Why is Jesus white? - Muhammad Ali

[brownmamba00]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtxfTEyJZg4

:applause:

[Lebron23]

Jesus was Palestinian.

[knickballer]

While Ali makes some great points it's kinda ironic his conversion to Islam considering the Arab slave trade was thriving in Africa for centuries before the Europeans arrived.

[StephHamann]

Why is Darth Vader black?

[Long Duck Dong]

It was a good move for Ali to convert to Islam. Mohammad affectionately referred to people like Ali as "raisin heads".

[9erempiree]

Reminds me of Donald Trump.

We need more of these Type A GOAT personalities.

Not afraid to say thing on camera.

Bravo!

[Akrazotile]

It was a good move for Ali to convert to Islam. Mohammad affectionately referred to people like Ali as "raisin heads".


His opinion that "all white people are devils" was also the cause for him to literally blame whites for the existence of homosexuality (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Tyad99ncEp0)


I mean dont get me wrong, I understand it's fine for him to be a bigot since he was black and boxed good.

But I mean Im just sayin.

[Akrazotile]

Reminds me of Donald Trump.

We need more of these Type A GOAT personalities.

Not afraid to say thing on camera.

Bravo!


I agree people should say how they really feel.


We just need a *ahem* "certain segment" of the public to be more consistent in how welcoming they are of that.

[DonDadda59]

White Evangelicals all over America right now are waiting with bated breath for their idea of Jesus to come back to Earth for the Rapture. This is probably the picture they have in their minds:

http://static.socialitelife.com/uploads/2009/07/naked-cowboy-nyc-mayor-07222009-01-435x580.jpg

Now imagine their surprise when he comes back looking like... you know... a Palestinian from 2,000 years ago:

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/453891867810091008/niBq5Dfr_400x400.jpeg

Scientology would immediately become the fastest growing religion on Earth. :lol

[Akrazotile]

White Evangelicals all over America right now are waiting with bated breath for their idea of Jesus to come back to Earth for the Rapture. This is probably the picture they have in their minds:

http://static.socialitelife.com/uploads/2009/07/naked-cowboy-nyc-mayor-07222009-01-435x580.jpg




That's definitely the pic Id be hopin for

[NumberSix]

Jesus was Palestinian.
Syrian

[DonDadda59]

Syrian

:no:

German/Scottish/Irish.

http://41.media.tumblr.com/8f6fd9ea3ce6bfb2674906aa9a9ac2f2/tumblr_inline_nxf0qoEbHX1rctnyb_400.jpg

Praise him. :bowdown:

[Akrazotile]

:no:

German/Scottish/Irish.

http://41.media.tumblr.com/8f6fd9ea3ce6bfb2674906aa9a9ac2f2/tumblr_inline_nxf0qoEbHX1rctnyb_400.jpg

Praise him. :bowdown:



Looks mostly Polish to me. Im curious what that symbol is on his chest beneath the cross. Anyone know?

[Soundwave]

double post

[Soundwave]

Ali's positions at the time were based on the Nation of Islam, which he left after a few years because he eventually disagreed. Malcolm X also left the NOI. From what I know he was never hostile or angry towards anyone of any race outside of the ring and had many, many friends/colleagues of other races.

Later in his life he had evolved more towards Sufism I believe and even beyond that, almost to a pan-religious POV where he felt like all religions were just streams/rivers of water with truths in them or something like that.

I remember having to do a high school report on him.

http://i.imgur.com/IKvXe9A.png

Two great champs. What an incredible life.

As for Jesus, he probably looked closer to this in reality:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/0f/f1/e9/0ff1e96e135abab6fa95e10dfdee245b.jpg

If you want a white, European looking messiah, then I dunno? Pick a European religion maybe? There are many pagan ones, some of them are pretty cool.

[Akrazotile]

Ali's positions at the time were based on the Nation of Islam, which he left after a few years because he eventually disagreed. Malcolm X also left the NOI. From what I know he was never hostile or angry towards anyone of any race outside of the ring and had many, many friends/colleagues of other races.



