Kobe got snubbed HARD the MVP. Should've been 5x MVP

[imnew09]

2002
Duncan 23/12/3
Kobe 30/7/6

2005
Nash 15/3/11 <<<< LMFAO Thats why MVP measure is so useless :facepalm
Kobe 27/6/6

2006
Nash 18/4/10
Kobe 35/6/5

2007
Dirk 24/8/3
Kobe 31/6/5

Should've been 5 Times MVP,

the real GOAT

[ShawkFactory]

2005? The year he shot 43%, missed almost 20 games and his team didn't make the playoffs?

That year?

[MP.Trey]

Dude just said Kobe deserves an MVP for a 34 win season that he didn't even make the playoffs. :oldlol:

[Nilocon165]

Loser

[Quickening]

He wasn't that good, get over it and move on.

[stalkerforlife]

Kobe definitely should have 3-5 MVP awards, but 2005 wasn't one of them.

The media hated him and he had shit supporting casts for the majority of his career.

[ShawkFactory]

Kobe definitely should have 3-5 MVP awards, but 2005 wasn't one of them.

The media hated him and he had shit supporting casts for the majority of his career.
:lol

Nice

[stalkerforlife]

:lol

Nice

In his prime, he was forced to carry a team that had Kwame, Smush, and Luke starting.

[Nilocon165]

He wasn't that good, get over it and move on.
:roll:

I wish every Kobe fan could just accept this fact

[ShawkFactory]

In his prime, he was forced to carry a team that had Kwame, Smush, and Luke starting.
Well yea, but for what...2 years? That's not the majority of his career.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Definitely should've been MVP in 2006 and 2007 dragging those D league bums to the playoffs and 7 games against the second seed. I could see potential argument for 2009 leading the Lakers to 65 wins, but Wade / LeBron were more dominant individually. So around 3x is more accurate. That 3x stretch from 2006 to 2008 he was definitely the best player in the league.

[NBAGOAT]

2002
Duncan 23/12/3
Kobe 30/7/6

2005
Nash 15/3/11 <<<< LMFAO Thats why MVP measure is so useless :facepalm
Kobe 27/6/6

2006
Nash 18/4/10
Kobe 35/6/5

2007
Dirk 24/8/3
Kobe 31/6/5

Should've been 5 Times MVP,

the real GOAT

2002: LOL. How could Kobe be MVP when he wasn't even the best player on his own team. Ofc stats don't tell the story how good Duncan was on defense that year. and how hard he carried the Spurs with just old Drob and past prime Steve Smith.

2005 LOL again. They're not giving a MVP to a guy on a 34 win team. Kobe wasn't even top 5, guys like Shaq(best case for being snubbed that year), Duncan, KG and even Dirk were obviously better.

2006- Absolutely

2007- Kobe has a good case but Duncan was great that year too with his two way play. Dirk was the best player on a relatively unstacked 67 win team and really efficient so he's not that bad of a candidate even if I think he was worse than Kobe or Duncan.

[ShawkFactory]

Definitely should've been MVP in 2006 dragging those D league bums to the playoffs and 7 games against the second seed. 2006 and 2008 for definite. I personally would've voted for him in 2007 as well for similar reasons. I could see potential argument for 2009 leading the Lakers to 65 wins, but Wade / LeBron were more dominant individually.
Plus the Cavs won 66.

Definitely should have been 06 and 08. I agree, 07 most likely as well, but that one was closer.

03 was close with Duncan but I'd still give it to the big guy.

[choppermagic]

MVP voting means different things to different people as well as the actual voters so raw stats will not be enough to tell you who should win the award each year.

Kobe had some great years for sure, but 5 MVPs is probably a stretch.

[Stringer Bell]

:oldlol: :oldlol: at 2005.

Duncan was the worthy MVP in 2002. 2001 was actually a better season for Kobe.

Kobe has solid cases for 2006 and 2007. It's that whole "you have to be on a real contending team that wins 50+ games" criteria that's been in effect since about the 80s.

What if your team wins 45 games, like the Lakers in the 2005-06 season, but the team is weak and you are arguably the best player in the NBA like Kobe was?

[rodman91]

He had a shot to be a best player in the league maybe couple of years. Early 00's were all about Shaq or Duncan..Then Garnett.. then Iverson/Kobe/Carter etc.

By 03.. Lebron, Wade entered to league and they were as good as or better in couple of years.

5 MVPs is impossible... Even Shaq only has one. He was like a cheat code in early 00's.

[TheMarkMadsen]

03,06,07,08,09

[KobesFinger]

Goes beyond stats man. Otherwise LeBron would've been MVP every year since 2006. He should have more than 1 MVP, but so should Shaq and Hakeem and DRob and others.

06 is arguable given how absolutely dire the 06 team was, but Nash absolutely transformed PHX in his time there. Obviously MDA gets some credit but PJax was the Laker coach so you can't use that as an argument.

09 is also arguable with the 65 win season, but LeBron had superior stats and 66 wins.

[Cold soul]

03,06,07,08,09

I agree with all these years other than 03 considering that's Duncan peak season what he did in playoffs was other worldly.

[ShawkFactory]

I know this has been talked about ad nauseam, but I really don't see how Kobe was "snubbed" in 09. Lebrons case was just as strong. If not even a little more so.

[ArbitraryWater]

03,06,07,08,09


I agree with all these years other than 03 considering that's Duncan peak season what he did in playoffs was other worldly.

this is why people are worried about the mental state of Kobe fans

[ArbitraryWater]

I know this has been talked about ad nauseam, but I really don't see how Kobe was "snubbed" in 09. Lebrons case was just as strong. If not even a little more so.

are you crazy? Its not even a discussion... it was a blowout...

[Kblaze8855]

Everything before 03 is out for obvious reasons. 03? Great runs of scoring but once they started 3-9 with Shaq hurt that was pretty much over. 50 wins? No team with two players as good as Shaq and Kobe can have that kind of middle of the road season and have one of them win MVP. They had 11 first place votes...combined. The argument that year was Duncan and KG. Shaq and Kobe had eachother and won 50 games because shaq missed a stretch(still played 67 games). KG had Wally....who missed half the season. And won 51. Forget Duncan who won I think 60 with a pre star level Manu and Parker and a defensive team that just dumped the ball into him to keep them going. Nobody on the lakers was winning MVP that seson.

