Replace LeBron with Jordan, and Jordan goes 2/4

[Dray n Klay]

Jordan makes the Finals instead of LeBron in 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014


He doesn't make it in 2007, and doesn't make it in 2015. Jordan didn't have the playmaking capacity to run the offense in 2007, and he didn't have the interior defense and rebounding to carry the 2015 team (especially without Kevin Love). LeBron averaged 11 rebounds in the 2015 playoffs, Jordan won't replicate that.



He wins in 2011, 2012, and loses in 2013 and 2014





So all this talk about LeBron's finals record, but Jordan would at best win the same amount of rings, and make less finals than LeBron :confusedshrug:







Using this logic, it seems LeBron >> Jordan

[NBAGOAT]

he makes the finals in 2015 you idiot. The Hawks get too much hate on this board from people with agendas on the other side but they terribly underperformed in the playoffs and had injures. You can't possibly think Jordan couldn't have beat them when the Cavs swept them with Lebron. The Bulls aren't beating the Cavs either with Jordan.

[Dray n Klay]

he makes the finals in 2015 you idiot. The Hawks get too much hate on this board from people with agendas on the other side but they terribly underperformed in the playoffs and had injures. You can't possibly think Jordan couldn't have beat them when the Cavs swept them with Lebron. The Bulls aren't beating the Cavs either with Jordan.

They didnt have Kevin Love in 2015 idiot.


How is Jordan replacing LeBrons 11 rebounds a game and interior defense?



Bulls were up 2-1 in the semis, and the Hawks were a 60 win team that had HCA.



Jordan would have to be his teams best scorer, playmaker, rebounder, and defender. He struggles enough trying to lead his team in scoring, how can he make up the rest?





I know you're trolling, but in all honesty Jordan on the 2015 Cavs makes the 2nd round and loses to the Bulls in 6. And you know thats the truth.

[Dr Seuss]

replace mr popular with jordan in the 15 finals, and he absoultely puts up 40 a game on 50%+ shooting if GSW guard him the same way they did lebron. and after the series, the only person who would think iggy would deserve the FMVP, is his sweethearted but completely out of touch mother

[Straight_Ballin]

Replace LeBron with Jordan, and Jordan goes 2/4

:roll:

Sure he does.

Only a failure like lebron would be so stupid to play on stacked teams in the east only to embarrass himself in a 2/7 fashion.

[NBAGOAT]

They didnt have Kevin Love in 2015 idiot.


How is Jordan replacing LeBrons 11 rebounds a game and interior defense?



Bulls were up 2-1 in the semis, and the Hawks were a 60 win team that had HCA.



Jordan would have to be his teams best scorer, playmaker, rebounder, and defender. He struggles enough trying to lead his team in scoring, how can he make up the rest?





I know you're trolling, but in all honesty Jordan on the 2015 Cavs makes the 2nd round and loses to the Bulls in 6. And you know thats the truth.


:wtf: I don't think anything else needs to be said,

[DonDadda59]

Try as hard as I may, I can't imagine Michael Jeffrey Jordan getting outscored in a series by Jason Terry coming off the bench or just plain never showing up in the 4th quarter. Also can't see him letting the role player he's matched up against winning back to back Finals MVPs. :confusedshrug:

[Dray n Klay]

:wtf: I don't think anything else needs to be said,

So you're just going to dodge my points? :sleeping

I knew you were a troll.

[Straight_Ballin]

Try as hard as I may, I can't imagine Michael Jeffrey Jordan getting outscored in a series by Jason Terry coming off the bench or just plain never showing up in the 4th quarter. Also can't see him letting the role player he's matched up against winning back to back Finals MVPs. :confusedshrug:

And if he's not doing that, he's getting out played by role players who take his FMVP. :roll:

[NBAGOAT]

So you're just going to dodge my points? :sleeping

I knew you were a troll.

fine I'll cover them. The Hawks went to 7 vs the 38 win Nets and had trouble vs the Wizards who had a terrible coach and only did decently in the playoffs because Jesus took over Paul Pierce. Lebron wasn't the best rebounder for his team and Jordan could easily do the rest on that team best scorer, playmaker, and defender. He be better at the scoring too.

[elementally morale]

Replace thread with a good one and you have an actual conversation.

[kamil]

How does it feel to cheer for a colluding balding flopper that will go down in history as the greatest finals loser propped up by the media to be the next MJ but fail miserably over the years?

