Curry stans, 'GSW thrives with Curry creating the spacing', explain:

[ArbitraryWater]

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How come they always blow the games open with him on the bench, then? :lol

[ArbitraryWater]

I'm not debating the fact his spacing immensely helps, but people have now lately used it to defend his pedestrian play, when his team actually did the job without him on the floor.

[Poetry]

How come they always blow the games open with him on the bench, then? :lol
They have more space when he gets out of the way :rolleyes:

[Lebronxrings]

*crickets*

[TheMarkMadsen]

On/off = stupid stat that has been ripped apart many times.

Same stat that has prime Shaq having a negative on/off during a championship run.

[ArbitraryWater]

On/off = stupid stat that has been ripped apart many times.

Same stat that has prime Shaq having a negative on/off during a championship run.

not really.. the Lakers weren't +10 with Shaq off the court, lol..

[Dresta]

op has become almost as shameless as pauk, dubeta, lebron23, &c.

[GrapeApe]

That stat might have to do with the fact that the Warriors have a better second unit than most teams. To me it speaks to their depth more than Curry's impact (or lack thereof).

[ArbitraryWater]

op has become almost as shameless as pauk, dubeta, lebron23, &c.

awww, you mad people are uncovering the lengths to which Curry's supporting cast is stacked?

[ArbitraryWater]

That stat might have to do with the fact that the Warriors have a better second unit than most teams. To me it speaks to their depth more than Curry's impact (or lack thereof).

genius :oldlol:

[RedBlackAttack]

+/- or even RPM is sort of a silly stat for a lot of reasons. It doesn't account for things like who you're playing against (the other team's starters or reserves) and it counts baskets made/missed in the last 2 minutes of garbage time of a 30-point blowout in a Game 1 the same as it does baskets made/missed in the last 2 minutes of a 1-point game in a Game 7.

There's no room for nuance in these statistics. RPM tries to make up for that gray area instead of it being so black and white, but I think it frankly sucks as a barometer of a player too.


not really.. the Lakers weren't +10 with Shaq off the court, lol..

According to +/-, the Lakers were -0.3 with Shaq on the floor in the '01 playoffs.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/onealsh01/on-off/2001

Again, shows how useless the stat is. We can see Curry is playing poorly. I don't need +/- to tell me that. FWIW, Shaq was a +22.9 in the 2002 playoffs. lol

[Dresta]

awww, you mad people are uncovering the lengths to which Curry's supporting cast is stacked?
Why would I be "mad"? Just pointing out that you've become an even more terrible poster than you used to be, and as I said, no better than Pauk and Dubeta.

[GrapeApe]

genius :oldlol:

No argument there.

[RedBlackAttack]

That stat might have to do with the fact that the Warriors have a better second unit than most teams. To me it speaks to their depth more than Curry's impact (or lack thereof).
The Warriors' second unit is actually better than most teams' first units. Honestly, as a Cavs fan, I get more nervous when I see Shaun Livingston, Andre Iguadola, Leandro Barbosa, Festus Ezili and/or Mo Speights check in than I do with their starters in the game. It's amazing what they've built.

The worst part is two of their primary pieces (Speights, Livingston) were Cavaliers in the last few years. I never understood why we let Livingston go to Brooklyn. People think it was there that he started to turn his game back around, but it was actually in Cleveland the season before. He's perfect for today's positionless basketball style.

God damn it.

[ArbitraryWater]

Why would I be "mad"? Just pointing out that you've become an even more terrible poster than you used to be, and as I said, no better than Pauk and Dubeta.

Creating talk about the Warriors' second unit (their first unit is -25 so far this series!)... how could I! ...


































you = :cry:

[Fudge]

Been telling these delusional clowns for a while now.

Steph Curry is a FRAUD. An overrated, one dimensional little boy.

[livinglegend]

So far the excuses for Curry:
- Curry is coasting ( It's the finals for god sake :oldlol: )
- Curry is injured ( That injury that only appears after he has bad games)
- Curry is creating spacing (the first unit of warriors hasn't been good)

I also wonder why the kobe stans don't say Klay creates spacing. They are both defended the same way. :rolleyes:

[Lebronxrings]

op has become almost as shameless as pauk, dubeta, lebron23, &c.
all of them are elite posters. Definitely better than you.

[Young X]

+/- or even RPM is sort of a silly stat for a lot of reasons. It doesn't account for things like who you're playing against (the other team's starters or reserves) and it counts baskets made/missed in the last 2 minutes of garbage time of a 30-point blowout in a Game 1 the same as it does baskets made/missed in the last 2 minutes of a 1-point game in a Game 7.

There's no room for nuance in these statistics. RPM tries to make up for that gray area instead of it being so black and white, but I think it frankly sucks as a barometer of a player too.



According to +/-, the Lakers were -0.3 with Shaq on the floor in the '01 playoffs.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/onealsh01/on-off/2001

Again, shows how useless the stat is. We can see Curry is playing poorly. I don't need +/- to tell me that. FWIW, Shaq was a +22.9 in the 2002 playoffs. lolThe stat itself isn't useless but you need a significant sample size to draw any conclusions.

The Lakers were actually +13.8 with Shaq on the floor.

The -0.3 number you're looking at is on/off. The Lakers were slightly better with Shaq on the bench.

BUT, the Lakers only played 98 total minutes (in 16 games) with Shaq on the bench, most of it being garbage time.

[RedBlackAttack]

The stat itself isn't useless but you need a significant sample size to draw any conclusions.

The Lakers were actually +13.8 with Shaq on the floor.

The -0.3 number you're looking at is on/off. The Lakers were slightly better with Shaq on the bench.

BUT, the Lakers only played 98 total minutes (in 16 games) with Shaq on the bench, most of it being garbage time.
Right. I meant on/off. I hate the stat, whether it's used over a large sample or not. I've never really found it to match the reality that I see when I watch the games, and I feel at this stage I have a pretty good understanding for when a guy is a positive or negative to his respective team.

[ArbitraryWater]

The stat itself isn't useless but you need a significant sample size to draw any conclusions.

The Lakers were actually +13.8 with Shaq on the floor.

The -0.3 number you're looking at is on/off. The Lakers were slightly better with Shaq on the bench.

BUT, the Lakers only played 98 total minutes (in 16 games) with Shaq on the bench, most of it being garbage time.

right, I was about to mention that... they weren't -0.3 with him on the court, lol.

They actually had an even more positive margin with him off it, but the minutes is a good mention on your part, and like you said, most of it came in garbage time of already blowout wins.

Sample size as usual does the deed. Curry has missed nearly 2 series'.

[TheMarkMadsen]

not really.. the Lakers weren't +10 with Shaq off the court, lol..


So this stats says Lakers were a negative with Shaq on the court during their most dominant playoff run ever and you continue to use this stat

:lol :lol

[knicksman]

You wouldnt be fooled by a statpadder op if you know ball.

[LebronsHairline]

Curry needs to chuck from 35 feet. He hits 'em at a hight %. Spread the d like Delonte did with bron's mom.