Upgrade Lebron James into Magic Johnson, how many titles could he've won?

[Kiddlovesnets]

Lebron has always been known as the poor man's Magic, so lets do a what-if scenario analysis. Upgrade Lebron into Magic ever since year 2003, and we assume Magic Johnson follows the same career path as Lebron. How many rings would he have won?

I'd say at least 3, he'd won in 2011 for sure. More likely its 4, since with Magic Johnson the Cavaliers would've beaten the Celtics, Magic and then Lakers in 2010. Even in 2014 or 2015 his team would still stand a chance against Spurs and Warriors.

What do you think? How would the rich man's Lebron do in this case scenario?

[pauk]

Unfortunately overall that is a downgrade... the only upgrade subjectively may be Michael Jordan at his very peak...

[Kiddlovesnets]

Unfortunately overall that is a downgrade...

:roll:

[pauk]

:roll:

Delusion is not good for you, stop trolling.

[Akrazotile]

Lebron has always been known as the poor man's Magic, so lets do a what-if scenario analysis. Upgrade Lebron into Magic ever since year 2003, and we assume Magic Johnson follows the same career path as Lebron. How many rings would he have won?

I'd say at least 3, he'd won in 2011 for sure. More likely its 4, since with Magic Johnson the Cavaliers would've beaten the Celtics, Magic and then Lakers in 2010. Even in 2014 or 2015 his team would still stand a chance against Spurs and Warriors.

What do you think? How would the rich man's Lebron do in this case scenario?


Bro, Lebron is not a poor man's ANYONE.

Ok?

He is a THICK man's Magic-MJ-Kareem-West-Oscar hybrid with a mind like Pat Riley.

Check yourself, NOW.

[Bankaii]

2007: Doesn't have the scoring to beat Detroit.
2011: Doesn't have the defense to shut down rose or carry Wade vs the Bulls. If they somehow make the Finals it's they beat Dallas.
2012: Doesn't have the scoring to carry the load with Bosh out or the defense to guard Durant or Westbrook.
2013: most likely a ring.
2014: no chance.
2015: no chance.
2016: ?

About the same results, maybe a little less. But definitely not better.

[Asukal]

Fake top 5 ATG replaced with a real top 5 ATG? Major upgrade! :applause: :rockon:

[pauk]

2007: Doesn't have the scoring to beat Detroit.
2011: Doesn't have the defense to shut down rose or carry Wade vs the Bulls. If they somehow make the Finals it's they beat Dallas.
2012: Doesn't have the scoring to carry the load with Bosh out.
2013: most likely a ring.
2014: no chance.
2015: no chance.
2016: ?

About the same results, maybe a little less. But definitely not better.

Right, he would have to get to those Finals aswell, 2007 Cavs was the worst team to ever be in a NBA Finals, Jordan lost earlier with something equivalent of that supporting cast (mid 80s), if he went to the Finals all those years with those casts in the 80s his Finals record would not look so nice...

But lets just say he gets teleported to all those Finals, i think only 2011 could perhaps have a different result...

[GrapeApe]

Unfortunately overall that is a downgrade... the only upgrade subjectively may be Michael Jordan at his very peak...

How is it a downgrade? Peak Magic put up 23/13/8/2 on great efficiency and was arguably the greatest offensive player ever. Lebron obviously has the edge defensively but Magic was a solid team-defender and he twice led the league in steals. Overall they're pretty close, but I would in no way shape or form characterize Magic as a "downgrade" from Lebron. That's absurd.

[Akrazotile]

How is it a downgrade? Peak Magic put up 23/13/8/2 on great efficiency and was arguably the greatest offensive player ever. Lebron obviously has the edge defensively but Magic was a solid team-defender and he twice led the league in steals. Overall they're pretty close, but I would in no way shape or form characterize Magic as a "downgrade" from Lebron. That's absurd.


Magic had a stacked team in a less competitive era.


