Why is Kobe considered top 10?

[BedroomBully]

He doesn't have the personal accolades to be considered amongst the great ones.

[LAZERUSS]

He doesn't have the personal accolades to be considered amongst the great ones.

I have him at anywhere between 8-13.

BTW, just look up his WCF's runs throughout the years.

He was certainly the best player on the floor in the majority of them.

[Im Still Ballin]

He isn't considered top 10 by general consensus

[BedroomBully]

I have him at anywhere between 8-13.

BTW, just look up his WCF's runs throughout the years.

He was certainly the best player on the floor in the majority of them.
WCF? According to ISH, only the finals matter? Again, tell me what he has done to deserve top 10? How many mvps did he win? Scoring titles? Championships are team accomplishments. All he has is ALLSTAR MVPS! And we all know those are just glorified exhibition games.

[BedroomBully]

He isn't considered top 10 by general consensus
And I agree with the experts.

[Lebron23]

12thbe
Top 12 Player Of All Time.

[Lebronxrings]

12thbe
Top 12 Player Of All Time.
This

[tmacattack33]

Kobe's not top 10.

Closer to about 13-14.

[InsanityKills]

Nobody other than the 12betards have him in the top ten.

[KiiiiNG]

He's not...

And Durant with a ring this year + 1 more MVP and he surpasses Kobe all-time. Durant's hovering around top 16 ATM

Steadily climbing

[jstern]

In what planet is Kobe considered top ten? Unless one is a Kobe Stan. Have you not seen the Kobe not in the top ten gifs. Like Kobe as the doorman of the top ten building.

[BedroomBully]

I just want one of these Kobe fans to give me a valid explanation. Will anyone? You can't be an all time great have only one MVP, 2 scoring titles(even though you have the most fg attempts year after year, and 2/5 fmvps!

[bigkingsfan]

I just want one of these Kobe fans to give me a valid explanation. Will anyone? You can't be an all time great have only one MVP, 2 scoring titles(even though you have the most fg attempts year after year, and 2/5 fmvps!
Because...
I tried, couldn't.

[imnew09]

Name me 10 players with better resume:

Top 3 in Scoring of All Time

NBA Championship 1999-00 with Los Angeles Lakers
NBA Championship 2000-01 with Los Angeles Lakers
NBA Championship 2001-02 with Los Angeles Lakers
NBA Championship 2008-09 with Los Angeles Lakers
NBA Championship 2009-10 with Los Angeles Lakers
All-Star Game:

18 times (played 15 times) - 4 MVP
1998, 2000, 2001, 2002 (MVP), 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007 (MVP), 2008, 2009 (MVP), 2010 (DNP), 2011 (MVP), 2012, 2013, 2014 (DNP), 2015 (DNP), 2016
Awards and Honors by Type:

Season MVP - Once
2007-08

Finals MVP - Twice
2008-09, 2009-10

Scoring Leader - Twice
2005-06, 2006-07

All-NBA First Team - 11 times
2001-02, 2002-03, 2003-04, 2005-06, 2006-07, 2007-08, 2008-09, 2009-10, 2010-11, 2011-12, 2012-13

All-NBA Second Team - Twice
1999-00, 2000-01

All-NBA Third Team - Twice
1998-99, 2004-05

All-Defensive First Team - 9 times
1999-00, 2002-03, 2003-04, 2005-06, 2006-07, 2007-08, 2008-09, 2009-10, 2010-11

All-Defensive Second Team - 3 times
2000-01, 2001-02, 2011-12

All-Rookie Second Team
1996-97

[Lebronxrings]

Name me 10 players with better resume:

Top 3 in Scoring of All Time

NBA Championship 1999-00 with Los Angeles Lakers
NBA Championship 2000-01 with Los Angeles Lakers
NBA Championship 2001-02 with Los Angeles Lakers
NBA Championship 2008-09 with Los Angeles Lakers
NBA Championship 2009-10 with Los Angeles Lakers
All-Star Game:

18 times (played 15 times) - 4 MVP
1998, 2000, 2001, 2002 (MVP), 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007 (MVP), 2008, 2009 (MVP), 2010 (DNP), 2011 (MVP), 2012, 2013, 2014 (DNP), 2015 (DNP), 2016
Awards and Honors by Type:

Season MVP - Once
2007-08

Finals MVP - Twice
2008-09, 2009-10

Scoring Leader - Twice
2005-06, 2006-07

All-NBA First Team - 11 times
2001-02, 2002-03, 2003-04, 2005-06, 2006-07, 2007-08, 2008-09, 2009-10, 2010-11, 2011-12, 2012-13

All-NBA Second Team - Twice
1999-00, 2000-01

All-NBA Third Team - Twice
1998-99, 2004-05

All-Defensive First Team - 9 times
1999-00, 2002-03, 2003-04, 2005-06, 2006-07, 2007-08, 2008-09, 2009-10, 2010-11

All-Defensive Second Team - 3 times
2000-01, 2001-02, 2011-12

All-Rookie Second Team
1996-97
did you really list all star mvps as accompishments? :roll:

[Smoke117]

...he's not. The only ones who consider him a lock for top 10 are his stans. Even people that do have him in the top 10...it's just barely...the general consensus seems to be that he isn't top 10 though.

[Chokefree]

Dray N klay....haven't you learned already? You asking this question you already know the answer.....



for someone who is 2/6 you can't consider him 3rd of all time LMAO......hahahahahahahahahah

[Lebronxrings]

Dray N klay....haven't you learned already? You asking this question you already know the answer.....



for someone who is 2/6 you can't consider him 3rd of all time LMAO......hahahahahahahahahah
Dray N Klay living rent free.

[InsanityKills]

Shout out to my bro Dray N Klay, living life rent free.

[34-24 Footwork]

He's consensus top 10 because it's May 2016 and you're still talking about him even though he's retired.

Let that sink in.

Kobe Bryant is retired and he's lurking your subconscious effortlessly.

[imnew09]

did you really list all star mvps as accompishments? :roll:


copy and pasted that sh** from http://www.landofbasketball.com/nba_players/b/kobe_bryant.htm


STILL WAITING for the LIST

[Cold soul]

The majority do have him rated high other than haters and trolls have him outside the top 10. The general consensus has him anywhere from 5-10 sounds about right he has great resume and accomplishments.

[Big164]

I have him at #9...just barely.

