Warriors gameplan is almost entirely based on exploiting rules

[90sgoat]

I will say this as nicely as possible, most you lot are slow.

Slow in the head. Most of that is because you're dumb teens, but some are just slow. The most intelligent are Jordan and 80/90s fans. You the bess:cheers:

The Warriors are an exploititative team. Their gameplan is extremely era and rule based.

Let's see:

1) Defensive 3 seconds

This means opposing team can't camp their big center in the lane, which means Klay and particularly Curry can waltz into the paint for open layups. This means defenders have to sag off on Klay/Curry more than optimal.

2) No handchecking/No impeding

Like 1) this makes defenders sag off both Klay and Curry making it literally impossible to defend. Of course this is true for Lillard, Irving and many others too, but GSW exploit it like no others like with 1).

3) Moving screens

These take two forms. First is moving while setting the actual screen, sticking out a hip. Second is moving back and forth just before you 'officially' attempt to set a screen. This is the worse, because it allows Curry to choose which side to drive. 90% of screen todays would be called illegal in 80/90s.

4) Carry/Palming

8/10 of Currys fancy dribbles would be called carry and palming in the 80s and 90s.

Conclusion:

No team exploits the unbalanced And-1 rules of the current NBA. It would simply not be legal to play like GSW does in the 80s and 90s.

[Klayup]

Kind of like MJ's clear outs?

Or not being able to hard double Shaq?

Or Phil Jackson screaming for illegal defense calls?

Interesting...

EDIT: Since you're a 90's guy...how do you feel about Reggie Miller's leg kick?

[90sgoat]

Kind of like MJ's clear outs?

Or not being able to hard double Shaq?

Or Phil Jackson screaming for illegal defense calls?

Interesting...

EDIT: Since you're a 90's guy...how do you feel about Reggie Miller's leg kick?

MJ clearouts?

Lol ***** please, MJ played in the triangle and didn't ballhog.

Reggie Miller was annoying and a bit*ch, but there was only one of him, not like today.

[sd3035]

MJ clearouts?

Lol ***** please, MJ played in the triangle and didn't ballhog.

Reggie Miller was annoying and a bit*ch, but there was only one of him, not like today.

https://m.popkey.co/268c58/grZAZ.gif

[Klayup]

MJ clearouts?

Lol ***** please, MJ played in the triangle and didn't ballhog.

Reggie Miller was annoying and a bit*ch, but there was only one of him, not like today.
Uhmmm....you know they changed the rule because of Jordan right?? Where all four of his teammates would just go stand on the other side of the court so he could play 1on1?

And LOL at the Reggie hate. Doesn't quite fit your narrative huh?

Usually they only change rules when you... *ahem* "blatantly exploit" them homie.

[90sgoat]

Uhmmm....you know they changed the rule because of Jordan right?? Where all four of his teammates would just go stand on the other side of the court so he could play 1on1?

Usually they only change rules when you... *ahem* "blatantly exploit" them homie.

Lol dumbass, that's blatantly false, MJ was mainly an off ball player and took 1-2 seconds to make a move.

You're thinking of Charles Barkley.

Seriously, you're slow, slow in the head.

[warriorfan]

my income is almost entirely based on exploiting ops mom

[90sgoat]

my income is almost entirely based on exploiting ops mom

You're not only slow but also a bi*tch who doesn't dare post on his real account duing games.

[Showtime80']

I'm an 80's guy through and through everybody knows this! But I can't fault the Warriors for PLAYING TO THEIR STRENGTH!!! That's more than I can say for the other 29 teams in the NBA who are basically saying f!ck it, we're gonna play like the Warriors regardless of personnel and system!!!

The Thunder lost games six and seven by 7 and 8 points respectively and went 10-50 from 3 point range in those games!!! 10 OF F!CKING 50!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And later in the press conference Dumb and Dumber (Durant and Brickhouse) have the balls to say "We just missed open shots". Well guess what chief? If you're going 10-50 from 3 point range YOU ABSOLUTELY SU!K AT 3 POINT SHOOTING!!!

If the thunder would've shot 50 2's and made at least HALF OF THEM in those two games, that's 50 POINTS!!! Instead of the 30 they actually got from the brick fest from 3!