Ah, the ol "but Ive got plenty of white friends" excuse, huh? :lol

[Soundwave]

Ah, the ol "but Ive got plenty of white friends" excuse, huh? :lol

Yes I agree that can be a grating excuse but in Ali's case I think it was legit. Some of his closest friends were people like Howard Cossel and Angelo Dundee. Beyond he also did disavow racist statements on the record too.

He was always very generous with his time to any white person who treated him nicely too, especially kids.

I personally don't think he was a racist, I can understand even as a white person the appeal of the NOI in the 1960s to a black person. They were humilated and treated like dogs (well probably worse) on a daily basis, the idea of a group that said black people were kings and carried themselves with dignity I could see having tremendous appeal.

Now they also have some nuttier ideas in the fine print, and Ali and others like Malcolm X eventually did leave.

The 50s/60s/70s was simply a more dramatic time in American history and Ali was, like him or not, at the middle of it, a huge part of American history. Ali was such a personality that even many flat out racists I think came to eventually respect him, the man was a force of nature.

It's kind of sad what we have in comparison ... Justin Bieber and Taylor Swift, lol, I don't give a crap about meeting any of these people.

[Akrazotile]

Yes I agree that can be a grating excuse but in Ali's case I think it was legit. Some of his closest friends were people like Howard Cossel and Angelo Dundee. Beyond he also did disavow racist statements on the record too.

He was always very generous with his time to any white person who treated him nicely too, especially kids.

I personally don't think he was a racist, I can understand even as a white person the appeal of the NOI in the 1960s to a black person. They were humilated and treated like dogs (well probably worse) on a daily basis, the idea of a group that said black people were kings and carried themselves with dignity I could see having tremendous appeal.

Now they also have some nuttier ideas in the fine print, and Ali and others like Malcolm X eventually did leave.

The 50s/60s/70s was simply a more dramatic time in American history and Ali was, like him or not, at the middle of it, a huge part of American history. Ali was such a personality that even many flat out racists I think came to eventually respect him, the man was a force of nature.

It's kind of sad what we have in comparison ... Justin Bieber and Taylor Swift, lol, I don't give a crap about meeting any of these people.



Yeah, I hear what youre saying. I just think it's interesting that he's 'allowed' to act like a racist prick but if a white person behaves even slightly comparably, theyre burned at the stake. And it's the people who hold these double standards that are constantly preaching 'equality.'

Do we want equality or not? It's funny seeing the "tolerance, equality!" crowd slurping Hambo Ali, who was a virulent racist, homophobe, and mysogynist. Hell, try talking about Ty Cobb or some other old white athlete today without it being brought up "what racist he is!!!!" Hell, college liberals prob would demand all evidence of Ty Cobb's existence dropped down the memory hole into oblivion.

But they love Muhamed Ali!!!

It's just a double standard. It's black privilege. It's a microaggression, and Im triggered, and I want reparations.

Someone has to protect my feelings.

[Soundwave]

Yeah, I hear what youre saying. I just think it's interesting that he's 'allowed' to act like a racist prick but if a white person behaves even slightly comparably, theyre burned at the stake. And it's the people who hold these double standards that are constantly preaching 'equality.'

Do we want equality or not? It's funny seeing the "tolerance, equality!" crowd slurping Hambo Ali, who was a virulent racist, homophobe, and mysogynist. Hell, try talking about Ty Cobb or some other old white athlete today without it being brought up "what racist he is!!!!" Hell, college liberals prob would demand all evidence of Ty Cobb's existence dropped down the memory hole into oblivion.

But they love Muhamed Ali!!!

It's just a double standard. It's black privilege. It's a microaggression, and Im triggered, and I want reparations.

Someone has to protect my feelings.

If he had stayed with the NOI and maintained those beliefs for his entire life I would agree he's a racist, but he didn't.

It isn't a double standard, even racist people I think eventually came to love Ali, lol, his spirit was so indomitable.

I don't know enough about Ty Cobb to really make a judgement call on that.

Ali transcended being just an athlete to every ethnicity, you are probably talking about one of the most famous people to ever have lived in the history of mankind.

[brownmamba00]

Yeah, I hear what youre saying. I just think it's interesting that he's 'allowed' to act like a racist prick but if a white person behaves even slightly comparably, theyre burned at the stake. And it's the people who hold these double standards that are constantly preaching 'equality.'

