US Unemployed quit looking for jobs at a "frightening" level

[sammichoffate]

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/08/us-unemployed-have-quit-looking-for-jobs-at-a-frightening-level-survey.html
US caste system, here we come :banana:

[stalkerforlife]

Wal-mart told me I failed their questionnaire and the process stopped before it could begin.

Wal-mart...

I'm obviously an outcast and society doesn't want me.

[~primetime~]

says it is mostly 20-somethings that have 'given up'

They can't give up forever, eventually they are going to get tired of living with their parents.

Much easier for a 25 year old to 'give up' when he can just live at home than a 40 year old with kids.

[highwhey]

wait, so illegal immigrants DIDN'T take their jobs?

[nathanjizzle]

Wal-mart told me I failed their questionnaire and the process stopped before it could begin.

Wal-mart...

I'm obviously an outcast and society doesn't want me.

what was the question that made you fail? was it "are you a criminal". or was it "do you have a mental disorder or condition" ?

[DonDadda59]

Meanwhile...


Job openings rise to a record high

There were a record 5.788 million job openings in the US in April, according to the latest Job Openings and Labor Turnover Survey (JOLTS).

Economists had forecast that there were 5.675 million job openings during that month, according to Bloomberg. The number of openings in March was revised down to 5.670 million from 5.757 million.

Hiring slowed, as the total number of hires fell slightly to 5.1 million and the rate edged down to 3.5% from 3.7%.

In a speech on Monday, Federal Reserve chair Janet Yellen referenced the previous record number of job openings as a sign that the labor-market has been positive overall, even after new job additions fell to a six-year low last month.

"All in all, Chair Yellen's basis for optimism in a resumption of job growth appears on relatively solid grounds - although she fails to instill confidence in business leaders to embark on a path of stronger hiring," said John Herrmann, a rates strategist at Mitsubishi UFJ.

He added that given the record number of job openings, forward-market expectations for the Fed to not raise rates in the next 18 months are too pessimistic.

The JOLTS report also included the quits rate - the share of employees voluntarily resigning - which fell to 2% from 2.1%.

This is one of Yellen's top indicators of the labor market because it shows how confident workers are in the jobs market.

http://www.businessinsider.com/jolts-report-april-2016-2016-6

:confusedshrug:


says it is mostly 20-somethings that have 'given up'

They can't give up forever, eventually they are going to get tired of living with their parents.

Much easier for a 25 year old to 'give up' when he can just live at home than a 40 year old with kids.

Millenials. :facepalm

Truly, the worst generation.

[stalkerforlife]

what was the question that made you fail? was it "are you a criminal". or was it "do you have a mental disorder or condition" ?

Absolutely not.

It was their stupid questionnaire that asks you questions and you have to answer for particular scenarios.

How likely are you to...blah blah blah...

[nathanjizzle]

Absolutely not.

It was their stupid questionnaire that asks you questions and you have to answer for particular scenarios.

How likely are you to...blah blah blah...

you cant be mad at that. those questionaires are for character profiling and the test deemed you to be a terrible person, which you often admit all the time on this forum. it did its job, walmart is smart.

[stalkerforlife]

you cant be mad at that. those questionaires are for character profiling and the test deemed you to be a terrible person, which you often admit all the time on this forum. it did its job, walmart is smart.

So like I said...i'm an outcast and society doesn't want me.

Stop moving the goal posts.

[FillJackson]

says it is mostly 20-somethings that have 'given up'

They can't give up forever, eventually they are going to get tired of living with their parents.

Much easier for a 25 year old to 'give up' when he can just live at home than a 40 year old with kids.

This number is way too high and persistent, but it's actually come down. As for the new job openings, the population in this survey don't have a degree and I bet a good chunk of those openings require them.

[QUOTE]Forty-three percent of respondents agreed with this statement:

[nathanjizzle]

So like I said...i'm an outcast and society doesn't want me.

Stop moving the goal posts.

walmart doesnt want you, that doesnt mean some parts of society doesnt. i wouldnt mind you being a radio personality, or a warehouse worker. something where your face is in darkeness or cant be seen by the general public.