The Warriors are going to do what they do, and I can appreciate that. The problem comes, specifically for the Thunder, when you try to do what the Warriors are good at.

The Thunder learned the hard way.

[warriorfan]

You're not only slow but also a bi*tch who doesn't dare post on his real account duing games.

only have one account

been watching most of the playoff games out somewhere

you should try it sometime

[Klayup]

Lol dumbass, that's blatantly false, MJ was mainly an off ball player and took 1-2 seconds to make a move.

You're thinking of Charles Barkley.

Seriously, you're slow, slow in the head.
I'm thinking of who??
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1987-11-15/sports/8703260367_1_bulls-coach-doug-collins-operations-chief-jerry-krause-michael-jordan-rule

Lol. Were you even alive in 87?? Or did your old ass forget lol

[Klay 3D]

wtf is this sht. lol

[Prime_Shaq]

Rofl someone is mad salty

[90sgoat]

I'm thinking of who??
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1987-11-15/sports/8703260367_1_bulls-coach-doug-collins-operations-chief-jerry-krause-michael-jordan-rule

Lol. Were you even alive in 87?? Or did your old ass forget lol

That MJ was ball dominant before Phil is an accepted fact by everyone.

The great achievement by MJ was to accept to play off ball for greater team success.

You simply can't claim that MJ was clear out ball dominant in the two 3-peats because it isn't ture.

It was Barkley who took advantage of the rules and the rules changed because of Barkley and Marc Jackson.

[Overdrive]

my income is almost entirely based on exploiting ops mom

So you're a male prostitute? Seems about right.

[3ball]

That MJ was ball dominant before Phil is an accepted fact by everyone.


:biggums: .. :wtf:

Not true - quite the opposite - Jordan wasn't allowed to dominate the ball at North Carolina and so he never developed into that type of player.

You should be aware that the most-used driving method of point guards and also wings like Harden and Lebron is to pound the rock on a continuous basis (live-dribble) and then make their move to the hole.. Otoh, Jordan's most-used driving method was from the TRIPLE THREAT position (pre-dribble, stationary position), shown below, which is far less time-consuming than live dribbling (ball-dominance)


https://media.giphy.com/media/3o6EhFtrc1pK6B71aU/giphy.gif

https://media.giphy.com/media/yzS0PLIO5ndwQ/giphy.gif


Watch ANY game of Jordan's (other than 1989 when he played some PG), and you'll see that most of his points come off-ball and/or WITHOUT using live-dribbling (ball-domination).. Seriously - re-watch the highlights of Jordan's 63 point game against the Celtics, his 61 point game against the Atlanta Hawks, his 45 point game against the Spurs his rookie year, or ANY GAME and you'll see that he's always played off-ball and from the triple-threat.





You simply can't claim that MJ was clear out ball dominant in the two 3-peats because it isn't ture.


Don't let these trolls get to you - even if a rule existed that banned clearouts, it was introduced in 1987, which means that most of Jordan's career occurred with clearouts BANNED..

But in reality, THERE WAS NO RULE change that banned clearouts.. The only source of such a change is a half-quote from reporter Sam Smith while talking to the Chicago Tribune in 1987 - but there's zero mention of such a rule change on the NBA's webpage that lists the history of NBA rule changes:

http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_history.html


And again - Jordan has never been "clear-out ball-dominant".. Seriously, go re-watch some of his games - most of his points are achieved off-ball and/or from the triple threat - they're mostly NOT achieved via clearouts or live-dribbling ball-dominance.

No player ever has.. However, the most conspicuous example of a player being a "clear-out" player was Lebron in the 2015 Finals - I've never seen any player get anywhere NEAR this many clearouts in a single game.. Go ahead and refresh your memory of what a REAL "clear-out" player looks like:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=378398

[BlazerRed]

You forgot the illegal dirty plays that should get you suspended but instead you the other dude gets a foul :facepalm

[3ball]

You forgot the illegal dirty plays that should get you suspended but instead you the other dude gets a foul :facepalm
There were no such things as "flagrant" fouls back then.. It was essentially the "advanced" version of the game:

No flagrant fouls, no spacing, legal paint-camping, legal hand-checking - you need to be better at basketball to make great plays with these impediments.

