Top 10 GOAT formula: 2 FMVP required, then count the rings

[ripthekik]

Here's a formula I thought up: First of all, winning is the most important aspect of basketball, that's why rings are cherished. However, to separate role players and real players who put teams on their shoulders, we first look at the FMVP award.

However, there are a lot of "1 shot players": who only won FMVP once. It is possible their team had a great run that year, or they simply played great that series, so we eliminate guys that only have 1 FMVP such as: Kawhi Leonard, Billups, Iguodala.

This gives us a list of players who have at least 2 FMVP's, now we know these are the legends that have influenced their teams to at least 2 rings or more.

Finally, we count the amount of rings to see who is the greatest. (Unfortunately this takes out Bill Russell as he won his rings before 1968, and there were no FMVPs then, so we'll just keep that in mind for now)

1. MJ 6 Rings (6 FMVP)
2. Kareem 6 Rings (2 FMVP)
3. Magic 5 Rings (3 FMVP)
4. Duncan 5 Rings (3 FMVP)
5. Kobe 5 Rings (2 FMVP)
6. Shaq 4 Rings (3 FMVP)
7. Larry Bird 3 Rings (2 FMVP)
8. Hakeem 2 Rings (2 FMVP)
9. Lebron 2 Rings (2 FMVP)

I think the formula worked out a great list.. indeed the top 10 players (9+Russell) and the rankings are pretty accurate too.

[feyki]

2 fmvp's + mvp's ;

Kareem
Russell/Jordan
Jordan/Russell
Wilt/Lebron
Lebron/Wilt
Magic/Bird

It's a stupid game :(

[pauk]

Oh... so MVP doesnt count because Kobe had only 1? :oldlol:

[ripthekik]

Oh... so MVP doesnt count because Kobe had only 1? :oldlol:
Read my first sentence.. it's about winning. Basketball is about winning, the goal is to win in June, not to pad the most stats during the regular season. Plus, these days, the MVP award is basically a media thing.. not much weight to it anymore

[Magic 32]

Oh... so MVP doesnt count because Kobe had only 1? :oldlol:

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[scuzzy]

Accumulated rings and FMVP

OP- "his formula"

The epitomy of Kobe Fam IQ :lol

[Lebron23]

It should be MVP, Finals MVP and Rings + Playoffs and Regular Season Stats.

[GrapeApe]

What if a player wins multiple championships at the tail end of their career as the 11-12th guy on the bench? By OP's formula, if he already had 2 FMVP's it would catapult his ranking despite barely being a factor for those titles. Point is, not all titles are created equal. They don't care as much weight unless you're at least an all-star.

[Prime_Shaq]

I still think there are no definitive rankings, but you can rank them in tiers

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I see no difference between this list and ESPN's. Winning to a degree is circumstantial, however LeBron manipulated his rosters NOT once, but TWICE...in FOUR seasons. That is unprecedented.

Lets cancel both lists out, split the difference, and place LeBron somewhere in the 8-10 range where he belongs. Throw Kobe in there too. :confusedshrug:

[bigkingsfan]

ESPN already pinpointed it.

[Akrazotile]

Read my first sentence.. it's about winning. Basketball is about winning, the goal is to win in June, not to pad the most stats during the regular season. Plus, these days, the MVP award is basically a media thing.. not much weight to it anymore


You have to win games to get an MVP. They usually give it to the best player on the best team. Except when Pau got robbed in 08.


A better formula is at least 2 MVP, 2 FMVP, % of career spent in the finals, c0ck length, c0ck girth, and beauty of hairline.


In other words... LEBRON = GOAT

[LBJ 23]

Great formula OP :applause:

Iggy wins another FMVP this year as it looks , then adds a nice amount of role players rings(being a GS player) to that and he's right there in the top 10 kicking out many legends.

Bravo OP :bowdown:

[Hey Yo]

Kobe only has 2 rings.....he was a sidekick for the Shaq's first 3

Straight from the horses mouth in the video

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/blogs/triple-threat/Lakers-Kobe-Bryant-Shaq-sidekick-video-191065851.html

[NBAGOAT]

:biggums: by OP's formula Willis Reed is 10th all time since he has 2 fmvp's. Another stupid formula.