[stalkerforlife]

walmart doesnt want you, that doesnt mean some parts of society doesnt. i wouldnt mind you being a radio personality, or a warehouse worker. something where your face is in darkeness or cant be seen by the general public.

:lol

[NumberSix]

wait, so illegal immigrants DIDN'T take their jobs?
Well, they've given up looking due to all of the jobs being taken. Somebody took those jobs.

[DonDadda59]

This number is way too high and persistent, but it's actually come down. As for the new job openings, the population in this survey don't have a degree and I bet a good chunk of those openings require them.

Not necessarily College degrees, but skills. Governors all over the country are struggling mightily to fill multiple job openings because the workforce doesn't have the necessary skill for those positions. They are trying to increase apprenticeship programs (while some simultaneously try to kill unions :facepalm ) and other measures to fill the slots.

http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/07/news/economy/us-economy-job-skills-gap/

Kind of strange though that there is a record number of job openings but a large number of chronically unemployed people. We may need to look into revamping our educational system. Focus more on apprenticeships and teaching the skills necessary for these jobs instead of just pushing for more liberal arts and communications graduates.

[UK2K]

says it is mostly 20-somethings that have 'given up'

They can't give up forever, eventually they are going to get tired of living with their parents.

Much easier for a 25 year old to 'give up' when he can just live at home than a 40 year old with kids.

Bernie gave up for 40 years until he got into politics.

But the problem is when you give up at 25, you won't be able to get a job at 40.

A soft ass generation. That's the problem. And liberals are all too eager to keep it going in the wrong direction.

[UK2K]

Not necessarily College degrees, but skills. Governors all over the country are struggling mightily to fill multiple job openings because the workforce doesn't have the necessary skill for those positions. They are trying to increase apprenticeship programs (while some simultaneously try to kill unions :facepalm ) and other measures to fill the slots.

http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/07/news/economy/us-economy-job-skills-gap/

Kind of strange though that there is a record number of job openings but a large number of chronically unemployed people. We may need to look into revamping our educational system. Focus more on apprenticeships and teaching the skills necessary for these jobs instead of just pushing for more liberal arts and communications graduates.

A degree in African American studies with classes like African Art and Rain Dancing doesn't really prepare you for the job world.

[DonDadda59]

Well, they've given up looking due to all of the jobs being taken. Somebody took those jobs.

Yup, dirt poor illegal immigrants from Mexico are taking all the STEM jobs from hardworking Americans.

Kill yourself. :lol


A degree in African American studies with classes like African Art and Rain Dancing doesn't really prepare you for the job world.

Take your own life. This instant.

[UK2K]

Take your own life. This instant.

It's not my fault nobody wants to hire someone with a worthless degree:

http://knowmore.washingtonpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Unemployment.png

I said it once and I'll say it again, it's not education keeping people from being hired, it's that they're ****ing weird. And lazy.

You said it already. Skills.


What are soft skills?
Soft skills are the traits and actions that allow you to show up at work, get along with others, and get the job done. They aren’t the technical skills you pick up from education and experience, instead they are the skills that are harder to assess in an education setting.

The survey report stated:

Work ethic was the most lacking at 55%. Communication, problem solving and attendance/punctuality each registered 42-43%. Each of these soft skills was indicated as far more challenging to find than academic skills, such as reading, writing and math. Only 10% of the respondents said they had no challenges finding the skills they needed.

People sleepwalk through college high as **** and hungover, get handed a degree, then expect the job world to be similar and lose their ****ing mind when they realize it's not.

Then they cry about it but, they're no longer in college and nobody is there to coddle them (except super leftist 'activists' groups) and if they don't join one of those, they're ****ed.

We are setting them up for failure.

[DonDadda59]

:rolleyes:

We get it. You didn't go to college and now you'll spend the rest of your life trying to convince people on the internet you're not completely insecure about this fact.

Suicide.

Is.

Painless.

It brings on.

Many Changes.

[highwhey]

It's not my fault nobody wants to hire someone with a worthless degree:

http://knowmore.washingtonpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Unemployment.png

I said it once and I'll say it again, it's not education keeping people from being hired, it's that they're ****ing weird. And lazy.