[3ball]

Jordan doesn't make it in 2007


The conference was so weak at the time, that Lebron made the Finals by averaging only 25 ppg on 42% in 2nd Round, and 25 ppg on 45% in ECF against Detroit.

These would be the worst stats of any series in Jordan's career.. In playoff battles with the world champion Pistons (Dumars, Rodman), Jordan averaged 31 ppg on 48% - he wouldn't need these stats to beat the 2007 version of Detroit, who only won 53 games and started the dilapidated Webber at center.





Lebron averaged 11 rebounds in 2015 playoffs - Jordan can't replicate that


Lebron can't replicate Jordan's 11.2 assist average in 1991 playoffs..

The reality is that the Cavs were competitive and won 2 games in 2015 Finals, even though Lebron shot 39% and let Iggy get 10 ppg above his normal average.. Accordingly, Jordan would've won because he never let Magic or Drexler average 10 ppg above their norm, let alone Iggy, nor did Jordan ever shoot that poorly against single-coverage.





Jordan loses in 2013


In 2013 Finals, Lebron scored 17, 18, and 17 points in the first 3 games.

Jordan would never play this bad - his career playoff and Finals average was DOUBLE that and he never scored less than 22 points in the Finals.

So Jordan would've had a 2-1 or 3-0 lead after 3 games, not a 1-2 deficit like Lebron.. Jordan wouldn't need Ray Allen to save him like Lebron did.. :pimp:
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[Magic 32]

MJ makes the finals all 6 times and wins without doubt in 2011 and maybe in 2014 as well (wins the first two games on the road).

[sd3035]

MJ would have at least 7 titles if he were on Lebald's teams

[KiiiiNG]

Replacing LeBron with Jordan wouldn't work. LeBron did EVERYTHING for the Heat. Leading scorer... main play-maker, and best defender. Jordan could maybe do 2 out of 3, but without LeBron's play-making, those Heat teams are an absolute mess. I think you're being generous saying Mike would go 2/4.

[BigBoss]

Facts only.

Only a bitch uses hypotheticals to defend Lebald.

6/6 = 100%

2/7 =29% LOL

[Asukal]

Why oh why do we allow retard stans in this forum? :facepalm

You morons would be wetting your pants everytime MJ plays if he played in this era. :no:

[Dray n Klay]

Replacing LeBron with Jordan wouldn't work. LeBron did EVERYTHING for the Heat. Leading scorer... main play-maker, and best defender. Jordan could maybe do 2 out of 3, but without LeBron's play-making, those Heat teams are an absolute mess. I think you're being generous saying Mike would go 2/4.

Solid point, Jordan would probably kill his father over the frustration of trying to do EVERYTHING on the court



Oh wait, he already did :oldlol:

[Straight_Ballin]

Why oh why do we allow retard stans in this forum? :facepalm

You morons would be wetting your pants everytime MJ plays if he played in this era. :no:

You know it.

Every time we mention MJ on this board those that didn't watch him play live get all excited and their eyes get as big as flying fvcking saucers, wondering how great it must have been. :cheers:

What I don't get is why some of the 20 year olds on here are so insecure about it. :confusedshrug:

Is there some hidden rule on ISH that says you have to stan the player of your era even though he sucks by comparison to GOAT?

[3ball]

LeBron was Leading scorer


No all-time great led their team in scoring for every series of their careers, EXCEPT Jordan, who led his team in every series by an average of 15.4 ppg (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=406920).. Let that sink in - Jordan had the biggest scoring load ever, by FAR.

Overall, Jordan scored 5.5 more ppg than Lebron in the playoffs, with better efficiency across the board (TS, FG, ORtg) - this is more valuable and controls the game better than Lebron's 2.5 defensive rebound edge (with less offensive rebounds) and 1.0 assist edge (with more turnovers).

There's never been a #1 option that scored 5.5 more on better efficiency that wasn't considered the FAR better player - if Lebron averaged 5.5 more, he'd be on another level entirely.





Lebron was the main play-maker




Assist Percentage 1991-1993 Playoffs:

Jordan: 31.1%
Pippen: 23.3%

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1991-1993-sum:playoffs_advanced
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1991-1993-sum:playoffs_advanced


Assist Percentage 1996-1998 Playoffs:

Jordan: 22.3%
Pippen: 22.0%

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1996-1998-sum:playoffs_advanced
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1996-1998-sum:playoffs_advanced


So Jordan led his team in passing, just like Lebron, except Jordan ALSO scores 5.5 more ppg with better efficiency.





