involves a black criminal. Go to any Youtube video featuring rappers. Hell, I JUST posted a thread a couple of weeks back from the Fox website where they were calling Obama's daughter a monkey, etc. etc.

By the way, a former Nixon aid ADMITTED that the drug laws were purposely crafted to lock up more blacks




I could go on and on and on, but you know what you'd do? You'd dismiss it all, all me "pathologically obsessed with race"and move along nothing to see here. There's just no getting through to individuals such as yourself who have decided that race plays absolutely no factor in the make-up of the fabric of society.

From Lee Atwater's interview about the Republican Southern Strategy:



But yeah, move along nothing to see here. I'm "pathological" etc. when these people ARE TELLING YOU IT'S ALL ABOUT RACE.

I mean, really. How in denial can someone get?
You seem to be giving disproportionate focus to people that post on yahoo and youtube comments sections, which is rather strange.

Why are you talking about Nixon now? Most of the drug laws were based on bigotry of some sort, and not only just towards blacks (opium, the chinese, cannabis, Mexicans, coke, blacks, and so on); i've said this on here before, likely long before you'd even heard of it. Not many people are fans of Nixon these days, regardless, so I don't know why you'd bring him up. Woodrow Wilson was the most racist President of the 20th century btw, and he's a liberal hero.

You're a paranoiac as regards racism and racists, which is sad, because they evidently have far more power over you than you do over them.

[UK2K]

Oh come on

Just go to over to any Yahoo.com story where it involves a black criminal. Go to any Youtube video featuring rappers. Hell, I JUST posted a thread a couple of weeks back from the Fox website where they were calling Obama's daughter a monkey, etc. etc.

By the way, a former Nixon aid ADMITTED that the drug laws were purposely crafted to lock up more blacks




I could go on and on and on, but you know what you'd do? You'd dismiss it all, all me "pathologically obsessed with race"and move along nothing to see here. There's just no getting through to individuals such as yourself who have decided that race plays absolutely no factor in the make-up of the fabric of society.

From Lee Atwater's interview about the Republican Southern Strategy:



But yeah, move along nothing to see here. I'm "pathological" etc. when these people ARE TELLING YOU IT'S ALL ABOUT RACE.

I mean, really. How in denial can someone get?

Cool story:


"These Negroes, they're getting pretty uppity these days and that's a problem for us since they've got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we've got to do something about this, we've got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference... I'll have them ******s voting Democratic for the next two hundred years". -Lyndon B. Johnson

Look, I'm not sure what you are looking for with these threads. Maybe it's a 'feel better about yourself' type post or... I don't know. But I'll be the first to tell you I dislike dumbass people of any race.

But this isn't really my fault:

[QUOTE]Many of Chicago

[Knoe Itawl]

You seem to be giving disproportionate focus to people that post on yahoo and youtube comments sections, which is rather strange.

Why are you talking about Nixon now? Most of the drug laws were based on bigotry of some sort, and not only just towards blacks (opium, the chinese, cannabis, Mexicans, coke, blacks, and so on); i've said this on here before, likely long before you'd even heard of it. Not many people are fans of Nixon these days, regardless, so I don't know why you'd bring him up. Woodrow Wilson was the most racist President of the 20th century btw, and he's a liberal hero.

You're a paranoiac as regards racism and racists, which is sad, because they evidently have far more power over you than you do over them.

:oldlol: I just posted quotes from aids from the Republican party admitting that their strategies were all about holding black people back AT A FEDERAL LEVEL, and all you can is continue to obfuscate, deny and somehow put it all on ME being "pathological".

But it's as I knew with people like you. No matter what evidence is presented, you will continue to deny deny deny. Because the moment you admit ANYTHING, then that opens the door for more admissions, then more. Then more. Until your house of cards comes down. So nope, best to just keep denying even in the face of incontrovertible proof.

[Knoe Itawl]

You can't fix stupid. I will tell you now there is a distinct cultural difference between whites and blacks. If you find it, and analyze it, that'd answer a lot of your problems.

So your average white racist assh*le has to worry about dying from suicide, poor diet, homicide or drug overdose LONG BEFORE they get to the random black gangster. Not to mention just the misery of their poor quality of life. However, do they think like that? Nope. It makes them feel sooooo good to feel superior to those blacks

[Akrazotile]

Yet all of that doesn't change what I said. You're more likely to be murdered by another white,

That's because I live predominantly around other whites (and asians/latinos). You know why I live around other whites? Because if I DID live in black neighborhoods, Id be more likely to die in a homocide than any other cause! And that's the reason these communities stay so segregated and in disrepair. Because nobody else will be willing to live in them til they get cleaned up. But you dont wanna clean em up, you wanna sit around and point fingers and wring your hands bout racism. You wanna cry about the bad hand blacks got, belabor all the reasons, dole out the blame, procure guilt from others etc, instead of just shutting up and doing what's necessary NOW to fix the problem. Youd literally rather make whites feel guilty than help blacks. That's your problem. You need closure. You need to accept the past and worry bout the problems you 'claim' to give a shit about now. Your priorities are way out of wack.

[Knoe Itawl]

Cool story:


You can't fix stupid. I will tell you now there is a distinct cultural difference between whites and blacks. If you find it, and analyze it, that'd answer a lot of your problems.

[QUOTE]You start out in 1954 by saying,

[nathanjizzle]

Cool story:

-Lyndon B. Johnson

Look, I'm not sure what you are looking for with these threads. Maybe it's a 'feel better about yourself' type post or... I don't know. But I'll be the first to tell you I dislike dumbass people of any race.

