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Hilary Clinton has come under fire for giving a speech about inequality in a Giorgio Armani jacket reportedly worth $12,495.
It has emerged the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee wore the tweed jacket during her victory speech in April in which she explored topics of income inequality, job creation and retirement schemes. Clinton, who is known for her pantsuit collection, has hired a team of image experts which includes Michelle Obama’s former assistant Kristina Schake and has opted for higher end European fashion labels in recent months.“She’s had to have spent in the six figures on this wardrobe overhaul,” Los Angeles-based political image consultant Patsy Cisneros told The New York Post.
Wish I could post a picture :( too lazy. Look it up, it's pretty sweet.
nathanjizzle
06-07-2016, 09:13 PM
terrible judgment but if shes made something of herself then why cant she wear something shes earned?
bigkingsfan
06-07-2016, 09:18 PM
Would you rather she be naked.
bdreason
06-07-2016, 09:30 PM
Who cares. Should we evaluate Trump's wardrobe as well? I'm guessing he has a walk-in closet worth a half million in suits alone.
Akrazotile
06-07-2016, 09:31 PM
terrible judgment but if shes made something of herself then why cant she wear something shes earned?
The point isnt that she's wearing it and can afford to do so.
The point is that she's wearing it while giving a speech about the ills of income inequality and pointing the finger at others who 'have too much.' She's a hypocritical, pandering opportunist.
Akrazotile
06-07-2016, 09:32 PM
Who cares. Should we evaluate Trump's wardrobe as well? I'm guessing he has a walk-in closet worth a half million in suits alone.
:facepalm
nathanjizzle
06-07-2016, 09:36 PM
The point isnt that she's wearing it and can afford to do so.
The point is that she's wearing it while giving a speech about the ills of income inequality and pointing the finger at others who 'have too much.' She's a hypocritical, pandering opportunist.
so take off the jacket while talking about income inequality, but put it back on when shes done?
COnDEMnED
06-07-2016, 09:37 PM
Would you rather she be naked.
Oh god no...
I would be more inclined to vote for her if she had an interpreter speak for her though. From a 0% to a 1%. Her voice makes my skin crawl.
DonDadda59
06-07-2016, 09:40 PM
"Now you wanna buy me diamonds and Armani suits
Adrienne Vitadini and Chanel 9 boots
Things that make up, for all the games and the lies
Hallmark cards, sayin, "I apologize"
Is you wit me? How could you ever decieve me
But payback's a bitch mother****er, believe me"
The daughter of a textile worker and homemaker, bout to be the leader of the free world. Stuntin on em with $12,000 armani suits. #SelfMade
The American Dream. :cry:
Patrick Chewing
06-07-2016, 09:54 PM
Her clothes are so ugly. She's an ugly person in general.
Akrazotile
06-07-2016, 09:57 PM
"Now you wanna buy me diamonds and Armani suits
Adrienne Vitadini and Chanel 9 boots
Things that make up, for all the games and the lies
Hallmark cards, sayin, "I apologize"
Is you wit me? How could you ever decieve me
But payback's a bitch mother****er, believe me"
The daughter of a textile worker and homemaker, bout to be the leader of the free world. Stuntin on em with $12,000 armani suits. #SelfMade
The American Dream. :cry:
:djparty
Keepin the blacks on welfare so they never have careers to take pride in and leverage to challenge the wealthy interests of the world.
Hillary stuntin #HardAsaMFer
#HillaryHAM
DonDadda59
06-07-2016, 10:19 PM
:djparty
Keepin the blacks on welfare so they never have careers to take pride in and leverage to challenge the wealthy interests of the world.
Hillary stuntin #HardAsaMFer
#HillaryHAM
Last time the Clintons were in the Oval Office, welfare was greatly reduced and African-American families saw their incomes/wealth rise by 1/3. The Country as a whole saw it's greatest period of economic growth on record.
Yet over the next eight years, President Clinton presided over one of the most impressive economic turnarounds in modern history. By the end of his term, 22.7 million new jobs had been created, unemployment dropped to a 30-year low, and gross domestic product grew by 35 percent overall through the longest period of sustained growth in U.S. history.
What’s more, the growth was broadly shared and unemployment plummeted across the board, including those groups for whom the economy never worked very well. Average hourly wages increased by 6 percent after accounting for inflation, and median household income grew by 14 percent, the highest increase for a two-term president. The median income of African American families increased by a third and Hispanic families saw their median incomes rise by almost $7,000. Poverty rates dropped to near record lows. And of course the federal budget went from enormous deficits to enormous surpluses, with the federal government on track to becoming effectively debt free by 2009—for the first time since Andrew Jackson was president.
https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/economy/report/2011/10/28/10405/power-of-progressive-economics-the-clinton-years/
But I know you're pulling hard for the Donald to dramatically lower his golfing buddies' taxes... And then you'll wait patiently for that sweet, sweet trickle down to come. Bet you'll be wearing your 'Make America Great Again' hat that was made in China too.
http://libertyupward.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/make-american-great-hat.jpg
They say one is born every minute. :yaohappy:
NumberSix
06-07-2016, 10:31 PM
Wow. Fake Trump hats are made in China. Amazing.
DonDadda59
06-07-2016, 10:36 PM
Wow. Fake Trump hats are made in China. Amazing.
Has it been a minute already (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ov2S-mSzFyo)? :lol
I'm building a wall... I'm building a wall (But leaving a side door open for my merchandise to flow in)
http://www.mintpressnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/YA6EP0W.jpg
A nation of gullible cucks. Probably all got their master's degrees from Trump University :yaohappy:
Akrazotile
06-07-2016, 10:36 PM
Last time the Clintons were in the Oval Office, welfare was greatly reduced and African-American families saw their incomes/wealth rise by 1/3. The Country as a whole saw it's greatest period of economic growth on record.
Yet over the next eight years, President Clinton presided over one of the most impressive economic turnarounds in modern history. By the end of his term, 22.7 million new jobs had been created, unemployment dropped to a 30-year low, and gross domestic product grew by 35 percent overall through the longest period of sustained growth in U.S. history.
What’s more, the growth was broadly shared and unemployment plummeted across the board, including those groups for whom the economy never worked very well. Average hourly wages increased by 6 percent after accounting for inflation, and median household income grew by 14 percent, the highest increase for a two-term president. The median income of African American families increased by a third and Hispanic families saw their median incomes rise by almost $7,000. Poverty rates dropped to near record lows. And of course the federal budget went from enormous deficits to enormous surpluses, with the federal government on track to becoming effectively debt free by 2009—for the first time since Andrew Jackson was president.
https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/economy/report/2011/10/28/10405/power-of-progressive-economics-the-clinton-years/
But I know you're pulling hard for the Donald to dramatically lower his golfing buddies' taxes... And then you'll wait patiently for that sweet, sweet trickle down to come. Bet you'll be wearing your 'Make America Great Again' hat that was made in China too.
http://libertyupward.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/make-american-great-hat.jpg
They say one is born every minute. :yaohappy:
http://blackdemographics.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Black-Income-from-Nixon-to-Obama.jpg
Damn. I guess Clinton was responsible for the economic boom in the 90s. But then the question is... why did Barry sabotage it? :(
Even President Bush was much better economically for black folks than Barry was.
Why Barry do 'em like that??
COnDEMnED
06-07-2016, 10:39 PM
[QUOTE=DonDadda59]Last time the Clintons were in the Oval Office, welfare was greatly reduced and African-American families saw their incomes/wealth rise by 1/3. The Country as a whole saw it's greatest period of economic growth on record.
[INDENT]Yet over the next eight years, President Clinton presided over one of the most impressive economic turnarounds in modern history. By the end of his term, 22.7 million new jobs had been created, unemployment dropped to a 30-year low, and gross domestic product grew by 35 percent overall through the longest period of sustained growth in U.S. history.
What
DeuceWallaces
06-07-2016, 10:43 PM
http://blackdemographics.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Black-Income-from-Nixon-to-Obama.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ChKJEW9WYAAs_FE.jpg:large
Dumbass
Akrazotile
06-07-2016, 10:45 PM
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Dumbass
Explain for us what your chart is supposed to illustrate, my try-hard transgendered friend.
DonDadda59
06-07-2016, 10:48 PM
Bill wasn't the worst President, but he did have his faults too. The Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, which repealed the Glass-Steagall Act (Depression-era regulations). Commodity Futures Modernization Act, which exempted credit-default swaps from regulation. Community Reinvestment Act, which put added pressure on banks to lend in low-income neighborhoods (Housing crisis). One could argue the financial burdens we have been struggling with for the last 12+ years was the brain child of Bill Clintons policies and brought to fruition throughout the Bush and Obama presidencies.
Tell me what you know of the three gentlemen Gramm, Leach, Bliley. What political party did these geniuses belong to? No doubt Clinton made a mistake not vetoing the bill, but at the time he was under tremendous political pressure to carry out bipartisan legislation following the most infamous blow jobs in World History.
Hillary wants Bill to fix the economy for her (because that's what he's good at, her words). I don't want Bill to fix a ****ing thing. I'll take my chances with the successful billionaire businessman this time.
Another minute passes us, another one born.
COnDEMnED
06-07-2016, 10:52 PM
Tell me what you know of the three gentlemen Gramm, Leach, Bliley. What political party did these geniuses belong to? No doubt Clinton made a mistake not vetoing the bill, but at the time he was under tremendous political pressure to carry out bipartisan legislation following the most infamous blow jobs in World History.
Another minute passes us, another one born.
"No doubt Clinton made a mistake not vetoing the bill"
That's all I needed to hear. Thank you.
DonDadda59
06-07-2016, 10:56 PM
Even President Bush was much better economically for black folks than Barry was.
Why Barry do 'em like that??
Jesus. :facepalm
Did you hibernate through the Great Recession? You do realize that all signs point to Obama saving the country from another Depression, don't you?
Look at all the major World economies right now. Point to the ones that have thrived since the meltdown of '07/'08. Europe only returned to '08 economic levels a few months ago (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/30/business/international/eurozone-economy-q1.html?_r=0).
http://i63.tinypic.com/144cg4.jpg
But Obama and Merkel destroyed their countries. Liberals. :mad:
ALBballer
06-07-2016, 10:56 PM
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Dumbass
Damm that Asian privilege.