Lebron was his team's best defender


Jordan is the best defender ever at his position.

Also, the reason he was chosen as the primary defender for Magic, Drexler, Gary Payton and Reggie Miller, is because it was COMMON KNOWLEDGE that he was the team's best defender:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOgJhzj4W9M&t=35m00s


Overall, Lebron cannot match Jordan's COMBINATION of goat scoring load, team-leading passing, and best-ever defense at his position.. No one can
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[Hey Yo]

Try as hard as I may, I can't imagine Michael Jeffrey Jordan getting outscored in a series by Jason Terry coming off the bench or just plain never showing up in the 4th quarter. Also can't see him letting the role player he's matched up against winning back to back Finals MVPs. :confusedshrug:
Considering he took the 2nd most FGA for Dallas, you think Wade should have played better defense on Terry? He shot 39% from 3 and 49% overall

Not sure why you're comparing Jordan and what he would have done in LeBron's place in his 4th and 5th consecutive Finals appearance considering he quit the league both times he had a chance to do so.

[DOUBLE DRIBBLE]

Came into thread to watch 3ball dismantle the OP's logic.:no:

[Hey Yo]

Why oh why do we allow retard stans in this forum? :facepalm

You morons would be wetting your pants everytime MJ plays if he played in this era. :no:
Don't be so hard on yourself...cheer up

[Asukal]

Don't be so hard on yourself...cheer up

Meh. Even your jokes are lame. :facepalm

[GrapeApe]

Replacing LeBron with Jordan wouldn't work. LeBron did EVERYTHING for the Heat. Leading scorer... main play-maker, and best defender. Jordan could maybe do 2 out of 3, but without LeBron's play-making, those Heat teams are an absolute mess. I think you're being generous saying Mike would go 2/4.

Lebron doing so much on those Heat teams was a systematic flaw, largely the result of Spo being clueless. With better coaching there would have been more balance and more clearly defined roles. Jordan being less ball-dominant would have lent itself to a more structured, team oriented style. Again, I blame coaching and not Lebron, but Lebron being the defacto PG was part of the problem. Spo relied too heavily on Lebron (and Wade) to create rather than developing an actual offense. It worked much of the time due to their sheer talent, but we saw how they struggled when Wade was injured or either one of them underperformed. There was no offensive system to fall back on.

Look at this year's Heat. Spo was forced into running an actual offense when Bosh went down. They played at a 55 win pace after the all-star break and were one win away from the ECF, and that was with 34 year old Wade and no Bosh. I'm straying a bit OT, but the point is that Jordan's game may have been more conducive to running a structured offense.

[Spurs m8]

Oh look, its another bandwagon Warriors stan with a spastic thread LOL

[3ball]

Assist Percentage 1991-1993 Playoffs:


Jordan: 31.1%
Pippen: 23.3%

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1991-1993-sum:playoffs_advanced
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1991-1993-sum:playoffs_advanced


Assist Percentage 1996-1998 Playoffs:


Jordan: 22.3%
Pippen: 22.0%

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1996-1998-sum:playoffs_advanced
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1996-1998-sum:playoffs_advanced




Lebron was doing so much on those Heat teams


Not compared to Jordan's load - Lebron wasn't even his team's leading scorer in various series, whereas Jordan led his team in scoring for every series of his career by an average of 15.4 ppg (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=406920) - so Lebron's load was nowhere NEAR Jordan's

Furthermore, the stats above show that BOTH Lebron and Jordan led their team in assists, but Jordan did so while scoring 5.5 more PPG than Lebron with better efficiency across the board (TS, FG, ORtg)

So how is Lebron "doing so much"?... Apparently, not compared to MJ.. :confusedshrug:





Jordan's game may have been more conducive to running a structured offense.


This is true, and it's only possible because Jordan was more SKILLED than Lebron:

Jordan could drop 37 ppg within Doug Collins' weaker offensive scheme, or he could be NBA scoring leader within the strictest and most sophisticated offense ever (the triangle).
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[CTbasketball92]

I agree with OP.

I think there's only so much an actual guard can do w. such a depleted roster. I really don't see anyway Michael Jordan gets to the finals in 2007. The pistons team had a bunch of great defenders and were really well-coached.

Jordan definitely wins 2011 finals because there's no way Dallas would stop his midrange game. Jordan wins in 2012 and 2013, yeah I'd say thats fair. But 2014 and 2015? No.

