SIX Straight Finals Appearances Is A Major Accomplishment

[HurricaneKid]

Its not as if there haven't been down years in conferences over the years. The 86-87 Lakers are considered one of the greatest teams ever. Their playoff run to the Finals was a 37 win team, a 42 win team and in the conference Finals a 40 win team. Yes, they beat a 40-42 team to go to the NBA Finals.

Magic and Kareem should have done (6 straight) it but they somehow lost to a 40 win team in the playoffs in Magic's second year. They had another chance to do it but lost to a team starting Rodney McCray, Robert Reid, and Lewis Lloyd (in 5 games at that).

The last time a player went to the NBA Finals 6 years in a row was the 61-66 Celtics. When that streak started there were EIGHT teams in the NBA and the top two teams got a bye into the Conf Finals. So the year that streak started the only thing the Celtics had to do to get to the Finals was beat a 38-41 Syracuse team.

Can you imagine what the Kobestans would say if the NBA gave Cle a bye to the Conf Finals and even then he only had to beat a sub .500 team? Well that's the ONLY GUYS THAT HAVE EVER DONE WHAT HE HAS DONE.

So pardon me while I say **** off to the folks that want to downplay this achievement. Would it be more impressive if it were done through the west? OF COURSE. Is it still impressive? OF COURSE.

[SpaceJam]

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[andgar923]

not if you lose

[STATUTORY]

not if you play in the east and actively colluded

[Phong]

So now it has come to celebrating Finals appearances instead of Finals wins. :facepalm

[G-Funk]

he would've came out the west 2 times at best, the last 6 years.

[Mr. Jabbar]

an achievement that showcases collusion and short-cutting if anything.

Pathetic.

[Indian guy]

What makes LeBron's accomplishment truly special in particular is that fact that he has essentially done it with supporting casts that wouldn't even make the playoffs without him.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Difference is Magic actually won more than half of the finals he made, making the "conference disparity" argument weak.

Now do us all a favor and shut the f*ck up.

[G-Funk]

Y'all wanna give him a pass for losing the Finals but give him all the credit & celebrate him for making the Finals. he would've came out the west 2 times at best, the last 6 years.

[HurricaneKid]

he would've came out the west 2 times at best, the last 6 years.

So he beat the best team in the west twice but somehow he would have made it out of the west less.

Ok. Sounds reasonable.

[G-Funk]

an achievement that showcases collusion and short-cutting if anything.

Pathetic.
Exactly maybe if he would've stayed with one team it would've been half decent.

[HurricaneKid]

Difference is Magic actually won more than half of the finals he made, making the "conference disparity" argument weak.

Now do us all a favor and shut the f*ck up.

He also lost to a 40 win team in the playoffs. WITH the 2nd GOAT.

[Im Still Ballin]

Difference is Magic actually won more than half of the finals he made, making the "conference disparity" argument weak.

Now do us all a favor and shut the f*ck up.
He also had Kareem, Worthy and the boys!

LeBron had Wade, for maybe 2 good seasons before his knees went bust

Bosh? PLEASE.

Love? PUHHHH-LEASE.

Irving? PLEAZE.

The truth is Love, Bosh and Irving are just not that good

[QuebecBaller]

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[fourkicks44]

So now it has come to celebrating Finals appearances instead of Finals wins. :facepalm

Finals apperences are the new championships.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

He also lost to a 40 win team in the playoffs. WITH the 2nd GOAT.

Great, a non sequitur. :confusedshrug:

I'll play along though.

LeBron, on THE most stacked team relative to competition and era, got outplayed in the finals by multiple role players including JJ Barea.


He also had Kareem, Worthy and the boys!

LeBron had Wade, for maybe 2 good seasons before his knees went bust

Bosh? PLEASE.

Love? PUHHHH-LEASE.

Irving? PLEAZE.

The truth is Love, Bosh and Irving are just not that good

Prime Grade-A trolling right here, boys. :applause:

[HurricaneKid]

So now it has come to celebrating Finals appearances instead of Finals wins. :facepalm

Finals wins are clearly >>>>>>>>>

But consistent excellence is still really really impressive. That some of you don't get that is mind blowing.

[Im Still Ballin]

Finals wins are clearly >>>>>>>>>

But consistent excellence is still really really impressive. That some of you don't get that is mind blowing.
They're irrelevant

Haters in the crowd

Not important

ESPN and SI got LeBron ranked top 5 already

The general consensus is in

Word of the street

[NBAGOAT]

He also had Kareem, Worthy and the boys!

LeBron had Wade, for maybe 2 good seasons before his knees went bust

Bosh? PLEASE.

Love? PUHHHH-LEASE.

Irving? PLEAZE.

The truth is Love, Bosh and Irving are just not that good

let's be fair Magic also faced more stacked teams in the Finals. I mean the weakest team he faced might be the Dr. J Sixers. On the other side, I think 80's West is even weaker than the East now. Showtime Lakers might also be the only team where you could argue they made the Finals 9/12 seasons and still "underachieved". The 3 losses in the playoffs were all with HCA.

[HurricaneKid]

Non sequitur.

But I'll play.

LeBron, on the most STACKED team of all-time relative to competition and era, got outplayed by multiple role players, including JJ Barea.

Most stacked team ever? They had 5 players not making the league min and two of them missed the season with injuries. More than half their minutes went to players making the league min. Top 2/3 players were obviously great but there was nothing around them. AT ALL.

