GSW up 2-0, Steph Curry averaging 14.5 ppg

[90sgoat]

:roll:

[Tmuston Beltics]

You don't have to average more if you have such a good team.

[nathanjizzle]

he also averaged 30 points while winning 72 games in a season.

[AintNoSunshine]

:oldlol: Fraudulent MVP. His team is all time great without him. It's like MJ's bulls without Kerr, Steph is just another great shooter.

[GINOBILI!]

he also averaged 30 points while winning 72 games in a season.
73.

[90sgoat]

:oldlol: Fraudulent MVP. His team is all time great without him. It's like MJ's bulls without Kerr, Steph is just another great shooter.

I think Jeff Hornacek averaged more points:(

[Cold soul]

Curry has amazing team around him this Warriors team is one best in history great depth too.

[ImKobe]

should be 11.5 points a game if you remve the two threes he hit in the two 4th quarters against Cavs blowout unit with his team being up 20+ pts

[warriorfan]

Curry having to score so little shows how weak the Eastern Conference is, not reinforcing the false notation on how stacked the warriors are

Answer this yes or no question

WOuld the Warriors be able to win the Championship with out Curry?











Answer is no


Would the warriors be able to set the record for greatest team of all time with 73 wnis with out curry?


answer is no


Curry turns a good team into a historically great one

Curry not having to play at full capacity to beat a weak LeBron eastern team is indicative to how soft the eastern conference has become

[90sgoat]

Curry having to score so little shows how weak the Eastern Conference is, not reinforcing the false notation on how stacked the warriors are

Answer this yes or no question

WOuld the Warriors be able to win the Championship with out Curry?

Answer is no

Would the warriors be able to set the record for greatest team of all time with 73 wnis with out curry?


answer is no


Curry turns a good team into a historically great one

Curry not having to play at full capacity to beat a weak LeBron eastern team is indicative to how soft the eastern conference has become

Curry has beaten one (1) good team in these two playoff runs.

[KiiiiNG]

This is actually WORSE than Kobe's 2000 finals... where Kobe only averaged 15ppg on 36%!

Baldbe finally takes a W! :roll: :roll: :roll:

[warriorfan]

Curry has beaten one (1) good team in these two playoff runs.

:biggums:

[warriorfan]

This is actually WORSE than Kobe's 2000 finals... where Kobe only averaged 15ppg on 36%!

Baldbe finally takes a W! :roll: :roll: :roll:

white trash meltdown alert

:roll:

[warriorfan]

This is actually WORSE than Kobe's 2000 finals... where Kobe only averaged 15ppg on 36%!

Baldbe finally takes a W! :roll: :roll: :roll:

white trash meltdown alert

:roll:

[90sgoat]

This is actually WORSE than Kobe's 2000 finals... where Kobe only averaged 15ppg on 36%!

Baldbe finally takes a W! :roll: :roll: :roll:

Wasn't Kobe like 20 years or something, Curry is a grown man in his so called prime.

[imdaman99]

Well I'm sure Warrior role players won't play like such alpha dogs on the road. Curry will prob prove his worth, no one else on the Warriors has really run away with Finals MVP yet so I'm sure he still has a chance.

Draymond has the lead right now, if he continues to do this...sure give him Finals MVP. But if he has a poor game and Curry steps up and goes bananas in the 4th quarter of a close game, I expect him to reclaim that shit.

[KiiiiNG]

Wasn't Kobe like 20 years or something, Curry is a grown man in his so called prime.
Exactly my dude! Curry is fraudulent. Non-factor in June

[Hopper15]

Says more about the Cavs defense. Let's be real they suck defensively outside of Lebron.

[knicksman]

Thats what winners are. Theres a reason why the greatest winners have lesser stats(magic, duncan and of course russell). Meanwhile jordan was 1-9 until phil forced him to sacrifice stats

[Poetry]

Draymond has the lead right now, if he continues to do this...sure give him Finals MVP. But if he has a poor game and Curry steps up and goes bananas in the 4th quarter of a close game, I expect him to reclaim that shit.

Dray is averaging 22/9/6/2.5/0.5 in 50% of the wins. This series would have to go 6 or 7 for Steph to get the FMVP. Or Dray would have to completely disappear in the other two wins.

[Young X]

A lot of people talk about "help". This guy has more help than almost any great player I've seen.

[Wade's Rings]

Dray is averaging 22/9/6/2.5/0.5 in 50% of the wins. This series would have to go 6 or 7 for Steph to get the FMVP. Or Dray would have to completely disappear in the other two wins.

Plus the impact isn't there as well. Assuming Cleveland at least wins a game or 2, he would have to really step up or Draymond would have to vanish too like you said.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Strength in numbers is accurate.

[SouBeachTalents]

A lot of people talk about "help". This guy has more help than almost any great player I've seen.

You can argue he's had more help than any player ever. Dude's been a non factor the last 2 games and his team has won by 25 ppg

[Young X]

You can argue he's had more help than any player ever. Dude's been a non factor the last 2 games and his team has won by 25 ppgPlayed basically 3 full games and still got to the conference finals.

[KG215]

should be 11.5 points a game if you remve the two threes he hit in the two 4th quarters against Cavs blowout unit with his team being up 20+ pts
Yeah, six of Curry's 29 points this series came in the 4th quarter off two meaningless threes after the game was well in hand for the Warriors. Dray and Klay and the role players blew tonight's game open and iced it with Curry watching from the bench.

[tpols]

You can argue he's had more help than any player ever. Dude's been a non factor the last 2 games and his team has won by 25 ppg

it's more of a testament to the weakness of the competition. lord knows warriors role players would absolutely not be doing this to OKC or SAS. This cavs team is just small and weak defensively.

[ClipperRevival]

It's not a good look if we are discussing his all time rankings. Sure, you want to win over anything else but as "the man", you also want to equal or exceed your normal production at the biggest stages and be the main reason why your team won, not get reduced to a 3rd or 4th wheel. He's got some games left to make it right.