But this isn't really my fault:



You can't fix stupid. I will tell you now there is a distinct cultural difference between whites and blacks. If you find it, and analyze it, that'd answer a lot of your problems.

your wife makes more money than you and is the reason you have a home. youre a pathetic bitch, you have no place to criticize anyone loser.

[UK2K]

Haha, he admitted the whole Republican strategy was to hold blacks back. What also resulted was that many whites were held back as well, leading to the stats I've often discussed on here.
Correct.


we've got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference... I'll have them ******s voting Democratic for the next two hundred years".
He called it. He got you all hooked.


But as long as U2KKK and Azzscrotum can point to homicide rates in Chicago, without looking into the history that got us here, they can feel smug and superior.

Even if, at the end of the day, they are morons. This is what the Southern Strategy was all about. Making racists feel superior to minorities.

How about... stop ****ing shooting each other? Seems simple.

You're the type of person to blame someone else for your failures, whereas I will blame myself and then look to improve. That's why some people succeed in life and others fail. Its a mentality thing.

[UK2K]

your wife makes more money than you and is the reason you have a home. youre a pathetic bitch, you have no place to criticize anyone loser.

Do you want to suck my dick? :lol

You seem really fond of me.

I get it, your life blows. That's not my fault. One day when you grow up, I hope you can enjoy it as much as I do.

[Dresta]

:oldlol: I just posted quotes from aids from the Republican party admitting that their strategies were all about holding black people back AT A FEDERAL LEVEL, and all you can is continue to obfuscate, deny and somehow put it all on ME being "pathological".

But it's as I knew with people like you. No matter what evidence is presented, you will continue to deny deny deny. Because the moment you admit ANYTHING, then that opens the door for more admissions, then more. Then more. Until your house of cards comes down. So nope, best to just keep denying even in the face of incontrovertible proof.
Incontrovertible proof of what? That Nixon was a racist? Thanks for telling me something everyone with a brain has known for a long time.

Yes, this behaviour of yours can only be described as pathological.

[Knoe Itawl]

That's because I live predominantly around other whites (and asians/latinos). You know why I live around other whites? Because if I DID live in black neighborhoods, Id be more likely to die in a homocide than any other cause! And that's the reason these communities stay so segregated and in disrepair. Because nobody else will be willing to live in them til they get cleaned up. But you dont wanna clean em up, you wanna sit around and point fingers and wring your hands bout racism. You wanna cry about the bad hand blacks got, belabor all the reasons, dole out the blame, procure guilt from others etc, instead of just shutting up and doing what's necessary NOW to fix the problem. Youd literally rather make whites feel guilty than help blacks. That's your problem. You need closure. You need to accept the past and worry bout the problems you 'claim' to give a shit about now. Your priorities are way out of wack.

You have no rebuttals, no intelligent replies, just more of the "I'm superior to those blacks while I bump Nas and d!ikkride Lebron" because you're a confused, cowardly bytch.

you've been so socialized to feel you're superior you just can't let go, even if it's taking large parts of your own down too. I mean, you feel superior to blacks while failing in your moms basement and getting smashed in the face by random Mexicans just because you happened to be born a certain pigment. Forget that your life is spiraling out of control, as long as you're not black!!. And im not even ridiculing you for that, because economically it can be hard out here. But it's just funny how this brainwashing occurs.

[Knoe Itawl]

Incontrovertible proof of what? That Nixon was a racist? Thanks for telling me something everyone with a brain has known for a long time.

Yes, this behaviour of yours can only be described as pathological.

And Lee Atwater? That was an interview from 1981 when he was working with the Ray Gun. Nah, move along nothing to see here.

But I don't suppose when you have a MAJOR POLITICAL PARTY that feels this way, it could maybe I don't know MAYBE have an affect on the lives of the minorities it hates? Maybe just a teensy eensy weensy little bit?

[UK2K]

And Lee Atwater? That was an interview from 1981 when he was working with the Ray Gun. Nah, move along nothing to see here.

But I don't suppose when you have a MAJOR POLITICAL PARTY that feels this way, it could maybe I don't know MAYBE have an affect on the lives of the minorities it hates? Maybe just a teensy eensy weensy little bit?
****ing racist political parties.


"we've got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference... I'll have them ******s voting Democratic for the next two hundred years".

[QUOTE]Byrd joined the Klan at the ripe young age of 24

[Akrazotile]

You have no rebuttals, no intelligent replies, just more of the "I'm superior to those blacks while I bump Nas and d!ikkride Lebron" because you're a confused, cowardly bytch.

you've been so socialized to feel you're superior you just can't let go, even if it's taking large parts of your own down too. I mean, you feel superior to blacks while failing in your moms basement and getting smashed in the face by random Mexicans just because you happened to be born a certain pigment. Forget that your life is spiraling out of control, as long as you're not black!!. And im not even ridiculing you for that, because economically it can be hard out here. But it's just funny how this brainwashing occurs.



Tsk tsk tsk.

Im genuinely sorry youve gone full nutzo and are having these psychological issues.

Im not gonna keep goin back n forth with you bc I honestly feel this is not healthy for you. But I hope you can work through your issues and find happiness.


Pullin for you, brother :cheers:

[Knoe Itawl]

****ing racist political parties.







Wait, which one did you mean?

Fukk em' both. However, the Republican party (post Civil Rights movement) has been far more malicious when it comes to racial hatred. However, as mentioned it's also affected large swaths of whites which is why if you're white you're more likely to die by suicide homicide by another white,drug overdose or health reasons than be killed by a black man.

This is directly due to the fact that white men made the policies that have put these communities in such dire straits

But hey, as long as you can quote crime statistics in the inner cities, it's all good right? At least you're not black right?

Dummy.

[Knoe Itawl]

Tsk tsk tsk.

Im genuinely sorry youve gone full nutzo and are having these psychological issues.

