If Kyrie was replaced with someone like Kidd, the Cavs would win the title easily

[Living Being]

Kidd: unselfish, gets others involved, great passer, plays defense
Kyrie: chucker

Cavs need to address this unbalanced lineup.

[KobeLookLike2Pac]

If Curry and Klay couldn't find a way to put up big numbers, the Cavs would win the title easily.





































Oh wait...:milton

[D-Wait]

I said to my basketball buddy that I would never trade Kyrie for Chris Paul. These Finals might have changed my mind on that.
That Uncle Drew stuff is sufficient against teams like the Hawks and Raptors... going against a team like the Warriors, it is more evident than ever that we need a floor general a la CP3. Lebron cant do the playmaking all by himself.

[Dr Seuss]

why? is kidd an off the ball player all of a sudden? fck off with your ugly and retarded claims.

lebron is at his best with the ball in his heads. adding a pg who runs an offense, takes away from lebrons bread and butter.

instead, if you replace lebron with jordan, "the cavs easily win the title"

[imnew09]

Not with Kidd.

Kidd is dominant with the ball and lack of jump shot.

Lebron needs all time great spot up shooters

[GoatBoy]

Kidd would simply be a spot up shooter on Lebron's team. Y'all would be complaining Kidd is trash if he played with Bron.

[MP.Trey]

Too ball dominant. If LeBron played with Kidd his whole career and adjusted his game to mesh with his it would work but if you just threw prime Kidd with LeBron now, they too often would be trying to serve the same purpose on the floor.

[stalkerforlife]

New year, same story for Bran.

"If he had this superstar instead of his current superstar, he could win!"

[Young X]

I said to my basketball buddy that I would never trade Kyrie for Chris Paul. These Finals might have changed my mind on that.
That Uncle Drew stuff is sufficient against teams like the Hawks and Raptors... going against a team like the Warriors, it is more evident than ever that we need a floor general a la CP3. Lebron cant do the playmaking all by himself.I keep trying to tell people that this needs to happen. Especially if the Cavs get swept or lose in 5. I think it's almost idiotic for both teams to not at least look into it.

[Smoke117]

Cavs need to find a way to get CP3.

[LebronsHairline]

If Kyrie was Michael Jordan... if Cavs were Warriors... if, if, if, if , ifkif fidfjdfkjdsfklj

[STATUTORY]

LOL between Kidd and Lebron who's gonna shoot outside the paint?

[34-24 Footwork]

Kidd: unselfish, gets others involved, great passer, plays defense
Kyrie: chucker

Cavs need to address this unbalanced lineup.


Kidd with these Cavaliers without LeBron would actually be a better match up for the Warriors. Kidd is a better floor general, better court vision and the overall smarter basketball player. Everyone would be in position to do what they do best.

[GrapeApe]

Kidd and Lebron would be a terrible fit. One of them would have to play primarily off the ball, thus completely negating their strength. Both are at their best when surrounded by great off-ball cutters, slashers, and shooters.

[Duffy Pratt]

Here's what I would put for a winning lineup for Bron:

Laimbeer at center.
Rasheed at power forward.
Dumar and Dennis Johnson in Backcourt.

All solid players, but I'm not particularly stacking the deck. This team would have unbelievable defense. Good perimeter shooting at all positions. Great rebounding. And Bron could pound the ball all he wanted.

[Blue&Orange]

If the NBA didn't start with HGH testing this season, cavs might had a chance.

[DMAVS41]

Kidd: unselfish, gets others involved, great passer, plays defense
Kyrie: chucker

Cavs need to address this unbalanced lineup.

Nope...the Cavs desperately need another shot creator other than Lebron.

Where are the points coming from when nobody on the roster can get their own shot or do anything?

Hell...Lebron really can't do much on his own against this team.

[AintNoSunshine]

No doubt. Lebron has never had a real point guard nor a real coach in his entire NBA career.

Still made it to #3 All Time. WOW

[MJistheGOAT]

This "LeBrick needs more help" story is pathetic. Stop.

[G-train]

Not with Kidd.

Kidd is dominant with the ball and lack of jump shot.

Lebron needs all time great spot up shooters

Which version of Kidd are we talking about.