[BedroomBully]

Name me 10 players with better resume:

Top 3 in Scoring of All Time

NBA Championship 1999-00 with Los Angeles Lakers
NBA Championship 2000-01 with Los Angeles Lakers
NBA Championship 2001-02 with Los Angeles Lakers
NBA Championship 2008-09 with Los Angeles Lakers
NBA Championship 2009-10 with Los Angeles Lakers
All-Star Game:

18 times (played 15 times) - 4 MVP
1998, 2000, 2001, 2002 (MVP), 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007 (MVP), 2008, 2009 (MVP), 2010 (DNP), 2011 (MVP), 2012, 2013, 2014 (DNP), 2015 (DNP), 2016
Awards and Honors by Type:

Season MVP - Once
2007-08

Finals MVP - Twice
2008-09, 2009-10

Scoring Leader - Twice
2005-06, 2006-07

All-NBA First Team - 11 times
2001-02, 2002-03, 2003-04, 2005-06, 2006-07, 2007-08, 2008-09, 2009-10, 2010-11, 2011-12, 2012-13

All-NBA Second Team - Twice
1999-00, 2000-01

All-NBA Third Team - Twice
1998-99, 2004-05

All-Defensive First Team - 9 times
1999-00, 2002-03, 2003-04, 2005-06, 2006-07, 2007-08, 2008-09, 2009-10, 2010-11

All-Defensive Second Team - 3 times
2000-01, 2001-02, 2011-12

All-Rookie Second Team
1996-97
Lol really? All Rookie second team??? That's a f$&kn accomplishment? Kobe stans lol.

[imnew09]

Lol really? All Rookie second team??? That's a f$&kn accomplishment? Kobe stans lol.


LIke i said, I copied and pasted that sh** from http://www.landofbasketball.com/nba_players/b/kobe_bryant.htm

Well, I'm not surprised you don't know what a Resume is. Step outside and find yourself a job btch a$$. Tip: it requires a RESUME.

I'm still waiting for 10 players with better resume than Kobe.

[bigkingsfan]

Three missed playoffs in a row, another one during prime. Yup, no top 10 comes close.

[BedroomBully]

LIke i said, I copied and pasted that sh** from http://www.landofbasketball.com/nba_players/b/kobe_bryant.htm

Well, I'm not surprised you don't know what a Resume is. Step outside and find yourself a job btch a$$. Tip: it requires a RESUME.

I'm still waiting for 10 players with better resume than Kobe.
Lmao lol lol this lil Ni@@a is mad azz hell right now. Did I hit a nerve? It's the truth. Deal with it Posay boi. Ranked 12th by 2 credible sources.

[imnew09]

Lmao lol lol this lil Ni@@a is mad azz hell right now. Did I hit a nerve? It's the truth. Deal with it Posay boi. Ranked 12th by 2 credible sources.


Nope, you just avoided my point like a b**ch :roll: :roll:

[Real14]

These kobe haters are seriously ruining ISH right now. :facepalm

[BedroomBully]

Nope, you just avoided my point like a b**ch :roll: :roll:
LOL again, 2 credible source ranked him 12th. Now tell me, who should I go with... A fat loser who is jobless, gets no butt and lives with his parents or 2 CREDIBLE SITES LIKE ESPN AND SPORTS ILLUSTRATED? EXPERTS RANKED HIM 12TH!!! Now go beat your lil meat boi and let grown men debate Bball.

[imnew09]

LOL again, 2 credible source ranked him 12th. Now tell me, who should I go with... A fat loser who is jobless, gets no butt and lives with his parents or 2 CREDIBLE SITES LIKE ESPN AND SPORTS ILLUSTRATED? EXPERTS RANKED HIM 12TH!!! Now go beat your lil meat boi and let grown men debate Bball.


LOL, then debate. Name top 10 players with better resume than Kobe?

ESPN is credible? lol.... those "ESPN experts" had Warriors over OKC in 6

[BedroomBully]

LOL, then debate. Name top 10 players with better resume than Kobe?

ESPN is credible? lol.... those "ESPN experts" had Warriors over OKC in 6
They also had The Cavs sweeping, what's your point? Here you go... 10 better players:
1. MJ
2. Kareem
3. Magic
4. Bird
5. LeBron
6. Doc J
7. Duncan
8. Shaq
9. Russell
10. Big O
In no particular order

[SouBeachTalents]

They also had The Cavs sweeping, what's your point? Here you go... 10 better players:
1. MJ
2. Kareem
3. Magic
4. Bird
5. LeBron
6. Doc J
7. Duncan
8. Shaq
9. Russell
10. Big O
In no particular order

In terms of NBA accomplishments I'd disagree with the bolded. Replace those two with Wilt & Hakeem and they'd have better arguments

[BedroomBully]

In terms of NBA accomplishments I'd disagree with the bolded. Replace those two with Wilt & Hakeem and they'd have better arguments
My point is there are 10 players with better resumes than Kobe. Don't get me wrong, the guy was a great player... But not top 10

[NBAGOAT]

My point is there are 10 players with better resumes than Kobe. Don't get me wrong, the guy was a great player... But not top 10

not those 2 guys however. I get Kobe outside of the top 10 but don't get him below 11th. The guys with best cases are guys like Big O, Drob, or KG and those cases are weak

[Straight_Ballin]

Three missed playoffs in a row, another one during prime. Yup, no top 10 comes close.

That's what happens when you play in the more difficult conference during a 20 year a career.

Nothing impressive about someone who leaves his team to join other superstars in the EAST only to come up short with 2/6 soon to be 2/7 while flopping all over the place. Pretty sad tbh.

[BedroomBully]

That's what happens when you play in the more difficult conference during a 20 year a career.

Nothing impressive about someone who leaves his team to join other superstars in the EAST only to come up short with 2/6 soon to be 2/7 while flopping all over the place. Pretty sad tbh.
Shaq and Kareem went to different team in search of greener pastures. Do they fall off the top 10 as well?