Do we want equality or not? It's funny seeing the "tolerance, equality!" crowd slurping Hambo Ali, who was a virulent racist, homophobe, and mysogynist. Hell, try talking about Ty Cobb or some other old white athlete today without it being brought up "what racist he is!!!!" Hell, college liberals prob would demand all evidence of Ty Cobb's existence dropped down the memory hole into oblivion.

But they love Muhamed Ali!!!

It's just a double standard. It's black privilege. It's a microaggression, and Im triggered, and I want reparations.

Someone has to protect my feelings.

You sound like a fakkett

White priviliged one at that

[Akrazotile]

You sound like a fakkett

White priviliged one at that



Excuse me, ISH is my safe space. Reduce the aggression in your tone NOW or I will report you to Steve.

[Goofsta Knicca]

http://www.sportspickle.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/he-got-game-1.png

[bdreason]

Why are women dogs?

[Dresta]

White Evangelicals all over America right now are waiting with bated breath for their idea of Jesus to come back to Earth for the Rapture. This is probably the picture they have in their minds:

http://static.socialitelife.com/uploads/2009/07/naked-cowboy-nyc-mayor-07222009-01-435x580.jpg

Now imagine their surprise when he comes back looking like... you know... a Palestinian from 2,000 years ago:

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/453891867810091008/niBq5Dfr_400x400.jpeg

Scientology would immediately become the fastest growing religion on Earth. :lol


Dumbass. The race of Jesus is irrelevant; in actuality, he preached a doctrine of human equality (and dignity) and universalism that has broken down the barriers of race more than anything else.

Though Semites can generally be referred to as "white", so such semantics become even more ridiculous and petty to go on about.

And why are you talking about "Palestinians?" That was the province of Judea, which was later merged with Syria by the Romans and renamed Syria Palaestina so as to deliberately sever the Jewish connection to the land (because they revoted).

But anything to parrot a buzzword I guess?

[gigantes]

As for Jesus, he probably looked closer to this in reality:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/0f/f1/e9/0ff1e96e135abab6fa95e10dfdee245b.jpg
so you're saying he looked...... semitic?

shocking! (http://www.redbookmag.com/life/a41399/jesus-real-face/)

[DonDadda59]

Dumbass. The race of Jesus is irrelevant; in actuality, he preached a doctrine of human equality (and dignity) and universalism that has broken down the barriers of race more than anything else.

Though Semites can generally be referred to as "white", so such semantics become even more ridiculous and petty to go on about.

And why are you talking about "Palestinians?" That was the province of Judea, which was later merged with Syria by the Romans and renamed Syria Palaestina so as to deliberately sever the Jewish connection to the land (because they revoted).

But anything to parrot a buzzword I guess?

Which is why he has been portrayed in a Eurocentric way for centuries even though anyone with sense knew he was from the Middle East? :confusedshrug:

Let's be serious, if the bronze-skinned Jesus from the Middle East tried to get into America under the Trump Presidency... He'd probably be shipped to Guantanamo Bay real quick.

No way in hell the average Southern Evangelical is going to follow a Brown man from the Middle East, hence:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y181/lush-a-lot/lush%20products/LushWhitewashOrangeSmoothie.jpg

[DonDadda59]

so you're saying he looked...... semitic?

shocking! (http://www.redbookmag.com/life/a41399/jesus-real-face/)

Jesus = The Rachel Dolezal of Religion.

http://wp.production.patheos.com/blogs/exploringourmatrix/files/2015/06/Jesus-identifies-as-white.png

[Akrazotile]

Jesus = The Rachel Dolezal of Religion.

http://wp.production.patheos.com/blogs/exploringourmatrix/files/2015/06/Jesus-identifies-as-white.png



Bruh, millions of jews turned white over the centuries due to the same evolutionary mechanisms that initially made the rest of Europe white.

Surely living predominantly in Europe over 2000 years would have the same effect on Christ.

People's features change as they get older. Nobody is older than Jesus. Not sure why anyone would think it's not perfectly conceivable he'd be white at this point.

[DonDadda59]

Bruh, millions of jews turned white over the centuries due to the same evolutionary mechanisms that initially made the rest of Europe white.

Surely living predominantly in Europe over 2000 years would have the same effect on Christ.