Otoh, today's game doesn't have these impediments, so great plays are easier to make

The eras that shot more 2-pointers produced better basketball players because 2-pointers are far more CONTESTED and scored in far more WAYS.. Otoh, 3-pointers are mostly wide open (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=406865), catch-and-shoots.. This is why Lowry was 10th in MVP voting this year, compared to Shaq in 1996 - there are many such examples of the 2-pointer eras producing superior players.

[Kblaze8855]

And? You might as well say they play basketball. When there was no shot clock teams won by stalling to keep scores low vs better teams. When the lane was half the width it is now teams posted up every play since you could get 7-8 feet from the basket and post up all day. When you had to guard your man teams would put non options like Mark Eaton 20 feet from the basket to draw his defender at least partially that way. When you could clear out an entire half of the floor by exploiting that guys like MJ, Nique, and others would wave away the entire team and go one on one.

Teams find places to prosper within the rules of the moment.

[Smoke117]

meltdown

[90sgoat]

And? You might as well say they play basketball. When there was no shot clock teams won by stalling to keep scores low vs better teams. When the lane was half the width it is now teams posted up every play since you could get 7-8 feet from the basket and post up all day. When you had to guard your man teams would put non options like Mark Eaton 20 feet from the basket to draw his defender at least partially that way. When you could clear out an entire half of the floor by exploiting that guys like MJ, Nique, and others would wave away the entire team and go one on one.

Teams find places to prosper within the rules of the moment.

The NBA has changed the rules so much from the previous 50 years that it is a real stretch to call the game 'basketball' anymore.

It is something else now, a different sport.

[Kblaze8855]

Please. Its a stretch to call any version of the game since the 20s...basketball as it was originally played. Its no further away now than its been since WW2. There was a point in the 50s it changed yearly. Wilt changed half the rules. Hes the reason you cant jump at the Ft line, throw a ball over the backboard on an inbounds play, or goaltend on offense...and he personally forced basketball to expand the lane. Between 70 and 85 the nba changed more than it has lately. The 3 pointer came to the NBA(Game changer), they changed the rules on Fts and did away with 3 shots to make 2, rules changed on entering the lane on Ft attempts, they changed the blocking foul rules far as being able to force a player out of bounds(think for a moment if you could just push someone out and get the ball...it totally changes defense), they rebuilt the illegal defense rule in like 1983, they already had flagrant fouls in the 70s and rules changed defining them in I think 1982 and again in 91. The shot clock rules totally changed in the late 80s. You used to be able to throw it off the backboard to reset the shot clock. They stopped players from backing down from distance which was a huge part of the game at one point.

The game has been changing in major ways for a long time.

It has changed no more recently than it has in plenty of other times.

Way youre talking they would have had to rename it in the 30, 50s, 70s, and 80s.

Its all basketball.

[3ball]

When you had to guard your man teams would put non options like Mark Eaton 20 feet from the basket to draw his defender at least partially that way.



Why are you spreading misinformation??.. :biggums:

The "defensive areas" stipulated in the Illegal Defense Guidelines (http://nbahoopsonline.com/History/Leagues/NBA/Rules/Fouls.html) were wide and ALLOWED defenders to sag off shooters, like Paxson below - this was standard and specifically allowed by the Rules:


https://media.giphy.com/media/12hjUpLcOWhfa0/giphy.gif


Paxson is standing in the "middle defensive area", which was allowed by Rule 2d of the Illegal Defense Guidelines, anytime a defender's man is "above the foul line".






When you could clear out an entire half of the floor by exploiting that guys like MJ, Nique, and others would wave away the entire team and go one on one.



It's easier to clear out in today's game, since 3-point shooters draw defenders further to the weakside than ever before, as we saw repeatedly in the 2015 Finals:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/7-06-2015/uAh_p8.gif



Look how 3-point shooters draw defenders away from the player with the ball:


https://media.giphy.com/media/2cycnx2gLG8dq/giphy.gif.

[Kblaze8855]

Everyone old enough watched those non options get placed way out of the way to take their man with them because he had to at least pretend to be guarding him. I watched Karl Malone go one on one in the post with Eatons man 20 feet from the basket knowing he wouldnt get the ball too many times to care about a gif. The rest is just semantics.