[imnew09]

They also had The Cavs sweeping, what's your point? Here you go... 10 better players:
1. MJ
2. Kareem
3. Magic
4. Bird
5. LeBron
6. Doc J
7. Duncan
8. Shaq
9. Russell
10. Big O
In no particular order

Yea the point is ESPN is not a credible source. They are a bunch of idiots and you just proved it with "they had cavs sweeping" . Thanks for proving my point inaccidently you dumb fk


Nice list btw. Big O, Doc J, Shaq, Duncan, Lebron

Good job man :roll: :roll:

[BedroomBully]

Yea the point is ESPN is not a credible source. They are a bunch of idiots and you just proved it with "they had cavs sweeping" . Thanks for proving my point inaccidently you dumb fk


Nice list btw. Big O, Doc J, Shaq, Duncan, Lebron

Good job man :roll: :roll:
So I should go with your list instead? Just by you cuzn and name calling I know I'm I your azz and under your skin boi. Keep getting mad. I love it. At the end of the day, 3>12. Deal with it.

[SouBeachTalents]

Yea the point is ESPN is not a credible source. They are a bunch of idiots and you just proved it with "they had cavs sweeping" . Thanks for proving my point inaccidently you dumb fk


Nice list btw. Big O, Doc J, Shaq, Duncan, Lebron

Good job man :roll: :roll:

Those 3 all have arguments over Kobe. To act like they don't is laughable

[LilEddyCurry]

Cause he has 5 rings (3 given by Shaq)

[BedroomBully]

Those 3 all have arguments over Kobe. To act like they don't is laughable
Don't argue with him. Poor boi is probably still recovering from the epic failure of a season the garden snake just had.

[Im Still Ballin]

He lacks the absolute class ability on a consistent basis like the best.

[tpols]

Kobe is top 5 dead or alive.

5 rings .. put some respeck on it.

[ballinhun8]

Don't argue with him. Poor boi is probably still recovering from the epic failure of a season the garden snake just had.



Boy*




Learn english if you're going to try to debate here or you will get shut down even more then you are now.

[BedroomBully]

Boy*




Learn english if you're going to try to debate here or you will get shut down even more then you are now.
Are you going to shut me down BOI? Come at me kid... How does it feel to be alone in a dark basement on a holiday weekend knowing people are out there having fun? Better yet, how does it feel to never get laid? Desert dick azz boi.

[ballinhun8]

Are you going to shut me down BOI? Come at me kid... How does it feel to be alone in a dark basement on a holiday weekend knowing people are out there having fun? Better yet, how does it feel to never get laid? Desert dick azz boi.



If I'm in a basement doing what you say I'm doing, then what are you doing?



Because we both here on a friday night. I can admit that. Then again, I aint the one logging in and out to reply and agree like yourself son.



Boy*

[BedroomBully]

If I'm in a basement doing what you say I'm doing, then what are you doing?



Because we both here on a friday night. I can admit that. Then again, I aint the one logging in and out to reply and agree like yourself son.



Boy*
I'm chillin baby. Unlike you I have a social life, but why would I waste my time on a boi like you. Go, jerk off to whatever Kobe poster you have on your wall. I'm done with you clown.

[ballinhun8]

I'm chillin baby. Unlike you I have a social life, but why would I waste my time on a boi like you. Go, jerk off to whatever Kobe poster you have on your wall. I'm done with you clown.




Oh you chilling? But the same csnt be said for me because? You say so? Lol


You Bron yards are all the same. Make up these fantasy stories about poaters because you aint clever enough to hold a conversation. Get in line with the rest of your HOMOsapian brontards. You guys are like roadkill. Always dead when we see you.



Boy*

[Mr Feeny]

He isn't considered top 10 by general consensus

Yeah he's probably 11-13 by most people's estimates. Definitely not top 10 though lol.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Hes around 11-15, hes not top 10. Both ESPN and SporsIllustrated had Kobe at 12, its not a mere coincidence.
:rolleyes:

[Mr Feeny]

Hes around 11-15, hes not top 10. Both ESPN and SporsIllustrated had Kobe at 12, its not a mere coincidence.
:rolleyes:

As do realgm by consensus. That's probably a fair ranking as well. As good as he was, it's hard to see how he can objectively be ranked as a top 10 player. He just wasn't THAT good. Still, 11th or so is nothing to sneeze at.

[Smoke117]

As do realgm by consensus. That's probably a fair ranking as well. As good as he was, it's hard to see how he can objectively be ranked as a top 10 player. He just wasn't THAT good. Still, 11th or so is nothing to sneeze at.

Kobe Bryant is a case of popularity and star power building a player up to more than he is.

[Goofsta Knicca]

Kobe da Goat.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Hes around 11-15, hes not top 10. Both ESPN and SporsIllustrated had Kobe at 12, its not a mere coincidence.
:rolleyes:


And SI has Shaq at 15.. ESPN had Shaq at 9th.. For an average of 12th all time.

Ok then.

We are still waiting for somebody to list 10 players with a better resume..

:lol :lol

[Showtime2001]

General consensus has Kobe in the top 10 and the ones who have him outside of it are Brontards....

I think this thread is enough proof.

:yaohappy:

[BlueandGold]

Kobe won two back to back with an injured Bynum, mentally soft Odom and Gasol as his only reliable wingman.

Lebron lost to the Mavs with a stacked Heat team :facepalm

[Lebron23]

Kobetards melting down.

[iamgine]

He doesn't have the personal accolades to be considered amongst the great ones.
Because he has the rings and he's has superstar status. Also, he's at least top 3 most popular NBA player of all time.

I personally don't put him in top 10 but it's very understandable when people do. Unlike if you put say, Reggie Miller in the top 10.

[Mr Feeny]

And SI has Shaq at 15.. ESPN had Shaq at 9th.. For an average of 12th all time.

Ok then.

We are still waiting for somebody to list 10 players with a better resume..

:lol :lol

All 11 of those in the espn list are comfortably ahead of him. Soon, so too will Curry .

Down goes Kobrick and his fanboys:rockon:

[SwayDizzle]

Kobe haterz have been gettin butt f*cked their whole lives on this board. Its no surprise that now when Kobe is retired and no longer ramming their teams up the ass that they get confident enough to shout off. These f*cking losers were nobodies a few years ago. Their rise started after Kobe got his achille's injury. THEY ARE SO PATHETIC. They lack any originality when they diss Kobe and LA fans. They are just recycling the abuse they had to put up with on a daily basis on this board. And the ironic part is that Kobe and LA fans are not phased by these weaklings.

[zeerghit]

Kobe haterz have been gettin butt f*cked their whole lives on this board. Its no surprise that now when Kobe is retired and no longer ramming their teams up the ass that they get confident enough to shout off. These f*cking losers were nobodies a few years ago. Their rise started after Kobe got his achille's injury. THEY ARE SO PATHETIC. They lack any originality when they diss Kobe and LA fans. They are just recycling the abuse they had to put up with on a daily basis on this board. And the ironic part is that Kobe and LA fans are not phased by these weaklings.

how is ur life? we know ur hobbies.. too much f4gs on this site

[PickernRoller]

2/7 is coming...so it's that time of the year for LeTards pre-emptive attacks.

Y'all are gonna get your anuses penetrated 5 inches deep and none of you can't escape it. It's called being a Lebron bitch.

[INDI]

How is somebody who Magic Johnson and Shaq said is better than them not even top ten??????????????????


The weird thing is you guys are basically disagreeing with a man about an assessment on his own self lol. Y'all are like "No magic don't say things like that, he wasn't better than you man" lmbo.

Who should we trust? Ish posters or magic himself??? For the record I got kobe at 6 and magic at 5 but they are close to interchangeable. Here's the complete list

Michael
Kareem
Hakeem
Oscar
Magic
Kobe
Lebron
Wilt
Bird
Shaq

(i have Bill Russell ranked in the spot that matches his rings #11

[PickernRoller]

Lebron in 09 after winning an MVP: Kobe is still better than me - I am close but not there yet. :roll: :roll: :roll:

[ILLsmak]

I have him at #9...just barely.

yea totally honestly...

Kareem, MJ, Russell, Bird, Wilt, Magic, Shaq, LeBron, TD...

I mean, you can put Mikan in there or Jerry West or someone else, but those are the consensus better than Kobe players at this moment. One can argue Shaq, Bron, Hakeem and TD. Mainly because Kobe was in their era and did work, too.

Putting Kobe at 12 or higher is hate. haha. I think people should have him at 10 at least but he may get knocked out. He's not one of those set in stone, mount rushmore guys.

-Smak

[LAZERUSS]

yea totally honestly...

Kareem, MJ, Russell, Bird, Wilt, Magic, Shaq, LeBron, TD...

I mean, you can put Mikan in there or Jerry West or someone else, but those are the consensus better than Kobe players at this moment. One can argue Shaq, Bron, Hakeem and TD. Mainly because Kobe was in their era and did work, too.

Putting Kobe at 12 or higher is hate. haha. I think people should have him at 10 at least but he may get knocked out. He's not one of those set in stone, mount rushmore guys.

-Smak

Excellent post.

I have him at anywhere between 8-13.

The Top-5 are untouchable.

Wilt
MJ
Magic
KAJ
Russell

Then 6-7 are a tier above.

Shaq
Duncan

Then ...

Kobe
Lebron
Bird
Moses
Dr. J
Hakeem

In almost any order. And give added weight to Dr. J's peak ABA seasons, and he would likely move to 8-9.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

The only people who don't have Bean in their 8-11 range are crazed haters.

Me? Never been the biggest LeBron fan, but at least I acknowledge him as a surefire top 10 player. No reason to deny it :confusedshrug:

As somebody pointed out, you don't get called "The Best Laker ever" (disagree with that but it shows you the level of respect dude has from his peers) if you weren't at least in the ~10 range.

[rmt]

How is somebody who Magic Johnson and Shaq said is better than them not even top ten??????????????????


The weird thing is you guys are basically disagreeing with a man about an assessment on his own self lol. Y'all are like "No magic don't say things like that, he wasn't better than you man" lmbo.

Who should we trust? Ish posters or magic himself??? For the record I got kobe at 6 and magic at 5 but they are close to interchangeable. Here's the complete list

Michael
Kareem
Hakeem
Oscar
Magic
Kobe
Lebron
Wilt
Bird
Shaq

(i have Bill Russell ranked in the spot that matches his rings #11

Seems to me that you forgot someone who has 5 rings, 3 FMVPs, 2 MVPs, 15 All-Star, 15 All-NBA, 15 All-Defensive teams.

[LAZERUSS]

The only people who don't have Bean in their 8-11 range are crazed haters.

Me? Never been the biggest LeBron fan, but at least I acknowledge him as a surefire top 10 player. No reason to deny it :confusedshrug:

As somebody pointed out, you don't get called "The Best Laker ever" (disagree with that but it shows you the level of respect dude has from his peers) if you weren't at least in the ~10 range.

It would he interesting to find some of these "lists" after the 2010 season, when clearly Kobe was considered the best player in the world (Lebron had just quit on his Cavs against the Celtics, and Wade was blown out by them in the first round.)

And those significant lists regarding "player of the decade" from '00 thru '09, had Kobe running away from Duncan, Shaq, Wade, and Lebron.

But since then he was decimated by injuries, and his teams fell off the cliff. And I guess, in the eyes of many, he dropped because of it.

I said it earlier, but all anyone has to do is research his career WCF's. He was the best player on the floor in the vast majority of them...in series with the likes of Duncan and Shaq, as well as a couple of others.

[Mr Feeny]

Excellent post.

I have him at anywhere between 8-13.

The Top-5 are untouchable.

Wilt
MJ
Magic
KAJ
Russell

Then 6-7 are a tier above.

Shaq
Duncan

Then ...

Kobe
Lebron
Bird
Moses
Dr. J
Hakeem

In almost any order. And give added weight to Dr. J's peak ABA seasons, and he would likely move to 8-9.

Lol at the 18 ppg finals scorer who trails Pippen being in the top tier.

It's pretty much

MJ
Russell
Kareem
Lebron
Magic
Shaq
Duncan
Bird
THE dream
Jerry West

Sorry no room for Ilt or Kobrick. They're in the 3rd tier (aka 11-15) still impressive though:applause:

[Mr Feeny]

Seems to me that you forgot someone who has 5 rings, 3 FMVPs, 2 MVPs, 15 All-Star, 15 All-NBA, 15 All-Defensive teams.

Probably doesn't even know who you're talking about. Definitely did not get to see Duncan circa 2003 judging by that ridiculous list :lol

[LAZERUSS]

Lol at the 18 ppg finals scorer who trails Pippen being in the top tier.

It's pretty much

MJ
Russell
Kareem
Lebron
Magic
Shaq
Duncan
Bird
THE dream
Jerry West

Sorry no room for Ilt or Kobrick. They're in the 3rd tier (aka 11-15) still impressive though:applause:

Russell averaged 10 ppg in his two Finals against Wilt. And his playoff numbers had a massive decline when he was playing against Chamberlain. In fact, Wilt slaughtered Russell...plain-and-simple. And anyone that has actually done any research in the area of the NBA would claim that had Wilt and Russell swapped rosters, that it would have been Wilt holding all those rings.