People's features change as they get older. Nobody is older than Jesus. Not sure why anyone would think it's not perfectly conceivable he'd be white at this point.

If we're being completely real... Keeping it 100 as the kids say, Jesus was 100% African. No one drop rule in this bitch. Ancestry.com can confirm this.

[gigantes]

Jesus = The Rachel Dolezal of Religion.
just scanned her WP...

so she was "born white, but converted to black?"

is it okay with her if i convert to australian aborigine? i've always thought those people were interesting!

[gigantes]

Bruh, millions of jews turned white over the centuries due to the same evolutionary mechanisms that initially made the rest of Europe white.
actually, from everything i've read, jews turned 'white' over time mainly because so many white people converted to judaism for one reason or another. that doesn't include sammy davis jr., of course, but it does involve walter sobchak.

there is a famous kingdom (i think in the caucasus region) whose populace entirely converted simply because the royals did. i'm walking out the door right now, but i trust you with google...

[Dresta]

Which is why he has been portrayed in a Eurocentric way for centuries even though anyone with sense knew he was from the Middle East? :confusedshrug:

Let's be serious, if the bronze-skinned Jesus from the Middle East tried to get into America under the Trump Presidency... He'd probably be shipped to Guantanamo Bay real quick.

No way in hell the average Southern Evangelical is going to follow a Brown man from the Middle East, hence:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y181/lush-a-lot/lush%20products/LushWhitewashOrangeSmoothie.jpg
Are you stupid or something? Did you expect European art not to be Eurocentric?

Damn...

And we don't know what Jesus looked like anyway. There are plenty of fair-skinned people from the Levant region; it's not like someone took a photograph. People spent ages claiming that Hannibal was "black" too just because his native country was in Africa, but turns out the Carthaginians were more similar to the Portugese than any other modern people (i.e. tan, like most of the important peoples of the ancient world). Pale-faced whiteys were largely busy being barbarian savages at this time.

[DonDadda59]

Are you stupid or something? Did you expect European art not to be Eurocentric?

Stupid is what stupid does. :confusedshrug:

Do you honestly think that Europeans and their descendants on other continents would be so quick to follow this man:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/0f/f1/e9/0ff1e96e135abab6fa95e10dfdee245b.jpg

As opposed to the wholesale white-washing that occurred for 2 millenia?

Of course not. Only an idiot would argue that.



Damn...

And we don't know what Jesus looked like anyway. There are plenty of fair-skinned people from the Levant region; it's not like someone took a photograph. People spent ages claiming that Hannibal was "black" too just because his native country was in Africa, but turns out the Carthaginians were more similar to the Portugese than any other modern people (i.e. tan, like most of the important peoples of the ancient world). Pale-faced whiteys were largely busy being barbarian savages at this time.

Jesus was as Black as the Ace of Spades, bruh. Religion and Science confirms this.

[Akrazotile]

actually, from everything i've read, jews turned 'white' over time mainly because so many white people converted to judaism for one reason or another. that doesn't include sammy davis jr., of course, but it does involve walter sobchak.

there is a famous kingdom (i think in the caucasus region) whose populace entirely converted simply because the royals did. i'm walking out the door right now, but i trust you with google...


Theyre called the Khazars and dont worry I know far more about them than you. Theyre not the jews that Rashi and Maimonides draw lineage from nor most jews of today. They were simply JINO's and eventually dissipated, there's little evidence they practiced any jewish customs. Whereas most jews today come from ancestry that was culturally jewish and practiced jewry in Europe proper for centuries.

[Dresta]

Stupid is what stupid does. :confusedshrug:

Do you honestly think that Europeans and their descendants on other continents would be so quick to follow this man:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/0f/f1/e9/0ff1e96e135abab6fa95e10dfdee245b.jpg

As opposed to the wholesale white-washing that occurred for 2 millenia?

Of course not. Only an idiot would argue that.




Jesus was as Black as the Ace of Spades, bruh. Religion and Science confirms this.
And yet St. Paul, the man who brought Christianity to Europe, was a Jew from Tarsus (just north of Syria), and was likely of a similar kind of ethnic appearance; yet he somehow managed to preach and spread the word in Europe (a non-European!!).