[dabigbaws]

At this point, Curry is the help. This is draymonds or klays team on any given night in these playoffs.

[DCL]

2 wins including one blowout victory

i don't think he's losing any sleep at night at all

[Glide2keva]

Curry isn't scoring a lot because at this point he hasn't HAD to. Cats have played decent defense on him and Klay as well.

But this team is clicking on all cylinders, and the Cavs do not have an answer for them.

[Stormtrooper]

Idiots would rather have Steph jack up 30 shots just to prove that hes MVP and put the teams victory in jeopardy. Nice Logic. He scored 18 on 11 shots 9 rebounds and 5 assists with 25 mins played in foul trouble. But Ok.... :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead:

[Glide2keva]

Idiots would rather have Steph jack up 30 shots just to prove that hes MVP and put the teams victory in jeopardy. Nice Logic. He scored 18 on 11 shots 9 rebounds and 5 assists with 25 mins played in foul trouble. But Ok.... :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead:
Exactly.

[ralph_i_el]

Do you guys even watch the games? Or are you all legitimately retarded?

The threat of Curry's shot breaks down defenses. Green was shooting open shots and attacking defenses bent towards Curry all night.

Green is a great player, but on offense his greatest skill is decision making....making the right plays around a player that draws a ton of attention like Curry.

Watch, if they lay off Curry a bit to focus on Draymond, he'll explode.

[ralph_i_el]

Idiots would rather have Steph jack up 30 shots just to prove that hes MVP and put the teams victory in jeopardy. Nice Logic. He scored 18 on 11 shots 9 rebounds and 5 assists with 25 mins played in foul trouble. But Ok.... :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead:

^Thank you

Morons like the folks in this thread are the reason why I rarely post here anymore. That and the stupid huge ads that take up the entire screen on my phone :facepalm

[Andrei89]

Curry having to score so little shows how weak the Eastern Conference is, not reinforcing the false notation on how stacked the warriors are

Answer this yes or no question

WOuld the Warriors be able to win the Championship with out Curry?













Answer is no


Would the warriors be able to set the record for greatest team of all time with 73 wnis with out curry?


answer is no


Curry turns a good team into a historically great one

Curry not having to play at full capacity to beat a weak LeBron eastern team is indicative to how soft the eastern conference has become

Writing in bold = melt ...dawnnnn

[GINOBILI!]

The W is all that matters.

[StephHamann]

Cavs get trashed by 30 every game regardless.


Lebron hold that L

[UK2K]

Curry having to score so little shows how weak the Eastern Conference is, not reinforcing the false notation on how stacked the warriors are

Answer this yes or no question

WOuld the Warriors be able to win the Championship with out Curry

They're a top 3 team without Curry, so maybe. Would OKC make it to the WCF without Durant or WB?

No.

[UK2K]

Idiots would rather have Steph jack up 30 shots just to prove that hes MVP and put the teams victory in jeopardy. Nice Logic. He scored 18 on 11 shots 9 rebounds and 5 assists with 25 mins played in foul trouble. But Ok.... :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead:

Nobody is saying that. Nice logic.

[warriorfan]

They're a top 3 team without Curry, so maybe. Would OKC make it to the WCF without Durant or WB?

No.

they were losing to the blazers before curry came back, they are not a top 3 team with out curry

you do not know ball

:facepalm

[SpecialQue]

Who gives a shit about stats when the team you're rooting for wins?

[sd3035]

Curry is just a winner, he's taking 2-3 Cavs defenders out of the play on most possessions, allowing his teammates to have a tremendous advantage :applause: :applause:

[LakersForlife]

if curry is needed he shows up.. okc series.. against this cavs team... well he could score 2 points and beat the cavs..cavs are just bad

[Doranku]

This is why you actually watch the games instead of box scores.

On paper, it looks like Curry has been playing poorly, but he hasn't. He's been playing smart, team-oriented basketball and is doing a great job at reading/reacting to the Cavaliers defense.

Meanwhile, LeBron is averaging a near triple double but is literally giving his team zero chance to win because he's incapable of hitting a jump shot outside of 10 feet.

[Lebron23]

This is why you actually watch the games instead of box scores.

On paper, it looks like Curry has been playing poorly, but he hasn't. He's been playing smart, team-oriented basketball and is doing a great job at reading/reacting to the Cavaliers defense.

Meanwhile, LeBron is averaging a near triple double but is literally giving his team zero chance to win because he's incapable of hitting a jump shot outside of 10 feet.


Did you watch the game with your eyes wide open? Lebron was the only consistent player for the Cavs. It's not his fault Irving and Love are struggling in the NBA Finals.

[warriorfan]

Did you watch the game with your eyes wide open? Lebron was the only consistent player for the Cavs. It's not his fault Irving and Love are struggling in the NBA Finals.

lebron isn't spacing the floor for them he just barrels into the lane and kicks out and they get closed out on because everyone knows whats coming

stop making excuses :facepalm

[GINOBILI!]

Did you watch the game with your eyes wide open? Lebron was the only consistent player for the Cavs. It's not his fault Irving and Love are struggling in the NBA Finals.
Consistently turning the ball over and shooting poorly.

[UK2K]

they were losing to the blazers before curry came back, they are not a top 3 team with out curry

you do not know ball

:facepalm

GS won game 1 and 2.

Lost game 3.

Curry came back in game 4.

You do not know ball. :lol You don't even know your own team. :lol :lol :lol

Trash.

[Hey Yo]

This is why you actually watch the games instead of box scores.

On paper, it looks like Curry has been playing poorly, but he hasn't. He's been playing smart, team-oriented basketball and is doing a great job at reading/reacting to the Cavaliers defense.

Meanwhile, LeBron is averaging a near triple double but is literally giving his team zero chance to win because he's incapable of hitting a jump shot outside of 10 feet.
So if he made 3 more jumpers last night while no one else on the team did....they would have won?