Im not gonna keep goin back n forth with you bc I honestly feel this is not healthy for you. But I hope you can work through your issues and find happiness.


Pullin for you, brother :cheers:

Pullin for you to get out of your mom's basement, kick stat that acting career and stop thinking that somehow your pigment, as opposed to your actions, makes you superior to anyone.

Pullin for you bro.

:cheers:

[Dresta]

And Lee Atwater? That was an interview from 1981 when he was working with the Ray Gun. Nah, move along nothing to see here.

But I don't suppose when you have a MAJOR POLITICAL PARTY that feels this way, it could maybe I don't know MAYBE have an affect on the lives of the minorities it hates? Maybe just a teensy eensy weensy little bit?
Oh right, you mean the interview where he also said this (which you conveniently omitted):


Atwater: But Reagan did not have to do a southern strategy for two reasons. Number one, race was not a dominant issue. And number two, the mainstream issues in this campaign had been, quote, southern issues since way back in the sixties. So Reagan goes out and campaigns on the issues of economics and of national defense. The whole campaign was devoid of any kind of racism, any kind of reference. And I'll tell you another thing you all need to think about, that even surprised me, is the lack of interest, really, the lack of knowledge right now in the South among white voters about the Voting Rights Act."

hmmmm.....

You aren't obsessed? Ooooookk.

And Reagan may have campaigned on it, but there was nothing fiscally conservative about his policy. Putting blind faith in the great edifice of finance is not conservative, not even close.

[UK2K]

Fukk em' both. However, the Republican party (post Civil Rights movement) has been far more malicious when it comes to racial hatred. However, as mentioned it's also affected large swaths of whites which is why if you're white you're more likely to die by suicide homicide by another white,drug overdose or health reasons than be killed by a black man.

This is directly due to the fact that white men made the policies that have put these communities in such dire straits

But hey, as long as you can quote crime statistics in the inner cities, it's all good right? At least you're not black right?

Dummy.

I think its more because whites don't live near blacks, and because fast food is just so good.

[97 bulls]

I think what Know is saying is that most whites blame problems on the wrong groups of people. The rich elite are using all of us. And they're intentionally making the average white individual feel that minorities are their enemy. It's a form of control. When Mitt Romney can say that say that middle class in his mind is a person making $200,000 a year, there's something wrong. When Donald Trump can say that his father gave him a "modest" loan of $1,000,000 dollars, he's out of touch. He's not gonna have the best interest of the avg man at heart. When a company can close down a business, take it overseas and get plenty of support, there's something wrong here. I mean who are they laying off? Not blacks or other minorities.

It's no different than back in the slave days. A small number of white (rich white)men owned saleves. And they owned them because they were cheap labor. Who's jobs were these slaves taking ????? WHITES!!!!!

How are you guys not seeing this????

[longtime lurker]

I think what Know is saying is that most whites blame problems on the wrong groups of people. The rich elite are using all of us. And they're intentionally making the average white individual feel that minorities are their enemy. It's a form of control. When Mitt Romney can say that say that middle class in his mind is a person making $200,000 a year, there's something wrong. When Donald Trump can say that his father gave him a "modest" loan of $1,000,000 dollars, he's out of touch. He's not gonna have the best interest of the avg man at heart. When a company can close down a business, take it overseas and get plenty of support, there's something wrong here. I mean who are they laying off? Not blacks or other minorities.

It's no different than back in the slave days. A small number of white (rich white)men owned saleves. And they owned them because they were cheap labor. Who's jobs were these slaves taking ????? WHITES!!!!!

How are you guys not seeing this????

Of course they know this but they'd never admit it. They'd rather come online and spew bullsh!t about minorities because it distracts from how mediocre their lives are. Akrazotile is a talentless college drop out that has zero social skills. UK2K is a security guard that makes 40000 a year and somehow thinks he's made it. Drestra is a jobless clown that mooches off of his girlfriend. They need someone to feel superior to because the truth is that they're nobodies in life.

[LikeABosh]

TL;DR: :cry: conservative white men are racist meanies therefore I discredit them and any argument they may make.
Just stop with the pretense libtard.

[UK2K]

I think what Know is saying is that most whites blame problems on the wrong groups of people. The rich elite are using all of us. And they're intentionally making the average white individual feel that minorities are their enemy. It's a form of control. When Mitt Romney can say that say that middle class in his mind is a person making $200,000 a year, there's something wrong. When Donald Trump can say that his father gave him a "modest" loan of $1,000,000 dollars, he's out of touch. He's not gonna have the best interest of the avg man at heart. When a company can close down a business, take it overseas and get plenty of support, there's something wrong here. I mean who are they laying off? Not blacks or other minorities.

It's no different than back in the slave days. A small number of white (rich white)men owned saleves. And they owned them because they were cheap labor. Who's jobs were these slaves taking ????? WHITES!!!!!

How are you guys not seeing this????
When Obama rents a $7 million dollar mansion in the richest neighborhood in DC to live in until his daughter graduates high school....

Out of touch is right.

Community organizers make how much? Cause I know he didn't get that on his salary.

And you all believed he'd erase income equality like people believed his administration would be transparent and you can keep your doctor.

[UK2K]

TL;DR: :cry: conservative white men are racist meanies therefore I discredit them and any argument they may make.
Just stop with the pretense libtard.
It's the victim mentality. They're taught at a young age that someone owes them something.

There are people in this country who blame others, and there are people who blame themselves. For every mistake in my life, it was my fault. Even if it wasn't my fault, it was still my fault. You take that, and learn from it.

Some refuse to admit responsibility so they'll never learn.

[poido123]

OP was overlooked for a job which had a white guy picked in front of him.


Ever since then, he never got over it :lol

[poido123]

It's the victim mentality. They're taught at a young age that someone owes them something.

There are people in this country who blame others, and there are people who blame themselves. For every mistake in my life, it was my fault. Even if it wasn't my fault, it was still my fault. You take that, and learn from it.

Some refuse to admit responsibility so they'll never learn.



Yep, and it's like a cancer. The lefties are now brainwashed by it, white people are so confused that they are blaming themselves for something they weren't alive for.

The white guilt movement is strong and it needs to stop.

[97 bulls]

When Obama rents a $7 million dollar mansion in the richest neighborhood in DC to live in until his daughter graduates high school....

Out of touch is right.

Community organizers make how much? Cause I know he didn't get that on his salary.

And you all believed he'd erase income equality like people believed his administration would be transparent and you can keep your doctor.
But the difference is, a lot of people that voted and supported him have realized that he hasn't helped and have backed off from supporting him.

Please explain how and why it makes sense to protect and defend individuals that not only DON'T have your best interest at heart, but will gladly step over you for a dollar. Again. When companies shut down and move thus laying individuals off, who does that hurt? And mind you, they're doing it to stay solvent, they're doing it to make more money.

Again, the issue is blindly defending those that don't have or care about what your interest are, and are turning us against each other. Or diverting the true problems in our society.

[97 bulls]

Yep, and it's like a cancer. The lefties are now brainwashed by it, white people are so confused that they are blaming themselves for something they weren't alive for.

The white guilt movement is strong and it needs to stop.
You may not have been alive for it, but you are the biggest benefactor from slavery.

[Smoke117]

Am I the only one that thinks racism is hilarious? There are much better reasons to hate someone. In the end, hate just takes too much energy...I dunno how those hateful people do it.

[NumberSix]

But the difference is, a lot of people that voted and supported him have realized that he hasn't helped and have backed off from supporting him.

Please explain how and why it makes sense to protect and defend individuals that not only DON'T have your best interest at heart, but will gladly step over you for a dollar. Again. When companies shut down and move thus laying individuals off, who does that hurt? And mind you, they're doing it to stay solvent, they're doing it to make more money.

Again, the issue is blindly defending those that don't have or care about what your interest are, and are turning us against each other. Or diverting the true problems in our society.
So, then don't you think it would be best to vote for people who will just leave you alone and make the least amount of laws that affect your life?

I agree, people in power can't be trusted. They'll simply make laws that are to their own personal benefit or to the benefit of people who have done favors for them. That being the case, shouldn't we want politicians that will just stay out of our business? Just let us live our own lives and not interfere?

[NumberSix]

You may not have been alive for it, but you are the biggest benefactor from slavery.
So which is it? You correctly stated that slavery was actually bad for white people. It kept them jobless and poor.

Slavery benefitted only a few people. Slave traders and the few plantation owners who did well enough to pay off their debts to the slave traders (slaves weren't cheap) and other expenses then have enough profit to save.

If slavery in fact kept both black people and white people poor, how exactly are white people now huge beneficiaries of it?

[97 bulls]

So which is it? You correctly stated that slavery was actually bad for white people. It kept them jobless and poor.

Slavery benefitted only a few people. Slave traders and the few plantation owners who did well enough to pay off their debts to the slave traders (slaves weren't cheap) and other expenses then have enough profit to save.

If slavery in fact kept both black people and white people poor, how exactly are white people now huge beneficiaries of it?
Because like today, they employed white people to police the black slaves. So they had a leg up so to speak. You really think one man could manage a couple hundred slaves by himself?

[Smoke117]

Because like today, they employed white people to police the black slaves. So they had a leg up so to speak. You really think one man could manage a couple hundred slaves by himself?

One WHITE man? Absolutely.

[97 bulls]

One WHITE man? Absolutely.
Absolutely NOT. And they didnt

[Dresta]

Because like today, they employed white people to police the black slaves. So they had a leg up so to speak. You really think one man could manage a couple hundred slaves by himself?
The answer to that is yes: John Randolph did it plenty, and he was an invalid. What's more, his slaves saw him as their patron and protector, and he slept with no security, with his small log-cabin door left wide open. He took no precautions for his safety, nor to prevent runaways, and yet his slaves remained obedient and devoted to him--with good reason. This is what happened to them after his death:

http://hubpages.com/politics/Born-A-Slave-Died-Free-Freed-Randolph-Slaves-Journey-From-Virginia-to-Ohio

And that's the same reason why he didn't free his slaves until his death (they would be turned loose into a world that despised them with no protection from abuse and injustice); and he tried to lessen this by buying them land and resources in a northern state. Their hardship would have been even greater if Randolph had not spent significant amounts of time educating them and training them in various crafts (they could all read and write). As strange as it may seem, he viewed his slaves with great affection, and they reciprocated it; after he died, one of his slaves stayed behind, of his own account, to manage and care for his former owner's property; an unusual sight in Virginia of that time! And we forget how different the times were: beatings were commonplace, and the punishments often much worse on sea vessels, where the ship-captain was invested with absolute power; and this was a time when hunger, starvation, and early death, were real things to contend with. You get an idea of his position from this letter, written during the struggles (and potential famine looming) of the war of 1812:


with a family of more than two hundred mouths looking up to me for food, I feel an awful charge on my hands. It is easy to rid myself of the burthern if I could shut my heart to the cry of humanity and the voice of duty. But in these poor slaves I have found my best and most faithful freinds; and I feel that it would be more difficult to abandon them to the cruel fate to which our laws would consign them, than to suffer among them

As I often say: things in history are almost never black and white. Blaming slaveowners for everything is foolish considering the United States was set up with the right to own human property maintained by the Constitution--and the Constitution could never have been enacted without such a provision (and was barely ratified as it was). Effectively, the compromising acceptance of slavery is the only reason the United States exist as a country at all. Too many Americans are desperate to deny their past, and to pretend the bad things about it are someone else's fault (e.g. the "slave power" paranoia) to help externalise their disgust ("on the racists dammit, everything is their fault!!"). The South never in this period was the ascendent power: the North was, in both resources and manpower; and it's not like the North didn't use the South to its own benefit, through the use of tariffs, land grants, &c. There is a long history of New England businessmen robbing southerners of their land through double dealing and duplicity, dating all the way back to the Yazoo land scandal.

[Dresta]

The "Slave Power" conspiracy was also, a bit of convenient political hysteria, and little different to southern portrayals of the North as a country of fanatical John Browns, determined to heap fire and terror upon their necks. It was one-sided northern propaganda, and because of the outcome of the war, it has been adopted in mainstream historical understanding, despite any evidence for it being scanty (and i've spent a lot of time looking at primary sources from this period); the truth is that neither side had a very good understanding of the other, and each tended to portray the other in a threatening and sinister caricature--hence the inevitability of war. Only a political romantic could think this war was about slavery rather than power (with slavery only helping to solidify the dividing line between divergent power-blocks), so of course Americans, fed on a diet of "progress" and "justice" from birth, would see it in such a convenient light.

edit: and oh, regarding your post about rich elites manipulating people against one another, well, you are kind of right. But during the time of slavery, the rich elites of the North, and those of the South, were fundamentally at odds in their competition over land (i.e. the new territories), and in truth, it was these elites that drove the nation to war, and got the masses to fight the war for them (on pain of death or imprisonment for desertion). It was a war fought by the poor for the rich land-agitators that had created it; this is encapsulated by the fact that rich people (especially in the North) could avoid service, while the poor could not. It was wealthy New Englanders (and New Yorkers) that funded and supplied the anti-slavery crusade, sometimes for good intentions, but often just as a way to make money and to gain prestige (see how many of them ended up in Congress, for example), and it was the wealthy slaveowners that these people most-detested and competed against. So yeah, the rich of America weren't even remotely unified during this time.

[Dresta]

Of course they know this but they'd never admit it. They'd rather come online and spew bullsh!t about minorities because it distracts from how mediocre their lives are. Akrazotile is a talentless college drop out that has zero social skills. UK2K is a security guard that makes 40000 a year and somehow thinks he's made it. Drestra is a jobless clown that mooches off of his girlfriend. They need someone to feel superior to because the truth is that they're nobodies in life.
:biggums:

Errr... where did you get that one from exactly? Oh right, you made it up, like every other bit of nonsense you post on this site. Half-funding someone's postgraduate degree is "mooching" is it? Weird...

I will have my period of mooching when she pays me back by getting a high-paid job with maternity leave and all the concomitant female benefits :oldlol: .

And please, don't try to associate yourself with bulls97, as if you and he are similar, and as if I don't agree with 90% of the post you just quoted: you are a mindless fanatic, and he is an intelligent poster, who thinks for himself, and has many things to say with which I agree (contrary to your idiotic attestation), and with whom one can actually have a proper debate without descending into childish name calling and slander.

Are you a somebody then longtime lurker? Have you made it? Strange, i'd think someone who was even remotely successful wouldn't spend all his time on the internet mindlessly whining about racist white people and bitterly denouncing every conservatively-inclined person as an evil "reich wing" racist. One would think that such behaviour has more to do with trying to "feel superior" than almost any other

:confusedshrug:

[poido123]

:biggums:

Errr... where did you get that one from exactly? Oh right, you made it up, like every other bit of nonsense you post on this site. Half-funding someone's postgraduate degree is "mooching" is it? Weird...

I will have my period of mooching when she pays me back by getting a high-paid job with maternity leave and all the concomitant female benefits :oldlol: .

And please, don't try to associate yourself with bulls97, as if you and he are similar, and as if I don't agree with 90% of the post you just quoted: you are a mindless fanatic, and he is an intelligent poster, who thinks for himself, and has many things to say with which I agree (contrary to your idiotic attestation), and with whom one can actually have a proper debate without descending into childish name calling and slander.

Are you a somebody then longtime lurker? Have you made it? Strange, i'd think someone who was even remotely successful wouldn't spend all his time on the internet mindlessly whining about racist white people and bitterly denouncing every conservatively-inclined person as an evil "reich wing" racist. One would think that such behaviour has more to do with trying to "feel superior" than almost any other

:confusedshrug:


Bingo.


He isn't the only one pretending to be someone he isn't.

[pastis]

...

[NumberSix]

Is there any actual proof that there even was slavery?

[Dresta]

What I find amazing is American ignorance regarding their own history. The schoolbooks have evidently marginalised the antebellum South into some kind of evil "other" perpetuated only by vicious and evil white males. It's not that they don't know anything about it, but that they are completely certain about their misapprehensions. It takes remarkable cognitive dissonance to accept this view and not to think the entirety of the US one big evil mistake (probably why many of them jump on the "progress" bandwagon).

Nowhere is it admitted that the nation was essentially created by this slave-holding semi-aristocratic class, and that it could not have been born without it; that the American path was taken from the English, and that the system of plantation agriculture that dominated in places like Virginia, was a clear attempt to mimic the institutions and customs of the english country gentleman. The Revolution itself was fought to "reclaim the chartered rights of englishmen"--an essential borrowing of the Whig ideas of the late 17th century.

The idea of there emerging a Washington, a Jefferson, a Madison, a Marshall, a Monroe, and so on, anywhere outside of the cultural milieu of 18th century Virginia, and the landed gentry that ran and established it, is quite frankly unthinkable. Its most important thinkers, military leaders, and statesmen were from this particular background, which is no coincidence. So evidently the South was not all bad, which is the only point i'm really making, but it's a point that often sends Americans into bouts of moralistic rage.