04 doesnt need explaining.

05 shouldnt to anyone who remembers it.

06 and 07 Kobe was clearly an MVP level player. better than many MVPs were when they won it. Hell he was a better total player than the actual winner defense considered. But point blank.....41 or 44 wins or whatever it was those years....not getting you an MVP anymore. End of story.

08...justified.

The next two....you could make a case for him. Especially when they won 65. But Bron winning 66 with the crazy numbers? 61 and sitting out the last 4....as the team loses all 4? And he had even better number that year. 30/9/7? Thats the year Mo went down and Bron put up like 33/11/8 on an 10-12 game winning streak? It was something absurd like that.

Its hard to argue he didnt deserve it.

Kobe was an MVP level player for like 11-12 years. But he wasnt having MVP level seasons all things considered. The same reasons used to give it to him when he did win....go against him other years.

You just arent winning 34, 40, 42, or whatever games and getting MVP and you arent gonna have an equal or better teammate on your team and win it without an astronomical win total and the other guy maybe....going down for a while.


08 and 09....rational cases to be made. All the rest have a pretty valid reason he shouldnt have won. He probably should have had more votes than 2 in 2009 though. Wade and Lebron were just going wild though. I remember he gave the Bulls like 45/10 hitting crazy shots to beat us and then had like a 50 point triple double a night or two later. I think when he beat us he stole it from someone and ran up and knocked down a 30 foot floater for the win in double OT.

Wade was pretty much as valid an MVP vote as Kobe would have been in 06 and 07...meaning...good enough....but you cant give it to him without the wins. But he was out of hand. I remember a game vs the Suns he blocks Amare at the rim....runs down and wets a halfcourt runner at the buzzer. That guy was ****ing...out of control.

But you still dont get MVP with 40ish wins. You just dont. This isnt the 70s anymore.

[SouBeachTalents]

There's really no good argument for Kobe being MVP in '03 or '09 over the players who won it. Duncan won 10 more games with a very pedestrian supporting cast, and obviously nobody in the same stratosphere as Shaq. While LeBron had better stats across the board and won more games with a clearly inferior supporting cast.


'07 I would have still given MVP to Dirk, dude won 67 games without another top 20 player in the league. '06 is really the year Kobe should have won it, but obviously under the current MVP trends of needing to finish with a top 3-4 record in the league, he had no chance that season

[NBAGOAT]

are you crazy? Its not even a discussion... it was a blowout...

I mean come on now 09 Lebron is arguably his peak and only the biggest hater could criticize his playoff performance. Kobe had 2 of his top 5 years in 03 and 09 which were great years but neither were deserving of MVP or even particularly close.

[zeerghit]

Everything before 03 is out for obvious reasons. 03? Great runs of scoring but once they started 3-9 with Shaq hurt that was pretty much over. 50 wins? No team with two players as good as Shaq and Kobe can have that kind of middle of the road season and have one of them win MVP. They had 11 first place votes...combined. The argument that year was Duncan and KG. Shaq and Kobe had eachother and won 50 games because shaq missed a stretch(still played 67 games). KG had Wally....who missed half the season. And won 51. Forget Duncan who won I think 60 with a pre star level Manu and Parker and a defensive team that just dumped the ball into him to keep them going. Nobody on the lakers was winning MVP that seson.

04 doesnt need explaining.

05 shouldnt to anyone who remembers it.

06 and 07 Kobe was clearly an MVP level player. better than many MVPs were when they won it. Hell he was a better total player than the actual winner defense considered. But point blank.....41 or 44 wins or whatever it was those years....not getting you an MVP anymore. End of story.

08...justified.

The next two....you could make a case for him. Especially when they won 65. But Bron winning 66 with the crazy numbers? 61 and sitting out the last 4....as the team loses all 4? And he had even better number that year. 30/9/7? Thats the year Mo went down and Bron put up like 33/11/8 on an 10-12 game winning streak? It was something absurd like that.

Its hard to argue he didnt deserve it.

Kobe was an MVP level player for like 11-12 years. But he wasnt having MVP level seasons all things considered. The same reasons used to give it to him when he did win....go against him other years.

You just arent winning 34, 40, 42, or whatever games and getting MVP and you arent gonna have an equal or better teammate on your team and win it without an astronomical win total and the other guy maybe....going down for a while.


08 and 09....rational cases to be made. All the rest have a pretty valid reason he shouldnt have won. He probably should have had more votes than 2 in 2009 though. Wade and Lebron were just going wild though. I remember he gave the Bulls like 45/10 hitting crazy shots to beat us and then had like a 50 point triple double a night or two later. I think when he beat us he stole it from someone and ran up and knocked down a 30 foot floater for the win in double OT.

Wade was pretty much as valid an MVP vote as Kobe would have been in 06 and 07...meaning...good enough....but you cant give it to him without the wins. But he was out of hand. I remember a game vs the Suns he blocks Amare at the rim....runs down and wets a halfcourt runner at the buzzer. That guy was ****ing...out of control.

But you still dont get MVP with 40ish wins. You just dont. This isnt the 70s anymore.

WOW, GREAT POST!

[HenryGarfunkle]

Durant proved in 2014 that Kobe has no case for MVP all those years he led the Lakers NOWHERE, while putting up meaningless stats.

Durant's team was no better than those mid 2000's Lakers teams, yet he won 60 games...

So sorry Kobe fans, your boy is lucky to even have his 1 pity MVP award that could've, probably SHOULD'VE went to Chris Paul. You greedy trolls.

[NBAGOAT]

Durant proved in 2014 that Kobe has no case for MVP all those years he led the Lakers NOWHERE, while putting up meaningless stats.

Durant's team was no better than those mid 2000's Lakers teams, yet he won 60 games...

So sorry Kobe fans, your boy is lucky to even have his 1 pity MVP award that could've, probably SHOULD'VE went to Chris Paul. You greedy trolls.

:biggums: what in the hell is with these trolls. Westbrook still played 46 games. Having Ibaka and Jackson is already more help.

[Cold soul]

this is why people are worried about the mental state of Kobe fans

Why do you say this? Kobe was right there with Lebron and Wade in 09 as best player in the league.