[Derka]

My dude, get some vinegar and rub your crotchety self on some potato chips cos you're salty as f*ck.

Every other team has to play by these same rules. They're not special rules just for Golden State.

[Da_Realist]

I'm an 80's guy through and through everybody knows this! But I can't fault the Warriors for PLAYING TO THEIR STRENGTH!!! That's more than I can say for the other 29 teams in the NBA who are basically saying f!ck it, we're gonna play like the Warriors regardless of personnel and system!!!

The Thunder lost games six and seven by 7 and 8 points respectively and went 10-50 from 3 point range in those games!!! 10 OF F!CKING 50!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And later in the press conference Dumb and Dumber (Durant and Brickhouse) have the balls to say "We just missed open shots". Well guess what chief? If you're going 10-50 from 3 point range YOU ABSOLUTELY SU!K AT 3 POINT SHOOTING!!!

If the thunder would've shot 50 2's and made at least HALF OF THEM in those two games, that's 50 POINTS!!! Instead of the 30 they actually got from the brick fest from 3!

The Warriors are going to do what they do, and I can appreciate that. The problem comes, specifically for the Thunder, when you try to do what the Warriors are good at.

The Thunder learned the hard way.

You're exactly right but keep in mind, most players today don't have the skill and/or the will to work for their shots. It is so much easier to just jack up a long jumpshot especially if it will be worth 3 points! So instead of Ibaka doing the hard work of learning how to battle in the paint for positioning and being able to get off an efficient shot anytime the team desperately needs a score, he's been conditioned to wait at the three point line and hope Durant or Westbrook finds him open for the shot. Instead of Durant learning how to maximize his size and high release point by catching the ball in the post and shooting over his defender, he'd rather drive past his man or shoot a contested three after wasting 15 seconds of the shot clock. Multiply some variation of this by everyone on the team (and all teams) and you'll see why it's easy to shoot 10-50 from threes and not understand the self-defeating premise of shooting 50 three point shots when you have a size and athleticism advantage!

[3ball]

Everyone old enough watched those non options get placed way out of the way to take their man with them because he had to at least pretend to be guarding him. I watched Karl Malone go one on one in the post with Eatons man 20 feet from the basket knowing he wouldnt get the ball too many times to care about a gif. The rest is just semantics.
You're lying - Eaton's defender sagged off Eaton, just like the rules allowed - you cannot produce video showing Eaton's man hugging him at the 3-point line - that video doesn't exist.

The rules are clear (http://nbahoopsonline.com/History/Leagues/NBA/Rules/Fouls.html) in allowing defenders to sag off their man, and a cursory glance at ANY game and shows defenders routinely sagging off shooters just like today's game.. You sound like a fool by trying to deny the obvious facts and instead make up your own reality of how the game used to be.

[tpols]

the warriors are the opposite of exploiting new rules. New rules allow perimeter players to penetrate easier. Klay and Curry are completely capable of creating offense outside of the 3 pt line , which means they can dominate games without penetrating (or getting bs foul calls).

[pudman13]

The NBA has changed the rules so much from the previous 50 years that it is a real stretch to call the game 'basketball' anymore.

It is something else now, a different sport.

This is what I've been saying. If people like it better, they're lucky, but there are some of us who lament what we will never see again.

[90sgoat]

the warriors are the opposite of exploiting new rules. New rules allow perimeter players to penetrate easier. Klay and Curry are completely capable of creating offense outside of the 3 pt line , which means they can dominate games without penetrating (or getting bs foul calls).

It's really interesting how I am proved right with the 'slow' part.

You don't seem to realize the fundamental aspect of the thriple threat, but ok fundamentals are dead.

The thriple threat player (pass, shoot, drive) keeps his opponent on toes, can't guard too closely or you get blown by.

The different is that now because of the rules, every quick guard becomes a thriple threat player forcing defenders to sag off, leaving room to shoot.

[3ball]

The thriple threat PLAYER(pass, shoot, drive)


You said Jordan was a ball-dominant player before Phil, when that's completely false - it's ignorant of his game - he scored a small proportion of his points off-the-dribble.

