This is where GSW's great team system "hurts" Curry

[ScalsFan21]

I put that in quotes because I really believe he doesn't care about individual awards (never in my life have I seen so much emphasis placed on FMVP and other media-chosen awards, to the point where I've seen it implied that LeBron "threw" 2011 only semi-facetiously, or that Iggy was actually the most valuable player last year).

If Curry wins the chip, moves to 0-2 in FMVP and remains "ZVC", that's all cute to rag on him about but when you get down to it, it's just a misleading BS stat that ignores literally all context. First of all let's not act like Curry wasn't the true FMVP last year, and if they beat Cleveland 4/7, he will almost certainly be the true FMVP yet again. Keyword: valuable. Let's not act like the Cavs shading defenders over to make him de facto double teamed nearly every time he touched the ball last year wasn't a huge part of why he "only" laid down a 26-5-6 on 59% TS (identical TS% to Iggy on twice the volume through essentially twice the defensive attention).

Curry IS that good offensively. His hockey assists, ability to be a premier playmaker by using his scoring threat flawlessly to set up others, etc. are really tough to quantify, but it's obvious. Tonight, you could argue that was missing and that his historically stacked supporting cast carried him to this win, but when a guy like Curry (or LeBron for that matter) is on the court, no matter what numbers he puts up, he is constantly making things easier for other guys. In Steph's case he just draws so much of (and tires out) the defense with his off-ball cuts and moving without the ball.

TL;DR: Iggy played excellent D on LeBron last year, though it wasn't really true single coverage as they typically had a big shading over in the paint obviously to prevent the drive. That takes nothing away from him though, given how undersized he was. He also knocked down a lot of big shots that really helped swing the tide in their favor and made key plays on both ends, but to me, he was NOT truly the most valuable player on the court for Golden State in last year's NBA Finals. Steph Curry was. And if they take 4 games from Cleveland this year, that will almost certainly be the case yet again.

[Prime_Shaq]

I don't think Curry gives a shit anyway, winning another chip is all that matters.

[ScalsFan21]

I don't think Curry gives a shit anyway, winning another chip is all that matters.

Agreed, he doesn't care. Which is another positive Curry trait that lends itself to winning play. My point is, essentially penalizing Curry for not winning FMVP when Cleveland was (and is still) game-planning to let other guys beat them is just dumb. The fact that he has all-time historic help doesn't mean that he hasn't been the most valuable Warrior in just about every series he's played in.

[Funktion]

I don't think Curry gives a shit anyway, winning another chip is all that matters.

Exactly. Do the Cavs have any idea who to guard next game? Steph guarding Lebron and Lebron passing? :facepalm

[LAZERUSS]

Of course, playing with a roster that likely would win 60+ games, and challenge for the title without him..."helps" him quite a bit, too.

[stalkerforlife]

Just win, baby.

That's all that matters in the end.

[ScalsFan21]

Of course, playing with a roster that likely would win 60+ games, and challenge for the title without him..."helps" him quite a bit, too.

No argument here, that's 100% true.

[Quickening]

Agreed, he doesn't care. Which is another positive Curry trait that lends itself to winning play. My point is, essentially penalizing Curry for not winning FMVP when Cleveland was (and is still) game-planning to let other guys beat them is just dumb. The fact that he has all-time historic help doesn't mean that he hasn't been the most valuable Warrior in just about every series he's played in.

What point are you even making? Penalizing Curry in what sense? If people are going to call Curry the best offensive player ever, and he shoots like chit in game 1 he will get criticised heavily, like any other star of a team would.

An issue with Curry is that when he isn't shooting well, 3-4 other players on GSW still dominates and outshine him because they are all star calibre players themselves.

You cannot have it both ways. He has a very deep team, and therefore he can have a terrible game in the finals and his team still wins by double figures. But then he isn't going to get the same credit as a superstar whose team relies on him to play well to win.

And whatever you say, I certainly think it hurt Curry that he didn't win fmvp last year. Maybe he felt the pressure of performing well today and that's why he shot so poorly, who knows...

And the reason GSW won was because their bench outscored cavs bench by about 40 points, that had nothing to do with currys spacing. They're just ridiculously deep across the board.

[oarabbus]

Lmao man... As long as the Warriors win a title I give no shits about any of this

[ScalsFan21]

What point are you even making? Penalizing Curry in what sense? If people are going to call Curry the best offensive player ever, and he shoots like chit in game 1 he will get criticised heavily, like any other star of a team would.

An issue with Curry is that when he isn't shooting well, 3-4 other players on GSW still dominates and outshine him because they are all star calibre players themselves.

You cannot have it both ways. He has a very deep team, and therefore he can have a terrible game in the finals and his team still wins by double figures. But then he isn't going to get the same credit as a superstar whos team relies on him to play well to win.

I'm not giving him a pass for his Game 1 crap performance whatsoever, I'm not defending it in any way. It was bad. Last season's finals on the other hand, was not bad. In fact he performed the best on his team both in terms of on-court impact, as well as statistically. His bad play tonight reminded me of how much criticism he gets (speaking mainly about ISH, mind you, not that it's something he gets lambasted for in general) because he lost a media-based award to a role playing teammate. That's my main point and something I believed for awhile. FMVP/MVP/other awards can be extremely misleading, and I think this is the latest example.

He does have incredible help, and at times it bails him out. They have a top 4 at worst team without Curry. Tonight was definitely one of those times where he got away with mediocre play.

[tpols]

What point are you even making? Penalizing Curry in what sense? If people are going to call Curry the best offensive player ever, and he shoots like chit in game 1 he will get criticised heavily, like any other star of a team would.

An issue with Curry is that when he isn't shooting well, 3-4 other players on GSW still dominates and outshine him because they are all star calibre players themselves.

You cannot have it both ways. He has a very deep team, and therefore he can have a terrible game in the finals and his team still wins by double figures. But then he isn't going to get the same credit as a superstar whose team relies on him to play well to win.

And whatever you say, I certainly think it hurt Curry that he didn't win fmvp last year. Maybe he felt the pressure of performing well today and that's why he shot so poorly, who knows...

you're being shortsighted.

Curry isnt going to do that every game, and he already has huge playoff moments in every series hes played in. (come from behind daggers in Portland, "paul allen game", 30+ppg average triple doubles in the three elimination games against OKC) and he will add something like that to this series, whether the warriors win or not.

[KiiiiNG]

I put that in quotes because I really believe he doesn't care about individual awards (never in my life have I seen so much emphasis placed on FMVP and other media-chosen awards, to the point where I've seen it implied that LeBron "threw" 2011 only semi-facetiously, or that Iggy was actually the most valuable player last year).

If Curry wins the chip, moves to 0-2 in FMVP and remains "ZVC", that's all cute to rag on him about but when you get down to it, it's just a misleading BS stat that ignores literally all context. First of all let's not act like Curry wasn't the true FMVP last year, and if they beat Cleveland 4/7, he will almost certainly be the true FMVP yet again. Keyword: valuable. Let's not act like the Cavs shading defenders over to make him de facto double teamed nearly every time he touched the ball last year wasn't a huge part of why he "only" laid down a 26-5-6 on 59% TS (identical TS% to Iggy on twice the volume through essentially twice the defensive attention).

Curry IS that good offensively. His hockey assists, ability to be a premier playmaker by using his scoring threat flawlessly to set up others, etc. are really tough to quantify, but it's obvious. Tonight, you could argue that was missing and that his historically stacked supporting cast carried him to this win, but when a guy like Curry (or LeBron for that matter) is on the court, no matter what numbers he puts up, he is constantly making things easier for other guys. In Steph's case he just draws so much of (and tires out) the defense with his off-ball cuts and moving without the ball.

TL;DR: Iggy played excellent D on LeBron last year, though it wasn't really true single coverage as they typically had a big shading over in the paint obviously to prevent the drive. That takes nothing away from him though, given how undersized he was. He also knocked down a lot of big shots that really helped swing the tide in their favor and made key plays on both ends, but to me, he was NOT truly the most valuable player on the court for Golden State in last year's NBA Finals. Steph Curry was. And if they take 4 games from Cleveland this year, that will almost certainly be the case yet again.
Didn't read any of this you f@ggot. Putting hurts in quotations was a dead giveaway that you're a curry stan.

He's a liability when he's not hitting shots, and there's no other way around it. His defense sucks compared to everyone else on the team... his play-making is... mediocre at best. Usually just makes a simple pass to the open big man... rarely does he actually penetrate and make plays for others... or himself. That's because he lacks an inside presence, he can't just "force" himself to the basket like other superstars. His only purpose in life is to hit outside shots... and when that doesn't happen, he's a NEGATIVE. Get it through your thick c*m stained head of yours you babbling moron.

[Quickening]

I'm not giving him a pass for his Game 1 crap performance whatsoever, I'm not defending it in any way. It was bad. Last season's finals on the other hand, was not bad. In fact he performed the best on his team both in terms of on-court impact, as well as statistically. His bad play tonight reminded me of how much criticism he gets (speaking mainly about ISH, mind you, not that it's something he gets lambasted for in general) because he lost a media-based award to a role playing teammate. That's my main point and something I believed for awhile. FMVP/MVP/other awards can be extremely misleading, and I think this is the latest example.

He does have incredible help, and at times it bails him out. They have a top 4 at worst team without Curry. Tonight was definitely one of those times where he got away with mediocre play.

Well any anything can be misleading including championships on a players resume. Curry could play to a similar level for the rest of the series and GSW still will win the championship they're that deep.

But any superstar would get criticised heavily if a role playing team mate won the fmvp... can you imagine what people would be saying if JR Smith won an fmvp whilst playing with Lebron.

[ScalsFan21]

Well any anything can be misleading including championships on a players resume. Curry could play to a similar level for the rest of the series and GSW still will win the championship they're that deep.

But any superstar would get criticised heavily if a role playing team mate won the fmvp... can you imagine what people would be saying if JR Smith won an fmvp whilst playing with Lebron.

It's true, it would be an insane overreaction if something like that were to happen, but yeah I just mean it all depends on the context of how the series plays out to me, which is why I am not a fan of these awards. Watching the 2015 Finals, it just felt like Curry had the most impact on that series win just because of how his mere presence was able to create so many open shots and quality possessions, but because that wasn't a quantifiable statistic (and Iggy played great defense on top of doing his job on offense), I feel like that gets overlooked.

I'm not saying he outplayed Iggy over that six game span by some insane margin that made giving it to Iggy some crime, hell even as a LeBron fan I was happy Iggy was able to get an award like that since Curry has plenty of time to rack up accolades and doesn't need it. I just think people get too caught up in awards like these in some situations, and this is one example.

[FKAri]

It's true, it would be an insane overreaction if something like that were to happen, but yeah I just mean it all depends on the context of how the series plays out to me, which is why I am not a fan of these awards. Watching the 2015 Finals, it just felt like Curry had the most impact on that series win just because of how his mere presence was able to create so many open shots and quality possessions, but because that wasn't a quantifiable statistic (and Iggy played great defense on top of doing his job on offense), I feel like that gets overlooked.

I'm not saying he outplayed Iggy over that six game span by some insane margin that made giving it to Iggy some crime, hell even as a LeBron fan I was happy Iggy was able to get an award like that since Curry has plenty of time to rack up accolades and doesn't need it. I just think people get too caught up in awards like these in some situations, and this is one example.

Curry shoulda still gotten FMVP imo

[warriorfan]

Didn't read any of this you f@ggot. Putting hurts in quotations was a dead giveaway that you're a curry stan.

He's a liability when he's not hitting shots, and there's no other way around it. His defense sucks compared to everyone else on the team... his play-making is... mediocre at best. Usually just makes a simple pass to the open big man... rarely does he actually penetrate and make plays for others... or himself. That's because he lacks an inside presence, he can't just "force" himself to the basket like other superstars. His only purpose in life is to hit outside shots... and when that doesn't happen, he's a NEGATIVE. Get it through your thick c*m stained head of yours you babbling moron.

meltdown

[Inferno]

Lmao man... As long as the Warriors win a title I give no shits about any of this

Yeah :lol

If Steph plays like he usually does and the Dubs win, I expect him to get the FMVP but I doubt he really cares if someone like Klay gets hot for the series and gets it

[DCL]

if the warriors get another ring this year, nobody on their team would give a shit who gets FMVP.

[Hey Yo]

you're being shortsighted.

Curry isnt going to do that every game, and he already has huge playoff moments in every series hes played in. (come from behind daggers in Portland, "paul allen game", 30+ppg average triple doubles in the three elimination games against OKC) and he will add something like that to this series, whether the warriors win or not.
Spoken like a true Kobe fan. "Look what he did in the first 3 rounds....it's ok if he has shitty games in the Finals.

Curry had more turnovers than he did FG's....but thats ok in the Finals.

:facepalm