[diamenz]

it is a major accomplishment. but for this drama queen named lebron james who colludes in the east, boasts about winning not one, not two or three, flops, whines and bitches out in the clutch, it's really hard to find it in your heart to give him credit or respect.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

it is a major accomplishment. but for this drama queen named lebron james who colludes in the east, boasts about winning not one, not two or three, flops, whines and bitches out in the clutch, it's really hard to find it in your heart to give him credit or respect.

It is a great accomplishment, but how great is what's being discussed here.

LeBron fellators are celebrating the "feat" like they're damn championships. :oldlol:

[Straight_Ballin]

So now it has come to celebrating Finals appearances instead of Finals wins. :facepalm

Busting out the Phong account.

Shit just got real!

[Disaprine]

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[ripthekik]

What makes LeBron's accomplishment truly special in particular is that fact that he has essentially done it with supporting casts that wouldn't even make the playoffs without him.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

A Wade and Bosh team when they were near their primes wouldn't make the playoffs? Irving and Love wouldn't make the playoffs?

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Cosmonaut]

MJ 6/6 and the greatest of all time. Lebron is 2/6 and soon will be 2/7

Losing is not an accomplishment.

[pegasus]

What makes LeBron's accomplishment truly special in particular is that fact that he has essentially done it with supporting casts that wouldn't even make the playoffs without him.
And what makes your post truly pathetic is the fact that you might actually believe it.

[kamil]

not if you play in the east and actively colluded

LeBron* fans will NEVER admit this.

[Blue&Orange]

He got to the finals on a $190 million roster on a pathetic low talented conference.


Amazing stuff :applause:

[kamil]

He got to the finals on a $190 million roster on a pathetic low talented conference.


Amazing stuff :applause:

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[smoovegittar]

Can't wait to read what the next loss brings. The sky is falling.

[Done_And_Done]

It's impressive but as mentioned, this streak clearly requires context.

*He's ALWAYS had the best team in the east.
*Aside from the Bulls, Celtics and Pacers who the hell has he really beaten of significance? - arguably tier 2 teams in the west

So while it is impressive, it's nothing really all that mind shattering.

[G0ATbe]

He's been the Western conferences stepping stone/punching bag for years and will continue to be for the next decade. Definitely his biggest accomplishment though:lol

[SpecialQue]

Eh...I hate Lebron but it is a legit accomplishment. Sorry guys.

[GoSpursGo1984]

Only Lecramp fans thinking being in second place is a good thing. :facepalm

[stalkerforlife]

No, it isn't. Not in this case. Not with that colluding.

And people like you are only trying to convince yourselves because not even you believe a colluded/stacked roster winning that shit conference is an achievement.

[Hey Yo]

let's be fair Magic also faced more stacked teams in the Finals. I mean the weakest team he faced might be the Dr. J Sixers. On the other side, I think 80's West is even weaker than the East now. Showtime Lakers might also be the only team where you could argue they made the Finals 9/12 seasons and still "underachieved". The 3 losses in the playoffs were all with HCA.
When the "how many 50 win teams ______has beaten" graph gets posted, it has Magic down I believe with 13.

Dude played in 9 Finals and only beat 13...50+ win teams? Which obvious includes the 5 Finals teams they beat.

That' s pretty bad

[Blue&Orange]

Never once heard anyone praising Magic for making NBA finals and calling it a major accomplishment, not once.

[rmt]

The East has been weak while the West has been brutal. Look at LAC/SAS in the first round last year. How many Finals would Lebron make if he were in the West?

[Hey Yo]

He got to the finals on a $190 million roster on a pathetic low talented conference.


Amazing stuff :applause:
Yet no All-NBA teammates on the roster.

[Hey Yo]

Never once heard anyone praising Magic for making NBA finals and calling it a major accomplishment, not once.
But LeBron gets criticized for his so-called easy path when Magic, Kareem and Riley had it much easier.

They got first rounds byes until 1984 and then when changed.... it was the best of 5 series. Less games = much less chance of injury.

[G-Funk]

Eh...I hate Lebron but it is a legit accomplishment. Sorry guys.
Can you name 1 or 2 GREAT team he best in the East, the Last 6 years?

[SpecialQue]

Can you name 1 or 2 GREAT team he best in the East, the Last 6 years?

It's irrelevant how he got there. History will just remember that he did, and that no other player in recent memory has done the same thing, especially on two different teams.

[Cap'n Obvious]

Six straight in the West would have been much more impressive.

[coin24]

It's irrelevant how he got there. History will just remember that he did, and that no other player in recent memory has done the same thing, especially on two different teams.


Yeah no one else abandons ship like bran

[kamil]

Can you name 1 or 2 GREAT team he best in the East, the Last 6 years?

*jeopardy music*

[pegasus]

Had there been one more super team in the East, at least for 2-3 of those years, I would have been impressed. He just had it so easy, and it was by design. And watch out Cleveland fans this summer. He WILL jump ship if he sees an easier path somewhere else.

[Done_And_Done]

Can you name 1 or 2 GREAT team he best in the East, the Last 6 years?

The Raps baby!!!

:cry:

[sportjames23]

So now it has come to celebrating Finals appearances instead of Finals wins. :facepalm

Right? It's like giving kids those participation trophies. :oldlol:

[HurricaneKid]

Right? It's like giving kids those participation trophies. :oldlol:

Yep. Participation trophies that not one person has earned in the past 50 years. Handing them out like candy. To no one.

[Phong]

Yep. Participation trophies that not one person has earned in the past 50 years. Handing them out like candy. To no one.You're the only one who wants to give him some participation award. No one cares about that shit.

People care about winners, not perennial losers.