As for the OP, I think there are better things to criticize Hilary on. If you criticize her on that then how do you defend Trump the self proclaimed Billionaire that is championing the rights of lower class Americans.
Akrazotile
06-07-2016, 10:57 PM
Has it been a minute already (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ov2S-mSzFyo)? :lol
I'm building a wall... I'm building a wall (But leaving a side door open for my merchandise to flow in)
http://www.mintpressnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/YA6EP0W.jpg
A nation of gullible cucks. Probably all got their master's degrees from Trump University :yaohappy:
:biggums:
This? This talking point is your big troll attempt? That Trump doesnt want an influx of cheap Mexican labor, must mean he thinks TRADE with Mexico is a bad idea? :facepalm Trade is not bad for the economy. And it has nothing to with illegal rapists and murderers.
The lengths of ignorance you will purvey just to troll a message board. Booker T Washington, Jackie Robinson, Wilt Chamberlain, Sammy Davis Jr, Clarence Thomas, Colin Powell, Thomas Sowell, Condy Rice, Puddin' Pops Cosby, and Fiddy Cent rollin over in their graves....
DonDadda59
06-07-2016, 10:58 PM
"No doubt Clinton made a mistake not vetoing the bill"
That's all I needed to hear. Thank you.
Great, but the deregulation of Wall Street has always been (and shockingly still is) a staple of the GOP. You pointed to Gramm-Leahey-Bliley as an example of Cinton's 'brain child policies'... when in fact it was a 1000% Republican concocted effort.
This? This talking point is your big troll attempt? That Trump doesnt want an influx of cheap Mexican labor, must mean he thinks TRADE with Mexico is a bad idea?
http://static1.squarespace.com/static/537e0722e4b0c3338dfc5521/t/53dd4a9ae4b01c361c9810b4/1407011496490/question-31842991.jpeg
He's not 'trading' with Mexico. He's using cheap foreign labor to make his tacky clothing instead of opening factories here in the good ole U.S. of A.
But he's gonna bring jobs back. The greatest jobs President you've ever seen. :lol
rezznor
06-07-2016, 10:59 PM
Bill wasn't the worst President, but he did have his faults too. The Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, which repealed the Glass-Steagall Act (Depression-era regulations). Commodity Futures Modernization Act, which exempted credit-default swaps from regulation. Community Reinvestment Act, which put added pressure on banks to lend in low-income neighborhoods (Housing crisis). One could argue the financial burdens we have been struggling with for the last 12+ years was the brain child of Bill Clintons policies and brought to fruition throughout the Bush and Obama presidencies.
Hillary wants Bill to fix the economy for her (because that's what he's good at, her words). I don't want Bill to fix a ****ing thing. I'll take my chances with the successful billionaire businessman this time.
:oldlol:
:oldlol:
:oldlol:
:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:
Akrazotile
06-07-2016, 10:59 PM
Jesus. :facepalm
Did you hibernate through the Great Recession? You do realize that all signs point to Obama saving the country from another Depression, don't you?
Look at all the major World economies right now. Point to the ones that have thrived since the meltdown of '07/'08. Europe only returned to '08 economic levels a few months ago (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/30/business/international/eurozone-economy-q1.html?_r=0).
http://i63.tinypic.com/144cg4.jpg
But Obama and Merkel destroyed their countries. Liberals. :mad:
Bro, you pointed to Clinton and said "Look at the economic numbers."
I pointed to Barry and did the same, and suddenly you wanted context.
But with Clinton you dont want context, just the numbers and all the credit going to him?
Not a very consistent debate effort :(
Who cares. Should we evaluate Trump's wardrobe as well? I'm guessing he has a walk-in closet worth a half million in suits alone.
Lol so do you believe she believes in equality for all when she's wearing a $12,000 jacket?
Yes or no?
Akrazotile
06-07-2016, 11:05 PM
http://static1.squarespace.com/static/537e0722e4b0c3338dfc5521/t/53dd4a9ae4b01c361c9810b4/1407011496490/question-31842991.jpeg
He's not 'trading' with Mexico. He's using cheap foreign labor to make his tacky clothing instead of opening factories here in the good ole U.S. of A.
:wtf:
He gives them money and they give him a product.
Where am I right now?
Is this life....?
Damm that Asian privilege.
As for the OP, I think there are better things to criticize Hilary on. If you criticize her on that then how do you defend Trump the self proclaimed Billionaire that is championing the rights of lower class Americans.
I dont care that he's rich. I don't preach socialism, nor do I care some people make more than others.
Meanwhile, Hillary will tell you she does while wearing a jacket worth more than their cars, and people believe it.
The best irony is, this sign and this jacket in the same picture.
http://16004-presscdn-0-50.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/Hillary-Armani-575x479.jpg
Fighting for us, while wearing a $12,000 jacket you can't afford, being paid millions of dollars for a speech you can't attend, surrounded by guys with guns you aren't allowed to have.
Akrazotile
06-07-2016, 11:08 PM
He's not 'trading' with Mexico. He's using cheap foreign labor to make his tacky clothing instead of opening factories here in the good ole U.S. of A.
But he's gonna bring jobs back. The greatest jobs President you've ever seen. :lol
This is just flat out BAD understanding of economics. Seriously.
You might have been better off going to Trump University. Because it's honestly sounding like you got your education from Sanders Community College.
http://thefederalistpapers.integratedmarket.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/meme12.jpg
DonDadda59
06-07-2016, 11:12 PM
Bro, you pointed to Clinton and said "Look at the economic numbers."
I pointed to Barry and did the same, and suddenly you wanted context.
But with Clinton you dont want context, just the numbers and all the credit going to him?
Not a very consistent debate effort :(
The context is- Bush I led the country through a recession where the deficit was 5% of the GDP and unemployment was 7.5% in '92. By 2000, under Clinton's stewardship, the country experienced its greatest period of growth on record.
Bush II led the country through 2 recessions, besting daddy by overseeing the worst International financial calamity since the Great Depression (and has had longer term impact on the Global Economy than the Depression, mind you). And Obama's term has seen the longest streak of private sector job creation on record, a deficit that was reduced by 2/3, and made the U.S. a strong, resilient economy while other World powers melted down financially.
That's the context- Dems having to clean up the messes the GOP Presidents leave in their wake.
But I'm sure trickle down economics on steroids will work this time. :yaohappy:
DonDadda59
06-07-2016, 11:13 PM
:wtf:
He gives them money and they give him a product.
Where am I right now?
Is this life....?
Do you not know the difference between manufacturing and trade? :biggums:
~primetime~
06-07-2016, 11:16 PM
I dont care that he's rich. I don't preach socialism, nor do I care some people make more than others.
Meanwhile, Hillary will tell you she does while wearing a jacket worth more than their cars, and people believe it.
The best irony is, this sign and this jacket in the same picture.
http://16004-presscdn-0-50.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/Hillary-Armani-575x479.jpg
Fighting for us, while wearing a $12,000 jacket you can't afford, being paid millions of dollars for a speech you can't attend, surrounded by guys with guns you aren't allowed to have.
Lettuce b reality, her clothing says jack shit about her beliefs, she didn't even pick it out, Michele Obamas people did. She's running for president of the United States FFS, it's understood that she's an outlier, her entire campagne costs millions, makes that clothing look like pennies.
What would you like her to wear? Jorts and a tshirt?
The fact that you take this seriously says a lot about YOU.
Akrazotile
06-07-2016, 11:17 PM
Do you not know the difference between manufacturing and trade? :biggums:
Uh, I think so.
You manufacture something first. Then you trade it.
3,000 years ago you'd trade one product for some other product another person made. Lately we've been typically trading goods for money.
Last I checked, anyway.
DonDadda59
06-07-2016, 11:18 PM
Uh, I think so.
You manufacture something first. Then you trade it.
3,000 years ago you'd trade for some other product another person made. Lately we've been typically trading goods for money.
Last I checked, anyway.
And you're under the impression that the Donald is 'trading' with China and Mexico for his clothing?
What exactly is he 'trading'?
~primetime~
06-07-2016, 11:19 PM
The sad thing is that some voters actually take stupid ass shit like this seriously when deciding who is going to run this country.
"Well she's wearing Armani dat bitch...fck dat" :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
Lettuce b reality, her clothing says jack shit about her beliefs, she didn't even pick it out, Michele Obamas people did. She's running for president of the United States FFS, it's understood that she's an outlier, her entire campagne costs millions, makes that clothing look like pennies.
What would you like her to wear? Jorts and a tshirt?
The fact that you take this seriously says a lot about YOU.
How about a $300 burlap sack?
May make more sense when you're telling everyone that you and they are one and the same, don't you think?
Akrazotile
06-07-2016, 11:21 PM
And you're under the impression that the Donald is 'trading' with China and Mexico for his clothing?
What exactly is he 'trading'?
His...money?
For instance if you stay at the fabulous, world class Trump Tower hotel and casino, you're trading Trump your money for his accommodations. You traded your acting skills for someone elses money to get those funds. Trump then trades his money he got from you to a factory in Mexico for the merchandise they make, and the workers get paid with Trump's money and he gets the hats they made which you then buy from the gift shop at the fabulous, world class Trump Tower hotel and casino.
Trade.
imdaman99
06-07-2016, 11:21 PM
Thanks for the gossip, TMZ
The sad thing is that some voters actually take stupid ass shit like this seriously when deciding who is going to run this country.
"Well she's wearing Armani dat bitch...fck dat" :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
So you think it makes sense, then, that she wants us to be equal despite wearing a $12,000 sack?
Would you have noticed if it were $120 instead?
Akrazotile
06-07-2016, 11:23 PM
The sad thing is that some voters actually take stupid ass shit like this seriously when deciding who is going to run this country.
"Well she's wearing Armani dat bitch...fck dat" :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
Allow myself to quote... err, myself.
The point isnt that she's wearing it and can afford to do so.
