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Im Still Ballin
05-31-2016, 02:53 AM
I've done a broadstrokes hypothesis analogram of all the Facebook and instagram comments, as well as all the online forum comments

The consensus seems to be the Warriors backed to win in 4-5 games

Cavs are massive underdogs yet again

AirBonner
05-31-2016, 02:56 AM
I've done a broadstrokes hypothesis analogram of all the Facebook and instagram comments, as well as all the online forum comments

The consensus seems to be the Warriors backed to win in 4-5 games

Cavs are massive underdogs yet again
Agree. If the cavs win one game I'd be surprised

warriorfan
05-31-2016, 02:58 AM
I've done a broadstrokes hypothesis analogram of all the Facebook and instagram comments, as well as all the online forum comments

The consensus seems to be the Warriors backed to win in 4-5 games

Cavs are massive underdogs yet again

Makes sense, by this time pretty much everyone has wised up about how LeBron chokes in the finals

Im Still Ballin
05-31-2016, 03:01 AM
Makes sense, by this time pretty much everyone has wised up about how LeBron chokes in the finals
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CjwclnpUgAIynhX.jpg

KingPush
05-31-2016, 03:02 AM
Warriors are huge overdogs

bigkingsfan
05-31-2016, 03:04 AM
The story of Lebron's career.

ortonsaw
05-31-2016, 03:05 AM
is this Lebron23?
both of them love making stupid pointless threads like this

inclinerator
05-31-2016, 03:10 AM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CjwclnpUgAIynhX.jpg
those are the big three numbers right? cant be from 1 person

Prime_Shaq
05-31-2016, 03:18 AM
I thought even God wanted LeBron to win?

Meticode
05-31-2016, 03:38 AM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CjwclnpUgAIynhX.jpg
He was horribly inefficient though shooting not even 40% from the field with 3.5 turnovers, but honestly that deplete Cavs team had no other choice. It was impressive they even managed to get 2 wins in that series.

Im Still Ballin
05-31-2016, 03:41 AM
He was horribly inefficient though shooting not even 40% from the field with 3.5 turnovers, but honestly that deplete Cavs team had no other choice. It was impressive they even managed to get 2 wins in that series.
Rounded up he shot 40%

Ironically Kobe's finals FG%

We already know he was the best player in the series

I made a threade about it, breaking down the numbers

Basically put, The Cavs Offensive Rating dropped nearly 50% when LeBron sat on the bench

LootOP
05-31-2016, 03:42 AM
Massive Well Rested Dogs.

Meticode
05-31-2016, 03:46 AM
Rounded up he shot 40%

Ironically Kobe's finals FG%

We already know he was the best player in the series

I made a threade about it, breaking down the numbers

Basically put, The Cavs Offensive Rating dropped nearly 50% when LeBron sat on the bench
Oh I know, they had no other choice like I said.

sportjames23
05-31-2016, 03:58 AM
is this Lebron23?
both of them love making stupid pointless threads like this


He get banned?

coin24
05-31-2016, 04:56 AM
Who cares.. 2/7 party time:rockon: :cheers:

bobopenguin
05-31-2016, 05:10 AM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CjwclnpUgAIynhX.jpg

totally prove the myth:
1) bron statspadding
2) 2-7 for real

3ball
05-31-2016, 05:16 AM
Efficiency WITH Lebron James on the floor in 2015 Finals:

JR Smith
Delly
J. Jones
Shumpert

Total 56/171 (32.7%)


As you can see, those guys shot horribly WITH Lebron on the floor, which is pretty standard - it's become typical for Lebron's teammates to underperform alongside him in the Finals, for obvious reasons:

It's statistical fact (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11709473&postcount=1) that Lebron reduces his teammates' APG and increases their assisted rate, thus turning them from playmakers to play-finishers.. Not surprisingly, their simple, predictable play-finishing roles no longer find success against the best playoff teams.. :confusedshrug:

Unfortunately, by reducing teammates to play-finishers, Lebron promotes a sophomoric brand of basketball that can't succeed against the best playoff teams, who invariably play a superior brand of basketball.. Guys like Patty Mills and Boris Diaw are tasked with MAKING PLAYS for the Spurs - they aren't just play-finishers like Shumpert and JR Smith (who are actually more talented).

With teammates playing under capacity, the TEAM plays under capacity and eventually loses to an opponent they had the capacity to beat (i.e. losing as the favorite in 2009 ECF, 2010 ECSF, and 2011 Finals, or losing when it was 50/50 - 2014 Finals) (http://www.nj.com/knicks/index.ssf/2014/06/nba_finals_2014_experts_predict_whether_the_heat_o r_spurs_will_come_out_on_top_in_the_finals_rematch .html).

Ultimately, Lebron's reduction of teammates into play-finishers prevents the kind of equal-opportunity offenses that the Mavs, Spurs, Warriors, and 90's Bulls used (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIY_4vIxGEE&t=23m40s), where all 5 guys share the playmaking duties - since Lebron prevents the best brand of basketball, his teams are susceptible to equal or less-talented opponents pulling upsets by playing a better brand of basketball (2009, 2011, 2014).

Now the question is WHY SPECIFICALLY does Lebron turn teammates into play-finishers?.. It's because he employs a point guard style from the forward position - this adds a 2nd low-assisted, high time of possession player IN ADDITION to the existing point guard, which gives teammates less opportunity to assist and less time with the ball than other teams whose forwards have normal assisted rates and time of possession.

That's the difference between 2/6 underachievement and 6/6 perfection: MJ's off-ball style got the most out of his teammates (elevates teammates), so the team plays to capacity and never loses as the favorite, while Lebron's ball-dominance turns teammates into play-finishers, leading to team underperformance and losing as the favorite.

Blue&Orange
05-31-2016, 06:31 AM
Cavs a $190 million roster that that swept the bloodbath east. If anything they are massive favorites and losing would be another massive failure for the king.

Gileraracer
05-31-2016, 06:43 AM
I predict 39% from Lebron