[Quickening]

Why do you say this? Kobe was right there with Lebron and Wade in 09 as best player in the league.

No he wasn't, they were both clearly better.

[FireDavidKahn]

2002
Duncan 23/12/3
Kobe 30/7/6

2005
Nash 15/3/11 <<<< LMFAO Thats why MVP measure is so useless :facepalm
Kobe 27/6/6

2006
Nash 18/4/10
Kobe 35/6/5

2007
Dirk 24/8/3
Kobe 31/6/5

Should've been 5 Times MVP,

the real GOAT
Do you happen to remember the turnaround the SUns made from 04-05 and why that made Nash the MVP?:facepalm

[SouBeachTalents]

Do you happen to remember the turnaround the SUns made from 04-05 and why that made Nash the MVP?:facepalm

He doesn't even remember the Lakers won 34 games that season

[TheMarkMadsen]

Everything before 03 is out for obvious reasons. 03? Great runs of scoring but once they started 3-9 with Shaq hurt that was pretty much over. 50 wins? No team with two players as good as Shaq and Kobe can have that kind of middle of the road season and have one of them win MVP. They had 11 first place votes...combined. The argument that year was Duncan and KG. Shaq and Kobe had eachother and won 50 games because shaq missed a stretch(still played 67 games). KG had Wally....who missed half the season. And won 51. Forget Duncan who won I think 60 with a pre star level Manu and Parker and a defensive team that just dumped the ball into him to keep them going. Nobody on the lakers was winning MVP that seson.

04 doesnt need explaining.

05 shouldnt to anyone who remembers it.

06 and 07 Kobe was clearly an MVP level player. better than many MVPs were when they won it. Hell he was a better total player than the actual winner defense considered. But point blank.....41 or 44 wins or whatever it was those years....not getting you an MVP anymore. End of story.

08...justified.

The next two....you could make a case for him. Especially when they won 65. But Bron winning 66 with the crazy numbers? 61 and sitting out the last 4....as the team loses all 4? And he had even better number that year. 30/9/7? Thats the year Mo went down and Bron put up like 33/11/8 on an 10-12 game winning streak? It was something absurd like that.

Its hard to argue he didnt deserve it.

Kobe was an MVP level player for like 11-12 years. But he wasnt having MVP level seasons all things considered. The same reasons used to give it to him when he did win....go against him other years.

You just arent winning 34, 40, 42, or whatever games and getting MVP and you arent gonna have an equal or better teammate on your team and win it without an astronomical win total and the other guy maybe....going down for a while.


08 and 09....rational cases to be made. All the rest have a pretty valid reason he shouldnt have won. He probably should have had more votes than 2 in 2009 though. Wade and Lebron were just going wild though. I remember he gave the Bulls like 45/10 hitting crazy shots to beat us and then had like a 50 point triple double a night or two later. I think when he beat us he stole it from someone and ran up and knocked down a 30 foot floater for the win in double OT.

Wade was pretty much as valid an MVP vote as Kobe would have been in 06 and 07...meaning...good enough....but you cant give it to him without the wins. But he was out of hand. I remember a game vs the Suns he blocks Amare at the rim....runs down and wets a halfcourt runner at the buzzer. That guy was ****ing...out of control.

But you still dont get MVP with 40ish wins. You just dont. This isnt the 70s anymore.


"Can't give the MVP to a team with Shaq and Kobe if they only won 50 games"

But I guess you can give MVP to a team with Prime Lebron, Wade & Bosh when they finish second place in their conference

[ClipperRevival]

People looking at stats without context. MVP stands for "Most Valuable Player". If you are that, your team wins games. Not win 60 games but a good amount. You can get yours at the expense of the offense or within the flow of the offense. Huge difference. Kobe was amazing during some of those years but didn't exactly play optimal ball. He played to get his. That's not an MVP. That's a great individual talent putting up great numbers. Yes, he had little help but you can still play the right way and not shoot over double teams constantly.

[Hey Yo]

2002
Duncan 23/12/3
Kobe 30/7/6

2005
Nash 15/3/11 <<<< LMFAO Thats why MVP measure is so useless :facepalm
Kobe 27/6/6

2006
Nash 18/4/10
Kobe 35/6/5

2007
Dirk 24/8/3
Kobe 31/6/5

Should've been 5 Times MVP,

the real GOAT
Kobe's retired now. You don' have anything else to talk about???

Just let it go and let him retire in peace.

[ClipperRevival]

I can see a legit case for 2006 but that's about it. I mean LEGIT argument, not Kobe fans being biased. His numbers were so overwhelming AND his team won more games than they should've.

[TheMarkMadsen]

People looking at stats without context. MVP stands for "Most Valuable Player". If you are that, your team wins games. Not win 60 games but a good amount. You can get yours at the expense of the offense or within the flow of the offense. Huge difference. Kobe was amazing during some of those years but didn't exactly play optimal ball. He played to get his. That's not an MVP. That's a great individual talent putting up great numbers. Yes, he had little help but you can still play the right way and not shoot over double teams constantly.


What a load of shit :oldlol:

Does "play the right way" mean pass to Smush and Kwame more. Yeah I'm sure that would have led to some more wins for sure!!

Pretty sure that he proved he could "play the right way" while he was leading his team in assist for 3 straight titles, sharing the ball with Shaq, leading his team in scoring & assist through multiple western conference playoffs etc, etc.

Kobe averaged less shots and more assist in 07 than in 06 and the team was worse off for it.. He tried the same thing in the playoffs and the others couldn't get it done.

Then he gets some help in 08 and all of a sudden he "plays the right way" again :rolleyes:

[Mr. Jabbar]

Amazing kobe achieved all he did with all the media hate he got and no shortcuts. The last and only of a dying breed.

[Mr Feeny]

Kobe's retired now. You don' have anything else to talk about???

Just let it go and let him retire in peace.

Needs to salivate one last time. In 2 games time, Curry mucks up his idols legacy and drops him on the all time list:lol

2. More. Games. Let the kobtards enjoy what they have. They'll be drenched in tears within 2 games:applause:

[Smoke117]

Nice to see kobe stans so adamant to stay the biggest morons here.

