Durant/Westbrook's ineptness proves MJ is goat and Bulls > GSW

[3ball]

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It's a tight series even though Durant/Westbrook are inept.

Westbrook shot 33% (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201566/stats/shooting/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Playoffs) on jumpshots in this series, and only 16% of them were assisted by teammates... :eek: ... That's bad for the team since assisted shots increase the team's assist capacity... Otoh, Jordan shot 41.5% (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/shooting/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs) on jumpshots in the 1997 playoffs, with 48% of them being assisted.. For their careers, Jordan shoots nearly 10 percentage points better than Westbrick.

Not surprisingly, Jordan's Bulls played a vastly superior and more effective brand of basketball than OKC, so they would destroy these Warriors considering how close the inept Durant and Westbrick are to beating them.
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[elementally morale]

Everything it the world does, right.
The Earth orbiting the Sun proves MJ is blahblahblah.

[3ball]

Everything it the world does, right.
The Earth orbiting the Sun proves MJ is goat


Jordan averaged 30-45 ppg with good efficiency in various series against Drexler, Rodman, Mason, Mckey, Dennis Johnson, Penny, Dumars - and that was WITH hand-checking and WITHOUT teammates spacing the floor for him like today's game..

So how would he do against Klay and Curry WITHOUT hand-checking and WITH teammates spacing the floor for him?.. :eek:

[elementally morale]

Please tell me more about this Jordan cat. I tried to google him but found nothing.

[3ball]

Please tell me more about this Jordan cat. I tried to google him but found nothing.
Jordan had superior per possession efficiency (ortg), which is more important than Curry's shooting efficiency - shooting efficiency FALLS UNDER THE UMBRELLA of per-possession efficiency.. Jordan's superior per possession efficiency was due to much better midrange (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12373019&postcount=26) efficiency, and far less turnovers.

Jordan's higher efficiency is remarkable considering he carried a bigger load: he produced a higher proportion of his team's points and assists with far less turnovers, while also carrying a bigger load on defense.

Jordan was superior on both ends, even though Curry's teammates spaced the floor for him, and Jordan's didn't - Jordan's Bulls only attempted 5 threes per game in 1991, compared to 25 per game for today's teams (30 per game for the Warriors and Cavs).. Accordingly, his stats would explode in today's spaced-out game.

Just look at Lebron and Westbrook - Jordan has same or better athleticism, but they can't shoot (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12389778&postcount=41), whereas he had goat midrange efficiency, much better than Curry's (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12373019&postcount=26).. Essentially, MJ had Lebron/Westbrook's athleticism with better jumpshooting inside 20 feet than Curry.. yikes... can you say, goat?

[SouBeachTalents]

Please tell me more about this Jordan cat. I tried to google him but found nothing.

All I found was he went 1-9 and his team won 55 games without him

[elementally morale]

Interesting. Thank you.

[3ball]

MJ's team won 55 games without him


The 1994 Bulls were eliminated in 2nd Round, while Curry's team made the conference Finals without him - Jordan's 3-peat to 2nd Round impact is the greatest impact on a decent team.





MJ's team won 55 games without him



Jordan also had the greatest impact on a lottery team:



In 1989, the 47-win Bulls would've missed the 45-win playoff cut without Jordan's 33/8/8.. So heading into the 1990 season without Jordan, they were a lottery roster and headed nowhere - but WITH Jordan, they were ECF veterans and 1 season away from starting a 6-peat dynasty.. Massive difference.


Btw, Jordan carried his 1989 lottery roster to 6 games with the champs just like Lebron did in 2015 - except Jordan led that lottery roster all season, while Lebron only led a lottery roster beginning in the Finals when everyone was hurt.



Also, Jordan faced EVERY POSSESSION double-teaming in 1989 Playoffs, especially against the Pistons' "Jordan Rules" in ECF.. Here's an example from Game 6, starting at the 9 minute mark (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4W_0I82B18&t=1h21m11s) of 4th quarter - MJ is double-teamed 10 of 13 times he touched the ball to finish out the game.. All 10 double-teams shown are shown in gifs here (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11703590&postcount=88).

In comparison to Jordan being double-teamed 10+ times per QUARTER, Lebron was double-teamed a total of 18 times in the ENTIRE 2015 Finals:




"When James was double-teamed, the Cavaliers scored 5 points on 2-of-18 shooting".

http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/106718/iguodala-heads-all-playoff-defensive-team

[elementally morale]

Ooops. I didn't know that. Did he win a ring though?

[3ball]

Did he win a ring though?



MJ carried a lottery roster to 6 games with the champs in 1989, just like Lebron did in 2015, except Jordan carried his lottery roster ALL SEASON, while Lebron only carried a lottery roster starting in the Finals.

Jordan also led that SAME lottery roster to a 3-peat, while Lebron will go 2/7.





Ooops. I didn't know that.



Bigger Overachievement: Jordan's 1989 Playoff Run vs. Lebron's 2007:


Jordan's Bulls were 47-25 and the 6 seed.
Lebron's Cavs were 50-32 and the 2 seed.


1st Round Jordan: CLE...(#3 seed, 57-25, #2 ranked defense... 40.0.. 6.0.. 8.1.. 51.8% FG)
1st Round Lebron: WSH (#7 seed, 41-41, #28 ranked defense.. 27.0.. 8.5.. 7.5.. 42.5% FG)

2nd Round Jordan: NYK (#2 seed, 52-30, #10 ranked defense... 35.5.. 9.5.. 8.3.. 55.0% FG)
2nd Round Lebron: NJN (#6 seed, 41-41, #15 ranked defense... 24.7.. 7.3.. 8.5.. 42.3% FG)

Conf. Finals Jordan: DET (#1 seed, 62-30, #3 ranked defense... 30.0.. 5.5.. 6.5.. 46.0% FG)
Conf. Finals Lebron: DET (#1 seed, 53-29, #7 ranked defense... 25.7.. 9.1.. 8.5.. 44.9% FG)
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[elementally morale]

This is a tough choice to make. I need more info.

[3ball]

This is a tough choice to make. I need more info.


Like what?

Jordan's team was a far lower seed that played teams with far better records and defenses, yet he put up far better stats and overachieved his seeding far more.. :confusedshrug:

And we saw how 22 year-old Lebron played against the Spurs' championship team and #1 defense (22 ppg on 35%) - that's a far cry from 22-year old Jordan's performance against the 86' Celtics and their #1 defense (44 ppg on 50%).
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[Ass Dan]

unless elementally morale is 3Ball and he is trolling himself to pump up MJ this is one of the best threads I have read in a while.

[riseagainst]

MJ died several years ago. His music will live on forever, but I did not know he played profession basketball.

[3ball]

:rolleyes:

[3ball]

I did not know Westbrook played profession basketball.


Westbrook's poor shooting is COMMON among today's top wings.. Just look at Lebron - his midrange efficiency is below 40% for 10 of 13 seasons (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12389794&postcount=17), while his career 3-point percentage is 31% in the playoffs.

The reality is that Lebron, Westbrook, Wade, Derozan and Butler ALL (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12389778&postcount=41) have sub-par 3-point and midrange efficiency, but they're still top scorers because today's spacing and hands-off defense allows athletic players easier access to the rim than ever before.

MJ's athleticism would benefit the same way, except he was a goat midrange shooter, much better than Curry (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12373019&postcount=26) - so MJ had Lebron and Westbrook's athleticism, but with better midrange shooting than Steph Curry.. Sounds like the goat.
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