:facepalm


:cletus: derp derp

[Young X]

they were losing to the blazers before curry came back, they are not a top 3 team with out curry

you do not know ball

:facepalmThey would be the 4th best team in the league without Curry.

[Lebron23]

Consistently turning the ball over and shooting poorly.

What Love's and Irving FG% in the NBA Finals??

[warriorfan]

GS won game 1 and 2.

Lost game 3.

Curry came back in game 4.

You do not know ball. :lol You don't even know your own team. :lol :lol :lol

Trash.

Yeah, warriors were able to win at home vs an awful blazer team

Got ****ed up and were lost on the road though

you didn't even watch the games, you dont even understand context of home court advantage even when you are box score watching

you seriously dont know shit about basketball just stop :oldlol:

[warriorfan]

So if he made 3 more jumpers last night while no one else on the team did....they would have won?

:facepalm


:cletus: derp derp

if he showed the ability to make shots he would pressure the defense more and give better spacing to his teammates, in turn his teammates would get better quality looks and score more easily and more efficiently

this isn't a hard concept to grasp :facepalm

[PP34Deuce]

So if he made 3 more jumpers last night while no one else on the team did....they would have won?

:facepalm


:cletus: derp derp

if Lebron could hit jumpers (Mid range) it opens up a lane for Kyrie or a 3 for Love, or Smith. Watching the game he's Rondo. He's afraid to shoot he neglected this part of his game and it's biting him in the butt.

CAVS lack spacing and he's apart of it. every job I've ever had, they say control what you can control.

Love can't control he's undersized and lacks power for finishing ability. THat won't go away especially when he's nearing 30.
Kyrie is young- He still has time (4-5 years younger than Curry, Westbrook etc)

Lebron has shown he can have a respectable jumper and post game. He can control this. He gets blame because the issues on the court can be controlled by him.

[UK2K]

Yeah, warriors were able to win at home vs an awful blazer team

Got ****ed up and were lost on the road though

you didn't even watch the games, you dont even understand context of home court advantage even when you are box score watching

you seriously dont know shit about basketball just stop :oldlol:

You said the Warriors were losing until Curry came back.

You're an idiot who doesn't know his own team. The end.

[strike]

you think curry gives a f? He's about to win a second ring!

This is why he's so great. he doesnt give a toss about the individual stats as much as the likes of lebron kobe etc. Its all about the W for him.

If the team is doing great keep feeding them! He doesn't need to be taking over taking a bunch of shots!

[Hey Yo]

if he showed the ability to make shots he would pressure the defense more and give better spacing to his teammates, in turn his teammates would get better quality looks and score more easily and more efficiently

this isn't a hard concept to grasp :facepalm
What you wrote above IS very hard to grasp, cause it's so f*ckin' stupid pertaining to basketball.

[warriorfan]

You said the Warriors were losing until Curry came back.

You're an idiot who doesn't know his own team. The end.

You said warriors are a top 3 team with out curry

Warriors managed to beat the Blazers (who are not a top 3 team) at HOME (it's easier in the NBA to win at home rather than away if you didn't know)

When the warriors played the blazers in portland with out curry they were completely lost and got wrecked

then magically when curry returns they beat that ass in portland as curry sets the NBA record for most points in an OT

you are like lebron23's retarded half cousin, you dont know shit about ball nevertheless anything else, stop posting for real

[Hey Yo]

if Lebron could hit jumpers (Mid range) it opens up a lane for Kyrie or a 3 for Love, or Smith. Watching the game he's Rondo. He's afraid to shoot he neglected this part of his game and it's biting him in the butt.

CAVS lack spacing and he's apart of it. every job I've ever had, they say control what you can control.

Love can't control he's undersized and lacks power for finishing ability. THat won't go away especially when he's nearing 30.
Kyrie is young- He still has time (4-5 years younger than Curry, Westbrook etc)

Lebron has shown he can have a respectable jumper and post game. He can control this. He gets blame because the issues on the court can be controlled by him.
Irving's going to drive to the basket regardless if the lane is open or not. James does post up and gets collapsed on when he makes his move to the basket. It makes it hard to pass out of when doing so which makes more of a chance for a turnover.

Channing Frye's played 11mins and has 2FGA. JR Smith has played 69mins and has 9FGA.

So the reason for above is because LeBron struggles with his shot????

[warriorfan]

What you wrote above IS very hard to grasp, cause it's so f*ckin' stupid pertaining to basketball.

exposed as not knowing ball

time for you to go to realGM and copy paste lebrons box scores

[riseagainst]

Curry having to score so little shows how weak the Eastern Conference is, not reinforcing the false notation on how stacked the warriors are

Answer this yes or no question

WOuld the Warriors be able to win the Championship with out Curry?











Answer is no


Would the warriors be able to set the record for greatest team of all time with 73 wnis with out curry?


answer is no


Curry turns a good team into a historically great one

Curry not having to play at full capacity to beat a weak LeBron eastern team is indicative to how soft the eastern conference has become


very well said.

you just rekt the OP.

[tpols]

Channing Frye's played 11mins and has 2FGA. JR Smith has played 69mins and has 9FGA.

So the reason for above is because LeBron struggles with his shot????

Yes.

Look at the tape, Golden State has been switching or going under every screen, and sticking to JR and Frye like glue. Thats been the gameplan. Thats the reason those guys arent getting shots. The warriors will not help off of them.

And Lebron has been completely unable to make golden state pay for sagging off him. The Cavs were giving the same treatment to draymond and know what he did last night? He buried them.

[Hey Yo]

exposed as not knowing ball

time for you to go to realGM and copy paste lebrons box scores
Irving, Love, JR, Jefferson, Frye......all can make the outside shots. How come they're not opening up better spacing or getting teammates better quality looks?