The point is that she's wearing it while giving a speech about the ills of income inequality and pointing the finger at others who 'have too much.' She's a hypocritical, pandering opportunist.
It's simple. She's extremely disingenuous. The left is making fun of The Donald for not being a real candidate, but his supporters are basically just lodging a protest vote against the rest of the candidates.
Clinton's supporters are actually serious. They seem to think she actually means anything she says, and cares about poor people :lol
It's scary how protective they are of her, tbh.
DonDadda59
06-07-2016, 11:27 PM
His...money?
For instance if you stay at the fabulous, world class Trump Tower hotel and casino, you're trading Trump your money for his accommodations. You traded your acting skills for someone elses money to get those funds. Trump then trades his money he got from you to a factory in Mexico for the merchandise they make, and the workers get paid with Trump's money and he gets the hats they made which you then buy from the gift shop at the fabulous, world class Trump Tower hotel and casino.
Trade.
So you don't know what trade is. Thank you for clearing that up. :cheers:
The Donald is using cheap Mexican and Chinese labor to produce his goods when, as a man worth IN EXCESS OF 10 BILLION DOLLARS (:lol ) he could easily open a factory in the U.S ... But he's got the average American's interests at heart. He's gonna bring jobs back. YUUUUUUGE.
Every.
Single.
Minute.
One is born.
Akrazotile
06-07-2016, 11:32 PM
So you don't know what trade is. Thank you for clearing that up.
The Donald is using cheap Mexican and Chinese labor to produce his goods when, as a man worth IN EXCESS OF 10 BILLION DOLLARS (:lol ) he could easily open a factory in the U.S ... But he's got the average American's interests at heart. He's gonna bring jobs back. YUUUUUUGE.
Every.
Single.
Minute.
One is born.
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Listen, here (https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?p=youtube+wealth+of+nations+audio&ei=UTF-8&hspart=*******&hsimp=yhs-001)'s an audio reading of Adam Smith's landmark book on economics, The Wealth of Nations. Give it a listen.
Or, if you are a visual learner, perhaps this will help give you a better understanding of what we are trying to do here:
http://s32.postimg.org/s12p8v3yd/MAGAhat.jpg
:djparty :djparty :djparty
nathanjizzle
06-07-2016, 11:36 PM
His...money?
For instance if you stay at the fabulous, world class Trump Tower hotel and casino, you're trading Trump your money for his accommodations. You traded your acting skills for someone elses money to get those funds. Trump then trades his money he got from you to a factory in Mexico for the merchandise they make, and the workers get paid with Trump's money and he gets the hats they made which you then buy from the gift shop at the fabulous, world class Trump Tower hotel and casino.
Trade.
the only trade that is happening is the one where hes trading american jobs for mexican and chinese jobs for the benefit of lower cost of manufacturing. Theres no defending it, only an idiot would try to, just accept it.
Akrazotile
06-07-2016, 11:39 PM
the only trade that is happening is the one where hes trading american jobs for mexican and chinese jobs for cheaper priced products he can sell back to americans. Theres no defending it, only an idiot would try to, just accept it.
jizzle on his suma *** laude grind from the Sanders Community College of Economics :applause:
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oh the horror
06-07-2016, 11:43 PM
That is one ugly 12,000 dollar jacket. Wow.
Akrazotile
06-07-2016, 11:43 PM
the only trade that is happening is the one where hes trading american jobs for mexican and chinese jobs for the benefit of lower cost of manufacturing. Theres no defending it, only an idiot would try to, just accept it.
We export finance, technology, entertainment and energy etc in exchange for manufactured goods.
But you'd rather work in a sweat shop instead, making socks and pencils and little plastic action figures?
:roll:
Suma *** Laude from the Sanders CC of Economics :cheers:
nathanjizzle
06-07-2016, 11:45 PM
jizzle on his suma *** laude grind from the Sanders Community College of Economics :applause:
https://alittletourinyellow.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/00000sanders.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-vSpN_AJeGLU/Vjd18Y238tI/AAAAAAAC9po/nwpAWljXQqI/s1600/1.jpg
i just got commissioned for a $29,000 job that will take me 1 month to complete. you sold about 4 bumper stickers that profited you 8 dollars over 6 months. i think i know more about economics and business than you.
Akrazotile
06-07-2016, 11:46 PM
i just got commissioned for a $29,000 job that will take me 1 month to complete. you sold about 4 bumper stickers that profited you 8 dollars over 6 months. i think i know more about economics and business than you.
:roll:
nathanjizzle
06-07-2016, 11:54 PM
We export finance, technology, entertainment and energy etc in exchange for manufactured goods.
:facepalm , no dude. your idea that america should only export high end resources and leave manufacturing of common goods to places like china and mexico are the reasons why america has been crippled in the manufacturing industry and is the reason why manufacturing jobs are no longer there. you do understand that thousands of small businesses in america are responsible for the manufacturing of common goods and they are being put out of business because of outsourcing to china and mexico? right?
Akrazotile
06-08-2016, 12:03 AM
:facepalm , no dude. your idea that america should only export high end resources and leave manufacturing of common goods to places like china and mexico are the reasons why america has been crippled in the manufacturing sector and is the reason why manufacturing jobs are no longer there. you do understand that thousands of small businesses in america are responsible for the manufacturing of common goods and they are being put out of business because of outsourcing to china and mexico? right?
First of all, I am not necessarily against protecting SOME specifically designated industries with tariffs (although not bail outs - if they **** up, that's their issue.)
But for the most part, it's unnecessary. The economy is changing and it doesn't make sense for us to manufacture everything we use. There's no good reason for it except fallaciously chasing some dumb ideological "we'll all be teh equal sum day!!!" fantasy.
If you're so against trade, show us your clothing labels. Show us what kinda computer you got. Are YOU paying extra to get everything you possible can made here in America?
No, you're not, because you want things more affordable. YOU don't work in a factory, and YOU want to stretch whatever money you do get from welfare or gay4pay exploits as far as you can.
If you're not willing to pay extra for everything, why should we bring these jobs back? Oh, right. The liberal mantra:
"Everyone else has to, but not me"
Akrazotile
06-08-2016, 12:04 AM
:facepalm , no dude. your idea that america should only export high end resources and leave manufacturing of common goods to places like china and mexico are the reasons why america has been crippled in the manufacturing industry and is the reason why manufacturing jobs are no longer there. you do understand that thousands of small businesses in america are responsible for the manufacturing of common goods and they are being put out of business because of outsourcing to china and mexico? right?
Also, this was a genius sentence. :lol
Who's doing the Cap'n Obvious gimmick? Can we get him in here for this one?
Akrazotile
06-08-2016, 12:08 AM
DonDadda's presence in the thread:
http://s32.postimg.org/ohx2mu8jp/disappear_in_time_by_nazkam.jpg
:lol
There's no defending it.
Either you believe her line and you're an idiot because she's rocking a sack that you'll never be able to afford...
Or she's full of shit.
Not really too many good options so well just bring up Bush again lol
ROCSteady
06-08-2016, 06:55 AM
I saw Hillary one time at Ross with a thick stack in her cart
One joint had shoulder pads bigger than Ken Norton Jr. in his prime
9erempiree
06-08-2016, 06:56 AM
[QUOTE=DonDadda59]Last time the Clintons were in the Oval Office, welfare was greatly reduced and African-American families saw their incomes/wealth rise by 1/3. The Country as a whole saw it's greatest period of economic growth on record.
[INDENT]Yet over the next eight years, President Clinton presided over one of the most impressive economic turnarounds in modern history. By the end of his term, 22.7 million new jobs had been created, unemployment dropped to a 30-year low, and gross domestic product grew by 35 percent overall through the longest period of sustained growth in U.S. history.
What
Nick Young
06-08-2016, 07:18 AM
:lol
Of course its going to say Made in China.
You posted a Chinese counterfeit dumb dumb.
It's like saying why is that Rolex made in China.:rolleyes:
This dude dondadda just wrote a 5,000 word dissertation about a counterfeit baseball cap. The meltdown continues
#theshookening
poido123
06-08-2016, 08:08 AM
There's no defending it.
Either you believe her line and you're an idiot because she's rocking a sack that you'll never be able to afford...
Or she's full of shit.
Not really too many good options so well just bring up Bush again lol
Pretty much
:roll:
Long Duck Dong
06-08-2016, 08:10 AM
[QUOTE=DonDadda59]Last time the Clintons were in the Oval Office, welfare was greatly reduced and African-American families saw their incomes/wealth rise by 1/3. The Country as a whole saw it's greatest period of economic growth on record.
[INDENT]Yet over the next eight years, President Clinton presided over one of the most impressive economic turnarounds in modern history. By the end of his term, 22.7 million new jobs had been created, unemployment dropped to a 30-year low, and gross domestic product grew by 35 percent overall through the longest period of sustained growth in U.S. history.
What
Long Duck Dong
06-08-2016, 08:31 AM
You know what's more funny, or sad is that every time a Clinton is running for election, whether it be Bill or Hillary, Chinese businessmen with close ties to the Clintons are busted bringing in suitcases of hard cash into the country during election time. The Chinese thrive on corruption, so naturally they are drawn to the Clintons.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/fbi-arrests-chinese-millionaire-tied-clinton-scandal/story?id=33990683
Dresta
06-08-2016, 08:45 AM
[QUOTE=DonDadda59]Last time the Clintons were in the Oval Office, welfare was greatly reduced and African-American families saw their incomes/wealth rise by 1/3. The Country as a whole saw it's greatest period of economic growth on record.
[INDENT]Yet over the next eight years, President Clinton presided over one of the most impressive economic turnarounds in modern history. By the end of his term, 22.7 million new jobs had been created, unemployment dropped to a 30-year low, and gross domestic product grew by 35 percent overall through the longest period of sustained growth in U.S. history.
What
Dresta
06-08-2016, 09:05 AM
The context is: Republicans=bad guys, Democrats= good guys
Fixed it for you because that's all you're basically saying. You provided no context aside from basically saying that, and showing a clear bias for those with "D" in front of their name over those with "R". Essentially, little more than a loud-mouthed Parrot.
