So another Finals where Lebron isn't expected to win

[lilteapot]

When he loses, he loses to the greatest team ever which is completely acceptable.

Tell me again why this should count AGAINST him because it makes him 2/7, to go against the GOAT team?

[sd3035]

His team is far more stacked. Bookies aren't stupid though, they know he's a perennial choker

[Kiddlovesnets]

Well Lebron going 2/7 may drop him out of top 10, only Jerry West from top 15 alltime list has a worse NBA Finals winning%.

[Klay 3D]

The only thing that will effect Lebron with another finals lost is Steph 1 upping him in the all-time GOAT ranks. Curry at #10 and Lebron at #11.

[lilteapot]

His team is far more stacked. Bookies aren't stupid though, they know he's a perennial choker
They aren't more stacked than the Warriors. Are you stupid?

[Hey Yo]

They aren't more stacked than the Warriors. Are you stupid?
Is that suppose to be a trick question?

:oldlol:

[Straight_Ballin]

Lebrontards were warned in 2011 by Cavs fans that this guy would ultimately have a losing finals record and not be in top 10 when it was all said and done and no one listened except for logical thinking fans who watched MJ.

I was correct in my assessment and it's a great feeling!


You are an idiot, stupid, and an imbecile if you think Curry is better than Lebron James.

Cavs are going to beat your bandwagon Team, and you gonna jump off the bridge.

Uh huh. Sure they will. You can keep thinking that 2/7 won't happen just like your cousins told you Dream would win in 94 and 95 and you said that wouldn't happen. You didn't learn to listen to people who know more about basketball than you then, and you still fail to listen now. When you gonna learn?

[Klay 3D]

You are an idiot, stupid, and an imbecile if you think Curry is better than Lebron James.

Cavs are going to beat your bandwagon Team, and you gonna jump off the bridge.
Paul George >> Lebron defensively

[MP.Trey]

Well Lebron going 2/7 may drop him out of top 10, only Jerry West from top 15 alltime list has a worse NBA Finals winning%.
Jerry West was 1/9 and he was dubbed "Mr. Clutch" and made the logo of the NBA. LeBron potentially goes 2/7 and he's a laughing stock for it. The NBA sure has changed.

[SpaceJam]

LeBron has been in so many finals where he 'isn't' expected to win, from 2007 to 2016. Maybe it's time to look at the common denominator bro, it's him, not the team. I'm not saying anything, I'm just saying, you get what I'm saying?

[lilteapot]

LeBron has been in so many finals where he 'isn't' expected to win, from 2007 to 2016. Maybe it's time to look at the common denominator bro, it's him, not the team. I'm not saying anything, I'm just saying, you get what I'm saying?

So 2007-

Lebron has a weak supporting cast and goes up against a dominant Spurs team

2011 - Totally his fault

2014 - Lebron plays exceptionally well, yet his teammates don't deliver. Wade plays extremely weak.

2015 - Loses 2 starters and is basically the only one delivering for his teammates. Supporting cast aside from Delly and Mozgov do not deliver.

only 1 of those losses is on him. Only an idiot would disagree.

[sd3035]

The Cavs have built a superteam with by far the highest payroll

The difference is that the Warriors have the best player in the world, the first ever unanimous MVP :applause: :applause:

[lilteapot]

The Cavs have built a superteam with by far the highest payroll

The difference is that the Warriors have the best player in the world, the first ever unanimous MVP :applause: :applause:

Nothing you're saying is even relevant to this thread. Go away.

[Kingwillball]

So 2007-

Lebron has a weak supporting cast and goes up against a dominant Spurs team

2011 - Totally his fault

2014 - Lebron plays exceptionally well, yet his teammates don't deliver. Wade plays extremely weak.

2015 - Loses 2 starters and is basically the only one delivering for his teammates. Supporting cast aside from Delly and Mozgov do not deliver.

only 1 of those losses is on him. Only an idiot would disagree.

Good post total truth..

[SpaceJam]

So 2007-

Lebron has a weak supporting cast and goes up against a dominant Spurs team

2011 - Totally his fault

2014 - Lebron plays exceptionally well, yet his teammates don't deliver. Wade plays extremely weak.