[90sgoat]

Curry is basically Reggie Miller.

[UK2K]

You said warriors are a top 3 team with out curry

Warriors managed to beat the Blazers (who are not a top 3 team) at HOME (it's easier in the NBA to win at home rather than away if you didn't know)

By 12 points in game 1, and 11 points in game 2. On the season, their average margin of victory was +10.6, meaning it was business as usual.

And it's easier to win at home? Really? Holy ****... what a revelation.


When the warriors played the blazers in portland with out curry they were completely lost and got wrecked
Wrecked? If by wrecked, you mean they were outscored in one quarter (GS outscored them by 6 in quarters 1, 3, and 4) but both teams scored 62 in the second half, then yeah, I guess they did get 'wrecked'.


then magically when curry returns they beat that ass in portland as curry sets the NBA record for most points in an OT

Curry had a great game 4. A historic game, as you pointed out. Never said he didn't. Never said he wasn't a great player either. Draymond (21,9,7,5,4) and Klay (23 on 5-10 from deep) were pretty good that game too, so let's not pretend like Curry was a knight in shining armor saving his hapless teammates from certain destruction. At the end of OT, Curry had 23, while Klay and Draymond both had 21, so again, let's stop pretending like the rest of the GSW's are losers.


you are like lebron23's retarded half cousin, you dont know shit about ball nevertheless anything else, stop posting for real

Because you don't remember GS never trailed to Portland, suddenly I don't know ball?

I know you probably sit around and jerk it to the Curry posters hanging all over your mom's basement, but to think that the GSW without Curry still wouldn't be in contention for title contender just makes you seem like you like Curry, and not GS.

Change your name to curryfan as opposed to warriorfan. At least be accurate to the board and honest with yourself.

[Lebron23]

Curry is basically Reggie Miller.


Dell Curry Jr.

Dell would be an NBA superstar in today's league.

[Hey Yo]

Yes.

Look at the tape, Golden State has been switching or going under every screen, and sticking to JR and Frye like glue. Thats been the gameplan. Thats the reason those guys arent getting shots. The warriors will not help off of them.

And Lebron has been completely unable to make golden state pay for sagging off him. The Cavs were giving the same treatment to draymond and know what he did last night? He buried them.
I don't need the tape, I see it live and agree with you. It's great defense by GSW.

Even if James was shooting a good mid-range game....it still wouldn't be enough to overcome the extra point from the made 3's by GSW and the Cavs missed assignments on defense.

[GINOBILI!]

Dell Curry Jr.

Dell would be an NBA superstar in today's league.
Continue your meltdown short man.

[Cali Syndicate]

So if he made 3 more jumpers last night while no one else on the team did....they would have won?

:facepalm


:cletus: derp derp

If he's consistently hitting mid range jumpers, the defense will have to adjust and play him differently and can ultimately change the dynamic of the offense.

[f0und]

curry's shot has indeed taken a *hit dive in this finals, but he still has a huge impact. whenever he's on the floor, he draws so much attention. he's always moving, always running around multiple screens in all four corners of the court. if you pay attention you can see that wherever curry runs too, the entire cavs defense shifts and gravitates toward him. their entire gameplan is built around stopping steph which frees up the rest of the team. he's got to at least get credit for that.

in saying that, thats just also another reason why steph, or anyone else really, isnt on the same level as jordan, even if its just offensively. in the playoffs, teams have more time to prepare their game strategies. in a series, they can learn from their mistakes and make adjustments. jordan faced defenses his entire career where it was 100% geared toward stopping him, and he still produced the biggest list of legendary playoff performances. when it came to jordan, no amount of prep and strategy could keep jordan down. he will find a way to beat you.

during the reg season people were all aboard the curry hype train, saying things like this is the best season in nba history. ive always maintained that it could be, but only if he could sustain this level of play in the playoffs and finals, where the best bball minds and players sleep, eat and breath your name.

[Hey Yo]

If he's consistently hitting mid range jumpers, the defense will have to adjust and play him differently and can ultimately change the dynamic of the offense.
Kerr probably wouldn't change anything except have Iggy or Drayfag play closer to him.

Still wouldn't mean Cavs 3pt shooters would be getting better looks.

[3ball]

:rolleyes:

[3ball]

.
Jordan would've lost all 6 Finals if he had 2 games in a row with 9 and 14 points like Curry... Jordan never scored less than 22 in a Finals game.. His playoff low is 15 points and he has only 6 playoff games with less than 20 points (179 total games).

Curry isn't even his team's scoring leader for various series, whereas Jordan led his team in scoring for every series of his career, by an average of 15.4 ppg (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=406920).. No all-time great led their team in scoring for every series of their careers, let alone by 15 ppg like Jordan.

Jordan also led his team in passing - he led the Bulls in assist percentage for both 3-peats (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11713121&postcount=49).. Ultimately, Jordan's goat scoring load, team-leading passing, and best-ever defense at his position is the best performance and biggest load ever carried.

[UK2K]

I don't need the tape, I see it live and agree with you. It's great defense by GSW.

Even if James was shooting a good mid-range game....it still wouldn't be enough to overcome the extra point from the made 3's by GSW and the Cavs missed assignments on defense.

Most underrated part of the series IMO.

GSW defense has been on point. Outstanding team defense, really, all year long.

[tpols]

Kerr probably wouldn't change anything except have Iggy or Drayfag play closer to him.

Still wouldn't mean Cavs 3pt shooters would be getting better looks.


you have to realize that the bolded would give Lebron open driving lanes, right? which leads to dunks, and layups, then help starts coming, then the shooters are getting better looks. That's exactly how it works and how the dynamic would be flipped if Lebron could hit a jumpshot.

There are two things wrong with the cavs:

1 no defense from half of their starters / players
2 Lebron being such a primary option not being able to shoot leading to packed paint and wrapped up shooters.

and I dont see how they are gonna change 1, so they need bran to hit jumpers.