It seems you need to refresh your memory - so go re-watch at ANY game - MJ scored most of his points off-ball or from the triple-threat position (pre-dribble, stationary position), or the post.

Maybe you don't know what the "triple threat POSITION" is, but you should google it or youtube.. It's basketball 101 (pre-dribble, stationary position)

[tpols]

It's really interesting how I am proved right with the 'slow' part.

You don't seem to realize the fundamental aspect of the thriple threat, but ok fundamentals are dead.

The thriple threat player (pass, shoot, drive) keeps his opponent on toes, can't guard too closely or you get blown by.

The different is that now because of the rules, every quick guard becomes a thriple threat player forcing defenders to sag off, leaving room to shoot.


what the hell are you talking about?


Curry and Klay have been dominating with live dribbles, PnRs where they drag big guy out and hit over fingertips, and spot up shots with guys blanketed all over them.


triple threat? that hasnt been their game at all. wow.. you are WAY off on this one, pal.

[Showtime80']

Beautiful, simple and to the point post Da Realist!!!

The modern basketball mentally from AAU onward that has been going on for years since Michael Jordan exploded in the late 80's, is making players actually MISMANAGE their physical and athletic gifts by completely MOVING AWAY from fundamentals and basketball IQ.

Michael Jordan had ALL TIME ATHLETIC ABILITY but that's not what made him the greatest. The fundamental mastery of basketball at a basic level from a young age to his three years under Dean Smith at UNC is what allowed him to absolutely blow the lid off the physical gifts he had. Go watch Michael Jordan from 1996 to 98', that was ALL FUNDAMENTALS AND BASKETBALL IQ! That Michael Jordan way of playing in those last few years CANNOT AND WILL NOT BE DUPLICATED by the modern players who play the game in a simple dumbed down nature just getting by on their athleticism. Once that's gone, they're going to be DONE!!!

Kevin Durant should have an absolutely UNSTOPPABLE POST GAME!!! But he does not have the mastery of basic principles of basketball positioning and footwork to utilize his physical gifts to the fullest potential in that area.

Hell Shaun Livingston, an bench scrub for the Warriors should actually hold friggin camps for NBA players on actually learning how to get good position in the post and getting a good shot off virtually ANY TIME YOU WANT!!!

The league is headed in a very DANGEROUS DIRECTION!

[90sgoat]

You said Jordan was a ball-dominant player before Phil, when that's completely false - it's ignorant of his game - he scored a small proportion of his points off-the-dribble.

It seems you need to refresh your memory - so go re-watch at ANY game - MJ scored most of his points off-ball or from the triple-threat position (pre-dribble, stationary position), or the post.

Maybe you don't know what the "triple threat POSITION" is, but you should google it or youtube.. It's basketball 101 (pre-dribble, stationary position)

I know full well what the thriple threath is and Jordan was a master at it, the best ever at it.

Doesn't change the fact that Jordan was more ball dominant in his pre-Phil years than later EVEN THOUGH he was much less ball dominant than current players like Lebron etc.

COMPARED to post-Phil he was more ball dominant, but yes, already as a rookie and young player he got points within the game, however he did look more his shot and got players less involved.

For example in the 2nd 3 peat Bulls would often get Longley going in the first quarter and MJ would be quit ON PURPOSE simply to get the others going. In his first couple of seasons MJ was all about attacking every play, from first second. This is the difference.

Not objectively ball dominant, but RELATIVELY more ball dominant.

[SexSymbol]

I will say this as nicely as possible, most you lot are slow.

Slow in the head. Most of that is because you're dumb teens, but some are just slow. The most intelligent are Jordan and 80/90s fans. You the bess:cheers:

The Warriors are an exploititative team. Their gameplan is extremely era and rule based.

Let's see:

1) Defensive 3 seconds

This means opposing team can't camp their big center in the lane, which means Klay and particularly Curry can waltz into the paint for open layups. This means defenders have to sag off on Klay/Curry more than optimal.

2) No handchecking/No impeding

Like 1) this makes defenders sag off both Klay and Curry making it literally impossible to defend. Of course this is true for Lillard, Irving and many others too, but GSW exploit it like no others like with 1).