2015 - Loses 2 starters and is basically the only one delivering for his teammates. Supporting cast aside from Delly and Mozgov do not deliver.

only 1 of those losses is on him. Only an idiot would disagree.

I get what you're saying bro, I get it. But one must ask themselves, did he get the absolute maximum out of his teammates. What does 2007/2011/2014/2015 all have in common. LeBron James. It gets the mind going. At what point to stop blaming the teams, and start blaming the player, I know you feel me on this one

[Hey Yo]

LeBron has been in so many finals where he 'isn't' expected to win, from 2007 to 2016. Maybe it's time to look at the common denominator bro, it's him, not the team. I'm not saying anything, I'm just saying, you get what I'm saying?
Good logic...............if he hadn't already won B2B titles.

[Kingwillball]

The Cavs have built a superteam with by far the highest payroll

The difference is that the Warriors have the best player in the world, the first ever unanimous MVP :applause: :applause:

Only a moron would suggest Curry is better than lebron it is seriously annoying as f@ck that idiots on message boards actually believe it or just love trolling which either way brings nothing to table.

[lilteapot]

I get what you're saying bro, I get it. But one must ask themselves, did he get the absolute maximum out of his teammates. What does 2007/2011/2014/2015 all have in common. LeBron James. It gets the mind going. At what point to stop blaming the teams, and start blaming the player, I know you feel me on this one

So it's his fault when his teammates don't play well?

The only series where he ballhogged was 2015. He tried plenty to get them involved and they couldn't deliver.

[AirBonner]

Gs went 73-9 they should be better.

[SpaceJam]

So it's his fault when his teammates don't play well?

The only series where he ballhogged was 2015. He tried plenty to get them involved and they couldn't deliver.

It takes great leaders to elevate the troops bro, to get the very best out of everyone. At what point do we start pointing the fingers. It starts within, you gotta take a look in the mirror and ask yourself, is he who we thought he was, when do we draw the line and accept it for what it is

[lilteapot]

It takes great leaders to elevate the troops bro, to get the very best out of everyone. At what point do we start pointing the fingers. It starts within, you gotta take a look in the mirror and ask yourself, is he who we thought he was, when do we draw the line and accept it for what it is

What the **** are you talking about? Shut the **** up with that stupid bullshit. He won two titles as Finals MVP, it's clear he's capable of leading a team, but your supporting cast has to play well. Shut up with your bullshit armchair psychology.

[SpaceJam]

What the **** are you talking about? Shut the **** up with that stupid bullshit. He won two titles as Finals MVP, it's clear he's capable of leading a team, but your supporting cast has to play well. Shut up with your bullshit armchair psychology.

It makes you think doesn't it bro, 2007-2011-2014-2015. What went wrong.

[lilteapot]

It makes you think doesn't it bro, 2007-2011-2014-2015. What went wrong.
Yeah, it makes me think your parents are brother and sister.

[SpaceJam]

Yeah, it makes me think your parents are brother and sister.

Bro keep it on topic, no need for personal attacks. We're just bouncing basketball ideas off each other. Think about it, you know what I'm saying

[Doranku]

It really goes to show just how bad the East is when you think about this.

LeBron steamrolls the East every year, yet is never expected to win in the finals because 5 West teams would have done the same if they were in the East. :lol

[Kblaze8855]

Jerry West was 1/9 and he was dubbed "Mr. Clutch" and made the logo of the NBA. LeBron potentially goes 2/7 and he's a laughing stock for it. The NBA sure has changed.


Basketball has not changed. __/__ is just a way for people who dont know shit about basketball to back up opinions they would have either way. Same game. Far worse fans.

[NBAGOAT]

It makes you think doesn't it bro, 2007-2011-2014-2015. What went wrong.

not at all. His team was worse or played worse outside of 2011. Sure leadership and intangibles matter but there's only so much that can do. Idc which player you pick from history MJ, Russell etc, they could still lose if the situation isn't favorable.

