MJ's Finals record

[sportjames23]

Not only is the GOAT 6/6 in the Finals, his games won/loss record is 24-11.

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[bigkingsfan]

Same record as Pippen :banana:

[riseagainst]

Same record as Pippen :banana:

Both are great.

:bowdown:

[Bawkish]

Same record as Pippen :banana:

except for Finals MVP

[livingby3's]

Without Pippen Jordan might have 0 finals appearance

[Bawkish]

Without Pippen Jordan might have 0 finals appearance

and vice versa

[3LiftHeatCurse]

Without Pippen Jordan might have 0 finals appearance

Nope.

Jordan was the best player in the league before Pippen showed up. He was going to win rings when management got him help, Pippen or no Pippen.

[Collie]

MJ played 2 and 1/4 season without Pippen. Including his rookie year.

[Lebron23]

MJ played 2 and 1/4 season without Pippen. Including his rookie year.


And never won a playoffs series without Pippen.

[pauk]

His team was 6/6... cant really say "HE" unless basketball was like Tennis, 1on1... you really think HE would be 6/6 if he got to the Finals all those years he lost earlier in the Finals? Not dissing Jordan, just dissing the "XofX in Finals" stupidity.... its not what makes Jordan the GOAT, he would still have 6 championships & 6 fmvps & 5 MVPs if he lost in the Finals 100 more times... thats still better than anybody else.... thats still being the GOAT, those accolades dont go away when you lose a series...

Hell, with my criteria of ranking players all-time (priority being the players actual basketball ability/TALENT) he could be completely ringless and i would still consider him the GOAT...... because Jordan is the greatest individual actual ball player ive seen compared to anybody else (sorry have not seen Wilt/Russell enough), his basketball ability is the greatest ive seen, ive seen that shit since 1991 (and made sure to see as much as possible of his games before that)... every game.... and seen any player that came during or after his tenure... he is the most complete player ive ever seen on both ends, how many rings he would have would not change that....... This is a team game, he could have easily had a supporting cast full of scrubs his entire career ending up completely ringless, does that change the fact of how good of an individual basketball player/talent he was? HELL NO.... why? Because he is the same exact player who would win 6 rings (be "6/6") if he had a better supporting cast.... happily that is how it went down...

[Asukal]

His team was 6/6... cant really say "HE" unless basketball was like Tennis, 1on1... you really think HE would be 6/6 if he got to the Finals all those years he lost earlier in the Finals? Not dissing Jordan, just dissing the "XofX in Finals" stupidity.... its not what makes Jordan the GOAT, he would still have 6 championships & 6 fmvps & 5 MVPs if he lost in the Finals 100 more times... and would still be the GOAT, those accolades dont go away when you lose a series...

Hell, with my criteria of ranking players all-time (priority being the players actual basketball ability/TALENT) he could be completely ringless and i would still consider him the GOAT...... because Jordan is the greatest individual actual ball player ive seen compared to anybody else (sorry have not seen Wilt/Russell enough), his basketball ability is the greatest ive seen, the most complete player ive ever seen on both ends, how many rings he would have would not change that....... This is a team game, he could have easily had a supporting cast full of scrubs his entire career, does that change the fact of how good of an individual basketball player/talent he was? HELL NO....

Are you fvcking autistic bro? :hammerhead:

[pauk]

Are you fvcking autistic bro? :hammerhead:

Did you read the entire post?

If you have not, please do.

If you have, i dont give a damn, i think anybody who measures a players individual basketball ability based on team accomplishments are autistic instead.
Jordan is the finest example of why that makes anybody autistic.... have you seen Jordan just before he won his 1st championship? 87-88-89-90 especially i think he was better than any damn time during his career, he was out of this damn world and still lost... like "God in disguise", all the best players, even Bird (who was spamming rings) knew who the man was, despite losing..... that little change in 89 to 90-91 he won because HIS TEAM got better, not because HE got better...... infact it continued to be the opposite from early 90s and then on, he got worse, his team just better & better & better....

[Lebron23]

Did you read the entire post?

If you have not, please do.

If you have, i dont give a damn, i think anybody who measures a players individual basketball ability based on team accomplishments are autistic instead.


Just ignore them Paul. Cavs needs to win Game 3.

[sportjames23]

And never won a playoffs series without Pippen.


Let's see why:



had journeymen/scrub teammates his first 2-3 seasons
faced off against a damn good 80s Bucks team once and an all time great Celtics team twice
had three different coaches from his rookie year until 1989


Just so happens that the year the Bulls drafted Pippen (and Grant), MJ finally had a stable situation with Doug Collins as coach, and a pretty good young squad with Oakley, Paxson, Pippen and Grant, and then were matched up with another promising, but also inexperienced young team in Cleveland in the first round. This, after MJ had one of the greatest individual seasons in NBA history (MVP, All Star MVP, DPOY, scoring leader, steals leader).

[Asukal]

Did you read the entire post?

If you have not, please do.

If you have, i dont give a damn, i think anybody who measures a players individual basketball ability based on team accomplishments are autistic instead.