[34-24 Footwork]

America is going down the shitter in a hurry. A bunch of obese fvcks who think it's cool to lose.

What's the worst that could happen?

[Blue&Orange]

But LeBron gets criticized for his so-called easy path when Magic, Kareem and Riley had it much easier.

Saying the east is been a joke talent wise and Lebron still managed to collude with the few talent the east had, it's not criticizing, it's point out undeniable facts.

Maybe if Lebrotards didn't come up with the making the finals major accomplishment crap, those undeniable facts wouldn't be mentioned so often.

Again never, not even once heard anyone praising Magic, Kareen and Riley and their accomplishment on reaching the finals, i needed to repeat myself here since you didn't get it the first time.

[34-24 Footwork]

I've never shitted on Lebron this much until I joined this forum. The excuses made makes it so easy.

[Just2McFly]

Difference is Magic actually won more than half of the finals he made, making the "conference disparity" argument weak.

Now do us all a favor and shut the f*ck up.

Magic had no business losing with the squads he had outside of the bird matchups imo

[KrizMiz]

everybody talking about lebron and stuff

why does noone mention JAMES JONES ?!?!? the man who carried lebrons ass to 6 finals....

[tpols]

Difference is Magic actually won more than half of the finals he made, making the "conference disparity" argument weak.

Now do us all a favor and shut the f*ck up.

:applause:

nobody celebrated Magic beating sleepy floyd just like nobody should be celebrating lebron beating jeff teague or kyle lowry.. gotta beat Bird or Curry led squads bro. You teamed up, picked your all stars, so thats what ya got.

FOH op

[Lebronxrings]

the lebron hate on this board is out of control. :facepalm

The guy has beaten the same amount of 60 win teams as kobe has (with shaq)
Lebron has made the finals with mediocre-crappy supporting casts. Sure the west has been tougher at times, but if you put lebron in the west, give him a stacked west team then and they still make the finals.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Magic had no business losing with the squads he had outside of the bird matchups imo

The Lakers lost to a stacked Philly squad in '83 that featured Doc/Malone/Cheeks/Toney/Jones... Then you have the '89 finals where they faced Detroit, and Magic missed half the damn series. :oldlol: Hell, the '91 Lakers went H2H versus Jordan's Bulls without Kareem and even MORE injuries.

Those are some pretty good teams to hold L's against, all things considered. :confusedshrug:

[Lebronxrings]

Yeah no one else abandons ship like bran
he jumped ship ONCE getting out of cleveland. He redeemed himself when he returned and the cavs weren't complete trash. Him leaving miami wasn't jumping ship, it was simply him going home. Understandable situation.

[Real14]

2/7 is a major accomplishment?:oldlol:

[tpols]

The Lakers lost to a stacked Philly squad in '83 that featured Doc/Malone/Cheeks/Toney/Jones... Then you have the '89 finals where they faced Detroit, and Magic missed half the damn series. :oldlol: Hell, the '91 Lakers played Jordan and the Bulls without Kareem and even MORE injuries.

Those are some pretty good teams to take L's against, all things considered. :confusedshrug:

Magic is similar circumstances to Lebron, but he was 5/9 in the Finals .. Magic faced what? Bird, Moses, Dr J, Jordan, McHale, Pippen, etc in his Finals. Lebron's got Duncan, Parker, Curry, Klay, Durant, Westbrook, I'd say Magic had slightly better competition and still had a much better record. Thats why hes still ahead of bran on the goat list for me

[ArbitraryWater]

Amazing.. Magic played similar quality teams in the finals with so much more help, if only Bron had the luck :(

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Magic is similar circumstances to Lebron, but he was 5/9 in the Finals .. Magic faced what? Bird, Moses, Dr J, Jordan, McHale, Pippen, etc in his Finals. Lebron's got Duncan, Parker, Curry, Klay, Durant, Westbrook, I'd say Magic had slightly better competition and still had a much better record. Thats why hes still ahead of bran on the goat list

I'd say Magic has clearly faced greater competition if we're talking about SUPER teams. Philly, Detroit and Boston were stacked like pancakes...top to bottom.

This Golden State squad might be revered as one of the greatest ever tho, depending on how they finish out here obviously.

Spurs in 2014 were awesome too. No doubt.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Amazing.. Magic played similar quality teams in the finals with so much more help, if only Bron had the luck :(

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[ArbitraryWater]

Right, but is 2011 gonna be thrown at everythng? :oldlol:

Tragic literally dribbled out the clock in a one possession game TWICE in the same finals :roll:

If that happened today, social media would BREAK.. nothing more choke than that.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Right, but is 2011 gonna be thrown at everythng? :oldlol:

Tragic literally dribbled out the clock in a one possession game TWICE in the same finals :roll:

If that happened today, social media would BREAK.. nothing more choke than that.

-biggest choke from a superstar ever? check
-cost his teammate another finals mvp and huge legacy boost? check
-had the most top heavy team in history, relative to era and competition? double check

Yeah, I would say it weighs heavy. :oldlol: Mr. "Tragic" has a positive record in the finals and is one of the greatest ever on that stage. LeBron does NOT and isn't...hence the difference in standards.

[tpols]

Amazing.. Magic played similar quality teams in the finals with so much more help, if only Bron had the luck :(

um, no.. he teamed up twice with two separate casts of all stars, and stacked role players out over time. The help excuse has been long thrown out the window for bran

[ArbitraryWater]

Okay, but past the cliches and casual talk.. do you really believe Magic played better in the finals?

LeBron has done his job near flawlessly since 2012... its pretty incredible, especially when you remove his stats in the finals at age 22.

MAGIC JOHNSON
1980: 22 ppg, 11 rpg, 9 apg, 57% FG
1982: 16 ppg, 10 rpg, 8 apg, 53% FG (Finals MVP)
1983: 19 ppg, 8 rpg, 13 apg, 40% FG
1984: 18 ppg, 8 rpg, 14 apg, 56% FG
1985: 18 ppg, 7 rpg, 14 apg, 49% FG
1987: 26 ppg, 8 rpg, 13 apg, 54% FG (Finals MVP)
1988: 21 ppg, 6 rpg, 13 apg, 55% FG
1989: 12 ppg, 4 rpg, 8 apg, 46% FG
1991: 19 ppg, 8 rpg, 12 apg, 43% FG
Career (50 games): 20 ppg, 8 rpg, 12 apg, 52% FG

LEBRON JAMES
2007: 22 ppg, 7 rpg, 7 apg, 36% FG, 43% TS
2011: 18 ppg, 7 rpg, 7 apg, 48% FG, 54% TS
2012: 29 ppg, 10 rpg, 7 apg, 47% FG, 56% TS (Finals MVP)
2013: 25 ppg, 11 rpg, 7 apg, 45% FG, 53% TS (Finals MVP)
2014: 28 ppg, 8 rpg, 4 apg, 58% FG, 68% TS
2015: 36 ppg, 13 rpg, 9 apg, 40% FG, 48% TS
Career (33 games): 26.4 ppg, 9.7 rpg, 6.9 apg, 44.6% FG

Lets be realistic here, please.... he's carried much bigger scoring and defensive burdens and it still wasn't enough most of the time. If he hadnt done the unthinkable in '07 and made the finals, or have his co-stars injured last year, he'd be 3/6 and it looks Magic like, with greater responsibility and statistics.

[ArbitraryWater]

"teamed up with two seperate cast of all stars" is the extent of your context































im cryin bruv

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Magic was clearly the better player in the finals. How is this even arguable?

Dude orchestrated some of the greatest offensive machines, ever, en route to 5 championships.

Just because another ATG performed better than your favorite player doesn't mean we're throwing around "cliches" and excuses. Bottom line is, Magic didn't have the number of short-comings LeBron did on that stage. Its just a fact.

[SpecialQue]

Right, but is 2011 gonna be thrown at everythng? :oldlol:

It was the most embarrassing finals ever for a star player. It is ALWAYS going to be brought up because it was a monumental, historic choke. It was so bad that over the summer, as they related during a playoff game the next season, Lebron actually scheduled interviews with previous star players like Magic, MJ, etc., asking for advice on how to win.

[tpols]

dude, you're posting stats .. Magic makes others BETTER, better than Lebron does. Magic makes his teammates stats go up. For the most part, Lebron makes his teammates stats go down.

lmao

[ArbitraryWater]

Magic was clearly the better player in the finals. How is this even arguable?

Dude orchestrated some of the greatest offensive machines, ever, en route to 5 championships.

Just because another ATG performed better than your favorite player doesn't mean we're throwing around "cliches" and excuses. Bottom line is, Magic didn't have the number of short-comings LeBron did on that stage. Its just a fact.

Bron factually has one shortcoming.. one time he was favored and lost. Same for Magic in '84, but then again Magic won in '85 as underdog, as LeBron did a year after '11, in '12. They both immediately redeemed themselves. Lets cut that crap. He's been the underdog in 5/7 NBA finals, and will likely get out of this having lost 5/7 times... if you want to believe Magic would have beat the '07 Spurs, igniting the unstoppable offense with Hughes and Boobie Gibson, go ahead... if you want to believe he beats the '14 Spurs, or the '15 Warriors with Mozgov as #2 guy, go ahead :confusedshrug:

I choose no.

[sportjames23]

2/7 is a major accomplishment?:oldlol:


Seriously. How the hell can they spin this? :oldlol:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Bron factually has one shortcoming.. one time he was favored and lost. Same for Magic in '84, but then again Magic won in '85 as underdog, as LeBron did a year after '11, in '12. They both immediately redeemed themselves. Lets cut that crap. He's been the underdog in 5/7 NBA finals, and will likely get out of this having lost 5/7 times... if you want to believe Magic would have beat the '07 Spurs, igniting the unstoppable offense with Hughes and Boobie Gibson, go ahead... if you want to believe he beats the '14 Spurs, or the '15 Warriors with Mozgov as #2 guy, go ahead :confusedshrug:

I choose no.

This dude LeBron handpicks his f*cking teammates...and the fanboys still consider him and his teams "underdogs" :roll:

[ArbitraryWater]

Fun Fact: Mozgov scored 15+ 19 times his whole career before arriving to Cleveland, LeBron had to rely on him as #2 guy in the '15 finals, and he scored 15+ in 4/6 games...

#Magicwouldhavehimaveraging30!

[tpols]

This dude LeBron handpicks his f*cking teammates...and the fanboys still consider him and his teams "underdogs" :roll:


I knew this shit would happen even after the decision lol

[tpols]

Fun Fact: Mozgov scored 15+ 19 times his whole career before arriving to Cleveland, LeBron had to rely on him as #2 guy in the '15 finals, and he scored 15+ in 4/6 games...

#Magicwouldhavehimaveraging30!


didnt lebron get him benched after he had like a 30 and 10 game or somethin :roll:

he couldnt have that goon swiping the FMVP

[ArbitraryWater]

This dude LeBron handpicks his f*cking teammates...and the fanboys still consider him and his teams "underdogs" :roll:

Right, LeBron changed teams twice, thus he's been the favorite in the NBA finals....


I totally see the correlation.



























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[ArbitraryWater]

didnt lebron get him benched after he had like a 30 and 10 game or somethin :roll:

he couldnt have that goon swiping the FMVP



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I really need to start getting my sports talk from elsewhere man :lol

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I knew this shit would happen even after the decision lol

You can't make this shit up dude.

Earlier I jokingly made a post about LeBron fans being the equivalent of Taylor Swift superfans. Yeah...it ain't a joke no more. :oldlol:

[ImKobe]

didnt lebron get him benched after he had like a 30 and 10 game or somethin :roll:

he couldnt have that goon swiping the FMVP

everyone made excuses with the "Lebron had no help" argument but how does Lebron not get blamed for having his worst game of the series when his team had the chance to go up 3 - 1 in the series?

It was the same game Mozgov had 28 and 10 on 9/16 shooting and TT had 12/13 on 60% shooting

Lebron was a -15 (worst among starters, of course) as they got blown out by 19 points after GS outscored the Cavs by 15 points on the 4th quarter

Lebron was putting up 30-40 pt games for the rest of the series but had 20 pts on 7/22 shooting in the most pivotal game

It's not like Curry/Klay combined for 60 or anything, they had 22 each.

[Phong]

If this is such a great achievement, Lebron's fans should simply pitch in to buy him a chocolate medal or a blue ribbon to hang in his trophy case.

[Dray n Klay]

everyone made excuses with the "Lebron had no help" argument but how does Lebron not get blamed for having his worst game of the series when his team had the chance to go up 3 - 1 in the series?

It was the same game Mozgov had 28 and 10 on 9/16 shooting and TT had 12/13 on 60% shooting

Lebron was a -15 (worst among starters, of course) as they got blown out by 19 points after GS outscored the Cavs by 15 points on the 4th quarter

Lebron was putting up 30-40 pt games for the rest of the series but had 20 pts on 7/22 shooting in the most pivotal game

It's not like Curry/Klay combined for 60 or anything, they had 22 each.

So you're blaming LeBron for putting up a Kobe-esque Finals game?

20/12/8 is still better than most Kobe Finals games :confusedshrug:

[SamuraiSWISH]

Sure but in context he was in a horrifcly weak conference on hand picked, manipulated stacked rosters.

[dreamwarrior]

6* Straight Finals Appearances

* = collusion

[Hey Yo]

Sure but in context he was in a horrifcly weak conference on hand picked, manipulated stacked rosters.
:roll:

Nice analysis, fake coach....:rolleyes:

[NBAGOAT]

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I really need to start getting my sports talk from elsewhere man :lol

Friend told me this and I think it's true from the fans I know. Dumbest basketball fans he knows are the ones who hate on Bron(not the ones who don't like his game or have him outside the top 10 but the ones who hate on him ISH style).


This dude LeBron handpicks his f*cking teammates...and the fanboys still consider him and his teams "underdogs" :roll:

that's a deflection, most teams are making ridiculous moves now. Spurs added an all nba pf to a team that's already a championship contender and no one bats an eye. Some of those moves didn't work out like the Lakers or Nets but they were ridiculous on paper. Lebron being an underdog is no different than Danny Ainge handpicking the big 3 and they were obvious underdogs 3 years later, something better came along.

[HurricaneKid]

The Lakers lost to a stacked Philly squad in '83 that featured Doc/Malone/Cheeks/Toney/Jones... Then you have the '89 finals where they faced Detroit, and Magic missed half the damn series. :oldlol: Hell, the '91 Lakers went H2H versus Jordan's Bulls without Kareem and even MORE injuries.

Those are some pretty good teams to hold L's against, all things considered. :confusedshrug:

How about in 82 when they had two top 10 players of all time and lost in the first round to a 40-42 team?

Or when he single handedly choked in 3 games and lost a series they should have won 6 of the 7 games in.

Demanding perfection is idiocy. And that the point of this thread. Accept consistent greatness for greatness. Because everyone ever has had failings.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Well he needs to go at least 3-3(3/6), otherwise its better for him just not making it to NBA Finals. After all, the finals winning% matters.

[Asukal]

Well he needs to go at least 3-3(3/6), otherwise its better for him just not making it to NBA Finals. After all, the finals winning% matters.

It separates the the true winners from the chokers (leflop, ILt). :cheers:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

How about in 82 when they had two top 10 players of all time and lost in the first round to a 40-42 team?

Or when he single handedly choked in 3 games and lost a series they should have won 6 of the 7 games in.

Demanding perfection is idiocy. And that the point of this thread. Accept consistent greatness for greatness. Because everyone ever has had failings.

Uhhh, Houston was no ordinary "40-42" team. About 3 or 4 significant players on that squad were injured at some point during the regular-season, making their W/L record deceptive.

I do find it hilarious that you've been moving goalposts since my first comment in this thread. :oldlol: The original premise referenced the finals, and Magic simply won more than LeBron once both got there.

Lets see if you can stay on topic. :confusedshrug:


that's a deflection, most teams are making ridiculous moves now. Spurs added an all nba pf to a team that's already a championship contender and no one bats an eye. Some of those moves didn't work out like the Lakers or Nets but they were ridiculous on paper. Lebron being an underdog is no different than Danny Ainge handpicking the big 3 and they were obvious underdogs 3 years later, something better came along.