[longtime lurker]

What I find amazing is American ignorance regarding their own history. The schoolbooks have evidently marginalised the antebellum South into some kind of evil "other" perpetuated only by vicious and evil white males. It's not that they don't know anything about it, but that they are completely certain about their misapprehensions. It takes remarkable cognitive dissonance to accept this view and not to think the entirety of the US one big evil mistake (probably why many of them jump on the "progress" bandwagon).

Nowhere is it admitted that the nation was essentially created by this slave-holding semi-aristocratic class, and that it could not have been born without it; that the American path was taken from the English, and that the system of plantation agriculture that dominated in places like Virginia, was a clear attempt to mimic the institutions and customs of the english country gentleman. The Revolution itself was fought to "reclaim the chartered rights of englishmen"--an essential borrowing of the Whig ideas of the late 17th century.

The idea of there emerging a Washington, a Jefferson, a Madison, a Marshall, a Monroe, and so on, anywhere outside of the cultural milieu of 18th century Virginia, and the landed gentry that ran and established it, is quite frankly unthinkable. Its most important thinkers, military leaders, and statesmen were from this particular background, which is no coincidence. So evidently the South was not all bad, which is the only point i'm really making, but it's a point that often sends Americans into bouts of moralistic rage.

Only Dresta could paint a bunch of murderers and rapists as sympathetic figures.

[Dresta]

Only Dresta could paint a bunch of murderers and rapists as sympathetic figures.
:coleman:

What are you blubbering on about now? Which "murderers and rapists" was I "painting" exactly? Washington and Madison and Marshall? Ooook buddy.

[warriorfan]

The answer to that is yes: John Randolph did it plenty, and he was an invalid. What's more, his slaves saw him as their patron and protector, and he slept with no security, with his small log-cabin door left wide open. He took no precautions for his safety, nor to prevent runaways, and yet his slaves remained obedient and devoted to him--with good reason. This is what happened to them after his death:

http://hubpages.com/politics/Born-A-Slave-Died-Free-Freed-Randolph-Slaves-Journey-From-Virginia-to-Ohio

And that's the same reason why he didn't free his slaves until his death (they would be turned loose into a world that despised them with no protection from abuse and injustice); and he tried to lessen this by buying them land and resources in a northern state. Their hardship would have been even greater if Randolph had not spent significant amounts of time educating them and training them in various crafts (they could all read and write). As strange as it may seem, he viewed his slaves with great affection, and they reciprocated it; after he died, one of his slaves stayed behind, of his own account, to manage and care for his former owner's property; an unusual sight in Virginia of that time! And we forget how different the times were: beatings were commonplace, and the punishments often much worse on sea vessels, where the ship-captain was invested with absolute power; and this was a time when hunger, starvation, and early death, were real things to contend with. You get an idea of his position from this letter, written during the struggles (and potential famine looming) of the war of 1812:



As I often say: things in history are almost never black and white. Blaming slaveowners for everything is foolish considering the United States was set up with the right to own human property maintained by the Constitution--and the Constitution could never have been enacted without such a provision (and was barely ratified as it was). Effectively, the compromising acceptance of slavery is the only reason the United States exist as a country at all. Too many Americans are desperate to deny their past, and to pretend the bad things about it are someone else's fault (e.g. the "slave power" paranoia) to help externalise their disgust ("on the racists dammit, everything is their fault!!"). The South never in this period was the ascendent power: the North was, in both resources and manpower; and it's not like the North didn't use the South to its own benefit, through the use of tariffs, land grants, &c. There is a long history of New England businessmen robbing southerners of their land through double dealing and duplicity, dating all the way back to the Yazoo land scandal.

Dresta trying to say that slaves liked being slaves

This guy has something seriously wrong with him :facepalm

[DonDadda59]

Dresta trying to say that slaves liked being slaves

This guy has something seriously wrong with him :facepalm

These 2 are somewhere slow-clapping to Dresta's posts.

http://api.ning.com/files/5vBx3EI3-TErlR9EI8O5JFpzQUMuzo7Pz35Rvm8T-GFPsSZT3IsnUy92xv9IwaGmDYJiDYcDzUGTqyakDCqdinwYxGf Ag0nI/1django.gif

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[Im Still Ballin]

You pawns are so foolish for letting ideas of race control your mind

Life is meaningless

The Nihilistic has it's merit

But just like Nietzsche's Ubermensch, I overcome fickle ideals and morality of mankind

I Transcend it, while you are trapped by it

I make my own world

I Win

[Dresta]

Dresta trying to say that slaves liked being slaves

This guy has something seriously wrong with him :facepalm
Fool. Human beings almost always prefer what they know to what they don't, and very often value safety over freedom--at the heart of the bulk of humanity is the longing to be a slave. How have you not realised this by now? Even in the modern age, when life is more comfortable than ever, and liberty easier, less risky and painful to bear, people still cannot handle it, and so we increasingly drift towards a Huxlean dystopia, where we are freed finally from the painful consequences of freedom and instead given over to a servitude of the senses and the vacuous ideology of happiness.

Of course, in the much harder and harsher world of the early 19th century, many, many, many people would prefer the certainty of clothes, food, and shelter, to being turned loose into a milieu that made even survival exceptionally difficult. I probably would too. You seem rather ignorant of the conditions of the working class at this time, too; the average life-expectancy in industrial cities like Manchester was only 25. The great labouring masses invariably lived lives of misery, disease and death. Stop pretending it is such a simple thing to choose between two miserable sets of circumstances.