[feyki]

.
Jordan would've lost all 6 Finals if he had 2 games in a row with 9 and 14 points like Curry... Jordan never scored less than 22 in a Finals game.. His playoff low is 15 points and he has only 6 playoff games with less than 20 points (179 total games).

Curry isn't even his team's scoring leader for various series, whereas Jordan led his team in scoring for every series of his career, by an average of 15.4 ppg (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=406920).. No all-time great led their team in scoring for every series of their careers, let alone by 15 ppg like Jordan.

Jordan also led his team in passing - he led the Bulls in assist percentage for both 3-peats (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11713121&postcount=49).. Ultimately, Jordan's goat scoring load, team-leading passing, and best-ever defense at his position is the best performance and biggest load ever carried.

Or he was a selfish ball hogger rather than Curry .

Cavs didn't force Warriors in first two games . They didn't need Curry .

People will see Curry's impact on road games . Like Game 6 and Game 7 against Thunder . Curry shows up his game when it critical .

[UK2K]

Or he was a selfish ball hogger rather than Curry .

Cavs didn't force Warriors in first two games . They didn't need Curry .

People will see Curry's impact on road games . Like Game 6 and Game 7 against Thunder . Curry shows up his game when it critical .
Guess you missed this part


Jordan also led his team in passing - he led the Bulls in assist percentage for both 3-peats..

[GINOBILI!]

Guess you missed this part
Ball dominance usually leads to increased assists too. Of course Jordan passed to the open man when he was doubled.

[PsychoBe]

curry took like 14 shots in game 1 and 12 shots in game 2.....

he's been a great team player but I guess scoring and ball-hogging is all that matters? :facepalm

[DMAVS41]

you have to realize that the bolded would give Lebron open driving lanes, right? which leads to dunks, and layups, then help starts coming, then the shooters are getting better looks. That's exactly how it works and how the dynamic would be flipped if Lebron could hit a jumpshot.

There are two things wrong with the cavs:

1 no defense from half of their starters / players
2 Lebron being such a primary option not being able to shoot leading to packed paint and wrapped up shooters.

and I dont see how they are gonna change 1, so they need bran to hit jumpers.

Bingo.

The defense can get better...especially if the Cavs start scoring so they can get back into a half court defensive game.

But you can't fix Lebron's inept shooting and poor iso scoring against single coverage.

It's a huge flaw in his game...and yet again it looks like it's killing his team in the finals...can't shoot and a turnover machine. LOL....but Jerry West says he shouldn't be criticized!!!!!!!!!!!

[UK2K]

Ball dominance usually leads to increased assists too. Of course Jordan passed to the open man when he was doubled.

So would that make him a selfish ball hogger, as claimed by feyki?

Or would that make him a leader who recognized when to get rid of the ball?

Jordan had a usage rate average of 35% in his six title wins, Curry is sitting at 32% this year and last....

I was simply pointing out that that kid is a Curry fan who will throw out ridiculous statements to justify their obsession with a certain player.

[Cold soul]

Curry is basically Reggie Miller.

Curry is Reggie Miller on steroids much better version.

[GINOBILI!]

So would that make him a selfish ball hogger, as claimed by feyki?

Or would that make him a leader who recognized when to get rid of the ball?

Jordan had a usage rate average of 35% in his six title wins, Curry is sitting at 32% this year and last....

I was simply pointing out that that kid is a Curry fan who will throw out ridiculous statements to justify their obsession with a certain player.
Jordan was absolutely a ball hog. That doesn't mean he wasn't the GOAT though and it also doesn't mean he didn't have a great team around him.

[feyki]

Guess you missed this part

So ? What's changes with that ?

[UK2K]

Jordan was absolutely a ball hog. That doesn't mean he wasn't the GOAT though and it also doesn't mean he didn't have a great team around him.

Depends on your definition...

Out of the 24 (#25 is MJ) highest usage rate seasons in NBA history (that were measurable), Jordan has two. Dwayne Wade has 3. Kobe has 3. Iverson had 5. TMac had 3. Westbrook, Melo, and Cousins all had +35.41% in the last 4 years (higher than all but one year from MJ).

I guess you could have the opinion he was a ball hog. I have the opinion he happened to be very, very good at scoring, coupled with being the best creator on the team. I wouldn't call Wade a ball hog. I wouldn't call Westbrook a ball hog either, but that's just me.

To each his own I guess.

[UK2K]

So ? What's changes with that ?
Depends on your definition. See above.

[feyki]

Depends on your definition. See above.

Look at my avatar title .

[ArbitraryWater]

Look at my avatar title .

:oldlol:

[Boogey]

How many times has curry attracted a double, and made other teams pay.

[Poetry]

How many times has curry attracted a double, and made other teams pay.

Every superstar in the history of the sport has drawn double teams.

[Goldrush25]

Answer this yes or no question

WOuld the Warriors be able to win the Championship with out Curry?











Answer is no


Would the warriors be able to set the record for greatest team of all time with 73 wnis with out curry?


answer is no


Curry turns a good team into a historically great one

Curry not having to play at full capacity to beat a weak LeBron eastern team is indicative to how soft the eastern conference has become

You could substitute "Draymond" for Curry in pretty much all of these sentences and it still makes sense.

[atljonesbro]

This is what makes curry an all time great. He's willing to do LITERALLY ANYTHING to win. He doesn't care about his own glory, just winning. Guys like Jordan and LeBron are notorious stat padders and will take an L if they can't get their own glory. They either have to A. Wait for a more watered down era (Jordan) or B. Stack the odds in their favor (Bron)

[ralph_i_el]

Every superstar in the history of the sport has drawn double teams.

:facepalm :facepalm Not before they had the ball.

Curry draws double teams OFF THE BALL a significant amount of times.

