Can Bron lead his team from losing to GSW two years in a row?

[sportjames23]

Or will he do a Karl Malone?

Dray n Klay, get in here!

[Real14]

Yeah just like I said he's the next K.Malone.

[Real14]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/01/9e/ac/019eac028038f2a0d4235dae2f755a6b.jpg

R.I.P :cry:
Reported.

[riseagainst]

He's slightly better than Karl Malone because he actually won 2 rings, even though he had stacked teams.

[HylianNightmare]

Yes

[sportjames23]

Reported.

LOL that nikka deleted his own post quick. :oldlol:

[Real14]

LOL that nikka deleted his own post quick. :oldlol:
Yea it's a good thing I checked him so everybody can see what a bitch he is.

[Bankaii]

Most likely, we'll see.
What we do know is that Jordan led his team to a 1-9 record with Big Pip.

[3ball]

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Efficiency WITH Lebron James on the floor in 2015 Finals:

JR Smith
Delly
J. Jones
Shumpert

Total 56/171 (32.7%)


As you can see, those guys shot horribly WITH Lebron on the floor, which is pretty standard - it's become typical for Lebron's teammates to underperform alongside him in the Finals, for obvious reasons:

It's statistical fact (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11709473&postcount=1) that Lebron reduces his teammates' APG and increases their assisted rate, thus turning them from playmakers to play-finishers.. Not surprisingly, their simple, predictable play-finishing roles no longer find success against the best playoff teams.. :confusedshrug:

Unfortunately, by reducing teammates to play-finishers, Lebron promotes a sophomoric brand of basketball that can't succeed against the best playoff teams, who invariably play a superior brand of basketball.. Guys like Patty Mills and Boris Diaw are tasked with MAKING PLAYS for the Spurs - they aren't just play-finishers like Shumpert and JR Smith (who are actually more talented).

With teammates playing under capacity, the TEAM plays under capacity and eventually loses to an opponent they had the capacity to beat (i.e. losing as the favorite in 2009 ECF, 2010 ECSF, and 2011 Finals, or losing when it was 50/50 - 2014 Finals) (http://www.nj.com/knicks/index.ssf/2014/06/nba_finals_2014_experts_predict_whether_the_heat_o r_spurs_will_come_out_on_top_in_the_finals_rematch .html).

Ultimately, Lebron's reduction of teammates into play-finishers prevents the kind of equal-opportunity offenses that the Mavs, Spurs, Warriors, and 90's Bulls used (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIY_4vIxGEE&t=23m40s), where all 5 guys share the playmaking duties - since Lebron prevents the best brand of basketball, his teams are susceptible to equal or less-talented opponents pulling upsets by playing a better brand of basketball (2009, 2011, 2014).

Now the question is WHY SPECIFICALLY does Lebron turn teammates into play-finishers?.. It's because he employs a point guard style from the forward position - this adds a 2nd low-assisted, high time of possession player IN ADDITION to the existing point guard, which gives teammates less opportunity to assist and less time with the ball than other teams whose forwards have normal assisted rates and time of possession.

That's the difference between 2/6 underachievement and 6/6 perfection: MJ's off-ball style got the most out of his teammates (elevates teammates), so the team plays to capacity and never loses as the favorite, while Lebron's ball-dominance turns teammates into play-finishers, leading to team underperformance and losing as the favorite.

[sportjames23]

Most likely, we'll see.
What we do know is that Jordan led his team to a 1-9 record with Big Pip.


What's that? I can't hear you over 6/6.

[Real14]

Most likely, we'll see.
What we do know is that Jordan led his team to a 1-9 record with Big Pip.
LeBron couldn't do shit without wade. He had big z too in his early years.

[SouBeachTalents]

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Efficiency WITH Lebron James on the floor in 2015 Finals:

JR Smith
Delly
J. Jones
Shumpert

Total 56/171 (32.7%)

Shows how bad his team was minus Kyrie/Love

[Bankaii]

What's that? I can't hear you over 6/6.
We're typing dumbass, there's nothing to hear.
1-9.

[3ball]

Shows how bad his team was minus Kyrie/Love


Not true.

It's typical for Lebron's teammates to underperform alongside him in the Finals or against the best teams - this has been demonstrated throughout his entire career.

Also, even though Lebron shot 39% and allowed Iggy an extra 10 ppg, the Cavs were still competitive and won 2 games in 2015 Finals - if Lebron shoots 50% and holds Iggy to his normal stats, the Cavs win easily.

[J Shuttlesworth]

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Efficiency WITH Lebron James on the floor in 2015 Finals:

JR Smith
Delly
J. Jones
Shumpert

Total 56/171 (32.7%)


As you can see, those guys shot horribly WITH Lebron on the floor, which is pretty standard - it's become typical for Lebron's teammates to underperform alongside him in the Finals, for obvious reasons:

It's statistical fact (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11709473&postcount=1) that Lebron reduces his teammates' APG and increases their assisted rate, thus turning them from playmakers to play-finishers.. Not surprisingly, their simple, predictable play-finishing roles no longer find success against the best playoff teams.. :confusedshrug:

Unfortunately, by reducing teammates to play-finishers, Lebron promotes a sophomoric brand of basketball that can't succeed against the best playoff teams, who invariably play a superior brand of basketball.. Guys like Patty Mills and Boris Diaw are tasked with MAKING PLAYS for the Spurs - they aren't just play-finishers like Shumpert and JR Smith (who are actually more talented).