No disrespect to him, but theres a reason Lebron is Top 3.

[Lebron23]

Lebron is a better individual player than magic. Magic had the better teams. and played in a much weaker conference.

[Akrazotile]

Also dont forget Magic had AIDS, which is a definite downgrade

[theaussieguy]

the reality is the optimization of Lebron skillset has seen him win only 2 finals (one of which literally came down to one shot by a top 4 shooter of all time), and soon to be 5 losses. He could take any team to the playoffs sure, he has that kind of effect on the game where he fills up the stat sheet. But the sad reality is, that even at peak optimization, it usually doesn't result in a championship because at the critical point of games, with playoff intensity basketball, it comes down to superstar effort and killer instinct to put you over the top. Its like getting 100m from the summit of everest for 6 years in a row, sure thats impressive but its just not enough to achieve true greatness.

Lebron is probably the best freak athlete we have ever seen in the game, but as a basketballer he can't even crack my top 15 because you simply can't trust him to get the job done when it matters.

[iamgine]

We're downgrading Lebron into Magic. And further downgrade Kareem/Worthy into Wade/Bosh or Kyrie/Love. Should we even count Hughes/Ilgauskas? And we askin how many titles? Clearly not 1...not 2....

[eliteballer]

Magic's stats as a 20 year old ROOKIE:

Playoffs:

18.3 pts, 10.5 rebs, 9.4 ast, 3.1 stl, 52% FG

Finals:

21.5 pts, 11.2 rebs, 8.7 ast, 2.7 stl, 57 FG%

[Lebron23]

We're downgrading Lebron into Magic. And further downgrade Kareem/Worthy into Wade/Bosh or Kyrie/Love. Should we even count Hughes/Ilgauskas? And we askin how many titles? Clearly not 1...not 2....


This

Only an idiot, and a basketball newbie would think that Magic is capable of winning an NBA title with Hughes, and Ilgauskas.

[Dray n Klay]

He would've forced a trade in his first year to LA to play with Shaq, Malone. Payton :lol

[Kiddlovesnets]

Delusion is not good for you, stop trolling.

But you are the one whos delusional and trolling, my friend.
:rolleyes:

[StephHamann]

Unfortunately overall that is a downgrade... the only upgrade subjectively may be Michael Jordan at his very peak...

https://media.giphy.com/media/uvXibAzrgei3e/giphy.gif

[plowking]

Magic is quite clearly worse than LeBron.

He had his chance to be better than a player of Bron's level, and he failed. That is why both Bird and Bron are considered better players than him.

[bobopenguin]

omg these bran stand!! FKing hell :facepalm

lebron has wade, bosh, ray allen, kyrie, Love. FFS.

magic will boost their score to new level. it will definitely be more than 2/7.

[knicksman]

He would prolong wades career just like kareem or stockton prolonging malones career Instead of competing with wade as a scorer. And he wouldve been 4/4 with wade. They just fit better.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Magic is quite clearly worse than LeBron.

He had his chance to be better than a player of Bron's level, and he failed. That is why both Bird and Bron are considered better players than him.

No they're not.

Anyway, at least 2-3 championships. The Heat don't choke in 2011 and they win both 2012 and 2013 rings.

[ripthekik]

the reality is the optimization of Lebron skillset has seen him win only 2 finals (one of which literally came down to one shot by a top 4 shooter of all time), and soon to be 5 losses. He could take any team to the playoffs sure, he has that kind of effect on the game where he fills up the stat sheet. But the sad reality is, that even at peak optimization, it usually doesn't result in a championship because at the critical point of games, with playoff intensity basketball, it comes down to superstar effort and killer instinct to put you over the top. Its like getting 100m from the summit of everest for 6 years in a row, sure thats impressive but its just not enough to achieve true greatness.

Lebron is probably the best freak athlete we have ever seen in the game, but as a basketballer he can't even crack my top 15 because you simply can't trust him to get the job done when it matters.
:applause:

[plowking]

No they're not.