[SouBeachTalents]

Well Lebron going 2/7 may drop him out of top 10, only Jerry West from top 15 alltime list has a worse NBA Finals winning%.

This dude already had a reputation for being an idiot, now he's giving the argument it's worse for LeBron losing to the 73-9 Warriors than the Raptors or Hawks :lol

[Dresta]

So 2007-

Lebron has a weak supporting cast and goes up against a dominant Spurs team

2011 - Totally his fault

2014 - Lebron plays exceptionally well, yet his teammates don't deliver. Wade plays extremely weak.

2015 - Loses 2 starters and is basically the only one delivering for his teammates. Supporting cast aside from Delly and Mozgov do not deliver.

only 1 of those losses is on him. Only an idiot would disagree.
Only an idiot would think that abysmal 2007 performance isn't on him.

[ImKobe]

So 2007-

Lebron has a weak supporting cast and goes up against a dominant Spurs team

2011 - Totally his fault

2014 - Lebron plays exceptionally well, yet his teammates don't deliver. Wade plays extremely weak.

2015 - Loses 2 starters and is basically the only one delivering for his teammates. Supporting cast aside from Delly and Mozgov do not deliver.

only 1 of those losses is on him. Only an idiot would disagree.

So you make excuses like "Lebron's team isn't good enough" and then turn around and criticize Kobe for 2004 and 2008 when his teams faced superteams with GOAT defenses while his teammates were injured and outmatched.

By the way I agree with 2007 and 2014 not being Lebron's fault

I feel like 2015 Cavs put themselves in a position to go up 3 - 1 in the series but they fell apart in crunch time at home, Lebron definitely could have shot the ball better and put his team in a position to win because their grind it out style was actually working against a Warriors team that wasn't that hot from 3 for most of the series.

[Magic 32]

The important thing about 2-7 is that future generations will look at that and say...huh?

And that is so important. Because Lebron thought that he could get away with colluding, playing in a PATHETIC east, and accumulating empty stats that makes him look like a top 5 players, all the while the NBA would work day and night to cover up his tracks.

But now kids will look at 2-7 and research into why, and they will descover the colluding, the pathetic east, the limitation of ball-dominant stat whoring, the importance of a superstars submitting themselves to great coaches and systems...and so on.

All of that stuff is gonna be remembered and not just cleaned up and hidden by NBA promotional departments.

This is his eternal punishment for all of the times he has cheated the game.

[lilteapot]

So you make excuses like "Lebron's team isn't good enough" and then turn around and criticize Kobe for 2004 and 2008 when his teams faced superteams with GOAT defenses while his teammates were injured and outmatched.

By the way I agree with 2007 and 2014 not being Lebron's fault

I feel like 2015 Cavs put themselves in a position to go up 3 - 1 in the series but they fell apart in crunch time at home, Lebron definitely could have shot the ball better and put his team in a position to win because their grind it out style was actually working against a Warriors team that wasn't that hot from 3 for most of the series.

I never said that about Kobe.

[TommyGriffin]

Only a moron would suggest Curry is better than lebron it is seriously annoying as f@ck that idiots on message boards actually believe it or just love trolling which either way brings nothing to table.

Except Curry is better than LeBron and is widely accepted as the best player in basketball.

[toprange]

When he loses, he loses to the greatest team ever which is completely acceptable.

Tell me again why this should count AGAINST him because it makes him 2/7, to go against the GOAT team?
Think for yourself you idiot. Lebron has yet another superteam in the finals. He expects to win. You expect him to win. That is what you have all been saying since last years finals. You idiots have already put him in the top 3 of all time with 2 chased rings. Winning doesn't matter to you.

[AirBonner]

Except Curry is better than LeBron and is widely accepted as the best player in basketball.
Curry is only good when they have the lead.

[stephanieg]

Jerry West was 1/9 and he was dubbed "Mr. Clutch" and made the logo of the NBA. LeBron potentially goes 2/7 and he's a laughing stock for it. The NBA sure has changed.

That was in a totally different media landscape. Plus everyone back then was racist as hell, of course they put the only decent white player on a pedestal. Nowadays he would get killed, just like Dirk did for choking away 06 and 07.

[Gileraracer]

Everyone expects him to choke again

[ballinhun8]

Curry is only good when they have the lead.



This is such BS. he hit the shots in game 6 to bring them tied in the 4th then in game 7 after halftime he is the one who hit three 3's to close the gap, tie, then take the lead.

[sportjames23]

When he loses, he loses to the greatest team ever which is completely acceptable.

Tell me again why this should count AGAINST him because it makes him 2/7, to go against the GOAT team?

I don't see the 96 Bulls on the schedule.

[sfballa13]

So you make excuses like "Lebron's team isn't good enough" and then turn around and criticize Kobe for 2004 and 2008 when his teams faced superteams with GOAT defenses while his teammates were injured and outmatched.

By the way I agree with 2007 and 2014 not being Lebron's fault

I feel like 2015 Cavs put themselves in a position to go up 3 - 1 in the series but they fell apart in crunch time at home, Lebron definitely could have shot the ball better and put his team in a position to win because their grind it out style was actually working against a Warriors team that wasn't that hot from 3 for most of the series.

2004 is 100% on Kobe

Detroit Pistons were a great team but Kobe had Shaq who dominated every single game.

Instead of going back to him over and over and exposing the Pistons weakness (Shaq put up big numbers despite playing against Big Ben and Sheed) he kept jacking shots

Even if Malone was hurt he had prime Shaq and a decent to above average Payton (who was a much better player than when he won the title with Miami in 2006)

In 2008, he had Gasol and Odom and still couldnt do it. He played decent but definitely shitt the bed a few games.

2008 is debatable, but 2004 is not. Anyone that knows anything about basketball knows damn well that Kobe lost the Lakers that series.

I am a Pistons fan but i can confidently say that if Kobe didnt jack shots that series goes to 6 or 7 games

[Lebron23]

2004 is 100% on Kobe

Detroit Pistons were a great team but Kobe had Shaq who dominated every single game.

Instead of going back to him over and over and exposing the Pistons weakness (Shaq put up big numbers despite playing against Big Ben and Sheed) he kept jacking shots

Even if Malone was hurt he had prime Shaq and a decent to above average Payton (who was a much better player than when he won the title with Miami in 2006)

In 2008, he had Gasol and Odom and still couldnt do it. He played decent but definitely shitt the bed a few games.

2008 is debatable, but 2004 is not. Anyone that knows anything about basketball knows damn well that Kobe lost the Lakers that series.

I am a Pistons fan but i can confidently say that if Kobe didnt jack shots that series goes to 6 or 7 games


I am planning to start a thread about Kobe's choke job in the 2004 NBA Finals. His last 2 games were so very disappointing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fAcGwRtYWI

8/25

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9YLH8ao4KA

7/21

[sportjames23]

I am planning to start a thread about Kobe's choke job in the 2004 NBA Finals. His last 2 games were so very disappointing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fAcGwRtYWI

8/25

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9YLH8ao4KA

7/21


You fight like young man, with nothing held back.

Admirable, but mistaken.

[G0ATbe]

Nothing but excuse after excuse in all these LeShit stains 1.5*/7 threads. Keep em coming:lol

[tmacattack33]

When he loses, he loses to the greatest team ever which is completely acceptable.

Tell me again why this should count AGAINST him because it makes him 2/7, to go against the GOAT team?

Not sure if serious.

But if you are, here we go. Grab a pencil and notebook...

It's because getting to round 4 is certainly better than getting to round 2 or 1 or 0.

You see, because the number 4 is to right of the number 2 in the cardinal number line. Which means it has a higher value.

Just do this...hold up four fingers in your right hand. Now hold up two in your left hand. Which one is greater?

Or, if your friend has 4 slices of pizza left and you only have 2 slices left in your box, which box has more pizza in it?

[guy]

People don't seem to realize that part of the reason he hasn't been favored at times in his career and/or been considered a significant underdog, like he is now, is because of past underwhelming performances from his own self that ends up lowering expectations for his team.

Ex: there's really no way he would've been considered an underdog in the 2012 Finals if it wasn't for him going out embarrassingly the two previous years.