Totally different scenario when you consider that LeBron handpicked his rosters not once...but twice (within 4 seasons AND in his prime :eek:)

[NBAGOAT]

Uhhh, Houston was no ordinary "40-42" team. About 3 or 4 significant players on that squad were injured at some point during the regular-season, making their W/L record deceptive.

I do find it hilarious that you've been moving goalposts since my first comment in this thread. :oldlol: The original premise referenced the finals, and Magic simply won more than LeBron once both got there.

Lets see if you can stay on topic. :confusedshrug:



Totally different scenario when you consider that LeBron handpicked his rosters not once...but twice (within 4 seasons AND in his prime :eek:)

the handpicking thing is blown out of proportion and I rather have a gm handpick the roster anyway instead of a player. Golden State is one of the deepest teams of all time; Cavs are a slight underdog and that shouldn't be a slight on Bron even if he "handpicked" his roster. I mean especially a year like last year, there's no blame for being an underdog. On your initial point, Magic and the Lakers winning in the Finals really doesn't weaken the conference disparity argument that. It just means the Lakers were still the best team in the league those years. 3 maybe even 4 of the next best teams were in the East.

[PP34Deuce]

Lebron james making 6 straight finals is amazing regardless of competition. You still had to beat teams that won 55 plus games to make the title game.

A lot of people hate him for his image and how he's our your favorite teams out of contention. If he were to win the title this year people would still discredit him. He can't win either way. I'd love to see a city like Cleveland finally win something though.

[Wally450]

Lebron james making 6 straight finals is amazing regardless of competition. You still had to beat teams that won 55 plus games to make the title game.

A lot of people hate him for his image and how he's our your favorite teams out of contention. If he were to win the title this year people would still discredit him. He can't win either way. I'd love to see a city like Cleveland finally win something though.

Agreed.

People will somehow find a way to twist it and discredit LeBron if he wins this series somehow.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

the handpicking thing is blown out of proportion and I rather have a gm handpick the roster anyway instead of a player. Golden State is one of the deepest teams of all time; Cavs are a slight underdog and that shouldn't be a slight on Bron even if he "handpicked" his roster. I mean especially a year like last year, there's no blame for being an underdog. On your initial point, Magic and the Lakers winning in the Finals really doesn't weaken the conference disparity argument that. It just means the Lakers were still the best team in the league those years. 3 maybe even 4 of the next best teams were in the East.

Its actually never been done before. Like, name another player that's had as much pull as LeBron who left multiple 60+ win teams during his prime AND got to choose a handful of franchise caliber players to team-up with. You can't.

Far as my initial point is concerned, it may not "weaken" the conference argument, but it gets less talked about because Magic proved the Lakers could beat anyone. Superteams throughout the EAST even. LeBron on the other hand has proved the West has gotten the best of him, far more often than not.

[kamil]

SIX Straight Finals Appearances Is A Major Accomplishment

In the east... and after colluding?!

LOL... sure, some accomplishment.

[game3524]

:oldlol:

In all 6 finals runs, he has not only had the most overall talent in the conference, but also at least one other top 5 player in the conference(first with D-Wade and now with Kyrie).

He is a great player, but this isn't some legendary achievement......not in that shitty conference.

[NBAGOAT]

Its actually never been done before. Like, name another player that's had as much pull as LeBron who left multiple 60+ win teams during his prime AND got to choose a handful of franchise caliber players to team-up with. You can't.

Far as my initial point is concerned, it may not "weaken" the conference argument, but it gets less talked about because Magic proved the Lakers could beat anyone. Superteams throughout the EAST even. LeBron on the other hand has proved the West has gotten the best of him, far more often than not.

I agree with the 2nd part then even if I still believe it doesn't say too much about the conferences. Those 60+ win teams in Cleveland were pretty big aberrations. I'm not going call guys like Mo or Jamison trash. However, I'm pretty sure no 60+ win team has had a weaker supporting cast around their best player. It was not looking good for Lebron with the Boston big 3 and orlando with dwight and a couple all star type guys. Examples of guys who left for superteams are uncommon but out there. Wilt did get traded to a team with West/Baylor and philly won 62 games the year before. Moses signed with a team that just made the Finals and had a MVP candidate. Barkley was traded to contending teams twice. Big 3 Celtics was pretty ridiculous for the time until Miami came along. Other thing to consider is most of the all time greats had no reason to leave. Earliest guy on GOAT list who had a reason to leave might've been Drob and that poor dude is definitely underrated because his lack of success even when he carried the Spurs.

[game3524]

I agree with the 2nd part then even if I still believe it doesn't say too much about the conferences. Those 60+ win teams in Cleveland were pretty big aberrations. I'm not going call guys like Mo or Jamison trash. However, I'm pretty sure no 60+ win team has had a weaker supporting cast around their best player. It was not looking good for Lebron with the Boston big 3 and orlando with dwight and a couple all star type guys. Examples of guys who left for superteams are uncommon but out there. Wilt did get traded to a team with West/Baylor and philly won 62 games the year before. Moses signed with a team that just made the Finals and had a MVP candidate. Barkley was traded to contending teams twice. Big 3 Celtics was pretty ridiculous for the time until Miami came along. Other thing to consider is most of the all time greats had no reason to leave. Earliest guy on GOAT list who had a reason to leave might've been Drob and that poor dude is definitely underrated because his lack of success even when he carried the Spurs.

Some of this is revisionist history.

Those 2009/2010 Cleveland Cavaliers may have lacked in star power, but they were the ideal teams that you would put around Lebron(Spacing and strong defense).

Also, Lebron could have won in 2010 if he had decided to show up in the Boston series.