Anyway, at least 2-3 championships. The Heat don't choke in 2011 and they win both 2012 and 2013 rings.

They are.

Bird was always considered a better player when they were actually playing in the 80's and the end of their careers. Only recently in this media era where it is championship or bust to determine you as a great player has Magic surpassed Bird. Anyone who actually watched, and still has the chance to go back and watch, will see that Bird was quite clearly better.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

They are.

Bird was always considered a better player when they were actually playing in the 80's and the end of their careers. Only recently in this media era where it is championship or bust to determine you as a great player has Magic surpassed Bird. Anyone who actually watched, and still has the chance to go back and watch, will see that Bird was quite clearly better.

Honestly they aren't.

As far as Bird and Magic goes, Larry was better for the first half of their careers while Magic took over, partly because of Bird's injuries, somewhere around '87 (one could argue there were a few seasons before that where Magic had more impact).

Now if you're talking about having more 'basketball skills', I totally agree. Magic definitely had the greater career though. Not even sure how that's debatable, especially when you factor in the injuries and accomplishments in his favor.

[GimmeThat]

1.

and 0 with the Heat.

[Kiddlovesnets]

They are.

Bird was always considered a better player when they were actually playing in the 80's and the end of their careers. Only recently in this media era where it is championship or bust to determine you as a great player has Magic surpassed Bird. Anyone who actually watched, and still has the chance to go back and watch, will see that Bird was quite clearly better.

Lebron James is a poor man's Magic Johnson, and Magic Johnson is a rich man's Lebron James. A rich man is better than a poor man, so I think this shouldnt be a debate which player is better and higher on the all-time list.
:rolleyes:

[Disaprine]

bran better than magic? :roll:

what a time.

[andgar923]

Kareem and Worthy can's shoot threes so....

[Sakkreth]

Brb using my psychic powers.

[NBAGOAT]

Honestly they aren't.

As far as Bird and Magic goes, Larry was better for the first half of their careers while Magic took over, partly because of Bird's injuries, somewhere around '87 (one could argue there were a few seasons before that where Magic had more impact).

Now if you're talking about having more 'basketball skills', I totally agree. Magic definitely had the greater career though. Not even sure how that's debatable, especially when you factor in the injuries and accomplishments in his favor.

Bird was better in 88 however even if he shot poorly vs the Pistons. I would lean Magic too career wise but the argument that Bird was better 8/12 seasons is a pretty hard one to ignore.

[mr4speed]

Bird was better in 88 however even if he shot poorly vs the Pistons. I would lean Magic too career wise but the argument that Bird was better 8/12 seasons is a pretty hard one to ignore.

I totally agree with you and Plowking. This site goes crazy with ring counting and forgets the fact that teams win and lose titles. When playing at the finals level every little mistake and bucket can be huge for every player. Magic was a great player but really was second to Bird when looking at all the skillsets.

[SexSymbol]

Unfortunately overall that is a downgrade... the only upgrade subjectively may be Michael Jordan at his very peak...
jesus christ, what a delusional retard. Lebron, at his very very best, has never been the offensive player Magic was.

[Kiddlovesnets]

jesus christ, what a delusional retard. Lebron, at his very very best, has never been the offensive player Magic was.

Indeed. Lebron James has always been known as the Poor Man's Magic Johnson, theres no way a poor man's version is better than the rich man's version.

[tpols]

3 or 4 titles .. Magic Johnson underpromises and overdelivers, bran not so much (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYe8B--jrbs). the circumstances would be vastly different w/ magic running the show. magic teamed up with pat riley, dwayne wade, and an all star athletic big man in a historically weak conference? Yes please. That would be the new showtime.

[Sarcastic]

Probably 4. They win 2011 and 2014.

No way Magic loses with this current Cavs team to the Warriors. Too many weapons at his disposal.

[bigkingsfan]

Magic and Kyrie defensive back-court, lol SF, good luck with that.

[CuterThanRubio]

Upgrade Tristan Thompson to Kareem and lets start crunching numbers.

I think LeBron is better than Magic, he does more with less, he is normally expected to lead his squad in scoring and is the lead distributor, not to mention he is the vocal leader, Magic had other guys who could motivate and handle internal affairs.

Magic never had to deal with the fragile psyches of Chris Bosh and Kevin Love, imagine how difficult that must be, dropping bricks dropping bricks, aww Kev its going to be alright, just play your game, "but I can't, its too hard". I feel his pain there!


The west in the 80s was weaker than the east during Lebron's run.

He single handedly carried the worst supporting cast to the finals, a postseason that featured him leapfrogging the championship caliber Pistons.

Lebron's flaws are mostly mental, you can't deny his talent, if he didn't dismiss his shooting coach and rely so heavily on others to hit shots he might have a few more rings, he needs to contact Kobe for an offseason workout this summer before its too late!

[colts19]

Upgrade Tristan Thompson to Kareem and lets start crunching numbers.

I think LeBron is better than Magic, he does more with less, he is normally expected to lead his squad in scoring and is the lead distributor, not to mention he is the vocal leader, Magic had other guys who could motivate and handle internal affairs.

Magic never had to deal with the fragile psyches of Chris Bosh and Kevin Love, imagine how difficult that must be, dropping bricks dropping bricks, aww Kev its going to be alright, just play your game, "but I can't, its too hard". I feel his pain there!


The west in the 80s was weaker than the east during Lebron's run.

He single handedly carried the worst supporting cast to the finals, a postseason that featured him leapfrogging the championship caliber Pistons.

Lebron's flaws are mostly mental, you can't deny his talent, if he didn't dismiss his shooting coach and rely so heavily on others to hit shots he might have a few more rings, he needs to contact Kobe for an offseason workout this summer before its too late!

Bosh and Love wouldn't have fragile psyches playing along side Magic. Thats why they call him MAGIC. He did more to make players win championships than any one ever.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Magic and Kyrie defensive back-court, lol SF, good luck with that.

Magic is a rich man's Lebron, he will do better of course, the only question is how much better.

[soots]

Unfortunately overall that is a downgrade... the only upgrade subjectively may be Michael Jordan at his very peak...

I would say LBJ is better suited for the Cavs than MJ.

But id take any of the top 15 GOAT Bigs though. Prime Shaq, Hakeem, Duncan, KG, Kareem, Wilt, etc.

[Wade's Rings]

2007: Doesn't have the scoring to beat Detroit.
2011: Doesn't have the defense to shut down rose or carry Wade vs the Bulls. If they somehow make the Finals it's they beat Dallas.
2012: Doesn't have the scoring to carry the load with Bosh out or the defense to guard Durant or Westbrook.
2013: most likely a ring.
2014: no chance.
2015: no chance.
2016: ?

About the same results, maybe a little less. But definitely not better.

Put Wade on rose and Wade actually showed up when it mattered this series and played defense.

[Showtime80']

Jesus Christ CuterthanRubio, get your facts straight before you post BS!

The West had a 47% winning average against the East between 1980 to 1991

The East has had a 43% winning average against the West during LeBron's career!!!!

And that is with the NBA moving the powerhouse Milwaukee Bucks to the East in 1981!

Here's a list of the players Magic faced in the West during the 80's:

English
Gervin
Nance
Chambers
Stockton
Malone
Dantley
Olajuwon
Sampson
Stockton
Malone
McDaniel
KJ
DJ
Aguirre
Blackman
Drexler
Porter
Moses

Count how many hall of famers and all-stars are in that list and compare it to LeBron's pathetic East!!!

[PsychoBe]

Jesus Christ CuterthanRubio, get your facts straight before you post BS!