3) Moving screens

These take two forms. First is moving while setting the actual screen, sticking out a hip. Second is moving back and forth just before you 'officially' attempt to set a screen. This is the worse, because it allows Curry to choose which side to drive. 90% of screen todays would be called illegal in 80/90s.

4) Carry/Palming

8/10 of Currys fancy dribbles would be called carry and palming in the 80s and 90s.

Conclusion:

No team exploits the unbalanced And-1 rules of the current NBA. It would simply not be legal to play like GSW does in the 80s and 90s.

Most of your points are just completely stupid.
You could palm the ball and dribble the same way in the 90s, nothing changed, just skill and preference.
First point is completely stupid, if you don't know anything about NBA strategy, why even bother?
Every team in the NBA does moving screens a few times a game and gets away with it.
Hand checking does close to nothing to players that focus mostly on shooting jumpshots

[90sgoat]

Most of your points are just completely stupid.
You could palm the ball and dribble the same way in the 90s, nothing changed, just skill and preference.
First point is completely stupid, if you don't know anything about NBA strategy, why even bother?
Every team in the NBA does moving screens a few times a game and gets away with it.
Hand checking does close to nothing to players that focus mostly on shooting jumpshots
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgMbhTj8HcU

"...Here's the problem, though: A good many players have changed the crossover into the carryover. What's worse, with very few exceptions, they're being allowed to blatantly palm the ball by referees on every level, which only encourages more illegal dribbles.

Even the inventor is disturbed by it.

"I never carried the ball," Hardaway said. "My hands stayed on top of the ball. I was never like Allen Iverson or some of the guys today who drag the ball and carry the ball in order to get around the defense...."

http://www.nba.com/2011/news/features/shaun_powell/07/12/hardaway-cross/

[SexSymbol]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgMbhTj8HcU

"...Here's the problem, though: A good many players have changed the crossover into the carryover. What's worse, with very few exceptions, they're being allowed to blatantly palm the ball by referees on every level, which only encourages more illegal dribbles.

Even the inventor is disturbed by it.

"I never carried the ball," Hardaway said. "My hands stayed on top of the ball. I was never like Allen Iverson or some of the guys today who drag the ball and carry the ball in order to get around the defense...."

http://www.nba.com/2011/news/features/shaun_powell/07/12/hardaway-cross/
Iverson came into the league in 96, that's the middle of the 90s.
Isiah used to do the "carry" crossover quite often too.
Opinions of a few bitter old players do not matter when you're arguing a fact

[tpols]

thats funny ..


I was watching the MJ documentary that was on in NBA TV on sunday I believe, and they had a clip of Dean Smith talking about how he got Jordan to master fundamentals at UNC, and Dean chuckles at the end when talking about college vs pros saying that pros could get away with anything they want (refering to traveling and dribbling) .. and that was in the early 80s ..


so you know all these 90s guys complaining about it today are completely full of sh!t.

[90sgoat]

Iverson came into the league in 96, that's the middle of the 90s.
Isiah used to do the "carry" crossover quite often too.
Opinions of a few bitter old players do not matter when you're arguing a fact

You have literally posted no FACTS.

There's a reason Hardway's crossover looked like that, because it was illegal to do the Iverson crossover and the Iverson crossover is what every single later player came to emulate.

[90sgoat]

thats funny ..


I was watching the MJ documentary that was on in NBA TV on sunday I believe, and they had a clip of Dean Smith talking about how he got Jordan to master fundamentals at UNC, and Dean chuckles at the end when talking about college vs pros saying that pros could get away with anything they want (refering to traveling and dribbling) .. and that was in the early 80s ..


so you know all these 90s guys complaining about it today are completely full of sh!t.

I think you honestly compete for most ignorant ISH poster.

Don't you realize it was true then too?

That the game has gotten consistently laxer with rules.

[SexSymbol]

You have literally posted no FACTS.

There's a reason Hardway's crossover looked like that, because it was illegal to do the Iverson crossover and the Iverson crossover is what every single later player came to emulate.
It wasn't illegal and for quite some time too.
Isiah used to do that in 91.
Watch some games man, have you never seen any of the early 90s MJ games or something?