And if the last 35 or so years have shown us anything, it's that it doesn't much matter who is President, as the debt will keep growing regardless, because politicians don't want to undergo the serious reform this near bankrupt country needs to undergo, and the taxpayers don't want to pay for it. Everyone would rather bury their heads in the sand and pretend/hope everything will turn out ok.
Good luck with that.
Fixed it for you because that's all you're basically saying. You provided no context aside from basically saying that, and showing a clear bias for those with "D" in front of their name over those with "R". Essentially, little more than a loud-mouthed Parrot.
And if the last 35 or so years have shown us anything, it's that it doesn't much matter who is President, as the debt will keep growing regardless, because politicians don't want to undergo the serious reform this near bankrupt country needs to undergo, and the taxpayers don't want to pay for it. Everyone would rather bury their heads in the sand and pretend/hope everything will turn out ok.
Good luck with that.
Because by making the tough choices (like cutting back our outrageous spending), you get voted out of office because too many dumbasses vote.
Dresta
06-08-2016, 09:24 AM
Lettuce b reality, her clothing says jack shit about her beliefs, she didn't even pick it out, Michele Obamas people did. She's running for president of the United States FFS, it's understood that she's an outlier, her entire campagne costs millions, makes that clothing look like pennies.
What would you like her to wear? Jorts and a tshirt?
The fact that you take this seriously says a lot about YOU.
No, it says a lot about her "beliefs" (she doesn't have any) and hypocrisy. You can't see any middle ground between wearing something lavishly expensive and wearing a t-shirt? Seriously?
If you can't see any relation between preaching about inequality while wearing something that is a symbol of vast inequality, then you must be doing some serious mental gymnastics in that head of yours, because it's quite obviously hypocritical. But by all means, keep up the endless train of excuses. It's funny to read, because you actually seem to believe them.
For as long as there are records of human existence, it has been known that one of the primary pleasures of riches is the ostentatious display of riches (a term attributed to Adam Smith, but really much older); what do you think this is exactly? It's basically like the pre-revolutionary French aristocracy traipsing around France in luxurious carriages, lecturing the poor people, telling them to eat cake, and so forth. It's despicable.
~primetime~
06-08-2016, 11:10 AM
No, it says a lot about her "beliefs" (she doesn't have any) and hypocrisy. You can't see any middle ground between wearing something lavishly expensive and wearing a t-shirt? Seriously?
If you can't see any relation between preaching about inequality while wearing something that is a symbol of vast inequality, then you must be doing some serious mental gymnastics in that head of yours, because it's quite obviously hypocritical. But by all means, keep up the endless train of excuses. It's funny to read, because you actually seem to believe them.
For as long as there are records of human existence, it has been known that one of the primary pleasures of riches is the ostentatious display of riches (a term attributed to Adam Smith, but really much older); what do you think this is exactly? It's basically like the pre-revolutionary French aristocracy traipsing around France in luxurious carriages, lecturing the poor people, telling them to eat cake, and so forth. It's despicable.
She doesn't pick out her clothes Dresta...and inequality =/= everyone making equal pay, that's called communism.
Trump is a fcking billionaire and he -SHOULD- be able to preach about inequality without being hypocritical.
Inequality is about everyone being treated equally and fairly, it doesn't mean someone can't own expensive clothing ffs
this is REACHING hard...it's okay though because I don't think anyone gives a shit about this outside on this thread, it's a non-issue as it should be.
DonDadda59
06-08-2016, 11:12 AM
DonDadda's presence in the thread:
http://s32.postimg.org/ohx2mu8jp/disappear_in_time_by_nazkam.jpg
:lol
This fool spent a good 2 pages arguing that the Donald using cheap Mexican and Chinese labor to manufacture his clothing is him 'trading' with those countries.
Kill yourself. :yaohappy:
Wait a minute, the Clinton welfare cuts were brutal to specific groups of people--is Don now a proponent of heavy cuts to welfare entitlements now, of making life more difficult for single mothers, and so forth? Somewhat contradicts your constant propping up of Barry O; you support one guy who savagely cut entitlements, and another who props up failed and bankrupt entitlement programs. Top logic. I guess they both have the letter "D" in front of their names doe?
I think welfare and other social safety programs should not be lifelong endeavors. The United States saw record economic growth, record job creation, record wage growth, record low poverty levels under Clinton. In that climate, reform makes sense.
Oh, btw, the US Government had a debt of something like $30 million by the end of the Pierce administration; are you seriously suggesting they were "on track" to get the debt lower than that? Utter rubbish.
You people can't really be this dense....
nathanjizzle
06-08-2016, 11:12 AM
No, it says a lot about her "beliefs" (she doesn't have any) and hypocrisy. You can't see any middle ground between wearing something lavishly expensive and wearing a t-shirt? Seriously?
any president of the united states preaching income inequality is hypocrisy whether they wear a nice suit or not. because you know, they are the president of the united states. :roll: they fly in a private jet plane, they have a security team that protects them 24/7, they have personal chefs to make them food, maids to clean up after them. they make half a million a year by default, they live in the white house. But what irks you is if they are wearing an expensive suit or not? :facepalm should we pretend for the moment that hillary while wearing modest clothes while preaching income inequality is poor as we are just so that its not hypocritical? its not real. you are offended by something superficial because you are a superficial thinker.
any president of the united states preaching income inequality is hypocrisy whether they wear a nice suit or not. because you know, they are the president of the united states. :roll: they fly in a private jet plane, they have a security team that protects them 24/7, they have personal chefs to make them food, maids to clean up after them. they make half a million a year by default, they live in the white house. But what irks you is if they are wearing an expensive suit or not? :facepalm should we pretend for the moment that hillary while wearing modest clothes while preaching income inequality is poor as we are just so that its not hypocritical? its not real. you are offended by something superficial because you are a superficial thinker.
http://www.refinery29.com/2016/04/108186/presidential-candidates-economic-inequality-2016
Trump doesn't claim to be a regular guy. Nor does he address income inequality all that often. All he does is mention his goal of keeping more money in the pockets of the middle class.
Where He Stands: Donald Trump hasn't spoken much about income inequality in particular, but his comprehensive tax reform plan does include tax relief for low-income Americans. By the Trump tax plan, single adults who earn less than $25,000 a year, or married adults who jointly earn less than $50,000 a year, won't owe income taxes. Trump's campaign site claims that his tax plan includes "reducing or eliminating most deductions and loopholes available to the very rich," but there's not much detail about how, exactly, he would do that.
In His Words: "In order to achieve the American dream, let people keep more money in their pockets and increase after-tax wages."
On the other hand, Clinton keeps telling us she's one of us...
Where She Stands: Clinton has positioned herself as a champion of the middle class throughout her campaign. She's proposed increasing wages for the middle class as well as increasing tax rates for the wealthy. Clinton also supports raising the federal minimum wage to $12 from $7.25.
In Her Words: "I believe we have to build a growth-and-fairness economy," Clinton said in July. "You can't have one without the other."
~primetime~
06-08-2016, 11:29 AM
any president of the united states preaching income inequality is hypocrisy whether they wear a nice suit or not. because you know, they are the president of the united states. :roll: they fly in a private jet plane, they have a security team that protects them 24/7, they have personal chefs to make them food, maids to clean up after them. they make half a million a year by default, they live in the white house. But what irks you is if they are wearing an expensive suit or not? :facepalm should we pretend for the moment that hillary while wearing modest clothes while preaching income inequality is poor as we are just so that its not hypocritical? its not real. you are offended by something superficial because you are a superficial thinker.
exactly
NumberSix
06-08-2016, 11:33 AM
Anytime I see Hillary talk to a crowd, all a can hear is "you people are so stupid. All I have to do is stand hear a rattle off some cliches and pandering statements to trick all of you fools."
~primetime~
06-08-2016, 11:38 AM
Anytime I see Hillary talk to a crowd, all a can hear is "you people are so stupid. All I have to do is stand hear a rattle off some cliches and pandering statements to trick all of you fools."
you mean like "make America great again"?
DonDadda59
06-08-2016, 11:40 AM
you mean like "make America great again"?
"I love the poorly educated."
^The official school motto of Trump University.
"I love the poorly educated."
^The official school motto of Trump University.
Educated =/= Intelligent
[QUOTE] Moreover, if anything, the problem has worsened over time despite the fact that the formal levels of educational attainment have risen. We have more schooling than ever, but are, relatively speaking, clueless about the most basic knowledge needed to communicate and make decisions in a complex market economy. We are doing less with more
Facepalm
06-08-2016, 11:50 AM
http://www.refinery29.com/2016/04/108186/presidential-candidates-economic-inequality-2016
Trump doesn't claim to be a regular guy. Nor does he address income inequality all that often. All he does is mention his goal of keeping more money in the pockets of the middle class.
You honestly believe trump gives a damn about the middle class...
https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--IXMqwh6_--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/lidimofkg9ughrsdqiqk.gif
~primetime~
06-08-2016, 12:12 PM
Educated =/= Intelligent
Are you one of those people who still believe having a college degree makes you smart? :lol
uhh...a degree can make you smart-er...yes
:facepalm
trumptards...against education :facepalm
DeuceWallaces
06-08-2016, 12:15 PM
uhh...a degree can make you smart-er...yes
:facepalm
trumptards...against education :facepalm
He's just really insecure about his education level and spends half his time on the internet trying to justify not getting a college education. I mean it's his choice, but there's no need to try and convince everyone else as long as you believe it.
ROCSteady
06-08-2016, 12:17 PM
You honestly believe trump gives a damn about the middle class...
https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--IXMqwh6_--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/lidimofkg9ughrsdqiqk.gif
That a butthole?
DeuceWallaces
06-08-2016, 12:17 PM
any president of the united states preaching income inequality is hypocrisy whether they wear a nice suit or not. because you know, they are the president of the united states. :roll: they fly in a private jet plane, they have a security team that protects them 24/7, they have personal chefs to make them food, maids to clean up after them. they make half a million a year by default, they live in the white house. But what irks you is if they are wearing an expensive suit or not? :facepalm should we pretend for the moment that hillary while wearing modest clothes while preaching income inequality is poor as we are just so that its not hypocritical? its not real. you are offended by something superficial because you are a superficial thinker.
