Jordan >> Lebron = Kobe >>> Curry

[Nilocon165]

Some of you need to let your bias go. This ranking is 100 percent accurate.

[Uchmanmamba24]

Jordan >Kobe > Lebron = Curry

[Nilocon165]

Jordan >Kobe > Lebron = Curry
LMAO Curry already tied with lebron? Get out.

[Klay 3D]

MJ > Kobe >>>>> Lebron > Curry

Fixed 100% correctly.

[kamil]

I'd take Kobe over LeFabricated.

[Prometheus]

Well... yeah.

[r0drig0lac]

Some of you need to let your bias go. This ranking is 100 percent accurate.
agree

[TomCat]

MJ > Kobe >>>>> Lebron > Curry

Fixed 100% correctly.

I agree with this as a Cavs fan.

[Marchesk]

Wilt > Kareem = Jordan > Lebron > Durant > Kobe = Curry

[HighFlyer23]

Curry isn't on the same level

He's still developing

[Uchmanmamba24]

Wilt > Kareem = Jordan > Lebron > Durant > Kobe = Curry
you're retarded brah!

[3ball]

Lebron's stats vs. MJ


MJ scored 5.5 more ppg in the playoffs with better efficiency (TS, FG, ORtg) and clutch (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12438582&postcount=24) - these things control the game better than Lebron's 2.5 def rebound edge (with less offensive rebounds) and 1.0 assist edge (with more turnovers).

There's never been a #1 option that scored 5.5 more on better efficiency who wasn't considered the better player.

The scoring gap is even bigger than people realize - Lebron has many series and even entire playoff runs where he isn't the team's leading scorer.. Otoh, MJ is the only all-time great to lead his team in scoring for every playoff series of his career, and he did it by an average of 15.4 ppg (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=406920) (let that sink in).. MJ also led his team in passing, just like Lebron - he led the Bulls in assist percentage for both 3-peats (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11713121&postcount=49), so he assisted on the highest proportion of teammate field goals.

MJ's goat scoring load, team-leading passing, and best-ever defense at his position is the goat performance and biggest load ever carried.





Lebron plays in a different era


Today's era is offense-friendly due to the spacing - Lebron and Curry achieve their stats with teammates spacing the floor (their respective teams attempt 30 threes per game), while MJ achieved his stats without teammates spacing the floor (the Bulls took 5 threes per game in 1991).. Obviously, Jordan's stats would explode with today's spacing and hands-off (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12438473&postcount=10) defense.

Consider that Lebron's 3-point percentage is 31.9% in playoffs, and his midrange percentage is below 40% for 10 of 13 seasons (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12389794&postcount=17).. Westbrook, Wade, Derozan, & Butler have similarly (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12389778&postcount=41) poor jumpshot efficiency, yet they remain top scorers because today's wide open spacing and hands-off defense allows easier rim access.. MJ would get the same rim access, except he could also live off his midrange jumpshot, since it's efficiency was better than Curry's (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12438405&postcount=31), and since the today's spacing forces defenses to give up midrange.






Lebron can't shoot and holds/pounds the ball forever


In addition to a poor jumpshot, the biggest problem with Lebron's game is that he needs an excessive time of possession to get his stats - he and Harden are the only non-point guards in the top 50 (http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/possessions/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sort=TIME_OF_POSS&dir=1) for time of possession.. In the 2015 Finals, Lebron scored 35.8 ppg on 33 shots by holding the ball for an insane 12.0 minutes (http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/possessions/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&sort=TIME_OF_POSS&dir=1) time of possession, which was 50% higher than the RS leader John Wall's 8.2 minutes (http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/possessions/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sort=TIME_OF_POSS&dir=1).

Ultimately, Lebron is 2/7 because his ball-dominant style from the forward position invariably fosters inferior teamwork and brand of basketball than MJ's quick-decision, more off-ball repertoire (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXErOmq3owg&t=0m52s).

Specifically, Lebron lowers his teammates' APG (playmaking), and increases their assisted rate (play-finishing). Here's the APG and assisted rate of key teammates, with and without Lebron:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11709473&postcount=1

[Kvnzhangyay]

The media's effect is showing on people choosing Kobe over Lebron

Open your eyes and watch both of them and stop getting brainwashed by the media :lol

[pauk]

Jordan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lebron >> Kobe >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Curry

[plowking]

I have Bron and MJ equal, Curry next, then Kobe.

[pauk]

Ultimately, Lebron is 2/7 because his ball-dominant style from the forward position invariably fosters inferior teamwork and brand of basketball than MJ's quick-decision, more off-ball repertoire (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXErOmq3owg&t=0m52s).

Specifically, Lebron lowers his teammates' APG (playmaking), and increases their assisted rate (play-finishing). Here's the APG and assisted rate of key teammates, with and without Lebron:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11709473&postcount=1

Riiiiiight........ THATS why he is 2/7.... :roll: has nothing to do with what he had to work with around him in the Finals compared to the Western Finals opponents... or especially compared to with what Jordan had to work with around him in the Finals.... Jordan is GOAT and all, i think he is the best talent ive ever seen, but you are fool if you think he will be "6/6" if he had something extreme of a supporting scrub cast as 2007 Cavs, that is the worst team to ever be in a NBA Finals....