[ripthekik]

Great formula OP :applause:

Iggy wins another FMVP this year as it looks , then adds a nice amount of role players rings(being a GS player) to that and he's right there in the top 10 kicking out many legends.

Bravo OP :bowdown:
Yeah.. except, that's not gonna happen. So this is a solid formula that actually churns out the top 10 GOAT players.. not too bad I say, no arbitrary conditions, no opinions, no bias.. just results. We finally have a factual formula to weigh these players, and it works.

Instead of worrying about Iggy winning the MVP, you should be worry about 2/7, which has MUCH higher chance of happening :oldlol:

[Dray n Klay]

LOL, does OP even realize Kobe didn't even deserve his 2nd FMVP? :oldlol:

[GimmeThat]

unfortunately, minutes and points will come into play.

it's a professional league, and players provide those meaningful minutes for opportunity to win.

There were many players after KAJ that could come out and play after retirement ( counting Michael) only that many could play at that age and provide the scope that none can compare.

[Im Still Ballin]

New formula! 3 FMVP REQUIRED.

[Nash]

New formula! 3 FMVP REQUIRED.
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[MintBerryCrunch]

New formula! 3 FMVP REQUIRED.
:applause:

[Inferno]

New formula! 3 FMVP REQUIRED.

:eek: :lol :banana:

[MintBerryCrunch]

Accumulated rings and FMVP

OP- "his formula"

The epitomy of Kobe Fam IQ :lol
Can't use that formula because of Horry.

[Cone]

:eek: :lol :banana:

You shouldn't wear that avy bro. The biggest retard on this site does, and it makes me naturally scroll through your posts thinking its that other dude

[InsanityKills]

New formula! 3 FMVP REQUIRED.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Dray n Klay]

New formula! 3 FMVP REQUIRED.

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[Inferno]

You shouldn't wear that avy bro. The biggest retard on this site does, and it makes me naturally scroll through your posts thinking its that other dude

:( that's what I thought would happen...it's a nice ass logo too :cry:

[Dray n Klay]

:( that's what I thought would happen...it's a nice ass logo too :cry:

Awww.. its okay bro :banana:

[Inferno]

Awww.. its okay bro :banana:

changing it up :banana:

[scuzzy]

New formula! 3 FMVP REQUIRED.
:applause: :applause:

[Big164]

Its about Rings and Records(Mike, Wilt, Russell, Kareem)

everyone else is interchangeable cannon fodder.

[KirbyPls]

Its about Rings and Records(Mike, Wilt, Russell, Kareem)

everyone else is interchangeable cannon fodder.

Records like fewest Finals PPG average among players with multiple scoring titles?

[Monta Ellis MVP]

You may have heard I am a huge Pacers fan but also a fan of the Cavaliers as well. There is no clear-cut formula for determining the GOAT. You have to take everything into consideration. Most experts have a list like this.

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Bill Russell
4. Wilt Chamberlain
5. Magic Johnson
6. Larry Bird
7. Tim Duncan
8. Shaquile Oneal
9. Kobe Bryant
10. LeBron James

[Keno]

You may have heard I am a huge Pacers fan but also a fan of the Cavaliers as well. There is no clear-cut formula for determining the GOAT. You have to take everything into consideration. Most experts have a list like this.

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Bill Russell
4. Wilt Chamberlain
5. Magic Johnson
6. Larry Bird
7. Tim Duncan
8. Shaquile Oneal
9. Kobe Bryant
10. LeBron James

yea that list is very accurate............3 years ago. most experts have lebron top 5 now, if they aren't trolling.

[arifgokcen]

You may have heard I am a huge Pacers fan but also a fan of the Cavaliers as well. There is no clear-cut formula for determining the GOAT. You have to take everything into consideration. Most experts have a list like this.

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Bill Russell
4. Wilt Chamberlain
5. Magic Johnson
6. Larry Bird
7. Tim Duncan
8. Shaquile Oneal
9. Kobe Bryant
10. LeBron James

Actually most experts have lebron in top 5 actually every single expert i have seen has him in his/her top 5.