With teammates playing under capacity, the TEAM plays under capacity and eventually loses to an opponent they had the capacity to beat (i.e. losing as the favorite in 2009 ECF, 2010 ECSF, and 2011 Finals, or losing when it was 50/50 - 2014 Finals) (http://www.nj.com/knicks/index.ssf/2014/06/nba_finals_2014_experts_predict_whether_the_heat_o r_spurs_will_come_out_on_top_in_the_finals_rematch .html).

Ultimately, Lebron's reduction of teammates into play-finishers prevents the kind of equal-opportunity offenses that the Mavs, Spurs, Warriors, and 90's Bulls used (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIY_4vIxGEE&t=23m40s), where all 5 guys share the playmaking duties - since Lebron prevents the best brand of basketball, his teams are susceptible to equal or less-talented opponents pulling upsets by playing a better brand of basketball (2009, 2011, 2014).

Now the question is WHY SPECIFICALLY does Lebron turn teammates into play-finishers?.. It's because he employs a point guard style from the forward position - this adds a 2nd low-assisted, high time of possession player IN ADDITION to the existing point guard, which gives teammates less opportunity to assist and less time with the ball than other teams whose forwards have normal assisted rates and time of possession.

That's the difference between 2/6 underachievement and 6/6 perfection: MJ's off-ball style got the most out of his teammates (elevates teammates), so the team plays to capacity and never loses as the favorite, while Lebron's ball-dominance turns teammates into play-finishers, leading to team underperformance and losing as the favorite.
Surely LeBron's teammates must have shot better in the 2015 finals when LeBron was on the bench. Do you have those numbers?

[3ball]

Surely LeBron's teammates must have shot better in the 2015 finals when LeBron was on the bench.


Not a big enough sample size - teammates only took 20 shots without Lebron on the floor, compared to 171 WITH Lebron (where they only made 32%).

Don't be surprised - it's typical for Lebron's teammates to underperform alongside him in the Finals or against the best teams - this has been demonstrated throughout his entire career..

There's a simple reason why - it's statistical fact (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11709473&postcount=1) that Lebron reduces his teammates' APG and increases their assisted rate, thus turning them from playmakers to play-finishers.. Not surprisingly, their simple, predictable play-finishing roles and the weak brand of basketball imposed by Lebron doesn't succeed against the best playoff teams like it did against the weaker teams.





Do you have those numbers?


Even though Lebron shot 39% and allowed Iggy an extra 10 ppg, the Cavs were still competitive and won 2 games in 2015 Finals - if Lebron shoots 50% and holds Iggy to his normal stats (10 points LESS per game), the Cavs win easily.

[J Shuttlesworth]

On Sportscenter right now, Cavs were .90 pts per play with LeBron on the floor, and .64 pts per play without LeBron. Yikes

[Lebron23]

Your 2016 NBA Champion. Cleveland Cavaliers.

[Gileraracer]

Your 2016 39% shooter. Lebron James.

[sportjames23]

:lol

[plowking]

.
Efficiency WITH Lebron James on the floor in 2015 Finals:

JR Smith
Delly
J. Jones
Shumpert

Total 56/171 (32.7%)


As you can see, those guys shot horribly WITH Lebron on the floor, which is pretty standard - it's become typical for Lebron's teammates to underperform alongside him in the Finals, for obvious reasons:

It's statistical fact (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11709473&postcount=1) that Lebron reduces his teammates' APG and increases their assisted rate, thus turning them from playmakers to play-finishers.. Not surprisingly, their simple, predictable play-finishing roles no longer find success against the best playoff teams.. :confusedshrug:

Unfortunately, by reducing teammates to play-finishers, Lebron promotes a sophomoric brand of basketball that can't succeed against the best playoff teams, who invariably play a superior brand of basketball.. Guys like Patty Mills and Boris Diaw are tasked with MAKING PLAYS for the Spurs - they aren't just play-finishers like Shumpert and JR Smith (who are actually more talented).

With teammates playing under capacity, the TEAM plays under capacity and eventually loses to an opponent they had the capacity to beat (i.e. losing as the favorite in 2009 ECF, 2010 ECSF, and 2011 Finals, or losing when it was 50/50 - 2014 Finals) (http://www.nj.com/knicks/index.ssf/2014/06/nba_finals_2014_experts_predict_whether_the_heat_o r_spurs_will_come_out_on_top_in_the_finals_rematch .html).

Ultimately, Lebron's reduction of teammates into play-finishers prevents the kind of equal-opportunity offenses that the Mavs, Spurs, Warriors, and 90's Bulls used (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIY_4vIxGEE&t=23m40s), where all 5 guys share the playmaking duties - since Lebron prevents the best brand of basketball, his teams are susceptible to equal or less-talented opponents pulling upsets by playing a better brand of basketball (2009, 2011, 2014).

Now the question is WHY SPECIFICALLY does Lebron turn teammates into play-finishers?.. It's because he employs a point guard style from the forward position - this adds a 2nd low-assisted, high time of possession player IN ADDITION to the existing point guard, which gives teammates less opportunity to assist and less time with the ball than other teams whose forwards have normal assisted rates and time of possession.

That's the difference between 2/6 underachievement and 6/6 perfection: MJ's off-ball style got the most out of his teammates (elevates teammates), so the team plays to capacity and never loses as the favorite, while Lebron's ball-dominance turns teammates into play-finishers, leading to team underperformance and losing as the favorite.

Why do you keep moving the goal posts?

If Bron's teammates play poorly, it is because Bron is responsible.
If his teammates play well, stacked.

If Jordan's teammates play poorly, Jordan just had to carry the biggest burden ever!
If his teammates play well, it is due to Jordan.

Such sound logic. No bias, and clearly level headed.