The West had a 47% winning average against the East between 1980 to 1991

The East has had a 43% winning average against the West during LeBron's career!!!!

And that is with the NBA moving the powerhouse Milwaukee Bucks to the East in 1981!

Here's a list of the players Magic faced in the West during the 80's:

English
Gervin
Nance
Chambers
Stockton
Malone
Dantley
Olajuwon
Sampson
Stockton
Malone
McDaniel
KJ
DJ
Aguirre
Blackman
Drexler
Porter
Moses

Count how many hall of famers and all-stars are in that list and compare it to LeBron's pathetic East!!!

jesus christ bloodbath :eek: :eek: :eek:

[tpols]

Jesus Christ CuterthanRubio, get your facts straight before you post BS!

The West had a 47% winning average against the East between 1980 to 1991

The East has had a 43% winning average against the West during LeBron's career!!!!

And that is with the NBA moving the powerhouse Milwaukee Bucks to the East in 1981!

Here's a list of the players Magic faced in the West during the 80's:

English
Gervin
Nance
Chambers
Stockton
Malone
Dantley
Olajuwon
Sampson
Stockton
Malone
McDaniel
KJ
DJ
Aguirre
Blackman
Drexler
Porter
Moses

Count how many hall of famers and all-stars are in that list and compare it to LeBron's pathetic East!!!


dont waste your breath.. it's an insult to compare magic to lebron.

it's like comparing drexler to jordan.

[choppermagic]

In the same career path as Lebron? Magic would have won 4-5 by now, especially with the cake walk through the East each year.

In addition to being a big game performer, Magic had an attitude that made fans, the media, and his teammates love him. He was a spark and ran the Showtime fast breaks. All FAs would want to play with him, instead of the dour Lebron now, and Magic made his teammates BETTER around him. So maybe he doesn't have the stats of Lebron, but he would make the Cavs into a much better team.

[Leroy Jetson]

These people saying Magic played in a weaker conference when Lebron might have a harder time making the finals in the WNBA than in the East. :oldlol:

[Straight_Ballin]

Magic had a stacked team in a less competitive era.


No disrespect to him, but theres a reason Lebron is Top 3.

KAJ went down against the 76ers and a 22 year old Magic said "I'll play center" and led his team to victory. They couldn't stop him.

Lebron is a 2/7 loser that joined stacked eastern teams only to fail.

[Kiddlovesnets]

KAJ went down against the 76ers and a 22 year old Magic said "I'll play center" and led his team to victory. They couldn't stop him.

Lebron is a 2/7 loser that joined stacked eastern teams only to fail.

Yeah, Magic proved he'd be a historical player with that series. First ever rookie FMVP, and it may never happen again.

[CuterThanRubio]

Jesus Christ CuterthanRubio, get your facts straight before you post BS!

The West had a 47% winning average against the East between 1980 to 1991

The East has had a 43% winning average against the West during LeBron's career!!!!

And that is with the NBA moving the powerhouse Milwaukee Bucks to the East in 1981!

Here's a list of the players Magic faced in the West during the 80's:

English
Gervin
Nance
Chambers
Stockton
Malone
Dantley
Olajuwon
Sampson
Stockton
Malone
McDaniel
KJ
DJ
Aguirre
Blackman
Drexler
Porter
Moses

Count how many hall of famers and all-stars are in that list and compare it to LeBron's pathetic East!!!

Allow me to briefly EXPOSE your list


English - Inflated stats/highest scoring team ever, no defense

Gervin - Empty stats, never accomplished anything in the playoffs

Nance - Wasn't effective until he was a role player in Cleveland

Chambers - Garbage, only found success in a limited role in PHX

Stockton - Dishonest stat keeping created his legacy, hes not a top 5 PG

Malone - Total monster, but what was he doing in the 80s? empty scoring!

