GOAT statpadder?

[Dr Hawk]

Guess who. Easy question

[ArbitraryWater]

Dude went from 30 pts on 10-24 to a nigh 40 point game within seconds...

:biggums:


was crazy

people now acting like he was great dafuq

[feyki]

It's not easy , Wilt vs Lebron is tough question .

Even Shaq arguably a candidate .

Probably , Wilt for his meaningless scoring records and overrated rebound numbers .

[riseagainst]

19 points on 50%TS to 25 points on 50%FG. Jesus how garbage statpadding can affect boxscore image of a player. Story of his career.

:oldlol:
:biggums:

[sd3035]

Wilt and Lebron are miles ahead of anyone else

They are also top the mental midget category

[LAZERUSS]

It's not easy , Wilt vs Lebron is tough question .

Even Shaq arguably a candidate .

Probably , Wilt for his meaningless scoring records and overrated rebound numbers .

Yep..taking pure shit rosters to within an eyelash of beating Russell's HOF-laden teams, and doing so with 30-35 ppg series. All while slaughtering Russell in every conceivable way. Routinely hung 40 on him, and even buried him with a 50-35 game.

Of course, when he finally had an equal roster, that was healthy, and a HOF coach...well,...just annihlilated Russell and his eight-time defending champs...punctuated by a 29-36-13-7 clinching game (oh, and the "lamb" Russell in that same game... 4 pts, 21 rebounds, and 7 assists.)

And "over-rated rebound numbers?" You mean running away with the rpg title 11 times in his career, and often blowing Russell away in the process. And then crushing Russell in their eight post-season H2H's, as well. Yep..."over-rated" alright.

[feyki]

Yep..taking pure shit rosters to within an eyelash of beating Russell's HOF-laden teams, and doing so with 30-35 ppg series. All while slaughtering Russell in every conceivable way. Routinely hung 40 on him, and even buried him with a 50-35 game.

Of course, when he finally had an equal roster, that was healthy, and a HOF coach...well,...just annihlilated Russell and his eight-time defending champs...punctuated by a 29-36-13-7 clinching game (oh, and the "lamb" Russell in that same game... 4 pts, 21 rebounds, and 7 assists.)

And "over-rated rebound numbers?" You mean running away with the rpg title 11 times in his career, and often blowing Russell away in the process. And then crushing Russell in their eight post-season H2H's, as well. Yep..."over-rated" alright.

Thanks for the proofs .

[LAZERUSS]

Thanks for the proofs .

John Wooden:

Had Wilt swapped rosters, and coaches, with Russell, and it would have been Wilt holding all those rings.

[Dr Hawk]

Lebron James guys, the answer is Lebron James

[feyki]

John Wooden:

Had Wilt swapped rosters, and coaches, with Russell, and it would have been Wilt holding all those rings.

Fairytales ..

[LAZERUSS]

Fairytales ..

Wilt in a must win game against Russell... 46 points.

Russell in a must win game against Wilt... 4 points.

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

A major one was Moses Malone. He was the king of the "blow 2 layups just to get the offensive board to add to the totals and then finally lay it in......"

[feyki]

Wilt in a must win game against Russell... 46 points.

Russell in a must win game against Wilt... 4 points.

That's what i'm talking about .

[Euroleague]

Regular season Wilt is the biggest ever stat padder.

Post season Wilt is the least ever stat padder.

[Genaro]

Last night it was ridiculous show in the last minute by Bran. I mean. 9 point game with 54 seconds to go. The game is out of hand unless you go crazy from the 3pt line. What does he do? Goes for layups. 6 points in the last 45s from layups. (+ one from Kyrie in witch he tried to get the last assist for his triple double)
Why did he do this pathetic thing? He doesn't need that. Everybody knows he's a great player, the flopping and stat padding only make him look worse.

[zizozain]

the answer is Lebron James

and i apologize OP, i was wrong few months back

[Dr Hawk]

the answer is Lebron James

and i apologize OP, i was wrong few months back

:cheers:

[imdaman99]

Lebron stat padded but so did Curry at the end. He could have burned a few more seconds passing it around, but he wanted his memorable near 40 pt game so he let himself get fouled.

