Greatest impact on a lottery roster?

[3ball]

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In 1989, the 47-win Bulls would've missed the 45-win playoff cut without Jordan's 33/8/8.

So that was a LOTTERY roster in 1989, which Jordan led to a 3-peat beginning in 1991.

Has anyone done more with a lottery roster?

[KingPush]

Lmao how do you average 33/8/8 and be 2 games away from missing the playoffs :oldlol:

Dude is the definition of empty stats

[3ball]

Lmao how do you average 33/8/8 and be 2 games away from missing the playoffs :oldlol:

Dude is the definition of empty stats


The supporting cast only added enough help on top of Jordan's 33/8/8 to win 47 games - compare that to Lebron's 2009 supporting cast, which added enough help on top of his 28/8/7 to win 66 games.

The only possible reasons for the Cavs winning 19 more games despite Lebron's inferior production is that Lebron's supporting cast was better and/or they played inferior competition.. Obviously, the 19 additional wins isn't ONLY due to inferior competition - it's due to better supporting cast as well.
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[SAKOTXA]

The supporting cast only added enough help on top of Jordan's 33/8/8 to win 47 games - compare that to Lebron's 2009 supporting cast, which added enough help on top of his 28/8/7 to win 66 games.

The only possible reasons for the Cavs winning 19 more games despite Lebron's inferior production is that Lebron's supporting cast was better and/or they played inferior competition.. Obviously, the 19 additional wins isn't ONLY due to inferior competition - it's due to better supporting cast as well.
That's not how basketball works you imbecile. I'm almost done with this forum, retards and trolls everywhere.

[3ball]

That's not how basketball works you imbecile. I'm almost done with this forum, retards and trolls everywhere.
You're forgetting that the Bulls were only a 6-seed in 1989 - their upsets of higher seeds in the 1st and 2nd Round shows the team was playing to maximum capacity and used a superior brand of basketball to overcome their favored opponents..

Otoh, Lebron's team was a heavily-favored 1-seed that was upset by a lower seed, showing the team was not playing to maximum capacity or a superior brand of basketball.
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[aj1987]

Lmao how do you average 33/8/8 and be 2 games away from missing the playoffs :oldlol:

Dude is the definition of empty stats
:roll: :roll:

The 2nd GOAT of empty stats after Ilt Chokerlain.

[knicksman]

Lottery team-bran and jordan

But what matters is how much you can give on an already stacked team. And this is where curry and kobe shines. Thats why its easier to win with them than bran

[aj1987]

Lottery team-bran and jordan

But what matters is how much you can give on an already stacked team. And this is where curry and kobe shines. Thats why its easier to win with them than bran
The most efficient poster on this board. 100% retarded posts.

[knicksman]

The most efficient poster on this board. 100% retarded posts.

I know aj. You dont have the iq to understand more complicated things AKA a bran stan. So leave it to the big boys to discuss them, ok?

[aj1987]

I know aj. I dont have the iq to understand more complicated things AKA a Chokebe stan. So leave it to the small boys to discuss them, ok?
Understood, Real14. How many alts do you have, BTW? Honest question.

[knicksman]

Understood, Real14. How many alts do you have, BTW? Honest question.


Alts-go to move when you get owned

[aj1987]

Alts-go to move when you get owned
Are you incapable of answering a simple question, or am I expecting too much from you?

[3ball]

Lottery team-bran and jordan



Jordan had the goat impact on DECENT teams:



The Bulls went from 3-peat dynasty WITH him, to 2nd Round team WITHOUT him.

Interestingly, the Bulls' DRtg in 1994 (6th) wasn't any better relative to the league than the first 3-peat (7th, 4th, 7th).. Accordingly, the massive decline from 3-peat dynasty to 2nd Round team was due entirely to the absence of MJ's goat offense (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12082990&postcount=185), which caused their ORtg to crater from #1 all-time (during the 3-peat) to 14th in the league in 1994.




Jordan had the goat impact on LOTTERY teams:



In 1989, the 47-win Bulls would've missed the 45-win playoff cut without Jordan's 33/8/8.. So that was a LOTTERY roster in 1989, which Jordan led to a 3-peat beginning in 1991.

Without Jordan heading into the 1990 season, the Bulls would've been a lottery roster and headed nowhere, instead of ECF veterans and 1 season away from starting a 6-peat.. Massive difference.

