Remember when some of you said Curry was better than Jordan and Kobe ever was?

[HOoopCityJones]

:biggums:

No seriously though

[Ben Simmons]

Kobe has some bad finals as well.

You mean Jordan

[ShawkFactory]

Kobe has some bad finals as well.

You mean Jordan
Doesn't matter. He's not better than peak Kobe was

[HOoopCityJones]

Kobe has some bad finals as well.

You mean Jordan

Kobe had 2 bad Finals total. 08 and 04. 00 doesn't count because he was intentionally injured and clearly inferior to Shaq anyway, yet he still played through it and came up with clutch games when they needed it.




Only the idiots at ISH and ESPN try to make the 6-24 game 7 vs The Celtics out to be his entire series stat line. 2010 is actually one of Mamba's better Finals. :oldlol:

[SouBeachTalents]

Kobe had 2 bad Finals total. 08 and 04. 00 doesn't count because he was intentionally injured and clearly inferior to Shaq anyway, yet he still played through it and came up with clutch games when they needed it.




Only the idiots at ISH and ESPN try to make the 6-24 game 7 vs The Celtics out to be his entire series stat line. 2010 is actually one of Mamba's better Finals. :oldlol:

Kobe's 6/24 has been better than any Curry game so far this Finals

[Kblaze8855]

People love to mention Jordan with others in the process of hating on a third party. And its rarely like....Jordan and Russell....or Jordan and Kareem. Its always Jordan...and someone who doesnt themselves compare....compared to a third party fairly similar to the inferior guy grouped with MJ. I assume Jordan is there to add credibility to the statement as a whole. But you see shit like "Kobe cant ____ like Jordan and Lebron" or "Kobe and Jordan ______ so why cant _____" and shit like that.

Jordan doesnt need to be in most of these things at all.

[HOoopCityJones]

Kblaze was one of the main culprits btw.

"Curry may be the greatest offensive player Ive ever seen"

:roll: :roll:

[stalkerforlife]

Curry's not better than either as of right now, and likely will never reach Jordan's level, but he's obviously injured.

We don't hold Kobe's finals against the Pacers against him because he was injured.

[Kblaze8855]

Brief investigation finds me saying 4 people are arguably the best offensive player ever. Magic, Bird(several times), Jordan, and Wilt. I suspect I may have said it of Kareem but cant find proof. Not that people need your actual words to quote you.

[stalkerforlife]

People love to mention Jordan with others in the process of hating on a third party. And its rarely like....Jordan and Russell....or Jordan and Kareem. Its always Jordan...and someone who doesnt themselves compare....compared to a third party fairly similar to the inferior guy grouped with MJ. I assume Jordan is there to add credibility to the statement as a whole. But you see shit like "Kobe cant ____ like Jordan and Lebron" or "Kobe and Jordan ______ so why cant _____" and shit like that.

Jordan doesnt need to be in most of these things at all.

You hate Kobe.

We get it.

[Kblaze8855]

Off the top of my head....of the top 15ish players ever....the only ones nobody ever told me I hated? Magic, Bill Russell, and Kareem. Somehow...some way....someone thought an argument I had meant I hated all the rest. I still have a Jordan poster I bought in 1989 and kept on the closet door of my bedroom at my grandmas house. But ive been told I hate him too. Favorite player ever. I hate him though. They told me I hated Tim Duncan on here around 02 during the Duncan/KG mvp arguments. Thats the nature of emotional forum posters. Fans in general really. I supposedly hated Shaq in the 90s when I was a bit salty the Magic knocked the Bulls out.

If you make an effort to be reasonable and talk to a lot of people who have an emotional connection to someone....in the end they come to think you hate them. Or maybe that you love them if they hate them. I had like 3 people flip out on me earlier this year talking about I love Kobe and wont allow criticism of him.

Hard to avoid at this point. If youre anywhere near the middle the people on the fringe think youre too far from them.