They would go nuts and call her a fraud if she came out wearing J.Jill or some shit. :oldlol:
They're just idiots. That's all.
uhh...a degree can make you smart-er...yes
:facepalm
trumptards...against education :facepalm
I agree ... it CAN.
Does it always?
Would you rather hire a plumber with 4 years of plumbing experience or a plumber who just graduated with zero work experience?
Keep trying to throw out your strawman arguments though, it really makes discussion on this board enjoyable, and makes you look like a child.
Jameerthefear
06-08-2016, 12:23 PM
He's just really insecure about his education level and spends half his time on the internet trying to justify not getting a college education. I mean it's his choice, but there's no need to try and convince everyone else as long as you believe it.
yeah it's kinda sad :lol
like no one even really cares
~primetime~
06-08-2016, 12:27 PM
I agree ... it CAN.
Does it always?
Would you rather hire a plumber with 4 years of plumbing experience or a plumber who just graduated with zero work experience?
Keep trying to throw out your strawman arguments though, it really makes discussion on this board enjoyable, and makes you look like a child.
strawman arguments? I was replying to YOUR question. People don't get degrees to become plumbers...would you rather hire a lawyer with a law degree or some jack ass off the street who just wants to be a lawyer?
Akrazotile
06-08-2016, 12:43 PM
strawman arguments? I was replying to YOUR question. People don't get degrees to become plumbers...would you rather hire a lawyer with a law degree or some jack ass off the street who just wants to be a lawyer?
PT, the degree might certify you to practice law, but it doesnt make you 'smarter.' It also doesnt necessarily make you a better potential lawyer than someone who studied the same material on their own. In fact, look it up - there are PLENTY of people whove created phony law degrees and actually became very successful lawyers, and only got screwed once they were found out.
Moreover, jobs like lawyer and doctor are some of the comparatively very few jobs that require legal certification to be performed, and in those cases that is reasonable. Most jobs do not require such certification, or if they do, certification does not require 4+ years of schooling. So why are we wasting kids' prime productivity years putting them in debt? Do you really think someone needs to spend 4 years earning a 'marketing' degree to know how to write catchy slogans? No. MOST jobs require intuition and on-the-job experience to achieve success.
But obviously some people just dont see things this way, I guess. Difference of opinion, but to someone very logic-oriented it's pretty baffling tbh. It's an incredibly wasteful system, built upon another wacky liberal ideal, namely that if we send everyone to college, everyone will grow up to have the same income.
strawman arguments? I was replying to YOUR question. People don't get degrees to become plumbers...would you rather hire a lawyer with a law degree or some jack ass off the street who just wants to be a lawyer?
Yes...
trumptards...against education :facepalm
Do you need me to explain why?
As per your question, that's exactly why what you wrote (what I quoted) above is ignorant and makes you look like a child. I never said that, never even implied it.
First off, I used a plumber because that's a job you are able to start at 18. Secondly, you again tried to change the bounds of the argument:
or some jack ass off the street who just wants to be a lawyer?
because I never said someone who WANTS to be a plumber, I said a plumber with four years of experience.
WTF is wrong with you? Can you not just have a discussion without trying to 'win' by turning it into something it's not? Is that so hard?
Of course college education is important when it comes to professional degrees. Doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc... A degree absolutely makes you better at your job.
But I never said it didn't (again).
I said being college educated doesn't automatically make you intelligent. Now, do you care to refute that statement or are you going to try and throw out another stupid argument?
Akrazotile
06-08-2016, 12:53 PM
He's just really insecure about his education level and spends half his time on the internet trying to justify not getting a college education. I mean it's his choice, but there's no need to try and convince everyone else as long as you believe it.
Youre literally the only person (as usual) in the thread who hasnt said anything about the topic.
You have nothing to say. Youre chiming in with the usual "Dumbass. Stupid. This guy's a moron" because youre desperate to be seen discussing things with the knowledgable people but you have no knowledge to offer.
You are the perpetual try-hard. Youre a poser. Do you think every person here doesnt see this? See, guys like Lamar Doom are at least REAL hipsters. Which isnt a good thing, but it's a step above you. Youre always trying to tag along with the hipster trends, but always a step behind and extremely forced. Youre the kid who's not in the group but following them around trying to get an eager, cringeworthy word in tho theyre ignoring you anyway. Youre a completely unoriginal weenie. It took you 36 years to get laid. You have zero social appeal. Enough with you already. It's bad enough we have to go back and try to Make America Great AGAIN bc faaggots like you spend so much time bitterly trying to ruin it. But we dont wanna socialize with you. Murk yourself, deuce jenner.
~primetime~
06-08-2016, 12:56 PM
Yes it does make you 'smarter'...learning makes you smarter - more intelligent.
The average American is 'smarter' than the average African because they are less educated.
I mean, if you're making the argument that we would be better off with LESS education, I'll never ever ever agree with that...ever.
Declaring that college costs too much is one thing, and it could cost so much that it isn't worth it. But saying that studying for 4 years while passing classes doesn't actually do anything to you is another.
Akrazotile
06-08-2016, 01:02 PM
Yes it does make you 'smarter'...learning makes you smarter - more intelligent.
The average American is 'smarter' than the average African because they are less educated.
I mean, if you're making the argument that we would be better off with LESS education, I'll never ever ever agree with that...ever.
Declaring that college costs too much is one thing, and it could cost so much that it isn't worth it. But saying that studying for 4 years while passing classes doesn't actually do anything to you is another.
PT, youre making the mistake of thinking people are only able to learn anything by paying tuition and going to a campus.
The same things you learn there, you'll learn on the job. And any extracurriculars you wanna learn about history, science, philosophy, music, horticulture, being handy etc can be learned on one's own as a hobby, as many posters right here do.
You dont have to pay outrageous tuition to learn things. Thats the point bein made here.
~primetime~
06-08-2016, 01:05 PM
PT, youre making the mistake of thinking people are only able to learn anything by paying tuition and going to a campus.
The same things you learn there, you'll learn on the job. And any extracurriculars you wanna learn about history, science, philosophy, music, horticulture, being handy etc can be learned on one's own as a hobby, as many posters right here do.
You dont have to pay outrageous tuition to learn things. Thats the point bein made here.
I agree with you on the tuition part, you -shouldn't- have to pay outrageous tuition anyway...(so does Hill-Dawg btw)
if businesses accepted anyone and everyone to come start a career then perhaps people wouldn't need to learn anything before hand, but that isn't the case, in the real world people have to get an edge on others to get hired.
Akrazotile
06-08-2016, 01:13 PM
I agree with you on the tuition part, you -shouldn't- have to pay outrageous tuition anyway...(so does Hill-Dawg btw)
No, she believes it has to be paid for, and paid very handsomely for. She just thinks it should be paid for by tax payers so that it appears 'free' on her political platform checklist and helps her gets votes. But why should taxpayers pay for this when kids are wasting their time getting these expensive degrees and then not finding good jobs? We need MORE kids doing that? At even higher tuition costs?? It's not sensible. The argument that "well that's the way its done now, so we might as well do even more of it" is, well, shaky to put it mildly.
if businesses accepted anyone and everyone to come start a career then perhaps people wouldn't need to learn anything before hand, but that isn't the case, in the real world people have to get an edge on others to get hired.
Oh, dont you worry, my pretty. My business is comin, and WE GON DO IT. I can judge qualifications as accurately as any HR woman. I know who's competent and who isnt, and I dont need degrees to tell me. We doin it baby. And it's gonna be a lot more than just bumper stickers. Im workin on it breh. Dont you worry. It's comin.
~primetime~
06-08-2016, 01:18 PM
Tax payers have been paying for education for decades...she wants to use tax money from the top 1% to pay for -SOME- of everyone's college tuition.
This would get the entire middle class out of that college tuition hole they are stuck in that is holding everyone down, allowing them to spend money helping the economy a ton. At the same time, people are getting educated.
The only people her plan would hurt is the top 1% and you shouldn't fight for them...they'll be just fine. Fight for everyone else.
Yes it does make you 'smarter'...learning makes you smarter - more intelligent.
Agreed... but you don't 'only' learn in college. I've been in three years and haven't learned a damn thing useful.
The average American is 'smarter' than the average African because they are less educated.
Agreed about the 'average' American. But, there are Americans right now who have more education than I who are dumb as shit.
I mean, if you're making the argument that we would be better off with LESS education, I'll never ever ever agree with that...ever.
That's dumb. I would argue we would be better off with less college, because I am all in favor of more high schoolers going to trade schools.
Declaring that college costs too much is one thing, and it could cost so much that it isn't worth it. But saying that studying for 4 years while passing classes doesn't actually do anything to you is another.
I can name you a lot of people who graduated college who I wouldn't trust to do any of dozens of basic things you should know in life but are never taught in a traditional educational setting.
Like I said, there are more ways to 'learn' than just college. I am teaching myself Spanish right now... I can bet the vast majority of college grads (even ones who took Spanish) know less of the language than I do after a few weeks.
My girlfriend double majored and doesn't know how to change a tire, or file her taxes, or much of anything. She's 'life' dumb. She can tell me a little about what she learned in her classes, but she can't doesn't know a fraction of the things I do.
Now, is she smarter just because she was able to show up to class for four years? Because a piece of paper says she is?
By and large, you are right, more education (as a whole) generally means you are more intelligent. But all I said was that education does not equal intelligence, and I am correct. And you turned it into 'trumptards' (very PC of you) don't want anyone to go to college'. Cause you are a child.
DeuceWallaces
06-08-2016, 01:59 PM
Youre literally the only person (as usual) in the thread who hasnt said anything about the topic.
You have nothing to say. Youre chiming in with the usual "Dumbass. Stupid. This guy's a moron" because youre desperate to be seen discussing things with the knowledgable people but you have no knowledge to offer.