[Hey Yo]

Amazing kobe achieved all he did with all the media hate he got and no shortcuts. The last and only of a dying breed.
There was definitely shortcuts.

He didn't even take Kate out to dinner.... he just went straight for the rape.

[Mr Feeny]

There was definitely shortcuts.

He didn't even take Kate out to dinner.... he just went straight for the rape.

This is too easy :roll: :roll:
He set himself up:lol

[ShawkFactory]

"Can't give the MVP to a team with Shaq and Kobe if they only won 50 games"

But I guess you can give MVP to a team with Prime Lebron, Wade & Bosh when they finish second place in their conference
Well the other candidates matter. Who should have gotten it over Lebron in 2012.

Kobe was competing with his own teammates as well as an absolute peak Duncan on a 60 win team. 03 Duncan probably would have won MVP in 2012 too.

[Mr Feeny]

Well the other candidates matter. Who should have gotten it over Lebron in 2012.

Kobe was competing with his own teammates as well as an absolute peak Duncan on a 60 win team. 03 Duncan probably would have won MVP in 2012 too.
.it's easier than that. Kobe just wasn't the best player in the league back then or the most valuable player. In fact, he wouldn't have been top 2. He just wasn't that good. Too bad.

[Mr. Jabbar]

There was definitely shortcuts.

He didn't even take Kate out to dinner.... he just went straight for the rape.

sure, lets play the RAPEbe card :rolleyes:

[Mr Feeny]

sure, lets play the RAPEbe card :rolleyes:

:excuse me sir but I belive hey yo's j1zz is all over your face :lol
Wipe that junk off cuz he just pwned you little boy:roll:

[Mr. Jabbar]

:excuse me sir but I belive hey yo's j1zz is all over your face :lol
Wipe that junk off cuz he just pwned you little boy:roll:

im so inside your head dude... and what are all these penes doing here? :wtf:

[Smoke117]

.it's easier than that. Kobe just wasn't the best player in the league back then or the most valuable player. In fact, he wouldn't have been top 2. He just wasn't that good. Too bad.

These Kobe stans are utterly ridiculous. This moron marky wants us to believe Kobe was the MVP in 03 when the Lakers won 50 games and he played with Shaq...a top 3 player in the league and the best player on the team? lol. The fact that the Lakers sucked when Shaq was out those 15 games pretty much cements it that Kobe was no MVP. Duncan had the best year of his career and Garnett carried a pile of shit to 51 wins...1 more than a team with Shaq and Kobe...but yeah let's give Kobe his first MVP. No real reasonable basketball fan would even be looking at 03 as a season Kobe should have gotten MVP.

If you want to talk about snubs then we should be talking about how CP3 got snubbed in 08 so the league could give Kobe a "career achievement" MVP.

[ArbitraryWater]

Why do you say this? Kobe was right there with Lebron and Wade in 09 as best player in the league.

He wasnt even close to either

[ImKobe]

2002: LOL. How could Kobe be MVP when he wasn't even the best player on his own team. Ofc stats don't tell the story how good Duncan was on defense that year. and how hard he carried the Spurs with just old Drob and past prime Steve Smith.

2005 LOL again. They're not giving a MVP to a guy on a 34 win team. Kobe wasn't even top 5, guys like Shaq(best case for being snubbed that year), Duncan, KG and even Dirk were obviously better.

2006- Absolutely

2007- Kobe has a good case but Duncan was great that year too with his two way play. Dirk was the best player on a relatively unstacked 67 win team and really efficient so he's not that bad of a candidate even if I think he was worse than Kobe or Duncan.

Kobe was the best player on his team in 2003...averaged 30/7/6 2.2 stls had his best 3pt shooting year, 9 straight 40+ pt games, 12 threes in a game, dropped 42 in a half his last game against MJ, he arguably had a better individual year than he did in 2006 because of his all-around game

only reason they lost to Spurs in the Playoffs that year was because Horry was ICE COLD in the Playoffs and missed two wide open threes including the open game-winner in Game 5 to put the Lakers up 3 - 2 in the series instead of Lakers being down 2 - 3...his shot rolled the **** out, how you gonna miss a wide open game-winner when it's Kobe passing you the ball? :facepalm

2005 is stupid Kobe was injured, if anything Shaq deserved it

2006 there's no doubt Kobe was the best player in the league hands down

2007 could go either way with Duncan or Kobe but again Kobe played on a trash team


Kobe should have more MVPs with how good he was in his prime but he didn't have the quality of help needed to win the award as it's not just an individual award...you can't win the MVP when your team isn't good enough, it's always been the case. AI/Nash were on top of their conference when they won.

[feyki]

Only 2008 .

[ImKobe]

He wasnt even close to either

lol what? averaging 30/6/6 in a championship run isn't close? 65 regular season wins and outplaying Lebron to sweep the season series isn't close?

[Lebron23]

2008

[Smoke117]

Kobe should have more MVPs with how good he was in his prime but he didn't have the quality of help needed to win the award as it's not just an individual award...you can't win the MVP when your team isn't good enough, it's always been the case. AI/Nash were on top of their conference when they won.

Again...Kevin Garnett led the Twolves to 51 wins in 03...how can you possibly think Kobe should get the MPV over him when he was playing with Shaq? Even if there was no Duncan having his best season...Kobe certainly didn't deserve it over Garnett who was doing more with less and putting up: 23.0ppg 13.4rpg 6.0apg 1.6bpg 1.6spg while being a top 5 defensive player in the league...Why exactly should Kobe be MVP over Garnett when the Lakers won a game less but were a better team?

This Kobe has a legit argument for MVP in 03 is some of the biggest bullshit nonsense you kobe stans have ever come up with.

[bigkingsfan]

More case for 0 MVP

[chazzy]

You guys care too much about MVPs. It's a group of people doing the work for you to not even evaluate who the top player was, but the best player on one of the best teams while also not having an MVP candidate on their team etc etc. Can't you evaluate how good people are without the opinion of other people?

[FireDavidKahn]

Raping people when you can get it for free disqualifies him from more MVP's.

[HurricaneKid]

Since the Bad Boys B2B titles here are win totals for the MVPs team:

73
67
59
66
(57.2)
62
61
66
57
67
54
62
58
60
58
56
67
(61)
62
64
72
62
58
62
67
61
63
57

*Parentheses denotes strike shortened season and win pace team was on.