[oh the horror]

I'll concede that Curry is a better shooter than both. That I won't argue with. But both Kobe and Mike impacted the game in so many ways. Even overall offensively I'm not sure if Curry is better than them in the regard that when their shot wasn't falling they had the ability and footwork to find other avenues to score. Curry doesn't do that it would seem most games and he isn't built physically strong enough to get down like that. I don't know. People believed in the hype.

[Dr Seuss]

You hate Kobe.

We get it.

i think thats been pretty obvious to most of us for a while now. call him out on it and you get 3 pages of text to decipher after.

[ArbitraryWater]

I did (Kobe), and I have to apologize.. I never imagined Curry would shrink and shrivle for such an extended amount of time...

he just never gave off that vibe.

He seemed like a 'always' confident type of guy, a killer, who just keeps on burning you as he rains 3's and sick crossovers no matter the moment...

[Nilocon165]

You hate Kobe.

We get it.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=409807

[Mr Feeny]

Doesn't matter. He's not better than peak Kobe was

He's about 10 times better than any version of Kobe.

This guy shoots 3s better than Kobe shot overall :roll:

He creates spacing. He's unstoppable. He's a transcendent talent who's on a 2 year stretch in which he doubled Kobe's career mvp total and about to match Kobe's entire career total of titles won as lead dog.


All at a young age. He's going to keep winning titles for the next 3-4 years and may well become the only man in the post merger era to lead his team to 4 straight titles.

It's an insult bringing a scrub who can't hit 47% from the field into a conversation with one of the greatest transcendent players of all time in currryyyyy.

Da best!

[Mr Feeny]

People love to mention Jordan with others in the process of hating on a third party. And its rarely like....Jordan and Russell....or Jordan and Kareem. Its always Jordan...and someone who doesnt themselves compare....compared to a third party fairly similar to the inferior guy grouped with MJ. I assume Jordan is there to add credibility to the statement as a whole. But you see shit like "Kobe cant ____ like Jordan and Lebron" or "Kobe and Jordan ______ so why cant _____" and shit like that.

Jordan doesnt need to be in most of these things at all.

This is so true:roll: :roll:
:lol

[Kblaze8855]

i think thats been pretty obvious to most of us for a while now. call him out on it and you get 3 pages of text to decipher after.

You get 3 pages of text 90% of the time I argue about anything. Many of them...in favor of Kobe. But nobody ever thinks beyond the argument they are having at the moment. If I think you are being an idiot...I dont care who its about.

[ArbitraryWater]

People love to mention Jordan with others in the process of hating on a third party. And its rarely like....Jordan and Russell....or Jordan and Kareem. Its always Jordan...and someone who doesnt themselves compare....compared to a third party fairly similar to the inferior guy grouped with MJ. I assume Jordan is there to add credibility to the statement as a whole. But you see shit like "Kobe cant ____ like Jordan and Lebron" or "Kobe and Jordan ______ so why cant _____" and shit like that.

Jordan doesnt need to be in most of these things at all.

:oldlol: so true

[SamuraiSWISH]

I did (Kobe), and I have to apologize.. I never imagined Curry would shrink and shrivle for such an extended amount of time...

he just never gave off that vibe.

He seemed like a 'always' confident type of guy, a killer, who just keeps on burning you as he rains 3's and sick crossovers no matter the moment...
I told you this just a month or so ago and you argued vehemently that Curry > Kobe ever was ... based on one regular season.

You're over zealous and stupid. Too caught up in flavor of the week. Just like you are with LeBron.

You're obviously a kid who is still new to basketball and doesn't quite understand what you're watching. And wanting to say you have witnessed the greatest because this is the first basketball touching your eyes, you over react an anoint things based off hype. Certainly not longevity

Curry is amazing. Especially this season. He's not even in the same stratosphere as the best versions of Kobe or LeBron. And certainly not Jordan, who those two guys weren't as good as either.

You, tpols and even some other knowledgeable posters who I respected lost their minds off the dam Curry Kool-aid. I think kuniva was the other one.

Playoffs and Finals always weed out the good from the great. All timers from the greats.

Curry's body language when he doesn't have it going, with his slumped shoulders and spaghetti arms reminds me of a little kid. Probably why he's so relatable to all you youngsters.

[ArbitraryWater]

^ :oldlol: cute attempt at a characterization...

no, not really, I didn't 'fall for Curry' for a long time.. quite frankly, at one point you just noticed what he did was historic... for the regular season, it was... don't sit here and tell me you predicted this play now :oldlol: Nobody did.

[Hey Yo]

It was the retard that calls himself "Rise Against" that said yesterday Curry was better than MJ and FroBE.

[SamuraiSWISH]

^ :oldlol: cute attempt at a characterization...

no, not really, I didn't 'fall for Curry' for a long time.. quite frankly, at one point you just noticed what he did was historic... for the regular season, it was... don't sit here and tell me you predicted this play now :oldlol: Nobody did.
Um historic season aside you said he was a better player than Kobe ever was. Which couldn't be further from the truth and anyone even remotely arguing that was a prisoner of the moment ... and didn't understand fukk all about basketball. Pure stupidity.

[ShawkFactory]

He's about 10 times better than any version of Kobe.

This guy shoots 3s better than Kobe shot overall :roll:

He creates spacing. He's unstoppable. He's a transcendent talent who's on a 2 year stretch in which he doubled Kobe's career mvp total and about to match Kobe's entire career total of titles won as lead dog.


All at a young age. He's going to keep winning titles for the next 3-4 years and may well become the only man in the post merger era to lead his team to 4 straight titles.

It's an insult bringing a scrub who can't hit 47% from the field into a conversation with one of the greatest transcendent players of all time in currryyyyy.

Da best!
He's clearly not unstoppable..

[ArbitraryWater]

Um historic season aside you said he was a better player than Kobe ever was. Which couldn't be further from the truth and anyone even remotely arguing that was a prisoner of the moment ... and didn't understand fukk all about basketball. Pure stupidity.

#1 PPG
#1 TS%
#1 PER
#1 WS + WS/48
#1 RPM
#1 BPM
#1 VA
#1 EWA

#1 record (73-9 all-time high)

^ EASILY better than anything Kobe ever did in the regular season...

[rodman91]

The problem with Curry, he is atypical supreme scorer. The guy doesn't go to FT line frantically because majority of scoring comes from 3 point line.

Guys like Kobe, Lebron etc. even when they have a bad shooting game they can punish a team just by going inside hard to get contact or shift entire defensive scheme.

Jordan is mentioned just in favor of Kobe. :lol

[Lebronxrings]

lol @ the OP trying to sneak kobe in there. :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[greatest-ever]

He is better than Kobe ever was, and pretty clearly. Anyone who was saying he was better than Mj or Lebron must've just been Curry dick suckers.

[Smoke117]

lol he's much better than Kobe ever was...the Jordan stuff was just nonsense though.

[sportjames23]

People love to mention Jordan with others in the process of hating on a third party. And its rarely like....Jordan and Russell....or Jordan and Kareem. Its always Jordan...and someone who doesnt themselves compare....compared to a third party fairly similar to the inferior guy grouped with MJ. I assume Jordan is there to add credibility to the statement as a whole. But you see shit like "Kobe cant ____ like Jordan and Lebron" or "Kobe and Jordan ______ so why cant _____" and shit like that.

Jordan doesnt need to be in most of these things at all.


This very true, but OP is correct. Curry has yet to have a Finals as good as, let alone better than, Kobe.

[sportjames23]

I told you this just a month or so ago and you argued vehemently that Curry > Kobe ever was ... based on one regular season.

You're over zealous and stupid. Too caught up in flavor of the week. Just like you are with LeBron.