[KungFuJoe]

I give Lebron credit for dragging the Cavs to the finals the first time around...but after that, it's been collusion to the point that the NBA has never seen before.

So...no...not a major accomplishment, anymore than scoring two points off a cherry pick is.

[Phong]

Some of this is revisionist history.Unfortunately, all the LeBron stans from back then have created new accounts and now pretend the Cavs weren't clear favorites to win the title at the time. They were favorites against the Magic and Celtics.

After that, they were acting all cocky when the CHeats were formed, sure that Lebron would win every year. Now, it's an accomplishment on Lebron's part to simply having reached the Finals. :facepalm

[game3524]

Unfortunately, all the LeBron stans from back then have created new accounts and now pretend the Cavs weren't clear favorites to win the title at the time. They were favorites against the Magic and Celtics.

After that, they were acting all cocky when the CHeats were formed, sure that Lebron would win every year. Now, it's an accomplishment on Lebron's part to simply having reached the Finals. :facepalm

Well they have to take pride in something since Lebron might end up as a transitional champion like Isiah and the Pistons.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Some of this is revisionist history.

Those 2009/2010 Cleveland Cavaliers may have lacked in star power, but they were the ideal teams that you would put around Lebron(Spacing and strong defense).

Also, Lebron could have won in 2010 if he had decided to show up in the Boston series.

Exactly.

I've never heard of another superstar leaving multiple and perennial contenders, twice, in the midst of their prime. And that's the point. He had no reason to leave. He just...did.

[game3524]

Exactly.

I've never heard of another superstar leaving multiple and perennial contenders, twice, in the midst of their prime. And that's the point. He had no reason to leave. He just...did.

You see I don't have much of a problem of him leaving Miami. That team was old and done and Cleveland looked like a better spot.

The first time is bullshit though, he could have won in 2010 and checked out before the series began.

[ArbitraryWater]

Historically title teams have ALWAYS had one superstar/top 5 player, coupled with another or maybe even two all-stars... always, with the exception of the '90 Pistons, '04 Pistons (both GOAT-level defenses) and '14 Spurs who didn't have a top 5 player, and the '94 Rockets/'03 Spurs/'11 Mavericks, who didn't have another all-star next to their best player in the game...

go through the years. Thats the formula.

But apparently, for LeBron, Mo Williams and Anderson Varejao will do just fine...

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

You see I don't have much of a problem of him leaving Miami. That team was old and done and Cleveland looked like a better spot.

The first time is bullshit though, he could have won in 2010 and checked out before the series began.

Miami did make the finals, but I get what you're saying.

Definitely agree on the Boston series. It gets swept under the rug because of the 2011 finals, but "elbow gate" was a total quit job.

[game3524]

Historically title teams have ALWAYS had one superstar/top 5 player, coupled with another or maybe even two all-stars... always, with the exception of the '90 Pistons, '04 Pistons (both GOAT-level defenses) and '14 Spurs who didn't have a top 5 player, and the '94 Rockets/'03 Spurs/'11 Mavericks, who didn't have another all-star next to their best player in the game...

go through the years. Thats the formula.

But apparently, for LeBron, Mo Williams and Anderson Varejao will do just fine...

You can spin it all you want. He was favored/expected to win in 2010 and he didn't get the job done, hell he didn't even make it to the conference finals and that is on him(if he played like he did in the regular season, they beat Boston in 6 and have good chance of beating an Orlando team that didn't have the Hedo advantage they had the year before).

He is a great player(top ten all-time), but the way you stans try to downplay the low points of his career is hilarious.

[ArbitraryWater]

Was he shit in game 5? Of course... but checking out? Please.

Does this look like checking out?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4PUS1gPZJA

Or his 30/20/10 with like 9 TO's in game 6? Nah..

He was so out of this world amazing from games 1-3, his overall series still looks good..

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Was he shit in game 5? Of course... but checking out? Please.

Does this look like checking out?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4PUS1gPZJA

Or his 30/20/10 with like 9 TO's in game 6? Nah..

He was so out of this world amazing from games 1-3, his overall series still looks good..

Guy definitely quit in game 5.

http://espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5365793
http://espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/100512

Bill Simmons was a huge LeBron fan at the time, and actually called him out on it. :oldlol:

[ArbitraryWater]

You can spin it all you want. He was favored/expected to win in 2010 and he didn't get the job done, hell he didn't even make it to the conference finals and that is on him(if he played like he did in the regular season, they beat Boston in 6 and have good chance of beating an Orlando team that didn't have the Hedo advantage they had the year before).

He is a great player(top ten all-time), but the way you stans try to downplay the low points of his career is hilarious.

He was favored because he just arguably had the greatest regular season ever....

it was his dominance.

It wasnt the type of all-around 60+ win team, but the 60-win team carrying job.

61-21 - w/ LeBron: +11.5 w/o LeBron: -5.3 (16.8 on/off turnaround)

PG responsibilities with Mo out:

13 games: 31.7 points per game, 10.8 assists per game, 7.3 rebounds per game (12-1)

10 of the 13 games:

28 points, 9 rebounds, 11 assists vs. Toronto Raptors
37 points, 9 assists vs. Los Angeles Lakers
37 points, 9 rebounds, 13 assists vs. Oklahoma City Thunder
32 points, 9 rebounds, 14 assists vs. Miami Heat
22 points, 9 rebounds, 13 assists vs. Los Angeles Clippers
22 points, 6 rebounds, 15 assists vs. Memphis Grizzlies
36 points, 7 rebounds, 8 assists vs. Miami Heat
47 points, 8 rebounds, 8 assists vs. New York Knicks
32 points, 8 rebounds, 13 assists vs. Orlando Magic
43 points, 13 rebounds, 15 assists vs. Denver Nuggets

His averages: 31.7ppg 7.3rpg 10.8apg 1.8spg 1.2bpg (3.7 TOPG) on 48/31/76

Dominated Kobe... he was doing everything.