There have been ZERO MVPs who weren't at least a 2 seed.

The MVP with the fewest wins in the last 10 years: Kobe Bryant

No MVP has won fewer than 50 games since the league was tape delaying the Finals.

And you think Kobe should have gotten it with 34 wins? WTF is wrong with some of you?

[ImKobe]

Again...Kevin Garnett led the Twolves to 51 wins in 03...how can you possibly think Kobe should get the MPV over him when he was playing with Shaq? Even if there was no Duncan having his best season...Kobe certainly didn't deserve it over Garnett who was doing more with less and putting up: 23.0ppg 13.4rpg 6.0apg 1.6bpg 1.6spg while being a top 5 defensive player in the league...Why exactly should Kobe be MVP over Garnett when the Lakers won a game less but were a better team?

This Kobe has a legit argument for MVP in 03 is some of the biggest bullshit nonsense you kobe stans have ever come up with.

Because Shaq was injured? Shaq puts up great numbers but the team outside Shaq and Kobe was trash compared to what KG or Duncan had

you take away Shaq, Lakers had to play 15 games with Derek Fisher as their 2nd best player. No one on that supporting cast even had an above 12 PER, Horry was trash all year from 3 and missed every three-pointer in the Spurs series, including the wide open game-winner

Who did KG have?

Sczerbiak averaged 18/5/3 shot 42% from 3
Troy Hudson averaged 14 pts 6 assists shot 37% from 3, averaged 24 ppg in the series against the Lakers because he was destroying Fisher that hard

That's two players better than what Kobe was playing with when Shaq was injured to start the season, they lost 9 out of 12 even though Kobe averaged 29/9/6 in those games.. Look at the roster and you see their lack of depth and scoring help. Shaq and Kobe accounted for 60% of their scoring on average, you take Shaq away someone has to score those points in his place, Lakers lost even when Kobe dropped 40+ or had triple double numbers

Kobe averaged 40.6 ppg on 47/43/85 shooting for an entire month, that's better than any stretch any player had that season.

[knicksman]

Mvps should be awarded after the finals to account for winning. But nba has a flawed system thats why we use rings in ranking players. Only a moron would use mvps

[Dragonyeuw]

He had legitimate cases in 03,06,07,08,09.

Don't know what the OP is on regarding 2005. Did you just google his statline without looking at the team record?

[HurricaneKid]

Because Shaq was injured? Shaq puts up great numbers but the team outside Shaq and Kobe was trash compared to what KG or Duncan had

you take away Shaq, Lakers had to play 15 games with Derek Fisher as their 2nd best player. No one on that supporting cast even had an above 12 PER, Horry was trash all year from 3 and missed every three-pointer in the Spurs series, including the wide open game-winner

Who did KG have?

Sczerbiak averaged 18/5/3 shot 42% from 3
Troy Hudson averaged 14 pts 6 assists shot 37% from 3, averaged 24 ppg in the series against the Lakers because he was destroying Fisher that hard

That's two players better than what Kobe was playing with when Shaq was injured to start the season, they lost 9 out of 12 even though Kobe averaged 29/9/6 in those games.. Look at the roster and you see their lack of depth and scoring help. Shaq and Kobe accounted for 60% of their scoring on average, you take Shaq away someone has to score those points in his place, Lakers lost even when Kobe dropped 40+ or had triple double numbers

Kobe averaged 40.6 ppg on 47/43/85 shooting for an entire month, that's better than any stretch any player had that season.

What. In. The. ****?

If you aren't the best player on your team, and your team is a 5 seed, you don't get an MVP. That's pretty simple. And I thought it was pretty obvious but I guess not.

There are ZERO MVPs on teams that weren't at lest a 2 seed. But for Kobe, rules me nothing. Hell, he doesn't even need consent...

[Smoke117]

Because Shaq was injured? Shaq puts up great numbers but the team outside Shaq and Kobe was trash compared to what KG or Duncan had

you take away Shaq, Lakers had to play 15 games with Derek Fisher as their 2nd best player. No one on that supporting cast even had an above 12 PER, Horry was trash all year from 3 and missed every three-pointer in the Spurs series, including the wide open game-winner

Who did KG have?

Sczerbiak averaged 18/5/3 shot 42% from 3


Wally missed even more games than Shaq did with 30... and LOL trying to say the Lakers were trash outside of Shaq and Kobe compared to the Twolves...Garnett was playing with a bunch of washed up players and nobodies. In the end, let's say Kobe was the best player on teh 2003 lakers team (lol)...so his 2nd best player was Shaquille Oneal a legitimate 3-5 player in the league...while Garnetts 2nd best player was Wally Sczerbiak and you think Kobe has a case for MVP over Garnett? Shaq alone is worth the 2nd-4th best players on the Twolves...

[ClipperRevival]

Since the Bad Boys B2B titles here are win totals for the MVPs team:

73
67
59
66
(57.2)
62
61
66
57
67
54
62
58
60
58
56
67
(61)
62
64
72
62
58
62
67
61
63
57

*Parentheses denotes strike shortened season and win pace team was on.

There have been ZERO MVPs who weren't at least a 2 seed.

The MVP with the fewest wins in the last 10 years: Kobe Bryant

No MVP has won fewer than 50 games since the league was tape delaying the Finals.

And you think Kobe should have gotten it with 34 wins? WTF is wrong with some of you?

How dare you use logic? You should just look at ppg without context and tell everyone they're Kobe haters.

[ImKobe]

What. In. The. ****?

If you aren't the best player on your team, and your team is a 5 seed, you don't get an MVP. That's pretty simple. And I thought it was pretty obvious but I guess not.

There are ZERO MVPs on teams that weren't at lest a 2 seed. But for Kobe, rules me nothing. Hell, he doesn't even need consent...

He was the best player on his team...he finished above Shaq in MVP votes, he had 4 times as many

But it's like I said..MVP isn't an individual award. Kobe was the best player in 03, 06, 07, 09 but his team won less games so he lost out on the award.

[CuterThanRubio]

Nash could have won 3 straight

2006 = Stoudemire was injured, Suns eliminated Kobe head to head, Nash led the team in points and assists over 7 games, no debate!