You're obviously a kid who is still new to basketball and doesn't quite understand what you're watching. And wanting to say you have witnessed the greatest because this is the first basketball touching your eyes, you over react an anoint things based off hype. Certainly not longevity

Curry is amazing. Especially this season. He's not even in the same stratosphere as the best versions of Kobe or LeBron. And certainly not Jordan, who those two guys weren't as good as either.

You, tpols and even some other knowledgeable posters who I respected lost their minds off the dam Curry Kool-aid. I think kuniva was the other one.

Playoffs and Finals always weed out the good from the great. All timers from the greats.

Curry's body language when he doesn't have it going, with his slumped shoulders and spaghetti arms reminds me of a little kid. Probably why he's so relatable to all you youngsters.


DAMN

You can't come back from this, Arbitrary. Hold this L with pride, son.

[Human Error]

Not sure about Jordan though Curry has a case.

Kobe was never even close to 2015 Curry. Let alone 2016 Curry.

Kobe fanatics are trying to mention Kobe in the same sentence with MJ everytime and it is pathetic.

[Euroleague]

Someone here actually said that?

[SamuraiSWISH]

Kobe was never even close to 2015 Curry. Let alone 2016 Curry.
This is prime example of the idiotic hyperbole I'm talking about.

How on earth is Steph Curry of the last two seasons a better player than the best Kobe ever was? Do you know how delusional and short sighted that sounds?!

Seriously I want examples, reasoning, and true basketball reasons how he's better.

To any sane person, it is quite obvious Kobe was a better and more impactful player on BOTH sides of the ball compared to even 2016 three point glitch Curry.

[SouBeachTalents]

Not sure about Jordan though Curry has a case.

Kobe was never even close to 2015 Curry. Let alone 2016 Curry.

Kobe fanatics are trying to mention Kobe in the same sentence with MJ everytime and it is pathetic.

Lol, there are several seasons Kobe was better than '15 Curry; '01, '03, '06-'10

[Wade's Rings]

So we wouldn't take Peak Curry over Peak Wade either?

[SamuraiSWISH]

So we wouldn't take Peak Curry over Peak Wade either?
Hell no. 2009 Wade is easily a better player than 2016 Curry. Shooter? No. Scorer? Easily. Defender? Easily. Playmaker? Easily.

Curry wouldn't be doing what he did this season dragging a collection of bums to the playoffs the way Mike, McGrady, Kobe, CP3, Wade and LeBron have done for their teams while putting up huge numbers. The weapons around him hide all his flaws and amplify his strengths. They are stacked. Strength in numbers.

It should be obvious alone based on their record without him in the regular and post season.

[Dictator]

2 seasons of being a superstar and Curry is better than Kobe? :lol :biggums:

[Wade's Rings]

Hell no. 2009 Wade is easily a better player than 2016 Curry. Shooter? No. Scorer? Easily. Defender? Easily. Playmaker? Easily.

Curry wouldn't be doing what he did this season dragging a collection of bums to the playoffs the way Mike, McGrady, Kobe, CP3, Wade and LeBron have done for their teams while putting up huge numbers. The weapons around him hide all his flaws and amplify his strengths. They are stacked. Strength in numbers.

It should be obvious alone based on their record without him in the regular and post season.

All season long I've been hearing about how he was easily better than Wade ever was and how Wade's peak is overrated because he didn't play as well in the Playoffs.

[3ball]

.
Summary of Jordan and Curry's offense:


Jordan made up for his inferior 3-point efficiency compared to Curry with far superior midrange (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12438405&postcount=31) efficiency, and far less turnovers.. These things gave him higher per possession efficiency (ortg), which is more important than Curry's shooting efficiency - shooting efficiency FALLS UNDER THE UMBRELLA of per-possession efficiency.

Jordan's higher efficiency is remarkable considering he carried a bigger load: he produced a higher proportion of his team's points and assists with far less turnovers, while also carrying a bigger load on defense.