And if you are going to hold rings against Wilt...then sorry, your boy 3" LeChoke is WAY below Kobe.

BTW, a prime "scoring" Wilt averaged 33 ppg in his six post-seasons (and 31 ppg against Russell in that span BTW.) Only MJ and West have a case over a prime Chamberlain in playoff scoring. And over half of Wilt's playoff games were against Russell in those prime scoring years. And he averaged 29 ppg in his Finals in his prime...and again...against Russell. Of course, he was, BY FAR, the GOAT post-season rebounder. And he dominated his HOF opposing centers in his post-season career. His destruction of Russell in both the '65 EDF's, and the '67 EDF's, were unquestionably, the worst beatdowns ever administered by one GOAT upon another.

Next...

[ballinhun8]

Russell averaged 10 ppg in his two Finals against Wilt. And his playoff numbers had a massive decline when he was playing against Chamberlain. In fact, Wilt slaughtered Russell...plain-and-simple. And anyone that has actually done any research in the area of the NBA would claim that had Wilt and Russell swapped rosters, that it would have been Wilt holding all those rings.

And if you are going to hold rings against Wilt...then sorry, your boy 3" LeChoke is WAY below Kobe.

BTW, a prime "scoring" Wilt averaged 33 ppg in his six post-seasons. Only MJ and West have a case over a prime Chamberlain in playoff scoring. And over half of Wilt's playoff games were against Russell in those prime scoring years. And he averaged 29 ppg in his Finals in his prime...and again...against Russell. Of course, he was, BY FAR, the GOAT post-season rebounder. And he dominated his HOF opposing centers in his post-season career. His destruction of Russell in both the '65 EDF's, and the '67 EDF's, were unquestionably, the worst beatdowns ever administered by one GOAT upon another.

Next...


Why are you even bothering with a poster who refers to a player by "lethick"? That one phrase alone diminishes any type of bball knowledge he thinks he has.

[Prime_Shaq]

He is within the 8-12 range but tbh its more fair to rank players in tiers rather than definitive numbers.

[LAZERUSS]

Why are you even bothering with a poster who refers to a player by "lethick"? That one phrase alone diminishes any type of bball knowledge he thinks he has.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

:cheers:

[Mr Feeny]

Why are you even bothering with a poster who refers to a player by "lethick"? That one phrase alone diminishes any type of bball knowledge he thinks he has.

LeTHICK is definitely top 5.
Kobrick is not top 11 unfortunately :(

Clap clap for the bran lethick!:rockon:

[BedroomBully]

Oh you chilling? But the same csnt be said for me because? You say so? Lol


You Bron yards are all the same. Make up these fantasy stories about poaters because you aint clever enough to hold a conversation. Get in line with the rest of your HOMOsapian brontards. You guys are like roadkill. Always dead when we see you.



Boy*
So tell me, what are we debating on? Give me a topic oh intellectual giant !

[Lebronxrings]

im gonna side with the expert picks and say kobe is 12th best.

[feyki]

Those top 10 conversations killing me .

What's the matter top 10 or not ?

Shaq was far more gifted guy , who was top 3-5 all time talent . And i can say , Kobe did match his career . Kobe wasn't probably in top 15-20 all time talent . And he had amazing work ethic to be comprable Shaq,Magic,Bird,Hakeem,Duncan etc .. Maybe not better than those , but doesn't matter . This is more respectful than Shaq's dominance for me .

So , top 10 or not .. Kobe had special career and people talking abouth him all day here . That's the greatness .

[Mr Feeny]

im gonna side with the expert picks and say kobe is 12th best.

Pretty much. Most basketball fans have him around 12th-14 th. There's no shame in that either.

[Straight_Ballin]

im gonna side with the expert picks and say kobe is 12th best.

The same expert picks that think 2/7 is worthy of top 3 ever? :lol

The only reason Kobe isn't higher even though he is in the top 10 is because he wanted to win without Shaq and the CP3 trade was vetoed. He'd probably be 9/10 if both of those things never happened just like MJ would be 8/8 at least if he never left. People like to re-write history and pretend that certain events didn't take place.

[Mr Feeny]

The same expert picks that think 2/7 is worthy of top 3 ever? :lol

The only reason Kobe isn't higher even though he is in the top 10 is because he wanted to win without Shaq and the CP3 trade was vetoed. He'd probably be 9/10 if both of those things never happened just like MJ would be 8/8 at least if he never left. People like to re-write history and pretend that certain events didn't take place.The same experts who share the general public's consensus opinion that Kobrick is not.a top 11 player all time :lebronamazed:

[Disaprine]

if it means anything to op, lebronze isn't either.

[elementally morale]

im gonna side with the expert picks and say kobe is 12th best.


That's a media-driven, living in the moment sentiment. Let's wait a few years. Back in 2004-5 the general consensus was Bryant not winning a ring again and his best years having been behind him.

[Smoke117]

It would he interesting to find some of these "lists" after the 2010 season, when clearly Kobe was considered the best player in the world (Lebron had just quit on his Cavs against the Celtics, and Wade was blown out by them in the first round.)



What kind of stupid ****ing nonsense is this? Yeah the heat got blown out...the Lakers were about 10 times better as a team (Pau Gasol alone is better than the next three best players on the heat in 2010 combined)...how exactly does that make Kobe Bryant better than Wade?...especially when Wade pushed the Celtics shit in and Kobe did this:

Dwyane Wade: 33.2ppg 6.8apg 5.6rpg 1.6spg 1.6bpg .650%ts

Kobe Bryant: 28.6ppg 3.9apg 8.0rpg 2.1spg 0.7spg .528%

The Lakers wouldn't have needed 7 games to beat the Celtics if they had Wade instead of Kobe. Stick to wilt you dumb ass.

[Straight_Ballin]

He is within the 8-12 range but tbh its more fair to rank players in tiers rather than definitive numbers.

This is correct, but they also have to be ranked relative to a number of key factors

Was the team built around them?
Did they jump teams to collude and chase rings?
Did they win after another superstar on their team left?
How many times did they win in the finals?
How many times did they fail in the finals?
How many post season accolades do they have?
How many FMVP to they have?
How stacked were their teams and how easy was their trip to the finals?
Did they 3 peat, leave the game, and then come back only to 3 peat again?