[ImKobe]

Wally missed even more games than Shaq did with 30... and LOL trying to say the Lakers were trash outside of Shaq and Kobe compared to the Twolves...Garnett was playing with a bunch of washed up players and nobodies.

Look at the 2003 Lakers roster

Derek Fisher 10.6 ppg 3.5 apg
Robert Horry 6.4 ppg 6.5 rpg 29% from 3
Rick Fox 9.0 ppg 4.3 ppg

no one else even averaged 5 points

these are the 3 best players Kobe had to play with for the first 12 games of the season with Shaq out :rolleyes:

Kobe led the team in points, assists and steals and was 2nd in blocks and rebounds, had some of the best individual performances and stretches in NBA history, KG was a consistent player but he couldn't dominate like Kobe did, his team lost by 20+ points at home twice against the Lakers in a series where they also had HCA but lost in 6.


Nash could have won 3 straight

2006 = Stoudemire was injured, Suns eliminated Kobe head to head, Nash led the team in points and assists over 7 games, no debate!

he won in 06 :facepalm

[Smoke117]

Look at the 2003 Lakers roster

Derek Fisher 10.6 ppg 3.5 apg
Robert Horry 6.4 ppg 6.5 rpg 29% from 3
Rick Fox 9.0 ppg 4.3 ppg

no one else even averaged 5 points

these are the 3 best players Kobe had to play with for the first 12 games of the season with Shaq out



Shaq missed 15 games in the season...stop acting like he missed half the season or something. He was a legitimate top 3-5 player in a sport where an individual player can make a monumental impact and you want to try and compare rosters when Kobe had Shaq and Garnett had Wally? (who missed 15 more games then Shaq at that lol) I know you kobe stan idiots like to downplay Shaq because it takes some shine off of your precious kobe...but this shit is pathetic even by your standards.

[Jameerthefear]

OP should kill himself

[HurricaneKid]

He was the best player on his team...he finished above Shaq in MVP votes, he had 4 times as many

But it's like I said..MVP isn't an individual award. Kobe was the best player in 03, 06, 07, 09 but his team won less games so he lost out on the award.

I'm comfortable saying he wasn't even CLOSE to the best player ANY of those years. His team won fewer games because Kobe doesn't contribute nearly as much as you guys seem to continually suggest. He was fun to watch in 06 but c'mon.

[CuterThanRubio]

Look at the 2003 Lakers roster

Derek Fisher 10.6 ppg 3.5 apg
Robert Horry 6.4 ppg 6.5 rpg 29% from 3
Rick Fox 9.0 ppg 4.3 ppg

no one else even averaged 5 points

these are the 3 best players Kobe had to play with for the first 12 games of the season with Shaq out :rolleyes:

Kobe led the team in points, assists and steals and was 2nd in blocks and rebounds, had some of the best individual performances and stretches in NBA history, KG was a consistent player but he couldn't dominate like Kobe did, his team lost by 20+ points at home twice against the Lakers in a series where they also had HCA but lost in 6.



he won in 06 :facepalm

Your reading comprehension level is embarrassing

Of course he won in 06, I was briefly illustrating why Kobe didn't deserve to win it over him.

You've seen my posts, I like Kobe but he didn't deserve it/

[ImKobe]

Shaq missed 15 games in the season...stop acting like he missed half the season or something. He was a legitimate top 3-5 player in a sport where an individual player can make a monumental impact and you want to try and compare rosters when Kobe had Shaq and Garnett had Wally? (who missed 15 more games then Shaq at that lol) I know you kobe stan idiots like to downplay Shaq because it takes some shine off of your precious kobe...but this shit is pathetic even by your standards.

the 12 games to start the season that he missed were pivotal to their Playoff seeding, you can't expect the Lakers to be a top 2 seed when their 2nd best player misses that many games. It's not like they played lottery teams, they played the Spurs first game of the season and @ San Antonio their 12th game of the season, that's 2 games Spurs won/Lakers lost because Lakers were missing a guy that accounts for ~25% of their scoring and who is their defensive anchor. You don't think that had an impact?

Troy Hudson was a much better player than Fisher that season, who was Kobe's 2nd option when Shaq was out. Hudson put up 23.5 points a game against the Lakers in the Playoffs


Your reading comprehension level is embarrassing

Of course he won in 06, I was briefly illustrating why Kobe didn't deserve to win it over him.

You've seen my posts, I like Kobe but he didn't deserve it/

You said Nash should have won 3 straight MVPs for something he did in a year he won the MVP lol, what else was I supposed to get from that post? I thought it was retarded.

[CuterThanRubio]

the 12 games to start the season that he missed were pivotal to their Playoff seeding, you can't expect the Lakers to be a top 2 seed when their 2nd best player misses that many games. It's not like they played lottery teams, they played the Spurs first game of the season and @ San Antonio their 12th game of the season, that's 2 games Spurs won/Lakers lost because Lakers were missing a guy that accounts for ~25% of their scoring and who is their defensive anchor. You don't think that had an impact?

Troy Hudson was a much better player than Fisher that season, who was Kobe's 2nd option when Shaq was out. Hudson put up 23.5 points a game against the Lakers in the Playoffs



You said Nash should have won 3 straight MVPs for something he did in a year he won the MVP lol, what else was I supposed to get from that post? I thought it was retarded.

I wasn't explaining why he should have won three in a row, obviously, 2006 is the biggest complaint I see when it comes to MVP discussions so I addressed it, get familiar or don't respond to me, you can't hang.

[Lebronxrings]

should have been 0, cp3 got robbed.

[Doctor K]

Def deserved it in couple of those years. not in 2005 due to their season but outside of the that he should have won 3-4 MVPs in his career. Got snubbed big time.

[Smoke117]

the 12 games to start the season that he missed were pivotal to their Playoff seeding, you can't expect the Lakers to be a top 2 seed when their 2nd best player misses that many games. It's not like they played lottery teams, they played the Spurs first game of the season and @ San Antonio their 12th game of the season, that's 2 games Spurs won/Lakers lost because Lakers were missing a guy that accounts for ~25% of their scoring and who is their defensive anchor. You don't think that had an impact?