[Bless Mathews]

I have Bron and MJ equal, Curry next, then Kobe.

You are an idiot.

[raprap]

Mj>lebron>curry>=kobe

[riseagainst]

Wilt > Kareem = Jordan > Lebron > Durant > Kobe = Curry

lol wtf is this sh1t

:biggums:

[3ball]

I have Bron and MJ equal, Curry next, then Kobe.


MJ scored 5.5 more ppg in the playoffs with better efficiency across the board (TS, FG, ORtg) and clutch (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12438582&postcount=24) - these things take more energy, are more valuable, and control the game better than Lebron's 2.5 def rebound edge (with less offensive rebounds) and 1.0 assist edge (with more turnovers).

There's never been a #1 option that scored 5.5 more on better efficiency who wasn't considered the better player.

MJ also led his team in passing, just like Lebron - he led the Bulls in assist percentage for both 3-peats (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11713121&postcount=49), so he assisted on the highest proportion of teammate field goals.. Ultimately, MJ's goat scoring load, team-leading passing, and best-ever defense at his position is the goat performance and biggest load ever carried.
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[choppermagic]

Jordan>Kareem (close)>>Kobe>Lebron>Curry

[Cali Syndicate]

Bron is better than kobe and curry is absolutely the bottom end of this cast. However offensively, curry had one of the greatest regular seasons in terms of efficiency to production per minutes played. But all around, curry definitely doesn't match up even though defensively he isn't as bad as people try to make him out to be.

[3ball]

Lebron's losses were due to what he had to work with around him in the Finals


Did Lebron need to lead his team in scoring for every playoff series of his career by an average of 15.4 ppg (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=406920)?... No, he didn't - he had many series and even entire playoff runs where he wasn't the team's leading scorer - NO all-time great led their team in scoring for every series of their careers, let alone by 15 ppg like Jordan.

In addition to carrying a FAR greater scoring load, MJ led his team in passing, just like Lebron - he led the Bulls in assist percentage for both 3-peats (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11713121&postcount=49), so he assisted on the highest proportion of teammate field goals.

Ultimately, MJ's goat scoring load, team-leading passing, and best-ever defense at his position is the goat performance and biggest load ever carried.


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[3ball]

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you are fool if you think he will be "6/6" if he had something extreme of a supporting scrub cast as 2007 Cavs


You're a fool for nothing thinking Lebron's 22 ppg on 35% had nothing to do with it - all 4 games were single-digit affairs, including 1-possession nail-biters in Games 3 and 4.. (edit: Game 1 was 11 pt game)

The Cavs had a great defense, but just needed a consistent volume scorer to win.. If Lebron's averages 33 ppg on 50%, the Cavs win easily.

Also, Lebron only needed to average 25 ppg on 41% in ECSF, and 25 ppg on 44.9% in ECF against Detroit to make the Finals - these would be the worst averages of Jordan's playoff career.





The 2007 Cavs were the worst team to ever in a NBA Finals



Only because Lebron averaged 22 ppg on 35% - MANY guys played much better against the same Spurs team:



Lebron vs. Spurs in 2007 Finals: 22 ppg on 35%

Melo vs. Spurs in 2007 1st Rd: 27 ppg on 48%

Dirk vs. Spurs in 2007.. WCF: 27 ppg on 53%

Kobe vs. Spurs in 2008.. WCF: 29 ppg on 53%



The reason for Lebron's worse efficiency was JUMPSHOOTING EFFICIENCY:



....................... midrange jumpshot FG%..... 3-point jumpshot FG%..... Jumpshot proportion of offense

Lebron 2007 Finals (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/shooting/?Season=2006-07&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4) .............14.8........................... 20.0............................... 52.2
Dirk 2006 WCF (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/1717/stats/shooting/?Season=2005-06&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=3) ..................41.3........................... 50.0 .............................. 61.2
Melo 2007 1st Rd (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2546/stats/shooting/?Season=2006-07&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=1) ...............37.5........................... 50.0 .............................. 59.1
Kobe 2008 WCF (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/shooting/?Season=2007-08&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=3) .................50.0........................... 33.3............................... 63.3




Everyone shot well on jumpers against the Spurs, EXCEPT Lebron - the so the Spurs jumpshooting defense clearly wasn't prohibitive - Lebron just can't shoot.






Riiiiiight........ THATS why he is 2/7


Btw, the Heat lost in 2014 Finals due to an inferior brand of basketball, not inferior talent.

So Jordan would've won in 2014 Finals too, ASSUMING HE WAS WITH THE HEAT IN PRIOR YEARS (not just replacing Lebron right before 2014 Finals).. The Heat would play completely different with Jordan - THEY would be the team that was considered "smart" with a goat brand of basketball, much more than the Spurs were.

In the 2015 Finals, even WITH Lebron shooting 39% and allowing Iggy to double his normal scoring average (9 extra ppg), the Cavs were still competitive and won 2 games - clearly, if he holds Iggy to his normal averages and shoots 50%, the Cavs win easily.

[plowking]

You are an idiot.

No you are.

Are we done here now?

[AirBonner]

Curry isn't on the same level

He's still developing
At 28 years old? :biggums: