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90sgoat
06-02-2016, 08:46 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KH1f2GtPKqA

Around 25 seconds.

EACH.AND.EVERY.TIME the NBA greats confirm what I'm saying, that 90% of Curry's dribbles would be called carry in other eras.

FireDavidKahn
06-02-2016, 08:58 PM
Go look up Allen Iverson if you want to know what true carrying is.

90sgoat
06-02-2016, 08:59 PM
Go look up Allen Iverson if you want to know what true carrying is.

Curry is worse.

elementally morale
06-02-2016, 09:03 PM
I played organized FIBA basketball for 15+ years. I know it's called differently in the NBA and it's been so for like 30 years, but still to this day I see travelling all ove the place. I mean like 90% of the time it's a travel.

I see players taking steps before starting dribbling all the time.

90sgoat
06-02-2016, 09:06 PM
I played organized FIBA basketball for 15+ years. I know it's called differently in the NBA and it's been so for like 30 years, but still to this day I see travelling all ove the place. I mean like 90% of the time it's a travel.

I see players taking steps before starting dribbling all the time.

My man:rockon:

Same here, literally, these point guards walk the ball up and everyone who played for 50 years will be like 'that's a carry on every dribble'.

That's not even counting the now legal 3-steps, which lead to absurd continuation fouls, where a defender has to continue playing AFTER the call, because otherwise, if you're fouled on first step you have 2 more steps to get to the basket.

ABSURD!

elementally morale
06-02-2016, 09:11 PM
My man:rockon:

Same here, literally, these point guards walk the ball up and everyone who played for 50 years will be like 'that's a carry on every dribble'.

That's not even counting the now legal 3-steps, which lead to absurd continuation fouls, where a defender has to continue playing AFTER the call, because otherwise, if you're fouled on first step you have 2 more steps to get to the basket.

ABSURD!


At least 50% of all highlight dunks are blatant travels. And 95% of ankle breakers are a direct result of carrying the ball. It's hard getting used to it, even though I know it is called differently in the NBA. I can't help myself... watching plays and saying to myself. But---but... that was travelling! That was a carry.

I wouldn't have lasted 5 minutes in FIBA playing that way. (The way it is called in the NBA results in it being more entertaining though, I have to admit.) But from a purist POV, it is a sad display of basketball.

CuterThanRubio
06-02-2016, 09:16 PM
I've got you losing your mind out here, relax and accept it, nobody cares about what Jerry West thinks, I'm sorry.


http://gmbox.ru/files/images/8/35423542352.gif

^Most famous carry ever

LAZERUSS
06-02-2016, 10:14 PM
Used to be if you caught a pass, dropped it, picked it up, and then dribbled again, it was considered a double dribble. Now I see that happen all the time.

And again, if the hand dips below the equator of the ball while dribbling, it is palming (or carrying.)

And of course, the old rule of one-and-a-half steps has gone out the window, as well. Thanks to the "Euro Step", we see guys running down the lane without dribbling at all.

It is what it is I guess.

But West is right...if you were to transport these guys back to the 60's and 70's, they wouldn't get the ball past half court.

elementally morale
06-02-2016, 10:20 PM
Used to be if you caught a pass, dropped it, picked it up, and then dribbled again, it was considered a double dribble. Now I see that happen all the time.

Yes, I see that happening all the time. But if they call it this way why don't they change the rules?

Jameerthefear
06-02-2016, 10:21 PM
Used to be if you caught a pass, dropped it, picked it up, and then dribbled again, it was considered a double dribble. Now I see that happen all the time.

And again, if the hand dips below the equator of the ball while dribbling, it is palming (or carrying.)

And of course, the old rule of one-and-a-half steps has gone out the window, as well. Thanks to the "Euro Step", we see guys running down the lane without dribbling at all.

It is what it is I guess.

But West is right...if you were to transport these guys back to the 60's and 70's, they wouldn't get the ball past half court.
No one cares you senile piece of shit

LAZERUSS
06-02-2016, 10:21 PM
Yes, I see that happening all the time. But if they call it this way why don't they change the rules?

Agreed.

:cheers:

Kvnzhangyay
06-02-2016, 10:23 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KH1f2GtPKqA

Around 25 seconds.

EACH.AND.EVERY.TIME the NBA greats confirm what I'm saying, that 90% of Curry's dribbles would be called carry in other eras.

Why does that matter if it isn't being called now? That's all that matters

LAZERUSS
06-02-2016, 10:24 PM
No one cares you senile piece of shit

I see you have yet another 10 year old girl as an avatar.

elementally morale
06-02-2016, 10:25 PM
Why does that matter if it isn't being called now? That's all that matters

Because by the rulebook you can still call it any time. For example, when they do call a travel every once in a while, I usually don't get it. Why that travel and not the other 15 in the same quarter? Reffing games becomes unpredictable this way.

Kvnzhangyay
06-02-2016, 10:29 PM
Because by the rulebook you can still call it any time. For example, when they do call a travel every once in a while, I usually don't get it. Why that travel and not the other 15 in the same quarter? Reffing games becomes unpredictable this way.

Considering I don't even remember the last time they called a carry, it's not unpredictable at all.

Sure you can argue they're always breaking the rules, but if you're always breaking the rules, wouldn't breaking the rules be the norm?

Also can't blame players for taking advantage :confusedshrug: You can blame the NBA for the rules but you can't direct it at players who are just seeking competitive advantage lol

G-train
06-02-2016, 10:29 PM
This has been the case since Stern loosened up the rules to promote Jordan.

DonDadda59
06-02-2016, 10:30 PM
nobody cares about what Jerry West thinks

:facepalm

NBA teams pay him handsomely for his opinion. He's one of the greatest talent evaluators the NBA has ever seen and was integral in putting together teams like the 3-peat Shaq/Kobe Lakers.

LAZERUSS
06-02-2016, 10:35 PM
One more thing...somehow teams now have a ton of timeouts, as well as "official" timeouts. It used to be you would watch a game with true "runs"...teams scoring 10-20 points in a span of five minutes. Now, if a team scores on back-to-back possessions, there is a timeout.

And yet these guys can only play 36 mpg?

CuterThanRubio
06-02-2016, 10:44 PM
:facepalm

NBA teams pay him handsomely for his opinion. He's one of the greatest talent evaluators the NBA has ever seen and was integral in putting together teams like the 3-peat Shaq/Kobe Lakers.

I sure hope you know that talent evaluation and rule interpretation are not the same thing, how hard was it to see that Kobe and Shaq were going to be great players, I wouldn't call them diamonds in the rough (:hammerhead: )


Every single old timer who has complained about the modern NBA was a perennial choker, 0scar, Elgin and now West, what gives?

You could put modern rules into effect and Jerry wouldn't have been doing any better, his ancient handling skills can't match up.

elementally morale
06-02-2016, 10:58 PM
Also can't blame players for taking advantage :confusedshrug: You can blame the NBA for the rules but you can't direct it at players who are just seeking competitive advantage lol

I'm not blaming the players. It's just disturbing some of the time.