...wait...so you think if the Lakers were healthy and Shaq had played all 82 games and say won 60 games that Kobe should have been MVP? All that speaks for is how important Shaq is and not Kobe. All this nonsense about Kobe actually being better or more impactful than Shaq is horse shit. Shaq plays 82 games and Kobe only plays 67 and I guarantee they are sitting at a better record than 50-32. No matter what, Kobe Bryant was not going to (and should not have) get the MVP in 2003 regardless of what happened playing next to a Lakers version of Shaq.

If someone was saying this horseshit about 10 years ago you'd be laughed at, but sports fans have a fickle memory it seems...because a lot of people don't seem to remember what a terror Shaq was in those days.

[ImKobe]

...wait...so you think if the Lakers were healthy and Shaq had played all 82 games and say won 60 games that Kobe should have been MVP? All that speaks for is how important Shaq is and not Kobe. All this nonsense about Kobe actually being better or more impactful than Shaq is horse shit. Shaq plays 82 games and Kobe only plays 67 and I guarantee they are sitting at a better record than 50-32. No matter what, Kobe Bryant was not going to (and should not have) get the MVP in 2003 regardless of what happened playing next to a Lakers version of Shaq.

If someone was saying this horseshit about 10 years ago you'd be laughed at, but sports fans have a fickle memory it seems...because a lot of people don't seem to remember what a terror Shaq was in those days.

Yes.

Lakers aren't sitting on a better record than 50-32 if Kobe is injured, are you kidding me? Who do they have to run the offense/take attention away from Shaq inside? Shaq was the defensive anchor and the Lakers were in the bottom of the league DEFENSIVELY, that's on Shaq becoming fat after their three-peat and not focusing as much on the defensive end, he was more worried about still being as good of a scorer as Kobe but Kobe's perimeter scoring in 03 put him above Shaq.

You tell me which player was better in 2002-03. The one that came into the training camp fat and out of shape or the one that had his best individual season? Kobe was the #1 option and was also the guy that ran the offense, you take that away and you have the most predictable offense in the league since no one besides Shaq can create their own shot. You can just foul Shaq and send him to the line, Derek Fisher or Robert Horry is not going to take anyone off the dribble or score over 10 points on a consistent basis.

[Smoke117]

Yes.

Lakers aren't sitting on a better record than 50-32 if Kobe is injured, are you kidding me? Who do they have to run the offense/take attention away from Shaq inside? Shaq was the defensive anchor and the Lakers were in the bottom of the league DEFENSIVELY, that's on Shaq becoming fat after their three-peat and not focusing as much on the defensive end, he was more worried about still being as good of a scorer as Kobe but Kobe's perimeter scoring in 03 put him above Shaq.


lol...Kobe averaged 2.5 more ppg on 5.3 more shots than Shaq with a .552%ts to Shaqs .602%ts...how exactly did Kobe's perimeter scoring put him above Shaq? Shaq was the most impacful defender, rebounder, and scorer. (nobody drew double teams like he did on the lakers) Any MVP talk for kobe in 2003 is a joke, period.

[k0kakw0rld]

2002
Duncan 23/12/3
Kobe 30/7/6

2005
Nash 15/3/11 <<<< LMFAO Thats why MVP measure is so useless :facepalm
Kobe 27/6/6

2006
Nash 18/4/10
Kobe 35/6/5

2007
Dirk 24/8/3
Kobe 31/6/5

Should've been 5 Times MVP,

the real GOAT
Back then it was not only a regular season award, you actually had to perform in the playoffs, make your team and teammates better and be extremely efficient, in order to get it.

[ImKobe]

lol...Kobe averaged 2.5 more ppg on 5.3 more shots than Shaq with a .552%ts to Shaqs .602%ts...how exactly did Kobe's perimeter scoring put him above Shaq? Shaq was the most impacful defender, rebounder, and scorer. (nobody drew double teams like he did on the lakers) Any MVP talk for kobe in 2003 is a joke, period.

Kobe had his best season from 3 and had big 40-point stretches (HE AVERAGED 40 FOR A MONTH, A MONTH)

Shaq was the defensive anchor and their defense was ranked 19th, that's on Shaq, Duncan and KG DESTROYED the Lakers inside, go back and look at the numbers, Shaq didn't always give his best effort on that end. It got to a point where Kobe was getting DPOY votes over Shaq while Shaq wasn't even making 1st team defenses :oldlol:

obviously his FG% is going to be high when he doesn't shoot beyond 5 feet of the basket, he could barely hit half of his free throws :oldlol:

You don't see the big picture. You take away Kobe and who do the Lakers go to in the 4th? A guy that can be fouled and sent to the line where he's more likely than not to miss a FT?

Y'all forget quickly how Kobe was the only reason Lakers even won 50 games in the first place...he closed out so many games that year in the regular season because their lackluster effort on the defensive end kept the opponents in games. Shaq's job was to defend the rim yet the Lakers were in the bottom of the league in opponent FG%, points allowed per game, defensive rating..

[Smoke117]

Kobe had his best season from 3 and had big 40-point stretches (HE AVERAGED 40 FOR A MONTH, A MONTH)

Shaq was the defensive anchor and their defense was ranked 19th, that's on Shaq, Duncan and KG DESTROYED the Lakers inside, go back and look at the numbers, Shaq didn't always give his best effort on that end. It got to a point where Kobe was getting DPOY votes over Shaq while Shaq wasn't even making 1st team defenses :oldlol:

obviously his FG% is going to be high when he doesn't shoot beyond 5 feet of the basket, he could barely hit half of his free throws :oldlol:

You don't see the big picture. You take away Kobe and who do the Lakers go to in the 4th? A guy that can be fouled and sent to the line where he's more likely than not to miss a FT?

Y'all forget quickly how Kobe was the only reason Lakers even won 50 games in the first place...he closed out so many games that year in the regular season because their lackluster effort on the defensive end kept the opponents in games. Shaq's job was to defend the rim yet the Lakers were in the bottom of the league in opponent FG%, points allowed per game, defensive rating..

You're bagging on Shaq defensively...but what about about Kobe? He was all first all defense and if Shaq was the best defensive player on a mediocre defensive team...what does that say about Kobe? Kobe frankly plays down to his team defensively and always has. (which is a big reason why reputation as a great defensive player is so laughable)

[Nick Young]

Mamba deserves AT LEAST 6 MVPs if the award was given out properly.