Btw, Jordan carried his 1989 lottery roster to 6 games with the champs just like Lebron did in 2015 - except Jordan led that lottery roster all season, while Lebron only led a lottery roster beginning in the Finals when everyone was hurt.



Also, Jordan faced EVERY POSSESSION double-teaming in 1989 Playoffs, especially against the Pistons' "Jordan Rules" in ECF.. Here's an example from Game 6, starting at the 9 minute mark (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4W_0I82B18&t=1h21m11s) of 4th quarter - MJ is double-teamed 10 of 13 times he touched the ball to finish out the game.. All 10 double-teams shown are shown in gifs here (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11703590&postcount=88).

In comparison to Jordan being double-teamed 10+ times per QUARTER, Lebron was double-teamed a total of 18 times in the ENTIRE 2015 Finals:




"When James was double-teamed, the Cavaliers scored 5 points on 2-of-18 shooting".

http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/106718/iguodala-heads-all-playoff-defensive-team

[knicksman]

Are you incapable of answering a simple question, or am I expecting too much from you?

:sleeping just give it up aj. You got owned. So log off. Improve your trolling skills and come back when youre ready

[Im Still Ballin]

LeBron

AND IT AINT CLOSE JOSE!

Takes a starting lineup of Drew Gooden, Zilgauskas, Larry Hughes and Sasha Pavlovic to the NBA finals

Turned a garbage Cleveland team into a 66 and 62 win 1st seeds

He leaves, they have the 2nd worst record in the league

Even went to Miami, won em 2 chips and left.. They replaced him with 3 all-star tier players and they still couldn't get the 38 wins required

In games he hasn't played since returning to Cleveland

2-14

[3ball]

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Bigger Overachievement: Jordan's 1989 Playoff Run vs. Lebron's 2007:


Jordan's Bulls were 47-25 and the 6 seed.
Lebron's Cavs were 50-32 and the 2 seed.


1st Round Jordan: CLE...(#3 seed, 57-25, #2 ranked defense... 40.0.. 6.0.. 8.1.. 51.8% FG)
1st Round Lebron: WSH (#7 seed, 41-41, #28 ranked defense.. 27.0.. 8.5.. 7.5.. 42.5% FG)

2nd Round Jordan: NYK (#2 seed, 52-30, #10 ranked defense... 35.5.. 9.5.. 8.3.. 55.0% FG)
2nd Round Lebron: NJN (#6 seed, 41-41, #15 ranked defense... 24.7.. 7.3.. 8.5.. 42.3% FG)

Conf. Finals Jordan: DET (#1 seed, 62-30, #3 ranked defense... 30.0.. 5.5.. 6.5.. 46.0% FG)
Conf. Finals Lebron: DET (#1 seed, 53-29, #7 ranked defense... 25.7.. 9.1.. 8.5.. 44.9% FG)

[3ball]

Takes a starting lineup of Drew Gooden, Zilgauskas, Larry Hughes and Sasha Pavlovic to the NBA finals


That means nothing because his stats were sub-par during his 2007 playoff run (see previous post) - the only reason he made the Finals with such average performance is because East competition was THAT bad.





Turned a garbage Cleveland team into a 66 and 62 win 1st seeds


Lebron's 2009 supporting cast added enough help on top of his 28/8/7 to win 66 games - compare that to Jordan's 1989 cast, which only added enough help on top of his 33/8/8 to win 47 games.

The only possible reasons for the Cavs winning 19 more games despite Lebron's inferior production is that Lebron's supporting cast was better and/or they played inferior competition.. Obviously, the 19 additional wins isn't ONLY due to inferior competition - it's due to better supporting cast as well.





He leaves Clevland and they drop to 2nd worst record in the league


Lebron left with his 30 ppg, but Mo Williams/Varejao/Shaq/Delonte/Zydrunas ALSO left with their combined 52 ppg.





Even went to Miami, won em 2 chips and left


He teamed up with TWO other guys with top 5 PER's and he only goes 2/4.

Jordan went 6/6 with less.

[aj1987]

:sleeping just give it up aj. You got owned. So log off. Improve your trolling skills and come back when youre ready
Hold the L, little man.

[knicksman]

Hold the L, little man.



:lol aj, my whipping boy

[aj1987]

:lol aj, my whipping boy
Do you retarded Chokebe turds ever talk about actually basketball or is that too difficult for you with yourpea sized brains?