[JtotheIzzo]

Kidd: unselfish, gets others involved, great passer, plays defense
Kyrie: chucker

Cavs need to address this unbalanced lineup.

Yeah, a guy who can't shoot and will keep the ball out of Bran's hands.

Are you a brain surgeon?

[scandisk_]

If bran could redefine his game.

Post plays, play big, grab rebounds. A.k.a Chuckster but with better range and defense.

They'd kill the warriors. easy. But nah he insists on playing like a chump, not gonna work against the warriors. nah, nada, zilch.

[andgar923]

Kidd would simply be a spot up shooter on Lebron's team. Y'all would be complaining Kidd is trash if he played with Bron.
This

[FireDavidKahn]

New year, same story for Bran.

"If he had this superstar instead of his current superstar, he could win!"
Kyrie? Superstar?

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[tpols]

old Kidd actually would be better than kyrie.. with dallas, he wasnt ball dominant at all, yet controlled pace with his rebounding and pushing, was great spotting up from 3, and played amazing defense. He would be the anti-kyrie.

[JtotheIzzo]

If bran could redefine his game.

Post plays, play big, grab rebounds. A.k.a Chuckster but with better range and defense.

They'd kill the warriors. easy. But nah he insists on playing like a chump, not gonna work against the warriors. nah, nada, zilch.

Lots of truth here and maybe even more than the author realizes.

All big guys wanna be guards, Bran is the same and he is good at it, but if he just rolled up his sleeves and got dirty more often and let Kyrie be Kyrie more the Cavs would be better.

More 20/20 games instead of cute triple doubles.

Cavs nees to punch GSW in the face, they can't do it when their tank is 30 ft from the rim trying to cross someone up.

[Asukal]

If only OP and his alts had half a brain and common sense. :rolleyes:

[DMAVS41]

old Kidd actually would be better than kyrie.. with dallas, he wasnt ball dominant at all, yet controlled pace with his rebounding and pushing, was great spotting up from 3, and played amazing defense. He would be the anti-kyrie.

the problem is that the offense against good defenses would be too inept. they don't have Dirk out there creating easy shots and driving lanes to the basket...while also having an elite iso/post up game.

they have an inept shooting Lebron that makes no impact whatsoever off the ball...

the offense just would never be able to score enough points.

[Old Man River]

old Kidd actually would be better than kyrie.. with dallas, he wasnt ball dominant at all, yet controlled pace with his rebounding and pushing, was great spotting up from 3, and played amazing defense. He would be the anti-kyrie.
:rockon: :bowdown: :cheers:

[Living Being]

LeBron would have to be a better off-ball player with Kidd on his team. He's all ready got the "charge to the rim with stiff-arm" mentality, so he just has to learn to cut to the basket without the ball.

[DMAVS41]

LeBron would have to be a better off-ball player with Kidd on his team. He's all ready got the "charge to the rim with stiff-arm" mentality, so he just has to learn to cut to the basket without the ball.

That wouldn't be close to enough though. He'd have to shoot...because nobody would respect him off the ball. The Warriors do it every time he doesn't have it.

It's actually killed the spacing on the court for Kyrie in the pick and roll if you watch closely.

So I agree moving without the ball would be nice, but if you can't shoot and won't shoot....you aren't winning anything on this Cavs team with old Jason Kidd.

[DMAVS41]

:roll:

[Smoke117]

:roll:

Kyrie stopped playing like shit finally...what a genius you are...give yourself a pat on the back? God ish is full of such ****ing idiots. :facepalm

[DMAVS41]

Kyrie stopped playing like shit finally...what a genius you are...give yourself a pat on the back? God ish is full of such ****ing idiots. :facepalm

You are the idiot if you think his first 2 games of this series was enough to judge him overall as a player or this team with him.

This team without him and Jason Kidd makes absolutely no sense.

I'm not even a big Kyrie fan, but this team badly needs his shot making and creation. Lebron simply can't do it consistently any more and the rest of the team is not capable either.

A spot up shooter, rebounder, defender pg would be nice on a team it made sense for...this just isn't that team.

[Living Being]

You are the idiot if you think his first 2 games of this series was enough to judge him overall as a player or this team with him.

This team without him and Jason Kidd makes absolutely no sense.

I'm not even a big Kyrie fan, but this team badly needs his shot making and creation. Lebron simply can't do it consistently any more and the rest of the team is not capable either.