[3ball]

:rolleyes

[3ball]

I really don't see anyway Michael Jordan gets to the finals in 2007.


The conference was so weak at the time, that Lebron made the Finals by averaging only 25 ppg on 42% in 2nd Round, and 25 ppg on 45% in ECF against Detroit.

These would be the worst stats of any series in Jordan's career..

In playoff battles with the world champion Pistons (Dumars, Rodman), Jordan averaged 31 ppg on 48% - he wouldn't need these stats to beat the 2007 version of Detroit, who only won 53 games and started the dilapidated Webber at center.





Jordan wouldn't win in 2015


The Cavs were competitive and won 2 games in 2015 Finals, even though Lebron shot 39% against single coverage and let Iggy get 10 ppg above his normal average.

Accordingly, Jordan would've won because he never let Magic or Drexler average 10 ppg above their norm, let alone Iggy... Nor did Jordan ever shoot that poorly against single-coverage.





LeBron was Leading scorer


No all-time great led their team in scoring for every series of their careers, EXCEPT Jordan, who led his team in every series by an average of 15.4 ppg (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=406920).. Let that sink in - Jordan had the biggest scoring load ever, by FAR.

Overall, Jordan scored 5.5 more ppg than Lebron in the playoffs, with better efficiency across the board (TS, FG, ORtg) - this is more valuable and controls the game better than Lebron's 2.5 defensive rebound edge (with less offensive rebounds) and 1.0 assist edge (with more turnovers).

There's never been a #1 option that scored 5.5 more on better efficiency that wasn't considered the FAR better player - if Lebron averaged 5.5 more, he'd be on another level entirely..

[AirBonner]

Jordan's finals record without pippen is pretty abysmal. 2/4 is being very generous.

[3ball]

Jordan's finals record without pippen is pretty abysmal. 2/4 is being very generous.


Before Garnett's "big 3" in Boston, and Lebron's "big 3" in Miami, the term "big 3" didn't exist.

The term was invented to describe an uber-stacked team.

Ultimately, Lebron teamed up with 2 players who were top 5 in PER - heck, he had a 10-time all-star as his 3rd option and the 2nd goat shooter as his 4th option (rayray) - yet he only went 2/4... :eek:

If Jordan teamed up with Drexler, McHale, and Dale Ellis, he'd be 15/15.

[beastee]

If Jordan was playing today, not only would he win every finals he was in for this watered down league, but he would have an ISH account, find your post, google your address, come to your house, and shit in your throat, steal your account and post 3ball style for months.

He WAS that alpha. **** you and your dumbass opinions since you never even watched one game of the GOAT.

[AirBonner]

If Jordan was playing today, not only would he win every finals he was in for this watered down league, but he would have an ISH account, find your post, google your address, come to your house, and shit in your throat, steal your account and post 3ball style for months.

He WAS that alpha. **** you and your dumbass opinions since you never even watched one game of the GOAT.
Meltdown. Jordan's era is overrated as fvck. As soon as kobe came in (career 44% chucker) he shit all over Ordan

[beastee]

Meltdown. Jordan's era is overrated as fvck. As soon as kobe came in (career 44% chucker) he shit all over Ordan
Anything you say after posting that, invalidates your opinion. You didn't watch him play, and you clearly do not understand stats and impact. I have said it before and this post clarifies... you are the worst poster on this board.

[3ball]

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League-Wide DRtg in REGULAR SEASON:


1996: 107.6
1997: 106.7
1998: 105.0

2008: 107.5
2009: 108.3
2010: 107.6

Source: http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_stats.html



League-Wide DRtg in PLAYOFFS (each year is link to source):

1996 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1996.html#all_misc_stats): 107.4
1997 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1997.html#all_misc_stats): 106.8
1998 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1998.html#all_misc_stats): 105.6

2008 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2008.html#all_misc_stats): 107.4
2009 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2009.html#all_misc_stats): 107.7
2010 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2010.html#all_misc_stats): 108.6
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[3ball]

Meltdown. Jordan's era is overrated as fvck. As soon as kobe came in (career 44% chucker) he shit all over Ordan



DRtg, PPG and Pace were all lower during Jordan's 2nd three-peat (1996-1998) than Kobe's championship years without Shaq (2008-2010), in both regular season and playoffs (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12419685&postcount=37), yet Jordan still had better stats:.