[3ball]

thats funny ..


I was watching the MJ documentary that was on in NBA TV on sunday I believe, and they had a clip of Dean Smith talking about how he got Jordan to master fundamentals at UNC, and Dean chuckles at the end when talking about college vs pros saying that pros could get away with anything they want (refering to traveling and dribbling) .. and that was in the early 80s ..


so you know all these 90s guys complaining about it today are completely full of sh!t.
The 80's got away with way more shit than the 60's and 70's.

That's the way it goes as time goes on - but if one era had to play by the rules of the PREVIOUS era, they'd be screwed and worse ballplayers.

and OP is right - the Warriors stretch the rules more than anyone

[tpols]

The 80's got away with way more shit than the 60's and 70's.

That's the way it goes as time goes on - but if one era had to play by the rules of the PREVIOUS era, they'd be screwed and worse ballplayers.

and OP is right - the Warriors stretch the rules more than anyone

no ... you're just wrapped in an endless cycle of nostalgia. Sure there was a tipping point at some time, probably in the 70s, whenever it was, where it became "looser" and its been that way ever since. 90s Jordan era had one of the worst offenders of all time for this in Allen Iverson.. and he was allowed to do it whenever, however he wanted. Your idol MJ, too palming the ball with those mits all game long..


it doesnt depend on the era in this case but the player. For example look at dribbling motions of curry vs klay. Klay dribbles straight line old school style, while curry likes to dance. Both dominated, some players are looser with their handles than others and its been that way for many decades.

[oarabbus]

Clearly this guy lives in the past and didn't see Curry getting hand checked throughout multiple series

[LebronsHairline]

Then these guys are smart. You dumb-as-fvck if you don't. It's better than Lebron's gameplan which is: "Collude & Flop".

[FireDavidKahn]

Wow, GSW is winning by shooting 3s? I'm shocked that teams just figured this out after 36 years:oldlol:

GSW isn't transforming the NBA, they just happen to have some of, and do have the best, shooters ever.

[FKAri]

I like how OP was being harassed and called out by all the modern NBA fans in this thread so he threw a bone like "even MJ was ball dominant before Phil" to appease the mob and show he is beind unbiased. But 3ball appeared out of fukcing nowhere to start gnawing on that ONE thing :lol

3ball is omnipresent. If you even so much as sneeze he'll pop up to remind of MJ's flu game :lol

[90sgoat]

I like how OP was being harassed and called out by all the modern NBA fans in this thread so he threw a bone like "even MJ was ball dominant before Phil" to appease the mob and show he is beind unbiased. But 3ball appeared out of fukcing nowhere to start gnawing on that ONE thing :lol

3ball is omnipresent. If you even so much as sneeze he'll pop up to remind of MJ's flu game :lol
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[CuterThanRubio]

https://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/jordan2.gif?w=1000

Jordan was the carry king before Iverson came along!

:hammerhead:

[NBAGOAT]

I like how OP was being harassed and called out by all the modern NBA fans in this thread so he threw a bone like "even MJ was ball dominant before Phil" to appease the mob and show he is beind unbiased. But 3ball appeared out of fukcing nowhere to start gnawing on that ONE thing :lol

3ball is omnipresent. If you even so much as sneeze he'll pop up to remind of MJ's flu game :lol

:lol :lol

[tontoz]

The main rule they are exploiting is 3 > 2. They take far more contested 3s than anyone and are good enough to make them.

[BedroomBully]

MJ clearouts?

Lol ***** please, MJ played in the triangle and didn't ballhog.

Reggie Miller was annoying and a bit*ch, but there was only one of him, not like today.
LMAO LOL MJ didn't ball hog???

[scuzzy]

I like how OP was being harassed and called out by all the modern NBA fans in this thread so he threw a bone like "even MJ was ball dominant before Phil" to appease the mob and show he is beind unbiased. But 3ball appeared out of fukcing nowhere to start gnawing on that ONE thing :lol

3ball is omnipresent. If you even so much as sneeze he'll pop up to remind of MJ's flu game :lol
:lol

[sportjames23]

https://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/jordan2.gif?w=1000

Jordan was the carry king before Iverson came along!

:hammerhead:

Trolling, see their other posts