I would like to refer you to the thread on groundlakers forum


http://forums.lakersground.net/viewtopic.php?t=178559 (http://forums.lakersground.net/viewtopic.php?t=178559)

Groundlakers forum has actually some real lakers fans not idiotic trolls like yourself. Even lakers fans(i am a big lakers fan i grow up watching kobe i am not american like you so i used to watch Kobe back in highschool thats when they started airing NBA games over here.)

You may troll but that just doesnt change the fact that Lebron is top 5 player of all time

[Big164]

Records like fewest Finals PPG average among players with multiple scoring titles?
Records like highest finals ppg average among players with multiple 40+ seasons.

Wait....no one else has averaged 40 even once? Geez you guys suck

[Dray n Klay]

He has the highest finals ppg average among players with multiple 40+ seasons.

Wait....no one else has averaged 40 even once? Geez you guys suck


40 ppg in the regular season, 12 ppg in the Finals


Pa...


The..


Tic

:roll: :roll: :banana:

[KirbyPls]

Records like highest finals ppg average among players with multiple 40+ seasons*.

Wait....no one else has averaged 40 even once? Geez you guys suck

Against pale insurance salesmen and malt-ball delivery drivers (though I did enjoy a good malt tonic or two at the local diner in the 60s myself).

[MaxPlayer]

You may have heard I am a huge Pacers fan but also a fan of the Cavaliers as well. There is no clear-cut formula for determining the GOAT. You have to take everything into consideration. Most experts have a list like this.

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Bill Russell
4. Wilt Chamberlain
5. Magic Johnson
6. Larry Bird
7. Tim Duncan
8. Shaquile Oneal
9. Kobe Bryant
10. LeBron James

Kobe top 10???

:biggums:

[Prometheus]

2 FMVP required and then count the rings? Jesus, how convenient. I wonder how you came up with that

:facepalm

Just leave ISH and never come back. Stupid f*ck.

[KirbyPls]

Actually most experts have lebron in top 5 actually every single expert i have seen has him in his/her top 5.

I would like to refer you to the thread on groundlakers forum


http://forums.lakersground.net/viewtopic.php?t=178559 (http://forums.lakersground.net/viewtopic.php?t=178559)

Groundlakers forum has actually some real lakers fans not idiotic trolls like yourself. Even lakers fans(i am a big lakers fan i grow up watching kobe i am not american like you so i used to watch Kobe back in highschool thats when they started airing NBA games over here.)

You may troll but that just doesnt change the fact that Lebron is top 5 player of all time


20Four and StalkerforLife must have 3-4 alts a piece in that thread. :facepalm

Nice to see intelligent Lakers fans though, they just seem to be in the "relatively" silent majority.

[Hoopz2332]

You may have heard I am a huge Pacers fan but also a fan of the Cavaliers as well. There is no clear-cut formula for determining the GOAT. You have to take everything into consideration. Most experts have a list like this.

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Bill Russell
4. Wilt Chamberlain
5. Magic Johnson
6. Larry Bird
7. Tim Duncan
8. Shaquile Oneal
9. Kobe Bryant
10. LeBron James



:biggums: most experts have lebron top 2-5 range and higher than Kobe even before his 3rd title.

[Monta Ellis MVP]

:biggums: most experts have lebron top 2-5 range and higher than Kobe even before his 3rd title.

I have done lots of research on this. They do did not and still do not.

[scuzzy]

Actually most experts have lebron in top 5 actually every single expert i have seen has him in his/her top 5.

I would like to refer you to the thread on groundlakers forum


http://forums.lakersground.net/viewtopic.php?t=178559 (http://forums.lakersground.net/viewtopic.php?t=178559)

Groundlakers forum has actually some real lakers fans not idiotic trolls like yourself. Even lakers fans(i am a big lakers fan i grow up watching kobe i am not american like you so i used to watch Kobe back in highschool thats when they started airing NBA games over here.)

You may troll but that just doesnt change the fact that Lebron is top 5 player of all time

Damn! Good find brother

Even Lakers who are wildly known to dislike Lebron have him top 5, General Concensus

The debate is absurdly over now :applause:

Just wow :eek:

[k0kakw0rld]

I have done lots of research on this. They do did not and still do not.
Name them? :confusedshrug:

[red1]

New formula! 3 FMVP REQUIRED.
got em!!!

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