Jordan had higher efficiency and carried a bigger load even though Curry enjoys an offense-friendly era due to spacing and hands-off defense - Curry achieves his stats with teammates spacing the floor (Warriors attempt 30 threes per game), while MJ achieved his stats without teammates spacing the floor (Bulls attempted 5 threes per game in 1991).. Obviously, Jordan's stats would explode with today's spacing and hands-off (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12438473&postcount=10) defense.

Consider that Lebron's 3-point percentage is 31.9% in playoffs, and his midrange percentage is below 40% for 10 of 13 seasons (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12389794&postcount=17).. Westbrook, Wade, Derozan, & Butler have similarly (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12389778&postcount=41) poor jumpshot efficiency, yet they remain top scorers because today's wide open spacing and hands-off defense allows easier rim access.. MJ would get the same rim access, except he could also live off his midrange jumpshot, since it's efficiency was better than Curry's (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12438405&postcount=31), and since the today's spacing forces defenses to give up midrange.
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[IMObjective]

This is prime example of the idiotic hyperbole I'm talking about.

How on earth is Steph Curry of the last two seasons a better player than the best Kobe ever was? Do you know how delusional and short sighted that sounds?!

Seriously I want examples, reasoning, and true basketball reasons how he's better.

To any sane person, it is quite obvious Kobe was a better and more impactful player on BOTH sides of the ball compared to even 2016 three point glitch Curry.Thank you. These people aren't even trolling and really believe that crap. Hate makes people blind.

[plowking]

I'd still take Curry over Kobe based on their peak play.

[Jacks3]

He is better than Kobe. The gap isn't as big as I thought it was though.

[Mr Feeny]

He is better than Kobe. The gap isn't as big as I thought it was though.

But that's because he's injured. The gap is pretty big.
Same case with Ilt. You can argue that he's better than any version of the 18 ppg finals scoring choker known as Ilt.

[LAZERUSS]

Chokurry has had NOWHERE NEAR the career of Kobe.

At BEST, The Fragile One is somewhere around Top-40.

And if he continues to blow chunks in this year's Finals, ...he will DROP. Why? Because the Warriors went 7-1 in this post-season withOUT him (again, the NBA already admitted that GS won game three in the first round...or a 5-0 sweep by the Warriors.) Clearly, the Warriors have played better withOUT Mild Sprain Curry.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

One game and everybody overreacts.

Not common for ISH or anything... :oldlol:

[Young X]

He is better than Kobe ever was, and pretty clearly. Anyone who was saying he was better than Mj or Lebron must've just been Curry dick suckers.No.

[SouBeachTalents]

One game and everybody overreacts.

Not common for ISH or anything... :oldlol:

Well to be fair he's played badly and been a non factor the entire Finals thus far

[LAZERUSS]

One game and everybody overreacts.

Not common for ISH or anything... :oldlol:

This.

After OKC routed GS in game four of the WCF's, nearly everyone wrote the Warriors off.

I am never completely surprised by anything, but IMHO, Cleveland got their only win last night. Of course, I can be wrong. But, player-for-player, from 2-12...GS is just better. Hell, I have been saying all season long that they are a 60+ win team withOUT Glass.

Furthermore, I just can't believe that GAC and Klay are going to continue to struggle in this series. One, if not both, should explode in the next couple of games, and if that happens, I don't the Cavs winning those games.


As for Curry being a greater player than Kobe...truly laughable. Get back to me when he puts up B2B playoff runs of 35 and 33 ppg. Or a Finals of 26 ppg on a .622 TS%. Or a 32 ppg Finals. Or perhaps even a 40 point Finals game.

And Curry greater than MJ? Maybe greater than an MJ in his last two seasons.

[SouBeachTalents]

This.

After OKC routed GS in game four of the WCF's, nearly everyone wrote the Warriors off.