Dantley - Cancerous me-first scorer, couldn't win when it counted

Olajuwon - Didn't blossom until the 90s when Jordan retired

Sampson - One year wonder

Stockton - yes, you put Stockton in here more than once, he's trash


Malone- You put Malone in here twice to make the list bigger, the 80s was all about inflated numbers so it doesn't surprise me that you would follow suit with your TERRIBLE posting style. (I see you biting my technique out here too, you aren't me, you suck)


McDaniel - X was trash, he was a role player


KJ - I like KJ, but he was only slightly above average, did jack without Charles


DJ - Beneficiary of STACKED Celtics rosters


Aguirre - Only meaningful seasons took place after Jabbar retired

Blackman - Not a hall of famer

Drexler - Wasn't challenging Magic during the 80s, exploded in the early 90s and only found success in a limited role thanks to Hakeem's dominance

Porter - Good defender, couldn't score, horrible coach, he sucked, huge reason whythey lost to the bulls

Moses - One year wonder, only won because Worthy was injured, promptly fizzled out the next season

Look at the teams that ruled the west during LeBron's career, they are leaps and bounds beyond the trash of the 80s, its not comparable.

"Powerhouse Milwaukee Bucks"

Say that five times fast and listen to how ridiculous it sounds!

Lebron carried lesser players to greater heights, and when he had the opportunity to play alongside fellow all stars he won back to back championships.

We can critique his lack of a jumper and passive approach, but you can't fault anyone for losing to the best team of all time to this point, Lil Kev is out here throwing games and he was supposed to be the second option, the Cavs just aren't good enough that isn't entirely on LeBron although he could be playing more aggressively.

LeBron is such a threatening figure to you old era fanboys, if the 80s were so great what are you worried about lol, oh yeah, the 80s sucked and drug abuse and PED use was sky high, not to mention the league wasn't very popular so media scrutiny was at an all time low and unfair advantages were freely awarded to frontrunning teams (BS foul on Laimbeer for example, possibly rigged draft for NY/Ewing)

The revolution is now, you can't deny it!

[jrong]

The problem is James is too MUCH like Magic Johnson.

LeBron has the type of basketball brain that is like a computer, similar to Magic. He analyzes game situations and makes plays based on the data in front of him.

Guys like MJ, Kobe and Wade have the Predator model basketball brain. Regardless of game situation, they are programmed to kill.

LeBron has the Predator program, but it's only one of his programs. And that is his fatal flaw. Because if he was a pure Predator, he would be setting new standards of GOAT-ness. The guy is the most physically gifted player in league history.

In a way it's inexcusable that he won't be GOAT. I sometimes wonder if he would have been an even better football player. GOAT receiver / tight end?

[Kiddlovesnets]

The poor man's Magic did well last night, still trailing series 1-2 though. Magic Johnson himself would be up 2-1 now, which is why hes the rich man's Lebron James.

[Gileraracer]

6/6 easily

[Just2McFly]

Probably 4. They win 2011 and 2014.

No way Magic loses with this current Cavs team to the Warriors. Too many weapons at his disposal.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

you are delusional

[Micku]

Depends upon which Magic. Prime Magic was a better shooter and post player than early Magic.

Lebron James is a better overall player than Magic imo. The defense is key. Magic is pretty average defender, but a solid help defender and could read the passing lanes.

Magic could control the pace better and get his teammates involve more. I don't think 2011 Heat would be as awkward on the offensive end with Magic Johnson. It would still be a tad awkward since Magic needs the ball and so does Wade, but less awkward. There will be more highlights too.

I would think that 2011 the Heat would win, but you can flip a coin with that. Magic has choked in the finals before. But I'm willing to bet that Magic wouldn't have that bad of a series against the Mavs.


Unfortunately overall that is a downgrade... the only upgrade subjectively may be Michael Jordan at his very peak...

As a perimeter player y'mean? Because you still have the big men like Shaq, Kareem, and Wilt. In their prime, they were impactful as LBJ or more so since they were more unstoppable. MJ is a given. Those big men will probably be more valuable in this era.