Once you take all the above into account, the picture becomes clearer.

[Mr Feeny]

What kind of stupid ****ing nonsense is this? Yeah the heat got blown out...the Lakers were about 10 times better as a team (Pau Gasol alone is better than the next three best players on the heat in 2010 combined)...how exactly does that make Kobe Bryant better than Wade?...especially when Wade pushed the Celtics shit in and Kobe did this:

Dwyane Wade: 33.2ppg 6.8apg 5.6rpg 1.6spg 1.6spg .650%ts

Kobe Bryant: 28.6ppg 3.9apg 8.0rpg 2.1spg 0.7spg .528%

The Lakers wouldn't have needed 7 games to beat the Celtics if they had Wade instead of Kobe. Stick to wilt you dumb ass.

Somebody go get Ilt stan some aloe vera for that burn :lebronamazed:

[LAZERUSS]

What kind of stupid ****ing nonsense is this? Yeah the heat got blown out...the Lakers were about 10 times better as a team (Pau Gasol alone is better than the next three best players on the heat in 2010 combined)...how exactly does that make Kobe Bryant better than Wade?...especially when Wade pushed the Celtics shit in and Kobe did this:

Dwyane Wade: 33.2ppg 6.8apg 5.6rpg 1.6spg 1.6spg .650%ts

Kobe Bryant: 28.6ppg 3.9apg 8.0rpg 2.1spg 0.7spg .528%

The Lakers wouldn't have needed 7 games to beat the Celtics if they had Wade instead of Kobe. Stick to wilt you dumb ass.


:roll: :roll: :roll:

You mean Bus-Rider Wade????

The man led his team down in flames in the FIRST ROUND, just as he would choke in game six of the Finals the very next year. And they were down 3-0, and nearly SWEPT.

Kobe had a poor shooting game seven in the '10 Finals, but thru the first SIX games, and receiving ALL of Boston's defensive attention...

30.0 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 4.2 apg, and on a .546 TS%.

And of course, Kobe was CARRYING his team into that Finals, as well.

And, as ALWAYS, he was BRILLIANT in the WCF's...

33.7 ppg, 7.2 rpg, 8.3 apg, and on a .677 TS%.

GTFO with the Bus-Rider.

The only Finals in which he contributed anything is generally regarded as the most SUSPICIOUS Finals in NBA HISTORY. His FTAs FAR exceeded his regular season averages, and were considerably higher than his playoff averages. He was blowing thru defenders like Earl Campbell, and getting questionable calls the the last half of the Finals.

Kobe >>>>>>>>>>>>> Bus-Rider.

Stick to something you actually know about. Wait...that would be...NOTHING.

[Smoke117]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

You mean Bus-Rider Wade????

The man led his team down in flames in the FIRST ROUND, just as he would choke in game six of the Finals the very next year.

Kobe had a poor shooting game seven in the '10 Finals, but thru the first SIX games, and receiving ALL of Boston's defensive attention...

30.0 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 4.2 apg, and on a .546 TS%.

And of course, Kobe was CARRYING his team into that Finals, as well.

And, as ALWAYS, he was BRILLIANT in the WCF's...

33.7 ppg, 7.2 rpg, 8.3 apg, and on a .677 TS%.

GTFO with the Bus-Rider.

The only Finals in which he contributed anything is generally regarded as the most SUSPICIOUS Finals in NBA HISTORY. His FTAs FAR exceeded his regular season averages, and were considerably higher than his playoff averages. He was blowing thru defenders like Earl Campbell, and getting questionable calls the the last half of the Finals.

Kobe >>>>>>>>>>>>> Bus-Rider.

Stick to something you actually know about. Wait...that would be...NOTHING.

This is like the typical kobe stan dick sucker response...I didn't even know you were a kobe stan. I love the part about how Kobe carried the Lakers into the finals...he only had Pau who was a borderline top 10 player in the league in 2010 (and led the that run in ws), but yeah Kobe carried that team into the finals. Have a heart attack and die you old bastard.

[LAZERUSS]

This is like the typical kobe stan dick sucker response...I didn't even know you were a kobe stan. I love the part about how Kobe carried the Lakers into the finals...he only had Pau who was a borderline top 10 player in the league in 2010 (and led the that run in ws), but yeah Kobe carried that team into the finals. Have a heart attack and die you old bastard.

Kobe has his share of Finals choke jobs, to be sure. But the man was easily the best player on the floor in the majority of his WCF's, playing alongside Shaq, and going up against Duncan.

Shaq would never have sniffed his last two rings and FMVPs in LA without riding Kobe thru the WCF's.

And Kobe demolished Duncan's Spurs in '08.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Smoke is such a hypocritical moron.

"Durr Pau led the team in WS, he led the team"

Meanwhile when the guy leading the 01 lakers in WS was Kobe, this idiot still claims he was carried and his ring means nothing.

Don't waste your time with this goof.

[IllegalD]

This is like the typical kobe stan dick sucker response...I didn't even know you were a kobe stan. I love the part about how Kobe carried the Lakers into the finals...he only had Pau who was a borderline top 10 player in the league in 2010 (and led the that run in ws), but yeah Kobe carried that team into the finals. Have a heart attack and die you old bastard.


Kobe lead the Lakers in playoff WS in 2001. Cherry-picking stats BACKFIRE, Wade-d*ck-sucking homo. :roll:

[Smoke117]

Kobe has his share of Finals choke jobs, to be sure. But the man was easily the best player on the floor in the majority of his WCF's, playing alongside Shaq, and going up against Duncan.

Shaq would never have sniffed his last two rings in LA without riding Kobe thru the WCF's.

And Kobe demolished Duncan's Spurs in '08.

Gasol put up 18/12/4/2/.584%ts in the first round, 23.5/14.5/2.8/2.8/.679% in the second round, and 20/7/4/2/.608%ts vs the Suns...how you going to sit here with a straight face and say Kobe carried the Lakers to finals in 2010? And this is without mentioning Odom who was their best rebounder and defensive player in that 2010 run.

[LAZERUSS]

Gasol put up 18/12/4/2/.584%ts in the first round, 23.5/14.5/2.8/2.8/.679% in the second round, and 20/7/4/2/.608%ts vs the Suns...how you going to sit here with a straight face and say Kobe carried the Lakers to finals in 2010? And this is without mentioning Odom who was their best rebounder and defensive player in that 2010 run.

