LeBron has had the worse Finals team every Finals except maybe 2011

[Dray n Klay]

:biggums:



Every Finals the West team has much more talent than what LeBron has around him.


On a side note look at the strength of LeBrons opponents the last 3 years



2014 Spurs - 66 win team dynasty type talent


2015 Warriors- 67 win team dynasty type talent


2016 Warriors - 73 win team GOAT team






Every team he faces is apparently a GOAT level 67-73 win team :biggums:





This guy faces GOAT tier teams every finals, and he has absolute scrubs on his team every Finals since 2012.

[GeeWiz]

Who cares? This is loser mentality. If he is really that great then you should expect him to win, instead of creating thread after thread making excuses for him if he loses, it's almost like deep down you are trying to convince yourself he's not a loser, but you make him look like one in the process.

[sportjames23]

OP getting his excuses ready for 2/7.

[Dray n Klay]

OP getting his excuses ready for 2/7.


What's yours for 1-9? :biggums:

[ImKobe]

Who cares? This is loser mentality. If he is really that great then you should expect him to win, instead of creating thread after thread making excuses for him if he loses, it's almost like deep down you are trying to convince yourself he's not a loser, but you make him look like one in the process.

This.

Regular season records are hardly an indication of a dynasty, tbh...

By OP's logic, 2009 and 2010 Cavs were a dynasty level team because they won 66 and 61 regular season games :oldlol:

Spurs peaked at the right time but old ass Duncan and Kawhi were their two best players...Miami had the talent but they didn't play with the same effort they did in 2013. Lebron is lucky to have 2 rings. Ray Allen should be receiving yearly payments for that.

[sportjames23]

What's yours for 1-9? :biggums:

MJ had a sorry team, which later became the GOAT team.

Why can't Lebron do the same without collusion?

[Dray n Klay]

This.

Regular season records are hardly an indication of a dynasty

By OP's logic, 2009 and 2010 Cavs were a dynasty level team because they won 66 and 61 regular season games :oldlol:



Even without looking at regular season records, the teams I listed were dynasty worthy

[NBAGOAT]

god damn this is even worse than usual. The 14 Spurs had 62 wins not 66.

[Im Still Ballin]

It's true OP

He's seemingly the only star that has to play without home court in pretty much every time he's been to the finals, AND he always plays legendary squads like the ones you mentioned

[BedroomBully]

Its ironic that MJ fans criticize LeBron for not winning a title when the opposing team is super stacked and his tends to underachieve. Didn't MJ lose miserably before he had a mega team built around him?

[Dray n Klay]

god damn this is even worse than usual. The 14 Spurs had 62 wins not 66.

Many regard those Spurs as the greatest team ever assembled

[Xiengqichess]

Đu ma! People give him credit for 6 straight finals coming from the sorry east and make excuses for him to lose. Le Bron has the best talents around him every year since 11. He has two other franchise players on his team and bunch of good role players. Thompson and Green are not franchise players but Love, Irving ,Wade and Bosh are! Think about it!

[tpols]

since all the best players are out west, maybe he could jump ship there perhaps?

But then hed have to go through OKC / SAS / GSW gauntlet ...

hmm, quite a decision.

[beastee]

Many regard those Spurs as the greatest team ever assembled
By my counts its one...just logged in several different ways & times.

[Dray n Klay]

since all the best players are out west, maybe he could jump ship there perhaps?

But then hed have to go through OKC / SAS / GSW gauntlet ...

hmm, quite a decision.


This is retarded logic, but again, you were never a bright poster.



If LeBron joined West, he would be added In addition to an established team



Imagine the Thunder with LeBron added on top of that. Durant, Westbrook, LeBron on the same team



Or the Warriors with LeBron on top of Curry, Klay, Dray?





You people fail to realize you'd be adding LeBron on top of established talent



He would still destroy the West :confusedshrug:

[GrapeApe]

The Heat were the best team from 2011-2013. After their slow start in 2011 they were dominant until the finals. In 2012 OKC had HCA, but I think the Heat were the better team due to experience (and it showed in the finals). In 2013 they won 66 games including 27 in a row. That was their best team top to bottom, especially with the addition of Allen and Birdman.

[Dray n Klay]

The Heat were the best team from 2011-2013. After their slow start in 2011 they were dominant until the finals. In 2012 OKC had HCA, but I think the Heat were the better team due to experience (and it showed in the finals). In 2013 they won 66 games including 27 in a row. That was their best team top to bottom, especially with the addition of Allen and Birdman.

Umm, this might be the worst post I've ever read


In 2012 the Thunder had Homecourt advantage, and Bosh was injured, Thunder were the favourites.



In 2013 Wade and Bosh were terrible in the playoffs, absolutely garbage.


The Spurs were FAR more talented than the Heat in 2013, and Wade was horrible the entire playoffs outside of Game 4 in the Finals

If you removed LeBron from the Heat, and Duncan from the Spurs in 2013, the Spurs wouldve swept the Heat

[fourkicks44]

How were the 2011 Heat better than the 2011 Mavs? Lebron and his team lost.

[funnystuff]

Lebron has all around better stats playing against West teams. :confusedshrug:

[GrapeApe]

Umm, this might be the worst post I've ever read


In 2012 the Thunder had Homecourt advantage, and Bosh was injured, Thunder were the favourites.



In 2013 Wade and Bosh were terrible in the playoffs, absolutely garbage.


The Spurs were FAR more talented than the Heat in 2013, and Wade was horrible the entire playoffs outside of Game 4 in the Finals

If you removed LeBron from the Heat, and Duncan from the Spurs in 2013, the Spurs wouldve swept the Heat

Are you being intentionally dumb? Bosh played every game in the 2012 finals. He averaged 15/9 on 45/40/89 and led the team in blocks (tied with Wade). I acknowledged that OKC had home court, but I also said that the Heat's experience made them a better team, hence their 4-1 series win.

In 2013 the Heat had the best record in the league. They dealt with injuries but they were still the best overall team. In the finals Wade averaged 20/5/4/2/1 on 48%, including 24/6/5/2/2 in games 4-7. As the second option he scored more than the Spurs leading scorer (Duncan). Bosh averaged 12/9/2/2/2 on 46%, leading the team in blocks. The Heat had 5 players average double figures. The Heat as a team shot 46/43/77 in the series. Spurs shot 45/41/77. Lebron shot 45/35/80.

Oh, and Ray Allen shot 54/55/92 in the series with a 72%TS. Battier had a 69%TS and Miller had an 84%TS. That's pretty damn efficient production from your role players. Chalmers also shot 41% from beyond the arc.

[Inferno]

By my counts its one...just logged in several different ways & times.

:roll:

[oarabbus]

:biggums:



Every Finals the West team has much more talent than what LeBron has around him.


On a side note look at the strength of LeBrons opponents the last 3 years



2014 Spurs - 66 win team dynasty type talent


2015 Warriors- 67 win team dynasty type talent


2016 Warriors - 73 win team GOAT team






Every team he faces is apparently a GOAT level 67-73 win team :biggums:





This guy faces GOAT tier teams every finals, and he has absolute scrubs on his team every Finals since 2012.

You get credit for winning end of story. No one's like "Hitler had the worse army doe"

[Cleverness]

How did they sweep the ECF last year?

[PickernRoller]

The 2012 Heat were better than the 2012 OKC. Anyone that saw their regular season match ups knew what was coming - I among them.

Spurs did choke in 13 - and rectified it quickly in 14.

Not like it ****ing matters. When you have D-Wade and Bosh along with "supposedly" the best player in the league for 4 straight Finals - the **** are the excuses?

We're going to make excuses for Kobe in 08? Nope. How about 04? Nope. How about playing the 2010 finals injured as well as throughout all of the ****ing playoffs - NOPE!

WIN! or be a loser. Lebron is a bonafide underachiever given the opportunities he's had.

The apologists campaign has started and it's going to be lovely to witness.

[comerb]

Those Miami teams were stock full on talent and under-performed. This Cavs team is stock full on talent and has been under-performing until recently.

I'll give him a pass last year because of injuries, and obviously his first Finals appearance since that team was legitimately outgunned. But every other loss the only reason his team was the "worse" team had nothing to do with the actual talent of the team.

[Dray n Klay]

Those Miami teams were stock full on talent and under-performed. This Cavs team is stock full on talent and has been under-performing until recently.

I'll give him a pass last year because of injuries, and obviously his first Finals appearance since that team was legitimately outgunned. But every other loss the only reason his team was the "worse" team had nothing to do with the actual talent of the team.


The Heat couldn't even make the playoffs without LeBron lol

[comerb]

The Heat couldn't even make the playoffs without LeBron lol

When they're healthy they are easily the 2nd best team in the East and you're an assclown if you think otherwise.

[masonanddixon]

LOL at 'maybe' 2011

And facing a Spurs team that had Manu and Duncan at maybe 10% of their former selves...

Funny how if I said shit like the OP I'd get banned but any pro-lequeer bullshit is allowed with impunity.