Prime Hakeem would be interesting too.

[colts19]

Lebron is a better individual player than magic. Magic had the better teams. and played in a much weaker conference.

Nobody has ever played in a weaker conference than Bron. Magic did play in a weak conference but my GOD, Bron has had no good teams at all to play against in the playoffs until he got to the finals and we all know what his record is in them.

Lebron is a great physical specimen, but he can't shoot as good as Magic and he sure can't run a team as good as Magic. Magic is the best team player this side of Bill Russell.

Its called impact. Be fair. When you looked at Magic's Box score his impact was greater than his Box Score. Bron impact in the game never lives up to what his Box score shows.

[Solefade]

Also dont forget Magic had AIDS, which is a definite downgrade


:oldlol:

[plowking]

So we had someone in here actually say Magic would win the title with the Heat in 2014. I honestly think some shit should be ban worthy on the basis of trolling.

And also apparently Magic beating 39 win teams to get to the finals is stronger than the current East. Cool, good one guys. :oldlol:

So easy to spot the idiots on here.

[LAZERUSS]

Magic in '09, in '10, in '11, in '12, in '13, possibly in '14, possibly in '15, and likely in '16, as well.

6-8 rings.

Yes, he was THAT great.

[Smoke117]

How is it a downgrade? Peak Magic put up 23/13/8/2 on great efficiency and was arguably the greatest offensive player ever. Lebron obviously has the edge defensively but Magic was a solid team-defender and he twice led the league in steals. Overall they're pretty close, but I would in no way shape or form characterize Magic as a "downgrade" from Lebron. That's absurd.

This would be more a lateral move than anything else.

[feyki]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

you are delusional

Magic would made them(teammates/heat players) better when Lebron make them cold as pluton . That was an individual shooting year by Lebron , there was no defence no playmaking by him rather than his entire career .

I'm not saying Magic would got that Spurs . But Heat would be much better with him. He wouldn't made cold his teammates at least , like Lebron did . I remember Nets series , Wade-Bosh-other role players turned like crowd to watch Lebron .

For thread ..

Magic would won 2010,2011 plus .

[Hey Yo]

KAJ went down against the 76ers and a 22 year old Magic said "I'll play center" and led his team to victory. They couldn't stop him.

Lebron is a 2/7 loser that joined stacked eastern teams only to fail.
Magic played center for the opening tip off....that was his extent at playing center.

[fourkicks44]

Magic played center for the opening tip off....that was his extent at playing center.

While I pretty much never agree with your opinions. I gotta say I have made respect for the Mike Damone avy.

:cheers:

[hateraid]

Magic played center for the opening tip off....that was his extent at playing center.
But...but...but...Straight_Ballin has seen this era play! We're all just kids who've never watched basketball passed Kobe Bryant!:lol

I love how Straight_Ballin belittles people when it comes to the history of the game yet he clearly gets his "facts" from exaggerated myths. Just like all his opinions on Jordan.

Good on you for calling him out

[Hey Yo]

But...but...but...Straight_Ballin has seen this era play! We're all just kids who've never watched basketball passed Kobe Bryant!:lol

I love how Straight_Ballin belittles people when it comes to the history of the game yet he clearly gets his "facts" from exaggerated myths. Just like all his opinions on Jordan.

Good on you for calling him out
The dude's a pathological liar and has some series problems.

I mean, what kind of person does it take to post a fake tax return showing how much he allgedly made last year???? :facepalm

One of his best Jordan lines was when he referred to MJ's Senior year at UNC......even though he entered the NBA draft after his junior year....:facepalm

Another thing about that Game 6 with Magic is that yeah, he had the most points for the Lakers but Jamaal Wilkes put up 37 and 10. So it's not like Magic did it all himself.....he had plenty of help.

[hateraid]

The dude's a pathological liar and has some series problems.