[UK2K]

This is what makes curry an all time great. He's willing to do LITERALLY ANYTHING to win. He doesn't care about his own glory, just winning. Guys like Jordan and LeBron are notorious stat padders and will take an L if they can't get their own glory. They either have to A. Wait for a more watered down era (Jordan) or B. Stack the odds in their favor (Bron)

Including not playing. :oldlol:

Curry - 36 minutes, -1
Green - 40 minutes, +17
Iguodala - 36 minutes, +21
Livingston - 27 minutes, +20
Barnes - 30 minutes, +7

What a sacrifice. A true leader.

[warriorfan]

By 12 points in game 1, and 11 points in game 2. On the season, their average margin of victory was +10.6, meaning it was business as usual.

And it's easier to win at home? Really? Holy ****... what a revelation.


Wrecked? If by wrecked, you mean they were outscored in one quarter (GS outscored them by 6 in quarters 1, 3, and 4) but both teams scored 62 in the second half, then yeah, I guess they did get 'wrecked'.



Curry had a great game 4. A historic game, as you pointed out. Never said he didn't. Never said he wasn't a great player either. Draymond (21,9,7,5,4) and Klay (23 on 5-10 from deep) were pretty good that game too, so let's not pretend like Curry was a knight in shining armor saving his hapless teammates from certain destruction. At the end of OT, Curry had 23, while Klay and Draymond both had 21, so again, let's stop pretending like the rest of the GSW's are losers.



Because you don't remember GS never trailed to Portland, suddenly I don't know ball?

I know you probably sit around and jerk it to the Curry posters hanging all over your mom's basement, but to think that the GSW without Curry still wouldn't be in contention for title contender just makes you seem like you like Curry, and not GS.

Change your name to curryfan as opposed to warriorfan. At least be accurate to the board and honest with yourself.

you are so cringeworthy

you claim warriors are a top 3 team with out curry yet the warriors couldn't even defeat a blazer team in portland with out curry, there is literally zero evidence backing up your absurd claims, there is actually evidence of them not being a top 3 team with out curry.

The Blazers are not a top 3 team

If the Warriors with out Curry cannot defeat the Blazers in Portland then I have no idea how you are stretching them as a top 3 team

stick to posting racist shit in the OTL cause you dont know shit about basketball or have any sort of common sense on top of that

[Duffy Pratt]

Game 2 Curry had 18 9 and 4 in 25 minutes, and shot 64% from the field, in a 30 point blow out. I am sure he is really dissatisfied. He should be ashamed of himself for such a shitty game, and should not even dare to show up in Cleveland.

It's amazing how few people on this board understand that its a team game, and that the goal is for the team to win the championship. GOAT doesn't matter. FMVP doesn't matter. Winning matters. If he starts putting up numbers like the first game and the Warriors lose, then there is reason to complain.

[Hey Yo]

Game 2 Curry had 18 9 and 4 in 25 minutes, and shot 64% from the field, in a 30 point blow out. I am sure he is really dissatisfied. He should be ashamed of himself for such a shitty game, and should not even dare to show up in Cleveland.

It's amazing how few people on this board understand that its a team game, and that the goal is for the team to win the championship. GOAT doesn't matter. FMVP doesn't matter. Winning matters. If he starts putting up numbers like the first game and the Warriors lose, then there is reason to complain.
Why was Curry still in the game with 10mins left, with his team up by 25? He stayed in until about 7mins left, while the Cavs starters had been pulled long before?

He's not worried about personal stats?

[sd3035]

Why was Curry still in the game with 10mins left, with his team up by 25? He stayed in until about 7mins left, while the Cavs starters had been pulled long before?

He's not worried about personal stats?


Apparently not since he didn't attempt a shot in the time you quoted

[UK2K]

you are so cringeworthy

you claim warriors are a top 3 team with out curry yet the warriors couldn't even defeat a blazer team in portland with out curry, there is literally zero evidence backing up your absurd claims, there is actually evidence of them not being a top 3 team with out curry.

They lost one game in Portland, despite outscoring them in all but one quarter, and all of a sudden they can't beat a team on the road? Give your team a little bit of credit. :oldlol: Zero evidence, except the big long post a few hours ago. Zero evidence other than that. :oldlol: There's zero evidence I am wrong. The fact is, the Warriors are 6-3 without Curry this season, with all 9 of those games coming against playoff teams. Imagine an 82 game season, with 41 of those games coming against non-playoff teams. I think they'd be just fine.

I guess you now realize that GS was actually up when they lost the one game? Glad I could help you remember how your team was doing.


The Blazers are not a top 3 team

If the Warriors with out Curry cannot defeat the Blazers in Portland then I have no idea how you are stretching them as a top 3 team


I agree, they aren't. Coming from someone who claims I know nothing about basketball, you'd think since you know all, you wouldn't be using a one game sample size (a playoff game no less) to extrapolate the success of a hypothetical Warriors team over an 82 game season. Or maybe, you just know so much that that is the realistic thing to do.

Name me the other teams besides OKC and CLE who could compete with a Curry-less Warriors team.

If you say the Spurs, I'm slapping the shit out of you.



stick to posting racist shit in the OTL cause you dont know shit about basketball or have any sort of common sense on top of that

'They lost a game on the road in the playoffs, no ****ing way they'd having a winning record without Curry' - warriorfan

Logic isn't your strong suit, and judging by your attempt to label me racist, debate isn't either.

Peace. :cheers:

[Hey Yo]

Apparently not since he didn't attempt a shot in the time you quoted
Assists and rebounds aren't considered stats?

[LAZERUSS]

you are so cringeworthy

you claim warriors are a top 3 team with out curry yet the warriors couldn't even defeat a blazer team in portland with out curry, there is literally zero evidence backing up your absurd claims, there is actually evidence of them not being a top 3 team with out curry.

The Blazers are not a top 3 team

If the Warriors with out Curry cannot defeat the Blazers in Portland then I have no idea how you are stretching them as a top 3 team

stick to posting racist shit in the OTL cause you dont know shit about basketball or have any sort of common sense on top of that

Here is REALITY.