You said it already. Skills.



People sleepwalk through college high as **** and hungover, get handed a degree, then expect the job world to be similar and lose their ****ing mind when they realize it's not.

Then they cry about it but, they're no longer in college and nobody is there to coddle them (except super leftist 'activists' groups) and if they don't join one of those, they're ****ed.

We are setting them up for failure.
then why does your party spread false lies and say illegal immigrants are taking jobs from "hard working americans"?

[Jameerthefear]

then why does your party spread false lies and say illegal immigrants are taking jobs from "hard working americans"?
:lebronamazed:

[DeuceWallaces]

Lol UK2K fighting the never ending struggle to justify a lack of a degree; one message board post at a time.

"You know who else didn't go to college?

LeBron James,

Kobe Bryant,

Kevin Garnett,

Need I say more?"

[UK2K]

then why does your party spread false lies and say illegal immigrants are taking jobs from "hard working americans"?
Illegal immigrants work harder than Americans...

That's not a lie.

[UK2K]

:rolleyes:

We get it. You didn't go to college and now you'll spend the rest of your life trying to convince people on the internet you're not completely insecure about this fact.

Suicide.

Is.

Painless.

It brings on.

Many Changes.

Yet, at 27, I make a higher salary than half the country.

I'll be graduating next year... so not sure what you're talking about. Do you think once I graduate I wont still have that opinion or... what? All of sudden I'll tell everyone it's awesome and they should totally go? :lol

Sucks dude. You should be proud of people like me who defy the odds and exceed despite every statistic saying I wouldn't.

The country would be a lot better off with people like me, but instead, you want more people with African Literature degrees. I don't get it.

[highwhey]

Lol UK2K fighting the never ending struggle to justify a lack of a degree; one message board post at a time.

"You know who else didn't go to college?

LeBron James,

Kobe Bryant,

Kevin Garnett,

Need I say more?"
:roll:

[Thorpesaurous]

Not necessarily College degrees, but skills. Governors all over the country are struggling mightily to fill multiple job openings because the workforce doesn't have the necessary skill for those positions. They are trying to increase apprenticeship programs (while some simultaneously try to kill unions :facepalm ) and other measures to fill the slots.

http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/07/news/economy/us-economy-job-skills-gap/

Kind of strange though that there is a record number of job openings but a large number of chronically unemployed people. We may need to look into revamping our educational system. Focus more on apprenticeships and teaching the skills necessary for these jobs instead of just pushing for more liberal arts and communications graduates.


I think a lot of this is due to something that happened culturally around the mid 80s to mid 90s, where all of a sudden going to college became a minimum of success. A lot of people just aren't designed to go to college. And a lot of those people ended up with degrees in things that just aren't applicable. I'm not discounting the college experience either. I do think there's something to be said for someone who paid for school, and got through it, where they weren't being forced through, like in High School.

That said, a lot of those people who go through school are promised that going to college will get you some management position that will pay great and require little, and that just is not the case. So there are a lot of people out there who are convinced they're overqualified for stuff.

That linked article shows a 10K drop in manufacturing. I can speak to that because that's the field I work in. I can tell you that we get people in all the time, with limited experience, with a degree from some technical program, and they want to be the programmer. Kid really liked that programming course, has no idea how the machine actually runs. Wouldn't even know where to begin on a manual machine, which gives you the fundamentals to understand what the CNC machines are doing. I've heard older people describe it as a sense of entitlement. I don't think that's quite fair, I just don't think a lot of these people even understand what they're asking for.

My company has found a program we like, that's training kids in machining, including programming, post high school. We get them on a one day a week basis for the last six months of their schooling, and then we can choose to keep them or not. If we do keep them, the state picks up 90% of what we pay them for the first year. At that point we can choose to keep them or not again. It's basically free state funded labor, which as a tax payer I can't believe. As an employer, it's a win win. We kept two this year even with a fear we couldn't keep them both busy, but it was more cost effective than putting myself, on the all the work I would have to do to tell the state we weren't going to keep him.