Dont tell me he was supposed to win....

that team went to #2 worst in the LEAGUE without him. Even before the trades... Mo became a back-up PG somewhere else, Shaq was done...

JJ Hickson, Anthony Parker, Daniel Gibson, Antawn Jamison, Mo Williams, Anderson Varejao, Jamario Moon won 66 games with LeBron...

the next year they went on the worst losing streak of all time (26 games)...

trades and different players after a while? Sure, but the 2010 team wasnt set in concrete in the first place....

Shaq missed 1/3 the season, Illgauskas was done, West was in and out of lineup and with the usual legal/mental problems, and Mo Williams missed 15 straight games.

Their record during that stretch? 14-1.

Don't make any 'but trades!' excuses.

That team was all LeBron... all of it. Listen man.

[Phong]

His quitting was so obvious that people said Lebron quit because the entire team knew about Delonte and Lebron's mom; that he felt betrayed and decided to quit on the whole team and run to Miami.

[game3524]

He was favored because he just arguably had the greatest regular season ever....

it was his dominance.

It wasnt the type of all-around 60+ win team, but the 60-win team carrying job.

61-21 - w/ LeBron: +11.5 w/o LeBron: -5.3 (16.8 on/off turnaround)

PG responsibilities with Mo out:

13 games: 31.7 points per game, 10.8 assists per game, 7.3 rebounds per game (12-1)

10 of the 13 games:

28 points, 9 rebounds, 11 assists vs. Toronto Raptors
37 points, 9 assists vs. Los Angeles Lakers
37 points, 9 rebounds, 13 assists vs. Oklahoma City Thunder
32 points, 9 rebounds, 14 assists vs. Miami Heat
22 points, 9 rebounds, 13 assists vs. Los Angeles Clippers
22 points, 6 rebounds, 15 assists vs. Memphis Grizzlies
36 points, 7 rebounds, 8 assists vs. Miami Heat
47 points, 8 rebounds, 8 assists vs. New York Knicks
32 points, 8 rebounds, 13 assists vs. Orlando Magic
43 points, 13 rebounds, 15 assists vs. Denver Nuggets

His averages: 31.7ppg 7.3rpg 10.8apg 1.8spg 1.2bpg (3.7 TOPG) on 48/31/76

Dominated Kobe... he was doing everything.

Dont tell me he was supposed to win....

that team went to #2 worst in the LEAGUE without him. Even before the trades... Mo became a back-up PG somewhere else, Shaq was done...

JJ Hickson, Anthony Parker, Daniel Gibson, Antawn Jamison, Mo Williams, Anderson Varejao, Jamario Moon won 66 games with LeBron...

the next year they went on the worst losing streak of all time (26 games)...

trades and different players after a while? Sure, but the 2010 team wasnt set in concrete in the first place....

Shaq missed 1/3 the season, Illgauskas was done, West was in and out of lineup and with the usual legal/mental problems, and Mo Williams missed 15 straight games.

Their record during that stretch? 14-1.

Don't make any 'but trades!' excuses.

That team was all LeBron... all of it. Listen man.

Of course he was suppose to win.:oldlol:

Best record in the league, he is the best player. The defending champions(Lakers) best player was hobbled and playing on one-leg, the defending Eastern Conference champions(Orlando) had regressed and didn't possess the same match up advantages they had last year. Another contender(Celtics) big three looked aged and had a 2nd half collapse.

These are facts, and you can try to white washing all you want, but it is what it is. If Lebron played up to his standards in game 5, he pretty much guarantees a game 7 at home and would face of against an Orlando team that wasn't as good as it was the year before and the Cavs matched up much better this time around.

[ArbitraryWater]

his standards were GOAT standards though... thats the level he played at that year and what it took to get that team in that position. Youre putting him on GOAT range by expecting so.

[game3524]

his standards were GOAT standards though... thats the level he played at that year and what it took to get that team in that position. Youre putting him on GOAT range by expecting so.

GOAT standards?:oldlol:

No one is saying he had to put up consistent 45/17/6 or whatever he put up against the Celtics in 2012. Just play how you did so far in the post-season and play with energy and you team advances to the conferences finals.

He didn't do that in game 5.

[Remix]

Kobe pretty much did the same thing

[ninephive]

The East has been relatively weak for the run. That said, the streak is an amazing accomplishment.

[BallsOut]

not if you play in the east and actively colluded

This :applause:

[plowking]

Why do Bron fans acknowledge the finals record hate for Bron so much? It doesn't matter. It never will. Getting to the finals and losing to a team better than yours isn't a bad thing. It is a great thing if you win, but if you are severely outmatched, you can't win sometimes. Sometimes you get the role of the dice like the Cavs did last year for 2 games, but the better team catches on and adjusts.

Furthermore, this is why you don't follow around one player. :oldlol:
Some of you are grown men following one player around from team to team. :oldlol:

Anyway, this 2/6 or 2/7 business is just talk so these idiots can make themselves feel better about their favourite player. Create a standard someone is behind on, and make it the new standard for greatness. It has never been about MVP's and FMVP's because Bron is killing it there. Apparently now it is a standard where coming second is terrible. So just like the Olympics, it is better not to make it on the podium then actually get Silver or Bronze.