The Warriors went 7-1 in these playoffs without Glass. Not 6-2, but 7-1. The NBA already acknowledged that they won game three against Houston. So they were 5-0 coming into the Portland series. Hell, they were winning the last two games of that series by a combined 60 points...all without NIC.

They easily won game one at home, and blew the Blazers out in the 4th quarter of game two, at home. They did lose game three in Portland, but keep in mind that they lost to the Blazers by 32 points WITH GAC earlier in the season.

So, at 7-1, Fragile returned for game four in Portland. And he was AWFUL in the first three-and-half quarters of that game. He was 0-9 from the arc until less than five minutes remained in regulation. True, he began playing well at that point, albeit Clutch Barnes saved the Warriors with the tying shot. FINALLY, Glass went off in OT. Good for him. A total of about 10 minutes in which he played well.

And then in game five at home, they barely eked out a win against the Blazers WITH NoImpactCurry. The same Blazers team that they easily handled at home in the first two games of the series. Again...ZERO impact.

How about the OKC series? GAC was AWFUL in all three of the losses. Just AWFUL. And, in the game two win, he was moping around until late in the third quarter, when he went off for 15 points in three minutes. So, in the first four games of the OKC series, he basically played well for a span of.... THREE MINUTES.

He did play well, at home, in game five. In game six in OKC, he again was waving the white flag by the end of the third quarter. He had all but given up. However, KLAY brought the Warriors back with arguably the GOAT game by ANY Warrior this season. So, when KLAY got them to within a couple of points, Glass suddenly came to life, and hit some shots down the stretch. BUT, make no mistake...it was KLAY who saved the Warrior SEASON.

I'll give NIC credit in game seven...brilliant. But let's add up the time in which he played well again shall we? In the first four games...THREE MINUTES. In the last three games...basically two games, and the 4th quarter of one more.

And then ...the Finals. Again...in the first three quarters, just pure shit. Still, with the Warriors bench players playing well, GS led by eight when GAC came out near the end of the third quarter. What happened next? They exploded to a 20 point lead...with Glass on the bench! He came back in...and guess what? The Cavs immediately went on a 9-0 run. Coincidence? Hell no! The team just plays better without Fragile. Plain-and-simple.

Even in his last game he basically went thru the motions, and let his teammates win the game.

He has been almost a NON-FACTOR this entire post-season.

Furthermore, I have been saying all year that the Warriors were a 60+ win team, that could challenge for a title withOUT him. I need to revise that. they are a 65+ win team that would be the title favorite...withOUT NIC.

[atljonesbro]

Including not playing. :oldlol:

Curry - 36 minutes, -1
Green - 40 minutes, +17
Iguodala - 36 minutes, +21
Livingston - 27 minutes, +20
Barnes - 30 minutes, +7

What a sacrifice. A true leader.
Curry is a guy you can get behind. Can you REALLY get behind a sociopathic asshole like Jordan who concerned himself with stat padding (quotes of him regularly asking the stat keepers how close he is to triple doubles) or the beta personality of Lebron as wel as being s notorious stat padder? Curry doesn't concern himself with petty things such as those two. He's willing to sacrafice the glory of finals MVP for the betterment of his own team. Sure he could easily go out their and drop 40 a game, still win the series, and win the award, but he understands that isn't the most efficient way to approach the game. It makes the series a lot more difficult for the Warriors if he went out and tried to do that. Curry is one of the greatest leaders in NBA as he's one of the few who is willing to sacrifice for his own team

[LAZERUSS]

Curry is a guy you can get behind. Can you REALLY get behind a sociopathic asshole like Jordan who concerned himself with stat padding (quotes of him regularly asking the stat keepers how close he is to triple doubles) or the beta personality of Lebron as wel as being s notorious stat padder? Curry doesn't concern himself with petty things such as those two. He's willing to sacrafice the glory of finals MVP for the betterment of his own team. Sure he could easily go out their and drop 40 a game, still win the series, and win the award, but he understands that isn't the most efficient way to approach the game. It makes the series a lot more difficult for the Warriors if he went out and tried to do that. Curry is one of the greatest leaders in NBA as he's one of the few who is willing to sacrifice for his own team

GAC is POS that has been carried by his teammates all season. In fact, they play better withOUT him.

NoImpactCurry. NIC.

[atljonesbro]

GAC is POS that has been carried by his teammates all season. In fact, they play better withOUT him.

NoImpactCurry. NIC.
Jordan stans becoming insecure about Curry :lol . They know he's climbing the all time ladder about as fast as anyone has in NBA history. They feel him creepin :roll:

[LAZERUSS]

Jordan stans becoming insecure about Curry :lol . They know he's climbing the all time ladder about as fast as anyone has in NBA history. They feel him creepin :roll:

:roll: :roll: :roll:

He MAY be in the Top-40 now. But let's get real here. No one expects that candy ass to make it much longer. He will inevitably be forced to retire with something like chronic diaper rash. And in a couple of years I expect to see him riding a Dominos bicycle.

[Hey Yo]

Curry is a guy you can get behind. Can you REALLY get behind a sociopathic asshole like Jordan who concerned himself with stat padding (quotes of him regularly asking the stat keepers how close he is to triple doubles) or the beta personality of Lebron as wel as being s notorious stat padder? Curry doesn't concern himself with petty things such as those two. He's willing to sacrafice the glory of finals MVP for the betterment of his own team. Sure he could easily go out their and drop 40 a game, still win the series, and win the award, but he understands that isn't the most efficient way to approach the game. It makes the series a lot more difficult for the Warriors if he went out and tried to do that. Curry is one of the greatest leaders in NBA as he's one of the few who is willing to sacrifice for his own team
Huh???

Haven't you heard? He's allegedly hurt again so no..... he can't easily drop 40 and win FMVP. Unless Kerr continues to keep playing him the the 4th quarter so Curry can look to stat pad?? That' always a possibility.