You are the perpetual try-hard. Youre a poser. Do you think every person here doesnt see this? See, guys like Lamar Doom are at least REAL hipsters. Which isnt a good thing, but it's a step above you. Youre always trying to tag along with the hipster trends, but always a step behind and extremely forced. Youre the kid who's not in the group but following them around trying to get an eager, cringeworthy word in tho theyre ignoring you anyway. Youre a completely unoriginal weenie. It took you 36 years to get laid. You have zero social appeal. Enough with you already. It's bad enough we have to go back and try to Make America Great AGAIN bc faaggots like you spend so much time bitterly trying to ruin it. But we dont wanna socialize with you. Murk yourself, deuce jenner.
My last post directly addressed the thread title.
Dumbass.
longtime lurker
06-08-2016, 02:25 PM
College exposes you to different people and perspectives. It also teaches you critical thinking skills which if this board is any indication is severely lacking in America. No wonder Republicans are against anything that promotes education, their base would actually see through their bull shit.
rufuspaul
06-08-2016, 02:30 PM
College exposes you to different people and perspectives. It also teaches you critical thinking skills which if this board is any indication is severely lacking in America. No wonder Republicans are against anything that promotes education, their base would actually see through their bull shit.
:oldlol: I knew plenty of idiots in college, many of whom are now mindless lemmings on the Left and Right. How exactly are Republicans against education?
Akrazotile
06-08-2016, 02:37 PM
College exposes you to different people and perspectives. It also teaches you critical thinking skills which if this board is any indication is severely lacking in America. No wonder Republicans are against anything that promotes education, their base would actually see through their bull shit.
Cringe.
College exposes you to different people and perspectives. It also teaches you critical thinking skills which if this board is any indication is severely lacking in America. No wonder Republicans are against anything that promotes education, their base would actually see through their bull shit.
Haha what the ****?
Since when?
Like that time Trump was chalked on the ground and the college chose to ban chalk? Must be because thir students are so exposed to different people and perspectives. :lol
You know what exposes you to different people and perspectives? Getting a job where you dont get to pick and choose who you work with.
College is an extension of the high school bubble.
Exposes you to different people and perspectives. :lol :lol
NumberSix
06-08-2016, 02:47 PM
College exposes you to different people and perspectives. It also teaches you critical thinking skills which if this board is any indication is severely lacking in America. No wonder Republicans are against anything that promotes education, their base would actually see through their bull shit.
Yes. In college, students are exposed to a variety of pre-approved left wing opinions.
:oldlol: I knew plenty of idiots in college, many of whom are now mindless lemmings on the Left and Right. How exactly are Republicans against education?
They're not, but Prime took one sentence I wrote and tried to turn that into Republicans don't like education and LL simply read what he wrote and kind of regurgitated it back into the thread without using some of those critical thinking skills he was talking about.
Two guys with college degrees work under me right now, because they can't think for themselves. If they have a problem, they're lost. Then my phone rings and I hear 'I know you're busy but...'
They're good at following menial tasks like filling out spreadsheets and what not, but once they gather information, they don't know what to do with it.
longtime lurker
06-08-2016, 02:59 PM
:oldlol: I knew plenty of idiots in college, many of whom are now mindless lemmings on the Left and Right. How exactly are Republicans against education?
Republicans are the group of anti-intellectuals and your anecdotal evidence doesn't do anything to dispute that.
Haha what the ****?
Since when?
Like that time Trump was chalked on the ground and the college chose to ban chalk? Must be because thir students are so exposed to different people and perspectives.
You know what exposes you to different people and perspectives? Getting a job where you dont get to pick and choose who you work with.
College is an extension of the high school bubble.
Exposes you to different people and perspectives.
You can't honestly believe that you'll be exposed to different people staying in a butt**** Kentucky vs going to college with people from a variety of backgrounds.
NumberSix
06-08-2016, 03:06 PM
Republicans are the group of anti-intellectuals and your anecdotal evidence doesn't do anything to dispute that.
You can't honestly believe that you'll be exposed to different people staying in a butt**** Kentucky vs going to college with people from a variety of backgrounds.
There's only so much a 20 year old can learn from a bunch of other 20 year olds. The amount you can learn from the perspectives of people that young and inexperienced is pretty limited. And you're certainly not going to get much diversity of opinion from the professors. You're more likely to have an all out communist among your professors than a normal moderate conservative.
longtime lurker
06-08-2016, 03:07 PM
There's only so much a 20 year old can learn from a bunch of other 20 year olds. The amount you can learn from the perspectives of people that young and inexperienced is pretty limited. And you're certainly not going to get much diversity of opinion from the professors.
Spoken like someone who's never set foot on a college campus :lol
NumberSix
06-08-2016, 03:09 PM
Spoken like someone who's never set foot on a college campus :lol
Not even going to attempt to engage, huh?
DeuceWallaces
06-08-2016, 03:10 PM
There's only so much a 20 year old can learn from a bunch of other 20 year olds. The amount you can learn from the perspectives of people that young and inexperienced is pretty limited. And you're certainly not going to get much diversity of opinion from the professors. You're more likely to have an all out communist among your professors than a normal moderate conservative.
:facepalm
NumberSix
06-08-2016, 03:14 PM
:facepalm
Wrong.
Akrazotile
06-08-2016, 03:18 PM
There's only so much a 20 year old can learn from a bunch of other 20 year olds. The amount you can learn from the perspectives of people that young and inexperienced is pretty limited. And you're certainly not going to get much diversity of opinion from the professors. You're more likely to have an all out communist among your professors than a normal moderate conservative.
The other issue is that kids in college dont learn from each other, so much as copy one another. It's one big parrot fest. Look at all the dumb buzzwords these morons have began bleeting. "Safe space" "microaggressions" "triggering."
You think they all came up with those after much intellectual rumination?? No. A few super try-hards came up with some buzzwords that fit into young people's fascination with 'revolution' and the rest of them were like 'yeah! cool! safe space!!!'
The funny thing is, longtimephakket and deuce jenner are the two biggest proponents of college education in this thread, and they're the two least intellectual posters in it :lol
They're awkward, angsty, beta cucks who couldn't fit in anywhere else, so they cling to the one place where the motto is 'if you don't fit in anywhere else, you can come here'... campus liberal culture. Filled with ugly betas and insecure dweebs, just trying to find a way to feel better about themselves by acting smugly progressive without having any ability to defend their parroted values with reason.
Akrazotile
06-08-2016, 03:39 PM
Moreover if you wanna "meet different kinds of people" you can join a sports team, a local theater group, a book club, volunteer at a YMCA or Boyz n Girls club etc.
These tools in here using "u can see moar diversities!!!!" as an excuse to suggest every 18-22 y/o spend time in turgid lecture halls taking courses in medieval french poetry for $8k per year is just..... Classic :lol
Theyre so desperate to create more free stuff and more fantasies of equality through coercion... These guys have no interest in getting acquainted with reality. Because the reality is theyre on the bottom rung of the male heirarchy, and they just cant cope with it. Theyve gotta try ANYTHING they can to reverse it. :oldlol:
Republicans are the group of anti-intellectuals and your anecdotal evidence doesn't do anything to dispute that.
You can't honestly believe that you'll be exposed to different people staying in a butt**** Kentucky vs going to college with people from a variety of backgrounds.
Well, that wasn't my argument, and wasn't really what we were discussing (until you changed the subject) but...
In my four years after high school, I spent time (as in longer than a month) in SC, NC, MO, TX, CA, FL, and AZ, including a deployment to Afghanistan, and a three month training op in Belize.
So how many people did you meet in your college years? Where did you go? What did you see? Or do? Did you travel outside the country? Did you work with people who don't speak English? Did you teach people any skills? Did you do anything of value other than wake up, smoke a blunt, and then sleep walk to class and play on your phone for two hours?
Fast facts for you... Miami U (where my girlfriend double majored) is 78% white, and 78% between the ages of 18-22.
Now, did I get more exposure to different people and different perspectives in my four years after high school, or did my girlfriend? Think carefully.
longtime lurker
06-08-2016, 03:44 PM
The other issue is that kids in college dont learn from each other, so much as copy one another. It's one big parrot fest. Look at all the dumb buzzwords these morons have began bleeting. "Safe space" "microaggressions" "triggering."
You think they all came up with those after much intellectual rumination?? No. A few super try-hards came up with some buzzwords that fit into young people's fascination with 'revolution' and the rest of them were like 'yeah! cool! safe space!!!'
The funny thing is, longtimephakket and deuce jenner are the two biggest proponents of college education in this thread, and they're the two least intellectual posters in it :lol
They're awkward, angsty, beta cucks who couldn't fit in anywhere else, so they cling to the one place where the motto is 'if you don't fit in anywhere else, you can come here'... campus liberal culture. Filled with ugly betas and insecure dweebs, just trying to find a way to feel better about themselves by acting smugly progressive without having any ability to defend their parroted values with reason.
:lol your rantings are weird and just pathetic. It's like you're arguing against an imaginary character that you've concocted in your simple mind.
Akrazotile
06-08-2016, 03:46 PM
:lol your rantings are weird and just pathetic. It's like you're arguing against an imaginary character that you've concocted in your simple mind.
Show us your pic, boy.
I will PayPal you $20.00 if youre in shape and your hair is its natural color.
Not even going to attempt to engage, huh?
When they've run out of arguments...
The next step is either to pretend like they don't care, or call you a buzzword in self-defense.
If you need any evidence of the pattern, check out the thread I posted on the 4 guys arrested at the Trump rally in CA. Not one acknowledged the OP, but all of them mentioned me. :lol
It's all they've got. There's no such thing as discussion. It's 'my side is right' until their side isn't right, then it's because you're a racist. :lol
longtime lurker
06-08-2016, 03:53 PM
Well, that wasn't my argument, and wasn't really what we were discussing (until you changed the subject) but...
In my four years after high school, I spent time (as in longer than a month) in SC, NC, MO, TX, CA, FL, and AZ, including a deployment to Afghanistan, and a three month training op in Belize.
So how many people did you meet in your college years? Where did you go? What did you see? Or do? Did you travel outside the country? Did you work with people who don't speak English? Did you teach people any skills? Did you do anything of value other than wake up, smoke a blunt, and then sleep walk to class and play on your phone for two hours?