I am never completely surprised by anything, but IMHO, Cleveland got their only win last night. Of course, I can be wrong. But, player-for-player, from 2-12...GS is just better. Hell, I have been saying all season long that they are a 60+ win team withOUT Glass.

Furthermore, I just can't believe that GAC and Klay are going to continue to struggle in this series. One, if not both, should explode in the next couple of games, and if that happens, I don't the Cavs winning those games.


As for Curry being a greater player than Kobe...truly laughable. Get back to me when he puts up B2B playoff runs of 35 and 33 ppg. Or a Finals of 26 ppg on a .622 TS%. Or a 32 ppg Finals. Or perhaps even a 40 point Finals game.

And Curry greater than MJ? Maybe greater than an MJ in his last two seasons.

When did Kobe do that?

[LAZERUSS]

Well to be fair he's played badly and been a non factor the entire Finals thus far

And he really didn't play much better in last year's Finals, either.

Comparing a peak Glass to a peak Kobe is :roll: :roll: :roll:

[LAZERUSS]

When did Kobe do that?

Sorry for the confusion. B2B playoff SERIES.

'01 against the Kings and Spurs.

He absolutely destroyed the Spurs in the 00's BTW.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Well to be fair he's played badly and been a non factor the entire Finals thus far

Dude was decent in game 2, but I agree that he's been VERY underwhelming. Don't think he's hurt, but he doesn't look himself either, and I have a hard time believing its because of Cleveland's defense. :oldlol:

Now if we were talking about OKC's length? Another story. Curry ended up having a solid series against them though.

[Mr Feeny]

Chokurry has had NOWHERE NEAR the career of Kobe.

At BEST, The Fragile One is somewhere around Top-40.

And if he continues to blow chunks in this year's Finals, ...he will DROP. Why? Because the Warriors went 7-1 in this post-season withOUT him (again, the NBA already admitted that GS won game three in the first round...or a 5-0 sweep by the Warriors.) Clearly, the Warriors have played better withOUT Mild Sprain Curry.

Too bad. 2 more wins the and majority of fans will rightly recognize him as the better player all time over Kobe.

Stay mad:lol

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

And he really didn't play much better in last year's Finals, either.

Comparing a peak Glass to a peak Kobe is :roll: :roll: :roll:

Kobe's not exactly a renowned finals performer...well he is, but not in a positive way :oldlol:

[Mr Feeny]

Kobe's not exactly a renowned finals performer...well he is, but not in a positive way :oldlol:

:applause: :applause:

[LAZERUSS]

Kobe's not exactly a renowned finals performer...well he is, but not in a positive way :oldlol:

True...albeit, he had an exceptional Finals in '02, and aside from a couple of poor shooting games, was brilliant in '09 and '10.

In any case, Kobe's best playoff games, best playoff series, best Finals games, and best Finals series...all just blow away GAC's.

[Mr Feeny]

Folks Kobe is a career 25 ppg 41%fg finals shooter over his career.
He's also a 25% game 7 finals scorer.

:lol

[LAZERUSS]

Too bad. 2 more wins the and majority of fans will rightly recognize him as the better player all time over Kobe.

Stay mad:lol

Feeble...unless he suddenly rises up and actually contributes something in this year's Finals...his fate is sealed. A player who was carried to his rings by his teammates.

[LAZERUSS]

Folks Kobe is a career 25 ppg 41%fg finals shooter over his career.
He's also a 25% game 7 finals scorer.

:lol

BTW Feeble...how is our bet going?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12425963&postcount=6

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12425977&postcount=7

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12426030&postcount=8

[knicksman]

Folks Kobe is a career 25 ppg 41%fg finals shooter over his career.
He's also a 25% game 7 finals scorer.

:lol


I know you hate kobe coz his stans owned you so bad. Kobe when it matters(spurs,kings,bos) delivered while bran shits the bed thus 2/6 and 5/7. So why dont you just admit that you were gullible enough to be fooled by statpadders

[JebronLames]

Curry is better than Kobe by far, but not Ordan