All these guys will disagree with you. After all is said and done, the most important thing is to win a ring. Rings are what separates the greatest from the great. All these players are judged by what they accomplish and their roles enroute to their accomplishments. I wouldn't consider Jordan as the GOAT if he didn't win any ring. He is the greatest because he LED(something leflop fails at most of the time) his team to multiple championships stepping up whenever he is needed all these while playing both sides of the court at a very elite level. Now go ahead and make more excuses for why leflop needs more help. :whatever:

[NBAGOAT]

imagine if Pippen had actually won a ring and maybe even FMVP in 2000. That shit would've been repeated 5 times as much as 1-9 or 55 wins.

[pauk]

All these guys will disagree with you. After all is said and done, the most important thing is to win a ring. Rings are what separates the greatest from the great. All these players are judged by what they accomplish and their roles enroute to their accomplishments. I wouldn't consider Jordan as the GOAT if he didn't win any ring. He is the greatest because he LED(something leflop fails at most of the time) his team to multiple championships stepping up whenever he is needed all these while playing both sides of the court at a very elite level. Now go ahead and make more excuses for why leflop needs more help. :whatever:

No, its not... well, maybe for you.... but then you cant contradict yourself right? If you go by your logic strongly, if you TRULY believe what you are saying then you should place Bill Russell at #1 with a ridicilous gap...... i mean a huge huge huuuuuuuuuuuuuuge gap...... and then you will start to include other players in the top 10 who never usually make peoples lists... like say John Havlicek (speaking of the "XofX Finals" stat, check his out)...

Yea, start acting like im saying what im saying because of ***ing Lebron....

[Lebron23]

Let's see why:



had journeymen/scrub teammates his first 2-3 seasons
faced off against a damn good 80s Bucks team once and an all time great Celtics team twice
had three different coaches from his rookie year until 1989


Just so happens that the year the Bulls drafted Pippen (and Grant), MJ finally had a stable situation with Doug Collins as coach, and a pretty good young squad with Oakley, Paxson, Pippen and Grant, and then were matched up with another promising, but also inexperienced young team in Cleveland in the first round. This, after MJ had one of the greatest individual seasons in NBA history (MVP, All Star MVP, DPOY, scoring leader, steals leader).

Ordan also played with Hamilton in 2001-02, and Stackhouse and Hughes in 2003 but he failed to led the Wizards into the playoffs in a Pathetic Eastern Conference.

Don't give me the lame excuse that he was old. Jordan retired twice so his biological basketball age is only 35 yrs.old.

[Prime_Shaq]

No, its not... well, maybe for you.... but then you cant contradict yourself right? If you go by your logic strongly, if you TRULY believe what you are saying then you should place Bill Russell at #1 with a ridicilous gap...... i mean a huge huge huuuuuuuuuuuuuuge gap...... and then you will start to include other players in the top 10 who never usually make peoples lists... like say John Havlicek (speaking of the "XofX Finals" stat, check his out)...

Yea, start acting like im saying what im saying because of ***ing Lebron.... has nothing to do with this....
Bruh do you know whats a comma?

[Asukal]

No, its not... well, maybe for you.... but then you cant contradict yourself right? If you go by your logic strongly, if you TRULY believe what you are saying then you should place Bill Russell at #1 with a ridicilous gap...... i mean a huge huge huuuuuuuuuuuuuuge gap...... and then you will start to include other players in the top 10 who never usually make peoples lists... like say John Havlicek (speaking of the "XofX Finals" stat, check his out)

John Havlicek wasn't the main guy. I have Bill at number 2 only because he played in an era where the NBA was at its early stages and there were less teams. You get to the finals playing only a couple of games in that era. He also played for a team who didn't need him to score. Again, context seems to slip out of that tiny brain of yours but I expected as much. :hammerhead:

[Overdrive]

Did you read the entire post?

If you have not, please do.

If you have, i dont give a damn, i think anybody who measures a players individual basketball ability based on team accomplishments are autistic instead.
Jordan is the finest example of why that makes anybody autistic.... have you seen Jordan just before he won his 1st championship? 87-88-89-90 especially i think he was better than any damn time during his career, he was out of this damn world and still lost... like "God in disguise", all the best players, even Bird (who was spamming rings) knew who the man was, despite losing..... that little change in 89 to 90-91 he won because HIS TEAM got better, not because HE got better...... infact it continued to be the opposite from early 90s and then on, he got worse, his team just better & better & better....

Who's higher on your GOAT list:

Karl Malone, Charles Barkley, Dirk Nowitzki or Kevin Garnett?
Elgin Baylor, Connie Hawkins, Dr J or James Worthy?

etcetc

[Bawkish]

Ordan also played with Hamilton in 2001-02, and Stackhouse and Hughes in 2003 but he failed to led the Wizards into the playoffs in a Pathetic Eastern Conference.

Don't give me the lame excuse that he was old. Jordan retired twice so his biological basketball age is only 35 yrs.old.

:roll:

so you think MJ stopped aging during the retirement gap?

[Lebron23]

:roll:

so you think MJ stopped aging during the retirement gap?


Playing more games make your body decline faster. Just like in Boxing. Floyd is 1 1/2 years older than Pacquiao, but he was the fresher fighter in their fight.