[warriorfan]

These 2 are somewhere slow-clapping to Dresta's posts.

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Dresta, do us all a favor

seek help immediately

thank you

[Jameerthefear]

These 2 are somewhere slow-clapping to Dresta's posts.

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[AceManIII]

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Uncle Tom and Uncle Remus would be proud of Dresta analysis as well

[Dresta]

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Uncle Tom and Uncle Remus would be proud of Dresta analysis as well
Yes, the founders of your nation, and probably the only reason you exist at all, owned slaves. Be grateful. None of these ex post facto mindless moral denunciations from 200 years in the future make any sense. They're ahistorical and stupid.

But, of course, silly children only see "slaveowner" without any context, completely ignoring the a slaveowner was born into his position as much as a slave was. It's like debating something with a bunch of ten year old children here.

fyi: "uncle Tom" was a fictional creation and not even a real person; as I said, you people have a poor understanding of this time in history, probably because Harriet Beecher Stowe's propaganda pamphlet is all you've read on the matter (if that). The modern perception of "Uncle Tom's" as slavish types comes from the minstrel shows actually, because even Stowe was not so black and white as that. I discuss reality, real circumstances and people, and you dismiss them with made up propaganda, not only that, but propaganda that was come down to us through chinese whispers, and that was intended to denigrate black people :oldlol:.

[Dictator]

These 2 are somewhere slow-clapping to Dresta's posts.

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[Dresta]

Nowhere is it admitted that the nation was essentially created by this slave-holding semi-aristocratic class, and that it could not have been born without it; that the American path was taken from the English, and that the system of plantation agriculture that dominated in places like Virginia, was a clear attempt to mimic the institutions and customs of the english country gentleman. The Revolution itself was fought to "reclaim the chartered rights of englishmen"--an essential borrowing of the Whig ideas of the late 17th century. Thus it was the spirit of the gentleman that was at the heart of the US Constitution.

The idea of there emerging a Washington, a Jefferson, a Madison, a Marshall, a Monroe, and so on, anywhere outside of the cultural milieu of 18th century Virginia, and the landed gentry that ran and established it, is quite frankly unthinkable. Its most important thinkers, military leaders, and statesmen were from this particular background, which is no coincidence. So evidently the South was not all bad, which is the only point i'm really making, but it's a point that often sends Americans into bouts of moralistic rage.

I'll just quote myself and ask if anyone has the balls to answer this question properly and seriously, rather than making feeble, emotive and irrelevant attempts to dismiss it without bothering to even try and understand it.

edit: oh, and this is completely ignoring the fact that slavery was the norm for human societies and civilisations until the British and French decided to get rid of it, through imperialism. The great African Empires like Mali all bought and sold slaves; there wasn't a place in Africa where slavery didn't exist as far as i'm aware; not only that, but slavery actually persists in many African countries, and would still be a ubiquitous norm if not for European imperialism.

Dem nasty evil old southern white men doe. I find it funny how you guys think you're intelligent and objective and yet blindly follow the pro-state dogmas that have been foisted onto you by a gargantuan state, which bends the teaching of history to its own needs, and for the consolidation of its own power. Allows you to externalise all the bad things of US history onto some evil "other", and pretend your state-worship is the continuation of some noble cause, dating back to the abolition of slavery; all praise the mighty and beneficent state!! Even though it's become a mass-murdering machine and tool for the powerful, it's still noble and great!! We can still advance progress and rights by force!!

Bunch of ignorant sheep.

[AceManIII]

Yes, the founders of your nation, and probably the only reason you exist at all, owned slaves. Be grateful. None of these ex post facto mindless moral denunciations from 200 years in the future make any sense. They're ahistorical and stupid.

Yessah, bawse! Thank goodness our founders saved Black people from the savage lands of Africa!! Gave 'em a "safe" place to stay and "honest labor"! :oldlol:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrZZQzyhp7g
^^^Truth about slavery by Uncle Ruckus

Poor white slave owners! The South wasn't tthhhaaatt bad :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:


fyi: "uncle Tom" was a fictional creation and not even a real person; as I said, you people have a poor understanding of this time in history, probably because Harriet Beecher Stowe's propaganda pamphlet is all you've read on the matter (if that). The modern perception of "Uncle Tom's" as slavish types comes from the minstrel shows actually, because even Stowe was not so black and white as that. I discuss reality, real circumstances and people, and you dismiss them with made up propaganda, not only that, but propaganda that was come down to us through chinese whispers, and that was intended to denigrate black people :oldlol:.

Mannnnn, you're trying too hard to attempt at intellectual dialogue and showing that you lack basic common sense.

Lemme help; why would I bring up "Uncle Tom"? Focus on that.

But wait, since you only deal with "real people"...look up Frederick Douglass.

[Dresta]

And you're failing to come up with any kind of counterargument whatsoever. Just more inane bullshit.

[longtime lurker]

Dresta "When you think about it Jews were happy to be in concentration camps. Some prisoners even became friends with their guards. Three square meals a day. They loved it there!"

Dude tries way too hard to be a contrarian that he doesn't realize that he sounds like a complete whacko and ignoramus.

[falc39]

And you're failing to come up with any kind of counterargument whatsoever. Just more inane bullshit.

Don't waste your time with these people, their arguments (if you even want to call it that) have zero substance.

[AceManIII]

And that's how you shut up a long-winded fool.

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[falc39]

And that's how you shut up a long-winded fool.

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:facepalm

[Dresta]

Dresta "When you think about it Jews were happy to be in concentration camps. Some prisoners even became friends with their guards. Three square meals a day. They loved it there!"