A spot up shooter, rebounder, defender pg would be nice on a team it made sense for...this just isn't that team.
This could be true, and if it is, then the fact that it wouldn't work because of LeBron might be the reason why he hasn't had more success.

[DMAVS41]

This could be true, and if it is, then the fact that it wouldn't work because of LeBron might be the reason why he hasn't had more success.

Well sure, but he hasn't been this broke his entire career.

But just think logically...think about that first half...how the **** are the Cavs scoring if Kyrie is replaced with a spot up shooter that can manage a game well, but can't really create much?

It's not working on this team.

This version of Lebron can't shoot and can't relentlessly create scoring chances for his teammates for 45 minutes a game like he used to.

But really...it's just Lebron's inept shooting. It's still killing his team and I just don't see how they win this series if he can't turn and take a 15 foot jumper confidently.

[Living Being]

Well sure, but he hasn't been this broke his entire career.

But just think logically...think about that first half...how the **** are the Cavs scoring if Kyrie is replaced with a spot up shooter that can manage a game well, but can't really create much?

It's not working on this team.

This version of Lebron can't shoot and can't relentlessly create scoring chances for his teammates for 45 minutes a game like he used to.

But really...it's just Lebron's inept shooting. It's still killing his team and I just don't see how they win this series if he can't turn and take a 15 foot jumper confidently.
Yes, Bron's poor shooting is killing them, but Kidd is going to be better at creating scoring than Bron and his bail out passes.

[DMAVS41]

Yes, Bron's poor shooting is killing them, but Kidd is going to be better at creating scoring than Bron and his bail out passes.

Kidd isn't replacing Lebron though....he's replacing Kyrie...and that makes no sense on this team...

Just none.

[90sgoat]

Kidd is not ball dominant:facepalm

This is why you can't take most posters on ISH serious. Kidd is the complete anti-ball dominant player.

Even so, Kidd would still not get the ball enough to make a difference with Lebron, Kidd needs willing passers, Lebron would still pound the rock.

Ron Harper would be a good fit for Lebron but he retired 10+ years ago.

[Living Being]

Kidd isn't replacing Lebron though....he's replacing Kyrie...and that makes no sense on this team...

Just none.
With Kyrie, all of the Cavs players are poorly utilized. The best they can hope for is a bail-out pass from LeBron or a offensive rebound from a Bron or Kyrie chuck. With Kidd, you'd have much better versions of Love, RJeff, JR, TT, Mozgov, and basically everyone else.

[DMAVS41]

With Kyrie, all of the Cavs players are poorly utilized. The best they can hope for is a bail-out pass from LeBron or a offensive rebound from a Bron or Kyrie chuck. With Kidd, you'd have much better versions of Love, RJeff, JR, TT, Mozgov, and basically everyone else.

The problem is that the other players really aren't anything more than spot up shooters that can't do much if an opportunity isn't created.

Kidd would definitely get more out of Love, but I doubt that is the recipe to win for this team.

Kidd and Lebron just aren't great fits on the same team offensively. Defensively in their primes? Yep...it would be amazing, but offensively it wouldn't work well enough with this cast.

[bizil]

If Kidd and Bron had time to go grow together with BOTH IN THEIR PRIMES, no doubt they would win rings together. Would it be the ideal PG to play with Bron? Probably not.

But it would be INCUMBENT on Bron to be more of a Baylor style SF. Which means thinking SCORE FIRST like Elgin. BUT still having great all around ability. Let Kidd be the floor general and setup Bron, while Bron puts up great all around numbers in the Baylor mode. If Bron doesn't think like that, then the fit wouldn't be as good. In other words, Bron wouldn't be in the point forward mode nearly as much.

Kidd would be the ONE PLAYER Bron ever played with who was a better passer than him. Kidd would DEFINITELY make life easier for the rest of the Cavs as well. Instead of being the 3rd option, K Love would be the 2nd option. Once again not saying its the best fit, but Kidd and Bron together would win rings. IF Bron thinks more score first and lets Kidd be the setup guy.

[Duffy Pratt]

So what you are saying is that Bron only needs to replace Irving with a nightly triple double threat who was five times all NBA first team, four times all defense first team, and led the league in assists five times....