Fast facts for you... Miami U (where my girlfriend double majored) is 78% white, and 78% between the ages of 18-22.
Now, did I get more exposure to different people and different perspectives in my four years after high school, or did my girlfriend? Think carefully.
It's obvious that you didn't learn much from your exposure because you're still a closed minded bigot. Again you're making assumptions because you lack any type of critical thinking skills. Yes I did meet a variety of people from different backgrounds, countries, religions and social classes while I attended college. I also was involved with student clubs and volunteered to with elementary school kids through those student clubs. Not to mention that I learned key skills that helped me in the work force. I don't know what the point of bringing up your girlfriend is. That example is entirely irrelevant to the conversation.
Akrazotile
06-08-2016, 03:54 PM
When they've run out of arguments...
The next step is either to pretend like they don't care, or call you a buzzword in self-defense.
If you need any evidence of the pattern, check out the thread I posted on the 4 guys arrested at the Trump rally in CA. Not one acknowledged the OP, but all of them mentioned me. :lol
It's all they've got. There's no such thing as discussion. It's 'my side is right' until their side isn't right, then it's because you're a racist. :lol
I guess part of our "privilege" is that we can argue for a freedom and merit based society, since we come out winners in such a scenario.
These guys know in a traditional society theyre the meager shmucks, so theyre trying to redefine the whole thing to give themselves more social value.
The problem is life is inherently competitive and no other approach is actually tenable. We just have to set rules for the competition and hope the race to improve betters us all. But at the end of the day... Losers gonna lose. It's never gonna come out equal. And libs know it. And it makes them so :rant :oldlol:
Akrazotile
06-08-2016, 03:56 PM
It's obvious that you didn't learn much from your exposure because you're still a closed minded bigot. Again you're making assumptions because you lack any type of critical thinking skills. Yes I did meet a variety of people from different backgrounds, countries, religions and social classes while I attended college. I also was involved with student clubs and volunteered to with elementary school kids through those student clubs. Not to mention that I learned key skills that helped me in the work force. I don't know what the point of bringing up your girlfriend is. That example is entirely irrelevant to the conversation.
:roll:
This guy is so textbook
rufuspaul
06-08-2016, 03:57 PM
Republicans are the group of anti-intellectuals and your anecdotal evidence doesn't do anything to dispute that.
Evidence? :confusedshrug:
longtime lurker
06-08-2016, 03:57 PM
Show us your pic, boy.
I will PayPal you $20.00 if youre in shape and your hair is its natural color.
I've seen your pic, you are neither in shape or look like anything resembling a functioning human. You project so hard its pretty sad.
Akrazotile
06-08-2016, 04:02 PM
Evidence? :confusedshrug:
Same evidence that blacks are the group of crime and gays are the group of spreading AIDS.
But sssshhhh, only he's allowed to stereotype, nobody else!
It's obvious that you didn't learn much from your exposure because you're still a closed minded bigot. Again you're making assumptions because you lack any type of critical thinking skills. Yes I did meet a variety of people from different backgrounds, countries, religions and social classes while I attended college. I also was involved with student clubs and volunteered to with elementary school kids through those student clubs. Not to mention that I learned key skills that helped me in the work force. I don't know what the point of bringing up your girlfriend is. That example is entirely irrelevant to the conversation.
When they've run out of arguments...
The next step is either to pretend like they don't care, or call you a buzzword in self-defense.
Boom.. Called it. :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:
Predictable as usual.
The point of bringing up my girlfriend is, she went to college, and was surrounded by white people just like her who, shockingly, were the same age as her.
Yeah she was exposed to all different types of perspectives. :lol
How about this?
Grambling State... 91% black. 60% between the ages of 18-22. How many perspectives do you think they're exposed to?
Get real, dude. What you said was complete shit for the vast majority of colleges around the country and you know it. You misspoke, its okay, you can admit it. People make mistakes. Just eat the crow and move on with life instead of continuing to embarrass yourself.
:roll:
This guy is so textbook
You beat me to it. Everyone knew it was coming once he backed himself into a corner.
longtime lurker
06-08-2016, 04:21 PM
Boom.. Called it. :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:
Predictable as usual.
The point of bringing up my girlfriend is, she went to college, and was surrounded by white people just like her who, shockingly, were the same age as her.
Yeah she was exposed to all different types of perspectives. :lol
How about this?
Grambling State... 91% black. 60% between the ages of 18-22. How many perspectives do you think they're exposed to?
Get real, dude. What you said was complete shit for the vast majority of colleges around the country and you know it. You misspoke, its okay, you can admit it. People make mistakes. Just eat the crow and move on with life instead of continuing to embarrass yourself.
Hey dip shit I called you a bigot based on your posts and because you are one. I answered your question with my own experiences. Yeah no shit a college campus is 18-22 genius because that's the age of the majority of college students. And whether or not a campus is 90% black or white doesn't mean that you aren't going to meet people from different perspectives unless you think race is the only factor. Again like I said you demonstrate limited critical thinking, sure college could have helped you with that.
Get real, dude. What you said was complete shit for the vast majority of colleges around the country and you know it. You misspoke, its okay, you can admit it. People make mistakes. Just eat the crow and move on with life instead of continuing to embarrass yourself.
This is why I don't bother arguing. You've never gone to college but you think you're an authority on the subject. You were in the military and I'm willing to bet a large number of people that you spent the majority of your time with are also in the military. Yet you try to claim like you're some big shot with a wealth of exposure to people who aren't like you. The problem with you UK2K is that you believe that you're an authority on subjects you have no experience or knowledge about. Dude for all your talk about boot straps and meritocracy you're a security guard looking to marry into millions :roll:
longtime lurker
06-08-2016, 04:26 PM
Evidence? :confusedshrug:
One party is anti-science, anti-climate change and believes the world is 6000 years old. I'm not going to make a definite statement that liberals are more intelligent than conservatives but you're sticking your head in the sand if you don't believe the right wing is anti intellectualism.
Hey dip shit I called you a bigot based on your posts and because you are one. I answered your question with my own experiences. Yeah no shit a college campus is 18-22 genius because that's the age of the majority of college students. And whether or not a campus is 90% black or white doesn't mean that you aren't going to meet people from different perspectives unless you think race is the only factor. Again like I said you demonstrate limited critical thinking, sure college could have helped you with that.
Triggered? Relax, its just a discussion. As I mentioned, I've been in college now for three years and haven't learned anything (useful).
You learned critical thinking from a textbook while I learned it from facing life or death situations. I'm sure your skills are mighty honed thanks to Pavlov and his dog.
But since you can't answer my question, I'll replace my girlfriend with you... Do you think you were exposed to more perspectives and viewpoints than I was in your four years after college? I'll ask the same question, and you can replace my girlfriend with your own experiences, and this is strictly your opinion:
Now, did I get more exposure to different people and different perspectives in my four years after high school, or did you?
This is why I don't bother arguing. You've never gone to college but you think you're an authority on the subject. You were in the military and I'm willing to bet a large number of people that you spent the majority of your time with are also in the military. Yet you try to claim like you're some big shot with a wealth of exposure to people who aren't like you. The problem with you UK2K is that you believe that you're an authority on subjects you have no experience or knowledge about. Dude for all your talk about boot straps and meritocracy you're a security guard looking to marry into millions :roll:
I guess you missed the part where I am in year three? Is it year four where you hit your enlightenment period? Once you become a senior, your worldview changes?
Hey, and check this out:
If you need any evidence of the pattern, check out the thread I posted on the 4 guys arrested at the Trump rally in CA. Not one acknowledged the OP, but all of them mentioned me.
And what did you just do? Not only did you get my educational attainment wrong, you got my job wrong, and pretty much everything else wrong. See, when you don't discuss (not an argument) the merits of the topic and instead get triggered and try to attack me based on personal traits (that you still get incorrect), it doesn't really help you.
You typed one stupid sentence and instead of addressing it, you lost your ****ing mind.
I have a Filipino mother, a step-mother from Colombia, a family who is dirt poor and a girlfriend who's family is wealthy. I've slept next to Afghans and Belizians and Germans and Scottish and Georgians. I've lived in a dozen different states and been to several different countries. I've slept in dirt, I've
slept in the back of my car, I've slept under a bridge, and I've slept in luxury.
At what point do you think I can consider myself experienced in life? Once I graduate college? Only then will I be knowledgeable?
Akrazotile
06-08-2016, 04:37 PM
One party is anti-science, anti-climate change and believes the world is 6000 years old. I'm not going to make a definite statement that liberals are more intelligent than conservatives but you're sticking your head in the sand if you don't believe the right wing is anti intellectualism.
Elon Musk is a moderate-right libertarian.
Einstein and Bobby Fischer both laughed off the idea of needing supervised school education. So did David Hume. And countless other men who shaped world history. Copernicus was an ordained Domincan.
What do you do, friend? Besides self-loathe and piss your pants about "meanie bigots" on a message board?
We know you wont show a pic. Will you tell us what you do?
Do you have ANYTHING goin for you?
rufuspaul
06-08-2016, 05:03 PM
One party is anti-science, anti-climate change and believes the world is 6000 years old. I'm not going to make a definite statement that liberals are more intelligent than conservatives but you're sticking your head in the sand if you don't believe the right wing is anti intellectualism.
Where in the GOP platform is any of that shit written? I'm a conservative and I'm not anti-science (I have an advanced medical degree for Chrissakes), I believe the climate is definitely changing and I certainly don't think the Earth is 6000 years old. Who brainwashed you to think everyone on the right thinks this way?
longtime lurker
06-08-2016, 05:04 PM
Triggered? Relax, its just a discussion. As I mentioned, I've been in college now for three years and haven't learned anything (useful).
You learned critical thinking from a textbook while I learned it from facing life or death situations. I'm sure your skills are mighty honed thanks to Pavlov and his dog.
But since you can't answer my question, I'll replace my girlfriend with you... Do you think you were exposed to more perspectives and viewpoints than I was in your four years after college? I'll ask the same question, and you can replace my girlfriend with your own experiences, and this is strictly your opinion:
I guess you missed the part where I am in year three? Is it year four where you hit your enlightenment period? Once you become a senior, your worldview changes?
Hey, and check this out:
And what did you just do? Not only did you get my educational attainment wrong, you got my job wrong, and pretty much everything else wrong. See, when you don't discuss (not an argument) the merits of the topic and instead get triggered and try to attack me based on personal traits (that you still get incorrect), it doesn't really help you.
You typed one stupid sentence and instead of addressing it, you lost your ****ing mind.
I have a Filipino mother, a step-mother from Colombia, a family who is dirt poor and a girlfriend who's family is wealthy. I've slept next to Afghans and Belizians and Germans and Scottish and Georgians. I've lived in a dozen different states and been to several different countries. I've slept in dirt, I've
slept in the back of my car, I've slept under a bridge, and I've slept in luxury.
At what point do you think I can consider myself experienced in life? Once I graduate college? Only then will I be knowledgeable?
So because you've learned nothing from college then its the same for everyone else? The problem that you have is that you're using yourself as a point of reference whether or not college is useful. My argument isn't that college is for everyone or that the only way to build intelligence is through college, but you can't dispute that as a whole people who go to college are better off than those that don't. Your worldview hasn't changed because you're closed minded if reality reflects your posting. I don't get triggered I just call you out because 95% of what you post is biased bullshit :lol
I've already answered your question about how college has helped expose me to different people and actually helped me build tangible skills. About we through some non anecdotal evidence that supports the benefits of a college degree:
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2014/06/24/benefits-of-college-still-outweigh-costs-fed-study-says
[QUOTE]The earnings of a college degree
DeuceWallaces
06-08-2016, 05:06 PM
If you've been in college for 3 years and yet to learn something you are a total retard. I mean, words can't even describe how ****ing stupid that is.
longtime lurker
06-08-2016, 05:12 PM
Where in the GOP platform is any of that shit written? I'm a conservative and I'm not anti-science (I have an advanced medical degree for Chrissakes), I believe the climate is definitely changing and I certainly don't think the Earth is 6000 years old. Who brainwashed you to think everyone on the right thinks this way?
I know you have to protect your party image, but just google republicans and science to see the numbers of articles that come up and the majority of them aren't flattering.
rufuspaul
06-08-2016, 05:15 PM
I know you have to protect your party image, but just google republicans and science to see the numbers of articles that come up and the majority of them aren't flattering.
:oldlol: So that's how college kids do research nowadays?
Jameerthefear
06-08-2016, 05:16 PM
Where in the GOP platform is any of that shit written? I'm a conservative and I'm not anti-science (I have an advanced medical degree for Chrissakes), I believe the climate is definitely changing and I certainly don't think the Earth is 6000 years old. Who brainwashed you to think everyone on the right thinks this way?
Well, the candidate representing the GOP believes climate change is a hoax by the Chinese...
rufuspaul
06-08-2016, 05:18 PM
Well, the candidate representing the GOP believes climate change is a hoax by the Chinese...
I'd hate to be the first one to tell you that Donald Trump doesn't speak for all conservatives.
Jameerthefear
06-08-2016, 05:19 PM
I'd hate to be the first one to tell you that Donald Trump doesn't speak for all conservatives.
That's fair. But he's the candidate, so he speaks for a good portion of them...
DeuceWallaces
06-08-2016, 05:21 PM
I'd hate to be the first one to tell you that Donald Trump doesn't speak for all conservatives.
You're right. He speaks for the majority of conservatives.
Lol, Trump and Cruz represent like 75% of the GOP voters.
rufuspaul
06-08-2016, 05:22 PM
Actually Googling "Republicans and Science" brings up this:
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/11/the-republican-party-isnt-really-the-anti-science-party/281219/
Republicans, and members of the traditionally Republican coalition like conservatives and the religious, are criticized for rejecting two main areas of science: evolution and global warming. But even those critiques are overblown. Believing in God is not the same as rejecting science, contrary to an all-too-frequent caricature propagated by the secular community. Members of all faiths have contributed to our collective scientific understanding, and Christians from Gregor Mendel to Francis Collins have been intellectual leaders in their fields. Collins, head of the Human Genome Project and an evangelical Christian, wrote a New York Times bestseller reconciling his faith with his understanding of evolution and genetics.
Numerically speaking, according to Gallup, only a marginally higher percentage of Republicans reject evolution completely than do Democrats. Yes, an embarrassing half of Republicans believe the earth is only 10,000 years old—but so do more than a third of Democrats. And a slightly higher percentage of Democrats believe God was the guiding factor in evolution than Republicans.
On global warming, conservative policy positions often seem to be conflated or confused with rejection of the consensus that the planet has been warming due to human carbon emissions. The climate trend over the last several hundred years is not one anybody credible disputes—despite the impression you might get from GOP presidential primary debates. Of the many Republican members of Congress I know personally, the vast majority do not reject the underlying science of global warming (though, embarrassingly, some still do). Even Senator Jim Inhofe, perhaps the green community’s greatest antagonist in Congress, explicitly endorses environmental regulation.
The catch: Conservatives believe many of the policies put forward to address the problem will lead to unacceptable levels of economic hardship. It's not inherently anti-scientific to oppose cap and trade or carbon taxes. What most Republicans object to are policies that unilaterally make it more expensive in the United States to produce energy, grow food, and transport people and goods but are unlikely to make much long-term difference in the world’s climate, given that other major world economies emit more carbon than the United States or have much faster growth rates of carbon emissions (China, India, Russia, and Brazil all come to mind).
rufuspaul
06-08-2016, 05:24 PM
That's fair. But he's the candidate, so he speaks for a good portion of them...
Actually he speaks for conservatives who are fed up with the GOP and politics in general. To me that's his primary appeal. He also talks out of his ass, so there's that too. :oldlol:
So because you've learned nothing from college then its the same for everyone else? The problem that you have is that you're using yourself as a point of reference whether or not college is useful. My argument isn't that college is for everyone or that the only way to build intelligence is through college, but you can't dispute that as a whole people who go to college are better off than those that don't. Your worldview hasn't changed because you're closed minded if reality reflects your posting. I don't get triggered I just call you out because 95% of what you post is biased bullshit :lol
I've already answered your question about how college has helped expose me to different people and actually helped me build tangible skills. About we through some non anecdotal evidence that supports the benefits of a college degree:
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2014/06/24/benefits-of-college-still-outweigh-costs-fed-study-says
The earnings of a college degree – bachelor’s or associate – have fluctuated over time but have had average returns of about 15 percent over the past 10 years, the report showed. This is in large part because wages for those without a college degree have steadily declined, which boosts the college wage premium while worsening the prospects of the less educated, according to the report.
I agree, people who go to college are statistically more likely to be successful in life (however you want to define succes). I never said that wasn't true. I also never said nobody ever benefits from college, many do.
All I said was graduating college doesn't make you intelligent. I don't know why you are discussing success and wages and all this other stuff... I agree with all of it. That's why I didn't say people with college degrees suck.
The truth is, I beat the odds. At 27, I make more than the average salary in this country. On paper, I've got nothing more than a high school education. You can argue whatever you want about my world beliefs, but those beliefs came about BECAUSE I was exposed to different views. I've seen people who live in poverty... real poverty. I've seen people who lived under tyranny. With my own eyes.
Not once in my life have I ever blamed anyone else for my mistakes. MY mistakes. Maybe if the rest of my generation developed the same attitude as I have, maybe they wouldn't be 28 and unemployed and bitching about student loans and blaming everyone under the sun for their miserable lives.
Remember when you got your first car? You probably trashed it, likely wrecked it. But your parents kept telling you that when you have your own, you'll appreciate it more? That's what it's like to come from a single parent home in one of the poorest places in the country.
Like I said, not once did I say college wasn't good for you. It is, in most instances. It's needed. But that also doesn't define your life, and it damn sure (these days especially) doesn't expose you to anything other than what you already know.
Like that movie Good Will Hunting, knowing things makes you book smart, but you could take one of these college educated kids to places I've been and they would lose their minds. That's why police departments are moving away from requiring college degrees, because the applicants they were receiving had never been exposed to anything you'd see in life.
This is what 'being exposed to different viewpoints and perspectives' means in college these days:
[QUOTE]What happens to a professor who makes national headlines for bashing Republicans? In the case of two Michigan scholars, they keep teaching
Facepalm
06-08-2016, 08:00 PM
?
Do you have ANYTHING goin for you?
I've got plenty going for me unlike you, the failed actor and shoe salesman. How's the new career slinging bumper stickers? Most people have made progress in life throughout their years on ISH, you have not. Here you sit, still trying to act like a pseudo-intellectual, still living in the same shitty apartment, still with delusions of grandeur, but still a loser in life.
You are basically Charlie Zelenoff. Nothing has changed for you since you first logged into ISH a decade ago. That must be depressing as shit. You might as well end yourself now to avoid a lifetime of further disappointment.
Facepalm
06-08-2016, 08:05 PM
Show us your pic, boy.
I will PayPal you $20.00 if youre in shape and your hair is its natural color.
No way in hell you send me $20. That's a week of selling bumper stickers for you.
Hawker
06-08-2016, 08:24 PM
I've got plenty going for me unlike you, the failed actor and shoe salesman. How's the new career slinging bumper stickers? Most people have made progress in life throughout their years on ISH, you have not. Here you sit, still trying to act like a pseudo-intellectual, still living in the same shitty apartment, still with delusions of grandeur, but still a loser in life.
You are basically Charlie Zelenoff. Nothing has changed for you since you first logged into ISH a decade ago. That must be depressing as shit. You might as well end yourself now to avoid a lifetime of further disappointment.
What happened here?
Logged into the wrong username?
COnDEMnED
06-08-2016, 08:42 PM
Speaking of Bumper Stickers, can anyone help me find this one?
https://www.google.com/search?q=Tito+ortiz+clinton+sticker&rlz=1T4GGNI_enUS608US609&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjs9v_B2pnNAhVBOCYKHe2TACAQ_AUICSgC&biw=1684&bih=759&dpr=0.95#imgrc=AghLFdKlOkmg8M%3A
Tito Ortiz with the right mind set.
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