Europeans followed the teachings of Jesus before there even existed any art-work of the man, and when they knew very well where he was from. But by all means, keep prattling away like some annoying child who thinks he's discovered something clever (when it's really just a petty and trivial thing no-one else gives much of a shit about).

[DonDadda59]

And yet St. Paul, the man who brought Christianity to Europe, was a Jew from Tarsus (just north of Syria), and was likely of a similar kind of ethnic appearance; yet he somehow managed to preach and spread the word in Europe (a non-European!!).

Paul was a fraud, an apostate to the law according to the original Jewish-Christian followers of Jesus. His main goal in life was to expand the Jesus movement to the gentiles by merging it with the already established pagan religions that were dominant. I'm sure that involved portraying Jesus (whom he never actually met or knew, mind you) in the likeness of the European Gods in the areas he preached.

Just a guess. :lol


Europeans followed the teachings of Jesus before there even existed any art-work of the man, and when they knew very well where he was from. But by all means, keep prattling away like some annoying child who thinks he's discovered something clever (when it's really just a petty and trivial thing no-one else gives much of a shit about).

Except for the people who for 2,000 years went out of their way to portray a Jew from the Middle East in the likeness of Cesare Borgia and other Europeans. :lol

[LikeABosh]

The depiction of Jesus is influenced based on the culture depicting him, shocking.

[gigantes]

Theyre called the Khazars and dont worry I know far more about them than you. Theyre not the jews that Rashi and Maimonides draw lineage from nor most jews of today. They were simply JINO's and eventually dissipated, there's little evidence they practiced any jewish customs. Whereas most jews today come from ancestry that was culturally jewish and practiced jewry in Europe proper for centuries.
i like your certainty upon the matter, ajzroctles... sorry, your name is hard to remember or pronounce, as you probably know.

so then, let's get in to it. what's your take upon the KHAZARS, and why does your especially ingenious take upon the matter seem to differ so much upon historians...?

[Mr Feeny]

And yet St. Paul, the man who brought Christianity to Europe, was a Jew from Tarsus (just north of Syria), and was likely of a similar kind of ethnic appearance; yet he somehow managed to preach and spread the word in Europe (a non-European!!).

Europeans followed the teachings of Jesus before there even existed any art-work of the man, and when they knew very well where he was from. But by all means, keep prattling away like some annoying child who thinks he's discovered something clever (when it's really just a petty and trivial thing no-one else gives much of a shit about).

Paul was a clown tbf.
If we're discussing Jesus, then let's discuss Jesus. Not some fraud

[Mr Feeny]

Paul was a fraud, an apostate to the law according to the original Jewish-Christian followers of Jesus. His main goal in life was to expand the Jesus movement to the gentiles by merging it with the already established pagan religions that were dominant. I'm sure that involved portraying Jesus (whom he never actually met or knew, mind you) in the likeness of the European Gods in the areas he preached.

Just a guess. :lol



Except for the people who for 2,000 years went out of their way to portray a Jew from the Middle East in the likeness of Cesare Borgia and other Europeans. :lol
Spot on with both points.
Paul most certainly didn't know Jesus and it's laughable that accounts of Jesus ' s life are compiled by a fraud and meant to be taken seriously.

Regarding your second point, I wonder why he hasn't been able to reply to such a simple point. He says race doesn't matter but Jesus has been portrayed as a white euro for a reason. If it doesn't matter, as he claims, then it surely would make more sense to accept that Jesus was anything but white - that Jesus looks more like the bearded "terroritsts" evangelicals and white supremacists target these days.
Someone said it earlier on in this thread. If Jesus was alive today, he wouldn't get past t.s.a and trump would build a wall to keep him out

[Akrazotile]

Spot on with both points.
Paul most certainly didn't know Jesus and it's laughable that accounts of Jesus ' s life are compiled by a fraud and meant to be taken seriously.