[GetBuckets]

This Finals is way differant than last year.. Kyrie and Love are both gonna be there and the Cavs have been hot.

I say Cavs in 6 :)

[Real14]

LOL at 'maybe' 2011

And facing a Spurs team that had Manu and Duncan at maybe 10% of their former selves...

Funny how if I said shit like the OP I'd get banned but any pro-lequeer bullshit is allowed with impunity.
Absolutel, and the Op is one of the reasons why ISH has gone to shit. Yeah I would get banned and have my threads deleted too saying shit OP says. Why does he get away with it?

[soots]

LBJ is probably the only player in history that cant complain about team talent.

He hand picked his teams twice.

And more importantly, he hand picked his conference for a moonwalk stroll into the NBA finals.

[GrapeApe]

When they're healthy they are easily the 2nd best team in the East and you're an assclown if you think otherwise.

He's an assclown regardless. In '11 and '12 Wade was still a top 5 player and in '13 a top 10 player. Bosh would have been a 22/10 type second option. Using Lebron's salary to fill out the roster they would have easily been contenders in the east if not title contenders. Hell, Wade at 34 years old just put up 21/6/5/1/1 with a 22 PER in the playoffs and was one win away from the ECF with no Bosh.

[kamil]

So, LeGM cherrypicking his own teams STILL isn't enough help?

GTFO.

[3ball]

Lebron had no chance in 2015 Finals


Not true - even WITH Lebron shooting 39% and allowing Iggy an extra 10 ppg, the Cavs were still competitive and won 2 games - clearly, if he holds Iggy to his normal stats and shoots 50%, the Cavs win easily.





There's nothing more Lebron could do in 2007 Finals



Many guys played better against the same Spurs team:



Lebron vs. Spurs in 2007 Finals: 22 ppg on 35%

Melo vs. Spurs in 2007 1st Rd: 27 ppg on 48%

Dirk vs. Spurs in 2007.. WCF: 27 ppg on 53%

Kobe vs. Spurs in 2008.. WCF: 29 ppg on 53%



The reason for Lebron's worse efficiency was JUMPSHOOTING EFFICIENCY:



....................... midrange jumpshot FG%..... 3-point jumpshot FG%..... Jumpshot proportion of offense

Lebron 2007 Finals (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/shooting/?Season=2006-07&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4) .............14.8........................... 20.0............................... 52.2
Dirk 2006 WCF (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/1717/stats/shooting/?Season=2005-06&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=3) ..................41.3........................... 50.0 .............................. 61.2
Melo 2007 1st Rd (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2546/stats/shooting/?Season=2006-07&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=1) ...............37.5........................... 50.0 .............................. 59.1
Kobe 2008 WCF (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/shooting/?Season=2007-08&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=3) .................50.0........................... 33.3............................... 63.3



Everyone shot well on jumpers against the Spurs, EXCEPT Lebron - the so the Spurs jumpshooting defense clearly wasn't prohibitive - Lebron just can't shoot.. 2007 and 2015 were TWO Finals where Lebron missed over 80% of his jumpshots, which is probably a record.





Lebron had no chance in 2007 Finals


Not true - despite Lebron's 22 ppg on 35%, all 4 games were single-digit affairs, including 1-possession nail-biters in Games 3 and 4.. (edit: Game 1 was 11 pt game)

The Cavs had a great defense, but just needed a consistent volume scorer to win.





Lebron had no chance in 2014 Finals


Lebron's defense was very good the first 2 games against Kawhi (9 ppg on 43%), and not surprisingly, the Heat were tied 1-1... They were competitive with the Spurs, just like OKC and Dallas were, who held Kawhi to 12 ppg on 45%.

But then Lebron gave up in Game 3, - Kawhi proceeded to run roughshod the last 3 games for 24 ppg on 69% - this is the biggest reason the series changed - that's a 15 point swing.

Better defense on Kawhi would've kept the games closer, and the Heat could've WON the series if Lebron coupled his better defense on Kawhi with more offensive aggression - he only averaged 17 shot attempts, which was HALF his attempts in 2015 Finals that won 2 games with a worse supporting cast (the injured Cavs) against a better team (Warriors)..

Obviously, if Lebron plays good defense on Kawhi AND doubles his shot attempts to 33 per game like the 2015 Finals, the Heat would've won.
.

[masonanddixon]

Absolutel, and the Op is one of the reasons why ISH has gone to shit. Yeah I would get banned and have my threads deleted too saying shit OP says. Why does he get away with it?

Yeah the site is trash now and overrun by children. It sucks. You used to actually be able to have opinions.