Easily. And as nearly ALWAYS, he was BY FAR, the best player in the WCF's. And he LED his team. LED them. He was a true LEADER.

That's why I always get a kick out of those that blame Lebron for the Heat's 2011 Finals. It was WADE's team. And Fade couldn't get it done. Especially in the clinching game six loss.

After that Riley told Lebron to take over, and the rest was history.

[Smoke117]

Smoke is such a hypocritical moron.

"Durr Pau led the team in WS, he led the team"

Meanwhile when the guy leading the 01 lakers in WS was Kobe, this idiot still claims he was carried and his ring means nothing.

Don't waste your time with this goof.

Ahahahah, I literally put that ws part in as bait for kobe stans...too easy.

[Cold soul]

Ahahahah, I literally put that ws part in as bait for kobe stans...too easy.

Get that Wade dick out of your mouth ***. Don't you have something productive to do with your sad pathetic life.

[Smoke117]

Easily. And as nearly ALWAYS, he was BY FAR, the best player in the WCF's. And he LED his team. LED them. He was a true LEADER.

That's why I always get a kick out of those that blame Lebron for the Heat's 2011 Finals. It was WADE's team. And Fade couldn't get it done. Especially in the clinching game six loss.

After that Riley told Lebron to take over, and the rest was history.

Great...another ****ing mongoloid who thinks this is tennis and one guy does it all. It just kills you to know Wade is 3/5 and Ilt is 2/6 doesn't it?
I got some errands to run now and don't have anymore time to argue with some senile old man, later pops.

[j3lademaster]

They also had The Cavs sweeping, what's your point? Here you go... 10 better players:
1. MJ
2. Kareem
3. Magic
4. Bird
5. LeBron
6. Doc J
7. Duncan
8. Shaq
9. Russell
10. Big O
In no particular orderHow on God's green earth do you have Doc J over Shaq???

And Big O over Wilt???

Either you hate on the 60's as a whole and leave them both off, or you have Wilt the CLEARLY superior player who played in the same league as Oscar(so there's no era speculation) higher.

Then you have Lebron > Kobe, but Russell > Wilt? Because if you value individual impact you have to go with Lebron and Wilt, Russell is only > Wilt if you consider the rings... same as Kobe vs Lebron.

What's with these contradictions? Did you just tape a printout of the top 50 players names to the wall and throw darts at it?

[LAZERUSS]

And that 2010 Finals was my main point.

By the end of the 2010 Finals, Kobe was acknowledged as the best player on the planet. This following his 00-09 decade run, in which he RAN AWAY with the NBA Player of the Decade.

Since then Kobe was decimated with injuries, and lack of surrounding talent, and because of it, he has declined in these all-time rankings. Granted, Lebron has taken over in the last few years, and even I will probably move him past Kobe after this season, but at his peak, Kobe was recognized as Top-10 for sure.

[LAZERUSS]

Great...another ****ing mongoloid who thinks this is tennis and one guy does it all. It just kills you to know Wade is 3/5 and Ilt is 2/6 doesn't it?
I got some errands to run now and don't have anymore time to argue with some senile old man, later pops.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

All you need to know is that Russell's TEAMs held a 9-1 edge over Wilt's TEAMs in their 10 years in the league together...BUT, Chamberlain held a 7-2 margin in First team All-NBA Selections.

Virtually everyone who has ever actually studied NBA history would acknowledge that had Wilt and Russell swapped rosters, that Chamberlain would have wound up with considerably more rings than the two he did win. Hell, John Wooden claimed that Wilt likely would have had all of them.

In any case, where would a Wilt with say, "just" six rings rank all-time?

[Smoke117]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

All you need to know is that Russell's TEAMs held a 9-1 edge over Wilt's TEAMs in their 10 years in the league together...BUT, Chamberlain held a 7-2 margin in First team All-NBA Selections.

Virtually everyone who has ever actually studied NBA history would acknowledge that had Wilt and Russell swapped rosters, that Chamberlain would have wound up with considerably more rings than the two he did win. Hell, John Wooden claimed that Wilt likely would have had all of them.

In any case, where would a Wilt with say, "just" six rings rank all-time?

LOL...gotta love how it's about TEAMS when it comes to Wilt, but in the Wade and Kobe discussion, it was all about individual players. How come Wilt couldn't carry his team to the championship like Kobe did? Maybe Kobe is top 10 as his impact individually is better than Wilt apparently. You are a hypocrite and a ****ing retard.

[ArbitraryWater]

Laz is such an obvious hypocrite right now :lol

[TheMarkMadsen]

Ahahahah, I literally put that ws part in as bait for kobe stans...too easy.


So you're either admitting that you're a troll, therefore nothing you say should be taken seriously.

Or

You're an idiot trying to cover his ass after getting his double standard exposed.

I'm going to guess its a little bit of both.

[Smoke117]

So you're either admitting that you're a troll, therefore nothing you say should be taken seriously.

Or

You're an idiot trying to cover his ass after getting his double standard exposed.

I'm going to guess its a little bit of both.

This is ish...everyone is a troll here...and slipping in something during a legit post isn't being a troll idiot...it's just ****ing around. I guess you are the poster we should all measure up to? Some kobe dick sucker whose every remark is agenda driven to push "kobe's greatness". To be fair though...you aren't as obnoxious as you were before...I guess maybe you finally hit adulthood...

[LAZERUSS]

LOL...gotta love how it's about TEAMS when it comes to Wilt, but in the Wade and Kobe discussion, it was all about individual players. How come Wilt couldn't carry his team to the championship like Kobe did? Maybe Kobe is top 10 as his impact individually is better than Wilt apparently. You are a hypocrite and a ****ing retard.

Wade's impact was far less than Wilt's, that's why.

Chamberlain single-handedly carried last place rosters to within an eyelash of beating Russell's 60+ win Celtics twice. And badly outplayed him in two more with far inferior rosters. And, when he finally had roster that was the equal of Russell's, and healthy...he and his Sixers wiped the floor with Russell and the "Dynasty."

Wade carried one team on his back to a title, and nothing close after that...until Lebron arrived. He was either missing the post-season, or not making it past the first round in the four seasons after Shaq left, and before Lebron arrived. His overall IMPACT was practically nil.