[ImKobe]

You're bagging on Shaq defensively...but what about about Kobe? He was all first all defense and if Shaq was the best defensive player on a mediocre defensive team...what does that say about Kobe? Kobe frankly plays down to his team defensively and always has. (which is a big reason why reputation as a great defensive player is so laughable)

Shaq wasn't. Kobe was the one making 1st-team defense and getting as many DPOY votes as Shaq in 03, much more than Shaq in 04...

Kobe haters say that he is a bad defender but I see no proof in that from 00-10, he was arguably the best 1 on 1 defender behind Ron Artest in that decade.

People only remember Kobe's defense from when he was in his 30s but he was an elite defender in his prime, no question about that. Coaches/players wouldn't give him that reputation if he wasn't. You can watch the tapes and see it for yourself.

[imnew09]

Back then it was not only a regular season award, you actually had to perform in the playoffs, make your team and teammates better and be extremely efficient, in order to get it.


If that's the case, then Lebeta should be stripped all his MVPS

[Keno]

2002 he wasn't mvp on his own team

2005 he didn't even make the playoffs, not.even an all nba first team...wtf?

2006: was top 3. Not the most valuable. Played on a 7th seed team. Wasn't even runner up for mvp.

2007: see reasoning for 2006.

Sit down kobetards.

from facebook.

[Smoke117]

Shaq wasn't. Kobe was the one making 1st-team defense and getting as many DPOY votes as Shaq in 03, much more than Shaq in 04...

Kobe haters say that he is a bad defender but I see no proof in that from 00-10, he was arguably the best 1 on 1 defender behind Ron Artest in that decade.

People only remember Kobe's defense from when he was in his 30s but he was an elite defender in his prime, no question about that. Coaches/players wouldn't give him that reputation if he wasn't. You can watch the tapes and see it for yourself.

I don't need to see tapes of what I saw live...the only ones that actually think Kobe was an elite defender for his career are kobe stans. It's a pretty common thought among basketball fans that he's an overrated defensive player. He pretty much peaked as a defender in that 2000 season before he started caring more about scoring 30ppg than playing defense. (ironic how you were saying Shaq was more intent on getting his points to up Kobe when Kobe has sacrificed his defense for offense for almost his entire career) The funny thing about that though is that is just plain laziness guys like Jordan and Wade were doing just as much as Kobe offensively while also being elite defensively.

[ArbitraryWater]

The claims are 2003, 2006-2007, 2009...

2009 is ludicrous, because LeBron and Wade, each, had HISTORIC seasons.... by all measures, they played at all-time levels during the regular season, you can't just give it to someone like Kobe who didn't, especially since he didn't even win more games than LeBron....

I mean, LeBron won more games with a lesser team... thats the ESSENCE of MVP, of 'value'. When does someone EVER get overhanded when he has those two vital things going for him? Not possibly.

2006 and 2007 are long cleared, not just was Dirk in the mix as a player, and Wade for the '06 post-season and '07 regular season when healthy, but Kobe had by far the worst team record out of all contenders, and not just worse, his team won in the mid and low 40's. You just don't win MVP's at such a winning rate. Never have, never will. Kobe wasn't top 3 in MVP voting either year, now trying to give him one for either year is major revisionist history and bullshit.

2003 is his next best claim, since for the first time he was on an elite level, on Shaq's level, had his physical peak, best all-around year, and 15 games without Shaq... but quite frankly, his huge losing record during that stretch (3-12 was it?), just didn't make it possible. Thats where he should have carried the team to a .500 record, and had his scoring binge and what not.

So all in all, there's a better chance of him losing his MVP then adding another, Paul has more of a case for 2008, than Kobe for 2003.

And as proven, year-by-year with the amount of wins by MVP-led teams, Kobe's already been one of the lowest game winning MVP's ever, especially considering '06 was Dirk's award and not Nash', who won 60, over Nash' 54.

So Kobe fans, give it a rest. Kobe quite frankly has never had that type of dominant period, where he put his stamp on the game for a string of years, like other greats have had.

[ImKobe]

I don't need to see tapes of what I saw live...the only ones that actually think Kobe was an elite defender for his career are kobe stans. It's a pretty common thought among basketball fans that he's an overrated defensive player. He pretty much peaked as a defender in that 2000 season before he started caring more about scoring 30ppg than playing defense. (ironic how you were saying Shaq was more intent on getting his points to up Kobe when Kobe has sacrificed his defense for offense for almost his entire career) The funny thing about that though is that is just plain laziness guys like Jordan and Wade were doing just as much as Kobe offensively while also being elite defensively.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iou1L27tyZI

just look at the footwork

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjNr573_Xq4

but I guess JVG is a Kobe stan who calls him one of the best 1 on 1 defenders of all-time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCVe9A46ecs

[SouBeachTalents]

If that's the case, then Lebeta should be stripped all his MVPS

Especially so in '09 & '12

[Boogaboog]

He deserved 3.

[ShawkFactory]

If that's the case, then Lebeta should be stripped all his MVPS
Including the ones where he won titles/FMVPs?

[Wade's Rings]

He was the best player on his team...he finished above Shaq in MVP votes, he had 4 times as many

But it's like I said..MVP isn't an individual award. Kobe was the best player in 03, 06, 07, 09 but his team won less games so he lost out on the award.

You think Kobe was better than Wade in '09 because of his Title run, explain why he was better than Wade in '06.

[imnew09]

You think Kobe was better than Wade in '09 because of his Title run, explain why he was better than Wade in '06.


Kobes 06 season was one of the greatest offensive season of All Time.

That year the Lakers roster was straight up from D League

[Wade's Rings]

Kobes 06 season was one of the greatest offensive season of All Time.

That year the Lakers roster was straight up from D League


Wade had a monster all around season in '09 and his team was trash as well.

:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

[NBASTATMAN]

IN 03 THE lAKERS WERE 5-10 without Shaq... You dont give Kobe a MVP when his team isnt even .500 with him as the LEADER....


END OF THREAD

[f0und]

you should just be happy with the one he got, and even that was more of a charity award.