Regarding your second point, I wonder why he hasn't been able to reply to such a simple point. He says race doesn't matter but Jesus has been portrayed as a white euro for a reason. If it doesn't matter, as he claims, then it surely would make more sense to accept that Jesus was anything but white - that Jesus looks more like the bearded "terroritsts" evangelicals and white supremacists target these days.
Someone said it earlier on in this thread. If Jesus was alive today, he wouldn't get past t.s.a and trump would build a wall to keep him out


The middle east is a huge hodgepodge of skin tones ranging from light to dark. There's no possible way to proclaim Jesus would have looked more like DonDadda's picture than any other depiction of a guy with brown hair and brown eyes. It's not like they've got him with blond hair, or curly red locks and freckles. You can probably find images like that if you look, but the standard depiction is a guy with brown hair, brown beard, brown eyes, olive skin. I've never understood this idea that he looks impossibly different in European images than he possibly could have looked.


http://www.visionsofjesuschrist.com/weeping121.jpg

This guy couldn't have been a semite?

That's ridiculous to say. People in that region vary wildly from light to dark and in hair kink. I get that people want to undermine the idea of Jesus and rustle the jimmies of Christians, but their claims to his appearance have no more merit than any typical depiction in the average church. He could have been anything. Nobody knows where Mariam and Yosef originate from geographically. Being born in a region doesn't mean you look like everyone else there.

Also don't forget, the vast majority of Europeans in history had no clue what semites actually looked like. There were no pictures. So if you're drawing an image of a guy everyone in town worships, of course you're naturally going to draw something along the lines of what you know. In fact Rembrandt would use local jews as his models for painting Jesus, because he figured that would make the most sense. By this time obviously the jews in town were more europeanized themselves. So really the whole thing is a very natural confluence to make.

[StephHamann]

If we're being completely real... Keeping it 100 as the kids say, Jesus was 100% African. No one drop rule in this bitch. Ancestry.com can confirm this.




Tyrion Lannister was 100% African

Darth Vader was 100% African.

Harry Potter was 100% African.

Jesus was 100% African.

[kurple]

aladdin looks more euro than jesus. dunno what you on about, many syrians look european

[NumberSix]

I heard that Genghis Khan's ethnicity was Swiss.

[Dresta]

Spot on with both points.
Paul most certainly didn't know Jesus and it's laughable that accounts of Jesus ' s life are compiled by a fraud and meant to be taken seriously.

Regarding your second point, I wonder why he hasn't been able to reply to such a simple point. He says race doesn't matter but Jesus has been portrayed as a white euro for a reason. If it doesn't matter, as he claims, then it surely would make more sense to accept that Jesus was anything but white - that Jesus looks more like the bearded "terroritsts" evangelicals and white supremacists target these days.
Someone said it earlier on in this thread. If Jesus was alive today, he wouldn't get past t.s.a and trump would build a wall to keep him out
What a load of absolute drivel. Firstly, whether Paul was or was not a fraud is completely irrelevant, and just seems to have been used as an opportunity for you to engage in some Christianity-bashing, which you evidently thinks makes you look smart or cool (or some combination of the two). Take your vanity elsewhere.

Secondly, the only point I was making was that Paul was from a similar region to Jesus, and that the only thing that made him out of place in Rome was his religion, not his appearance. He preached and converted in Rome, and yet you and Don are pretending he would not have been welcome in Europe. Idiocy.

Thirdly, Jesus has not been portrayed only as a "white euro"--that is false. Sure, some depictions look like that, but the early depictions bear similarities to one another, and are pretty ambiguous when it comes to determining where the imagined person was supposedly from/ what his skin-colour was (a stupid question in the first place).

A 4th century depiction (from a villa owned by Constantine):

https://churchpop.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/5a.jpg

A 6th century one:

https://churchpop.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/6-700x1354.jpg

12th century:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/78/Christos_Acheiropoietos.jpg/1280px-Christos_Acheiropoietos.jpg

18th century:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/ba/Iyesus_%28Ethiopia%29.jpg

But keep up the nonsense. Artists will have depicted Jesus as they imagined him. End of story.

[brownmamba00]

christians ITT don't even know shit about their own religion :oldlol:

[Akrazotile]

christians ITT don't even know shit about their own religion :oldlol:


Who are the christians in this thread?

[Jasper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtxfTEyJZg4

:applause:

5 adventurists believe Jesus will come back

He came back as ALI

[Dresta]

Who are the christians in this thread?
I don't think there are any. But whatever, if you defend Christianity from the petty and simple-minded attacks of juvenile morons, you must be a Christian apparently :rolleyes:.