I mean, what kind of person does it take to post a fake tax return showing how much he allgedly made last year???? :facepalm

One of his best Jordan lines was when he referred to MJ's Senior year at UNC......even though he entered the NBA draft after his junior year....:facepalm

Another thing about that Game 6 with Magic is that yeah, he had the most points for the Lakers but Jamaal Wilkes put up 37 and 10. So it's not like Magic did it all himself.....he had plenty of help.

:lol what a fraud.
He's very agenda driven so I don't usually read his drivel. This one caught my eye because he's always calling us "kids" who don't worship Jordan by saying we never watched basketball in his era. Yet he ****s up well known facts like the Magic center game.

[plowking]

Magic would made them(teammates/heat players) better when Lebron make them cold as pluton . That was an individual shooting year by Lebron , there was no defence no playmaking by him rather than his entire career .

I'm not saying Magic would got that Spurs . But Heat would be much better with him. He wouldn't made cold his teammates at least , like Lebron did . I remember Nets series , Wade-Bosh-other role players turned like crowd to watch Lebron .

For thread ..

Magic would won 2010,2011 plus .

Magic wouldn't have done shit... is the most likely scenario.

Dude feasted on shitty ass teams, with his all time great team. It is easy to make the game look easy, and make your teammates look good when you're versing 39 win teams in the conference finals.

Can you imagine the f*cking uproar if LeBron played someone the level of the Orlando Magic in the conference final this year? People were going crazy over him beating the 56 win Raptors FFS.

Bron has been apart of some of the highest passing teams in the league. His Heat team in 2012 set the record for most passes in a season, which was later broken by them the next year, and also the Spurs the year after. Magic's passes wouldn't be doing anything more special aside from a few plays. You take into consideration he averages 11apg, only 1 or 2 of those a night are passes most guys can't make.

Magic isn't doing anything special with the 2010 team, or any other Bron led team. Particularly due to his subpar defense compared to Bron.

[choppermagic]

Some people here dont understand what Magic really brought to the table, and just focus on stats.

The guy was the engine in the Showtime lakers. He ran a Dynasty team that won 5, but would have won 6-7 rings, if another Dynasty team, the Celtics, werent there to battle in the 80s. Magic created an entire culture of fun and playmaking within his team that elevated his teammates and extended Kareem's career.

Magic on your team instead of Lebron =

- less scoring by Magic over Lebron
- way more assist
- rebounding about same
- all his teammates become BETTER instead of worse;
- city becomes more energized; marketing also increases;
- FAs flock to Magic's team because of style of play and leadership
- Magic never leaves Cleveland and draws players to him;
- Clutch play;
- ability to post, and add new skills each year;
- worse defensively;
- winning attitude;

Its a big upgrade.

[atljonesbro]

Lebron averages a triple double every year in the no defense era, let's be honest here

[choppermagic]

Lebron averages a triple double every year in the no defense era, let's be honest here

Yes, let's be honest here...one Rick Mahorn elbow to lebron and he's flopping his way to the ER, while the players and refs laugh at him for being so soft. Then he ends up riding the bench for most of the game because he can't take the hits

[Replay32]

The Magic Man :rockon:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZ5j2M70uro

[bigkingsfan]

Yes, let's be honest here...one Rick Mahorn elbow to lebron and he's flopping his way to the ER, while the players and refs laugh at him for being so soft. Then he ends up riding the bench for most of the game because he can't take the hits
When did Mahorn ever elbow Magic?

[atljonesbro]

Yes, let's be honest here...one Rick Mahorn elbow to lebron and he's flopping his way to the ER, while the players and refs laugh at him for being so soft. Then he ends up riding the bench for most of the game because he can't take the hits
Another reason LeBron easily averages a triple double, the level skill was low back then so they assaulted players to supplement skill. The only thing is Lebron will be the biggest player on the court at all times, they can't hurt him lmao.