Dude tries way too hard to be a contrarian that he doesn't realize that he sounds like a complete whacko and ignoramus.
How you can think that's even remotely comparable to anything i've been saying is beyond me; it's ignorance to the highest degree. That you can't understand why the continuation of slavery (the inheritance of an unsolvable problem: a displaced people, cut-off from their heritage, in an alien land, when human bondage had been a fact of life for millennia), is different from the deliberate and active rounding up and mass-execution of the native Jewry (displaced from their homes and exterminated), shows how badly your opinions have been distorted by propaganda or ideology (or both). Most American slaveowners (of the revolutionary or antebellum generation) had no hand in the importation of slaves: they just inherited them; John Marshall is not the moral (or any other) equivalent of Joseph Goebbels. You are peddling flagrant nonsense.


That people remain incapable of discussing the subject dispassionately, and are still intent on demonising their military enemy, and erasing their many valuable contributions to the United States (Christ, Jefferson Davis himself was modernising the US Army only 5 years before the Civil War as Secretary of War; likewise James Dobbin as Secretary of the Navy), only means the conflict never really ended, and you are still desperately fighting it with your moronic comparisons of the American South to Nazi Germany. This attitude is new, and seems to me a part of the culture wars. Before (at least after the bitterness of war had subsided), people understood that the question of secession was debatable, and that in the end, only force had decided it; thus they treated the South with a kind of loose magnanimity (i.e. not rubbing salt in the face of the wounded, understanding they took what was a principled stand, etc.), and that is to their credit. Hence why people like William Dodd wrote sympathetic biographies of Jefferson Davis (and others).

What you (and others) are showing, is basically a need (or desire) to stomp all over the faces of the defeated again; not only to eradicate a way of life, but now to make people ashamed of their past and heritage; an attempt to airbrush their contributions from the history book. Effectively, you are using the industrial might and strength of the northern United States as a mask for your sadism.

[AceManIII]

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[warriorfan]

Dresta is off his medication again

[poido123]

Dresta is off his medication again


For the simple minded, he comes off weird.

Truth is, you and other black folk are not going to engage with him on his level.

The ones who attack him do not have the intellect to fully understand his POV.


It's hilarious that people can't understand him, so they pick one thing he said and take it out of context.

[AceManIII]

For the simple minded, he comes off weird.

Truth is, you and other black folk are not going to engage with him on his level.

The ones who attack him do not have the intellect to fully understand his POV.


It's hilarious that people can't understand him, so they pick one thing he said and take it out of context.

Feel free to explain it to us

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[poido123]

Feel free to explain it to us

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In a nutshell?


He is saying that not everything is what it seems or what is fed to us in history classes.

He is explaining in a higher thought process of what slavery meant and how it is easily manipulated into 'the white man is the bad guy and did all this to us' mindset. He also explained that people were a product of their surroundings. It was considered normal to those who were in it or born into it.


If we were able to take the emotions out of what we think or know to be slavery, we are able to critically think of what is reality and not what your history teacher taught you or some old guy who only shared his bad experience of it.

[Jameerthefear]

this forum is ****ing hilarious lol

[Jameerthefear]

the sad thing is that dresta is trolling and poido is so stupid he's agreeing with him

[poido123]

the sad thing is that dresta is trolling and poido is so stupid he's agreeing with him



Run along little boy

[Dictator]

Dresta "When you think about it Jews were happy to be in concentration camps. Some prisoners even became friends with their guards. Three square meals a day. They loved it there!"

Dude tries way too hard to be a contrarian that he doesn't realize that he sounds like a complete whacko and ignoramus.

:lol

[97 bulls]

How you can think that's even remotely comparable to anything i've been saying is beyond me; it's ignorance to the highest degree. That you can't understand why the continuation of slavery (the inheritance of an unsolvable problem: a displaced people, cut-off from their heritage, in an alien land, when human bondage had been a fact of life for millennia), is different from the deliberate and active rounding up and mass-execution of the native Jewry (displaced from their homes and exterminated), shows how badly your opinions have been distorted by propaganda or ideology (or both). Most American slaveowners (of the revolutionary or antebellum generation) had no hand in the importation of slaves: they just inherited them; John Marshall is not the moral (or any other) equivalent of Joseph Goebbels. You are peddling flagrant nonsense.
I'm confused. Are you attempting to justify slavery? Sure it became a way of life and thus the norm. But that by no means makes it justifiable. Those slave owners were Christians right? How would they apply the golden rule then? The scripture that essentially says do on to others as you would have done to you. I'm 1000 percent sure that none of those men would've been ok with the lynchings, beatings, breaking up families, the Madingo fights etc happening to their families. That went on during slavery. Now I acknowledge that not all slave owners were bad. But from what I've read, most were extremely evil individuals.

As far as the comparison to the holocaust, I feel what happened to those slaves were worse. Most of those people endured A LIFETIME of torture. And if your gonna make concessions for why slavery was ok, then surely you must feel the same way as to what Hitler and the Nazis did to the Jews. They felt that Jews were the reason for their losing the first world war. That German Jews secretly helped Lenin. Hitler didn't trust Jews. But just like how you say that not all slavers were bad, well, Hitler also didn't hate all Jews. In fact, his best friend was a Jew. Look up Earnest Hess. And it's my understanding that he interacted with Jews just fine before the start of WWI. Even living with them. But that by no means should emancipate him from his actions.

I haven't read the last few pages, but I'm trying to figure out how what Knows original text has to do with the justification of slavery. Perhaps its a diversionary tactic. Because what he said (for the most part ) is spot on. We're channeling our frustrations on the wrong people. The rich are playing us against each other. And we're too stupid to see through it.

[KiiiiNG]

And that's how you shut up a long-winded fool.

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Sad that you actually think you accomplished something in here. You made a fool of yourself and our race. Just stfu and stop embarrassing us bruh. :facepalm