I'll be the first to admit that Kobe took a back-seat to Shaq from '00-02, albeit, Bean was the main reason they even reached the Finals in '01 and '02. And Kobe killed the '04 Lakers in the Finals (well, Jackson was badly outcoached by Brown, as well.)

Again, this is a ridiculous discussion. Wade has no business even being in the conversation with Kobe, and only a complete idiot would make such a claim.

[INDI]

Seems to me that you forgot someone who has 5 rings, 3 FMVPs, 2 MVPs, 15 All-Star, 15 All-NBA, 15 All-Defensive teams.

I didn't forget, I got Duncan at 12 (which is not a knock) there just isn't enough room in the top 10 when you got roughly 15 guys worthy of a spot. I have Duncan as 12th because though he is probably the most fundamentally sound big man of alltime he is the only one on that list that didn't bring a transformation to the way players had to play in the league. My 11-15 is this

Russell
Duncan
Dr J
Moses Malone
Jerry West

Hm Elgin Baylor (not sure how to rank him but it's possible that he should be in that 11-15 slot)

[TheMarkMadsen]

This is ish...everyone is a troll here...and slipping in something during a legit post isn't being a troll idiot...it's just ****ing around. I guess you are the poster we should all measure up to? Some kobe dick sucker whose every remark is agenda driven to push "kobe's greatness". To be fair though...you aren't as obnoxious as you were before...I guess maybe you finally hit adulthood...


Censored words, edited multiple times, going on some off topic tangent.

Yup, classic Smoke meltdown.

[branslowski]

So you're either admitting that you're a troll, therefore nothing you say should be taken seriously.

Or

You're an idiot trying to cover his ass after getting his double standard exposed.

I'm going to guess its a little bit of both.


It's been like this for years bro, u ether the haters with facts then they continue on with smiles and BS but no facts to disclaim ur points.:oldlol:

Why is Kobe Top 10?

Kobe Top 5 in points all time
Kobe Top 5 in Playoff points All Time
Kobe Top 5 in Playoff Steals All Time
Kobe Top 5 in All NBA First Team All Time
Kobe Top 5 in All NBA Defensive First Team All Time
Kobe Top 5 in All Star Starting Selections All Time (4 time MVP)
5 rings and 2 Finals MVPs. Top 8 in combination of Titles and Finals MVPs along side Jordan, Magic, Kareem, Duncan exc..

25-5-5 career avg, more points and assist than Bird, the guy yawl place above him. Also more Titles snd same number of Finals Mvps than Bird.

25+ 50pt games, only MJ n Wilt with more.

I mean seriously, with no biased for either side (meaning Kobe stans thinking Kobe is GOAT and Kobe haters having him out of Top 10) Kobe is factually in the Top 8 All Time. Don't just go by ESPN who has Bron top 3 All Time.:facepalm

[Smoke117]

Censored words, edited multiple times, going on some off topic tangent.

Yup, classic Smoke meltdown.

Yeah...using a colorful vocabulary = melting down. The stupid ****s on here give me a headache. :facepalm

[Gileraracer]

He has more than twice Lebalds rings. enough said

[SouBeachTalents]

Laz you are a hypocrite when it comes to this issue. Literally every time Wilt loses, it's his teams/coaches fault and he never gets a fraction of the blame, but when Wade drops 33/6/7 on 56% against the Celtics and loses, it's on him. Why does Wilt get the bad team excuse but not Wade in 2010?

[90sgoat]

I have Kobe barely top 10 because he won 5 rings and won with two different groups. I still think he was a selfish ball hog, but his skill levels was high.

[LAZERUSS]

Laz is such an obvious hypocrite right now :lol

I have Kobe at #8, and Lebron at #9, and have acknowledged that LBJ will move past Kobe at the end of this post-season.

BTW, it will take more than another ring for him to move into #7.

I don't put nearly as much emphasis on TEAM accomplishments, as I do on GREAT play.

Let me give you an example...

Chamberlain was traded at mid-season in '65, for three players, to a team that had gone 34-46 the year before. And even with Chamberlain, they only finished 40-40. Then, Wilt dominated Oscar's 48-32 Royals in a first round romp, and carried that mediocre roster up against a 62-18 Celtics team at the peak of their dynasty. Chamberlain's Sixers lost a game seven by one point (and Wilt had scored Philly's last eight points to pull them within one.) In that game seven, he scored 30 points, on 12-15 from the field, and with 32 rebounds. For the series he just brutalized Russell in every facet of the game, including blocked shots. He averaged 30.1 ppg, 31.4 rpg, and shot .555 from the field (and BTW, he outshot Russell from the line, .583 to .472.) It was one of the biggest beat-downs, if not the biggest beatdown, ever administered by one GOAT upon another.

Russell went on to demolish the Lakers in the Finals, but one can only imagine the carnage that Wilt would have left had he been as fortunate to have faced that Laker team. In any case, Russell added another ring to his resume, in a series in which he was carpet-bombed by Wilt.

[knicksman]

If you understand basketball beyond stats, youll judge a player based on his scoring skillset not stats just like you judge a person based on math instead of gpa if you want to determine whos smarter.

[LAZERUSS]

Laz you are a hypocrite when it comes to this issue. Literally every time Wilt loses, it's his teams/coaches fault and he never gets a fraction of the blame, but when Wade drops 33/6/7 on 56% against the Celtics and loses, it's on him. Why does Wilt get the bad team excuse but not Wade in 2010?

I already explained the ENTIRE issue. Wade and his team were wiped out in the FIRST ROUND, and nearly SWEPT. Kobe was playing in a seven game FINALS. And he was brilliant in getting his team into the Finals.

Meanwhile, give me Wade's post-season resume up to the post-season. True, had carried one team to a title, but even that was tainted by very suspicious officiating...and then how about the next four post-seasons? Three first round exits (one a sweep, and another a near sweep), and then missing a post-season in a season in which his team went 10-41 WITH him.

I'm sorry...but at the end of the 2010 Finals...Kobe was CLEARLY the best player in the game. Wade wasn't even in the discussion, and Lebron's legacy took a huge hit when he basically waved the white flag in his last two playoff games that season.

As for Wilt...again, taking pure trash rosters to within an eyelash of beating HOF-laden rosters. And when he had an EQUAL roster, he and his Sixers annihilated a 60-21 eight-time defending champion, in a series in which he just destroyed Russell.