[Duffy Pratt]

Why was Curry still in the game with 10mins left, with his team up by 25? He stayed in until about 7mins left, while the Cavs starters had been pulled long before?

He's not worried about personal stats?

At a guess, I would say that Kerr wants to keep his minutes within a certain range for the sake of conditioning, etc... He was out earlier because of his early foul trouble. But if you really want to know the answer to your question, you would need to ask Kerr. One thing I am fairly certain about though: Curry's concern for his personal stats had nothing to do with those minutes.

Curry played for three minutes after Irving came out. In that time he attempted no shots, had no assists, and one defensive rebounds. So yeah, I'm sure he was still in so that he could statpad his rebounds. :rolleyes:

[Duffy Pratt]

GAC is POS that has been carried by his teammates all season. In fact, they play better withOUT him.

NoImpactCurry. NIC.

They win 2/3rds of their games without him, so far both regular season and post-season. They do better with him.

Posting exaggerated crap like this makes you look even more foolish than when you are promoting Wilt.

He has a clear impact on the game, even when he's not putting up huge numbers, largely because of how much the defenses are keying on him, and how much energy they have to expend to do that.

[Marchesk]

Jordan stans becoming insecure about Curry :lol . They know he's climbing the all time ladder about as fast as anyone has in NBA history. They feel him creepin :roll:

Would help if dude started winning FMVPs, doe. Also, Laz is a Wilt stan.

[Stringer Bell]

The explanation is really simple. The Warriors have badly outplayed the Cavs in the first 2 games that Curry has scored less than half his regular season average and they are still dominating Cleveland,

[tontoz]

Curry averaged 28 ppg against OKC, 32.7 ppg in the 3 elimination games when his team really needed him.

Against the Cavs they really don't need him to light it up so he is chillin.

[warriorfan]

They lost one game in Portland, despite outscoring them in all but one quarter, and all of a sudden they can't beat a team on the road? Give your team a little bit of credit. :oldlol: Zero evidence, except the big long post a few hours ago. Zero evidence other than that. :oldlol: There's zero evidence I am wrong. The fact is, the Warriors are 6-3 without Curry this season, with all 9 of those games coming against playoff teams. Imagine an 82 game season, with 41 of those games coming against non-playoff teams. I think they'd be just fine.

I guess you now realize that GS was actually up when they lost the one game? Glad I could help you remember how your team was doing.



I agree, they aren't. Coming from someone who claims I know nothing about basketball, you'd think since you know all, you wouldn't be using a one game sample size (a playoff game no less) to extrapolate the success of a hypothetical Warriors team over an 82 game season. Or maybe, you just know so much that that is the realistic thing to do.

Name me the other teams besides OKC and CLE who could compete with a Curry-less Warriors team.

If you say the Spurs, I'm slapping the shit out of you.




'They lost a game on the road in the playoffs, no ****ing way they'd having a winning record without Curry' - warriorfan

Logic isn't your strong suit, and judging by your attempt to label me racist, debate isn't either.

Peace. :cheers:

0 evidence of warriors being a top 3 team with out curry

stop talking out the side of your pencil neck

[UK2K]

0 evidence of warriors being a top 3 team with out curry

stop talking out the side of your pencil neck
Zero rebuttal. Thrashed you for the last three pages.

It's okay dude, it's just a basketball discussion. I'm here for you.

[warriorfan]

keep telling us more about how golden state is a top 3 team with out steph curry...

:roll:

[Derka]

I'm almost certain this is one person just hopping onto different accounts to post in his own thread.

We need to free ISH from this scourge.

[Hoopz2332]

This is what makes curry an all time great. He's willing to do LITERALLY ANYTHING to win. He doesn't care about his own glory, just winning. Guys like Jordan and LeBron are notorious stat padders and will take an L if they can't get their own glory. They either have to A. Wait for a more watered down era (Jordan) or B. Stack the odds in their favor (Bron)


:kobe: :yaohappy:

[k0kakw0rld]

he also averaged 30 points while winning 72 games in a season.
No real defense played against him during the regular season. They figured him out in the playoffs :facepalm

[Frenetic]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1***9gc-Bqk

[Hey Yo]

lebron isn't spacing the floor for them he just barrels into the lane and kicks out and they get closed out on because everyone knows whats coming

stop making excuses :facepalm
Should take his own advice

[Human Error]

Look at my avatar title .
How is score overrated? It is the most important stats after all.

If you outrebound, you can still lose.
If you outassist, you can still lose.
If you outblock, you can still lose.
If you outsteal, you can still lose.
If you outscore, you can never lose.

Being able to score at high efficiency is the most important thing in basketball. Kids think they look cool and they look knowledgeable when they say "scores are overrated" but in reality they are attention seeking idiots.

[SouBeachTalents]

How is score overrated? It is the most important stats after all.

If you outrebound, you still lose.
If you outassist, you can still lose.
If you outscore, you can never lose.

Being able to score at high efficiency is the most thing in basketball. Kids think they look cool and they look knowledgeable when they say "scores are overrated" but in reality they are attention seeking idiots.

Lol, that poster isn't very intelligent

[Lebron23]

Lol, that poster isn't very intelligent


He's so annoying.

[Stanley Kobrick]

stephen curry's mcl tends to flare up in the finals all too often

[Shooter]

stephen curry's mcl tends to flare up in the finals all too often

LeDaddy beat the breaks off that boi in 2016. Relegated Curry to ZERO FINALS MVP status after emasculating him on live television for the public to see.

[Stanley Kobrick]

LeDaddy beat the breaks off that boi in 2016. Relegated Curry to ZERO FINALS MVP status after emasculating him on live television for the public to see.
to be fair stephen curry in the Finals is at always his worst despite who he plays. fred van vleet, dellavedova, shumpert. didn't really matter