We start them out on the manuals. The pay is fair. They come in with enough background to teach them, and then they can decide in a year if they want to continue moving up the ladder. It's a program we only got into a three years ago. But our first two guys have worked out well, and so far we really like both kids we have this year. I've found that a year working on the most basic stuff, and just being in a shop, really re-aligns their expectations, because a lot of them come in being sold that bill of goods that they can be a programmer, or they're just a notch below an engineer. And from there it usually goes pretty well.


Anyway, the states should make Jury Duty a mandatory requirement for the unemployed, so as not to disturbed all the people producing to cover the program. Once a week should even cover a lot of the need. And a six month reprieve if you actually serve.

[Akrazotile]

That said, a lot of those people who go through school are promised that going to college will get you some management position that will pay great and require little, and that just is not the case. So there are a lot of people out there who are convinced they're overqualified for stuff.






This is the key, IMO. It's an idea that has been presented to kids of the last few generations from a very early age. If you want to be successful, you MUST go to college. Well, sure, for our parents who grew up in an era where a fraction of people went to college, and most of those people were successful, the logic makes sense. But in a generation where everyone gets a degree, it just becomes a logical fallacy. Because the workplace has multiple rungs on the ladder, and everyone cant be at the top. But if everyone has a degree, that's what theyre all expecting.

And of course now that the importance of collece has become a big public perception, politicians are swooping in with all sorts of rhetoric that isnt designed to be logically consistent, it's just desined to get idealists/posers like DeuceJenner to vote for them. And it works. It preys on the fashionable left wing "everyone gets a trophy" mentality, which is much cuddlier and sounds much better in a speech to dumb young people than the reality that everyone who earns a trophy gets one. Their peer group identity revolves around being champions of chasing the eternal carrot of equality. Obviously the message that if we just send everyone to college for free, it'll be all-aboard the Equality Train in no time! resonates with them.


The ONLY way to move closer to equality is through a population full of people that are resourceful, proactive, informed, and principled. You have to be actively involved in countering whatever forces may be working against you. That DOESNT MEAN electing someone to do that for you so you can go back to playing video games. Because they will not do it for you. Theyll toss you occasional bread crumbs that only look good by comparison to their designated political opponent, who's doing the same with his base. PEOPLE have to give a shit. And hardly anyone does. And no political system will churn equality from that mentality, no matter how hard idealists try to will it to be so.

[nightlight]

Sucks dude. You should be proud of people like me who defy the odds and exceed despite every statistic saying I wouldn't.



Aren't you the military guy? Studies have shown recruiting targets poor and minorities. How is that defying the odds? You're not an outlier.

Civilian welfare programs are where you draw the line. :roll:

[UK2K]

Aren't you the military guy? Studies have shown recruiting targets poor and minorities. How is that defying the odds? You're not an outlier.

Civilian welfare programs are where you draw the line. :roll:
Is that so?

I can throw out a number of statistics from educational to geographical to societal to financial that says that I am.

Be proud my friend. Don't fall for the 'tear others down to bring yourself up' ideology. There's nothing more I'd like to do than be an example of what it looks like when you don't blame everyone else for your problems.

If you want to get technical, by serving in a capacity that less than 1/10th of 1% ever do, alone, says that I'm unique.

[nathanjizzle]

you know whats unique? a young 22 year old who started a business out of a garage in the midst of a recession and 5 years later is making 6 figures from it.
and im a liberal. and conservatives who brag that they have a medial job is a joke, especially when they were collecting government checks during the recession.

[UK2K]

you know whats unique? a young 22 year old who started a business out of a garage in the midst of a recession and 5 years later is making 6 figures from it.
and im a liberal.
Very unique.

Congrats! Although you know, hard work and a positive attitude isnt reserved for one political party or other. It's reserved for those who accept the challenge as opposed to making up excuses why they cant.

Exhibit A

http://fox59.com/2016/06/03/teen-sells-newspapers-for-5-years-earns-enough-money-to-pay-for-college/

Kudos to this kid. Thankfully he took MY (or our) approach to life instead of spouting off reasons why he can't and blaming others for his problems, as many on this board would be quick to do if he ended up in the gutter as opposed to in a classroom.