JORDAN 1996-1998 REG SEASON:. 29.6 ppg.. 48.2% fg.. 2 MVP
BRYANT 2008-2010 REG SEASON:. 27.4 ppg.. 46.1% fg.. 1 MVP


JORDAN 1996-1998 PLAYOFFS:. 31.4 ppg.. 45.9% fg
BRYANT 2008-2010 PLAYOFFS:. 29.8 ppg.. 46.4% fg


JORDAN 1996-1998 FINALS:. 31.1 ppg.. 43.4% fg.. 3 championships.. 3 FMVP's
BRYANT 2008-2010 FINALS:. 29.2 ppg.. 41.3% fg.. 2 championships.. 2 FMVP's


Source: basketball-reference.com



Basically, prime Kobe < old man Jordan.. Imagine if we actually looked at PRIME Jordan's stats - it's amazing how much better Jordan was than Kobe.. :facepalm

[beastee]

I don't mess with the stats, because 3Ball is the GOAT on this site and will destroy just about anyone, but I have the eye test and experience watching ball that you 20 year olds just dont understand. Lebron is a GREAT player. Top 10 for sure. But when compared to Jordan, it just is such a difference in style and killer instinct, you will never understand unless you watched it live.

3Ball...:cheers: keep doing your thing.

[GrapeApe]

I agree with OP.

I think there's only so much an actual guard can do w. such a depleted roster. I really don't see anyway Michael Jordan gets to the finals in 2007. The pistons team had a bunch of great defenders and were really well-coached.

Jordan definitely wins 2011 finals because there's no way Dallas would stop his midrange game. Jordan wins in 2012 and 2013, yeah I'd say thats fair. But 2014 and 2015? No.

Pretty much this, although I do think Jordan reaches the finals in 2007. Wade torched those Pistons in 2005 and 2006 and that was with Ben Wallace. They were still a very good defensive team, but they struggled with ultra-aggressive rim attacking guards. If they couldn't slow down Wade with the DPOY it's safe to say that Jordan would give them serious problems.

I agree though that 2011 is the only year the finals outcome would be different with Jordan in place of Lebron. Jordan might get a game in 2007 against the Spurs, 2 tops. In 2014 there's no way Jordan is stopping that avalanche. Those Spurs were a well-oiled machine. Last season he would probably lose in 6 as well.

[3ball]

In 2014 there's no way Jordan is stopping that avalanche. Those Spurs were a well-oiled machine.


This is true ONLY IF you replaced Lebron with Jordan right before the Finals.

But if Jordan had been on that Heat team since 2011, the team would play completely differently... They would be known for super-smart, structured play more than the Spurs.

For one thing, We know Jordan was a SG and played off-ball, which would allow Wade to play to full capacity, just like Pippen did.





MJ loses in 2007 and 2015


Regarding 2007, it's amazing how people discount Lebron's 22 ppg on 35%, as if 32 ppg on 50% wouldn't have turned the entire series around.. All 4 games were single-digit affairs, including 1-possession nail-biters in Games 3 and 4.

In the 2015 Finals, people act like Lebron letting Iggy get 10 ppg above his normal average wasn't the difference in the series - that's why Iggy got FMVP - if Lebron holds him to his normal averages (and shoots better than 39% against the repeated single-coverage), the Cavs win.

Accordingly, Jordan would've won because he never let Magic or Drexler average 10 ppg above their norm, let alone Iggy... Nor did Jordan ever shoot that poorly against single-coverage.
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[PickernRoller]

3-ball getting trolled. Kinda deserves it for biting the bait so hard. Comes to a LeTard thread...gets baited intro trashing Kobe (not Bron) in order to prop up Jordan......writes walls of text that get him nowhere.

The Jordan fam needs better members when dealing with the Bran trash in this forum.

[3ball]

gets baited intro trashing Kobe (not Bron) in order to prop up Jordan


^^^^ Lies - I've been trashing Lebron posters the entire thread, such as Dray n Klay, who has been ghost ever since I destroyed his OP argument in post #13 (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12419408&postcount=13) of this thread.

[pauk]

I dont know, but he definitely wouldnt be 6/6....

[3ball]

:rolleyes.
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[3ball]

I dont know, but he definitely wouldnt be 6/6....


Despite Lebron's abysmal 22 ppg on 35%, all games in 2007 Finals were single-digit affairs, including one-possession nail-biters in Games 3 and 4.. Obviously, if Lebron averaged 32 ppg on 50%, the Cavs win easily (edit: Game 1 was 11-point game).

In the 2015 Finals, Lebron shot 39% against single coverage and let Iggy get 10 ppg above his normal average - obviously, if Lebron shoots 50% and holds Iggy to his normal averages, the Cavs win easily.. Accordingly, Jordan would've won because he never let Magic or Drexler average 10 ppg above their norm, let alone Iggy... Nor did Jordan ever shoot that poorly against single-coverage.

Regarding 2014 Finals - the Heat didn't lose because they had inferior talent - they lose because they played a sophomoric, vastly inferior brand of basketball.. Accordingly, if Jordan and his superior, of-ball style had been with the Heat since 2011, the team would play completely differently... They would be known for super-smart, structured play MORE than the Spurs and would be the favorites heading into that series.
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[Disaprine]

prime jordan vs the "beastern" Conference. :roll:
prime jordan vs barea, jason terry and Diaw. :roll:

[LAZERUSS]

MJ likely would have went 3-3.

Unlike Lebron, MJ would have asserted himself from day one in Miami, and not deferred to Wade. So Jordan would have won in 2011.

No way in 2007, nor 2015. Way over-matched. And let's get real in '14...Lebron was the ONLY Heat player worth a damn in that series. That Heat team was blown out by the largest margin in Finals history. No way MJ carries that pathetic crew to a title.

[Magic 32]

Jordan's finals record without pippen is pretty abysmal.

https://stuffasiseeit.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/patrick-stewart-double-facepalm.png

[3ball]

No way Jordan wins in 2015.


In the 2015 Finals, the Cavs won 2 games even though Lebron allowed Iggy to average 10 ppg above his norm.

So Jordan would've won because he never let Magic or Drexler average 10 ppg above their norm, let alone Iggy.. Nor did he ever shoot 39% against repeated single-coverage and clearouts.





No way Jordan wins in 2007.


Despite Lebron's' abysmal 22 ppg on 35%, every game in that series was a single-digit affair, including one-possession nail-biters in Games 3 and 4.

Obviously, if Lebron averaged 32 ppg on 50%, the Cavs win easily.





No way Jordan wins in 2014.


In all of these hypotheticals, we shouldn't be assuming Jordan is replacing Lebron RIGHT BEFORE the Finals - we need to assume Jordan was with the Heat from prior seasons.

Obviously, if Jordan and his superior, off-ball style had been with the Heat from prior seasons, the team would play completely differently... They would be known for super-smart, structured play MORE than the Spurs and would be the favorites heading into the 2014 Finals.

Remember - the Heat didn't lose because they had inferior talent than the Spurs - they lost because they played a vastly inferior brand of basketball, which wouldn't be the case on a Jordan-led team.
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[PsychoBe]

replace op with any other human being and they would find employment

[SexSymbol]

In 07 he wins easily, he'd just have to be slightly better than James was in those finals, and heck, even derozan is capable of that.
He wins 11 yet again, he'd just have to be slightly better than James was in those finals, and heck, even somebody like Melo is capable of that.
Obv wins in 12
wins in 13 in 5-6 games
the only question mark is 14, though I think with MJs leadership the team would have had a much higher morale to beat the spurs. And yeah, he probably wouldn't cramp up.
Definitely wins in 15, Lebron played horribly and they still had 2 wins
So either 5/6 or 6/6

[Gileraracer]

Using this logic, it seems LeBron >> Jordan

That's why no one takes you seriously

[Relinquish]

fine I'll cover them. The Hawks went to 7 vs the 38 win Nets and had trouble vs the Wizards who had a terrible coach and only did decently in the playoffs because Jesus took over Paul Pierce. Lebron wasn't the best rebounder for his team and Jordan could easily do the rest on that team best scorer, playmaker, and defender. He be better at the scoring too.

Don't forget Wall's injury in the Atlanta series. If he played every game, Wizards take that series easily.

[LebronsHairline]

:biggums:

You know the competition, legit SUPERSTARS, tough guys Jordan was facing?!! Most of BronBron's competitors is stick figures like Dirk, Durant, and a 6 feet tall light skin shooter. Or another point guard that dresses like a woman walking into the arena.

BronBron was built for the 80s/90s era but plays in the Soft Generation of whining and flopping.

This fact only makes BronBron more pathetic. He should've had more than 2 rings by now.

His recent twitter tirade shows how mentally weak his is, and need to be reeled in by Ty "stepped over by iverson" lue