[tpols]

Lebron stat padded but so did Curry at the end. He could have burned a few more seconds passing it around, but he wanted his memorable near 40 pt game so he let himself get fouled.


curry was gonna be shooting FTs either way, thats common for any team thats up.. bron was like 8-18 or something, and the Cavs NEEDED a three, multiple three's actually, and bran kept taking conceded layups running on a statpad treadmill. If he had the balls to take the shot, he might miss and go 8-19, maybe 8-20, less points, more blame. So he took the LeB!tch way out. is what it is, but damn bran's been revealing his stripes lately.

[sd3035]

Lebron stat padded but so did Curry at the end. He could have burned a few more seconds passing it around, but he wanted his memorable near 40 pt game so he let himself get fouled.

Why not just put Bogut on and let him take the fouls :facepalm

[feyki]

Lebron stat padded but so did Curry at the end. He could have burned a few more seconds passing it around, but he wanted his memorable near 40 pt game so he let himself get fouled.

Yea , but he had great game rather than Lebron . He was on 32 points and with amazing efficiency .

[Psileas]

It's not easy , Wilt vs Lebron is tough question .

Even Shaq arguably a candidate .

Ιf Wilt was really a statpadder, he's obviously the GOAT, since he's the GOAT player overall.

[dontgetchoked]

Lebron stat padded but so did Curry at the end. He could have burned a few more seconds passing it around, but he wanted his memorable near 40 pt game so he let himself get fouled.
:coleman:

Curry is the best ft shooter in the league. You want him to take those shots free two points

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Lebron stat padded but so did Curry at the end. He could have burned a few more seconds passing it around, but he wanted his memorable near 40 pt game so he let himself get fouled.

Wait, what?

Why wouldn't Golden State want Curry on the line...to ice the game? :oldlol:

Not even remotely comparable to LeBron's shameless stat-padding, that was actually called out on NATIONAL television.

[Kblaze8855]

I suppose it depends on how you look at it. If you see it as an overall heavy concern about accumulating certian numbers you desire...quite a few people are worth a mention.

Wilt had 3 entire seasons where a stated goal was stat related. He wanted to lead the NBA in assists in 67 and 68...he did it one of the years often by kicking out offensive rebounds he could easily have scored himself. And in 62 his coached asked for 50 points a game....and played him all but 6 minutes of the season to get it(And he was ejected for that 6 minutes).

Those and Jordans triple double run are among the most obvious ones. Nobody really had a problem with it at the time beyond some jokes but:



LA Times, April 11, 1989:

Since switching to point guard for the Chicago Bulls, Michael Jordan has become statistic conscious. He has started checking with statisticians to see how close he is to a triple-double. He had a string of seven consecutive triple-doubles broken Friday night.

"The guys at the scorer's desk let me know what I need," Jordan said.

So, too, do the Bulls' assistant coaches.

"They keep reminding me when I get back to the huddle," Jordan said. "They say, 'You need three more of this. You need four more of that.'"


It happened. He was also dead set on the scoring title. In I think Phils first season he made some comments about wanting it and Phil holding him back. Phil would at times let him go back into games to score a quick 4-6 points and up his average. Kareem and Elvin Hayes had some arguments at one point about if the leagues scoring champ should be by total or PPG. It used to be by total....and one of them(cant remember which) made a comment along the lines of

"When they ask how many home runs Babe Ruth hit they dont mean per game!" because they felt cheated out of the scoring title when they had more points because they played more games.

Some smaller individual incidents I remember...

Lebron in a game vs I believe the Kicks when he was near a triple double and kept trying to get the assist. He got it...and after the game the reporter tells him he had the triple double and he looked her right in the eye and said he didnt know about all that. That was worth a laugh.

And Kobe vs the Sonics gunning to extend his 40 point streak and Phil being kinda salty about it later.

Rondo may have had the ugliest stat padded assist I ever saw when he refused to lay a ball in to wait for Ray allen to run down and do it on an uncontested break.

So I guess it comes down to....are you talking about being really into your stats in general or....playing out of character for a moment to get a specific number.

Id say the Wilt/Rodman/Rondo style where they will make it their everything to accumulate certian numbers they value....game after game...makes them the biggest stat padders. But it isnt always to the detriment of the team.

[3LiftHeatCurse]

http://tinyurl.com/jmmk78y

[Wade's Rings]

Wait, what?

Why wouldn't Golden State want Curry on the line...to ice the game? :oldlol:

Not even remotely comparable to LeBron's shameless stat-padding, that was actually called out on NATIONAL television.

Who called him out on National TV?

[feyki]

Ιf Wilt was really a statpadder, he's obviously the GOAT, since he's the GOAT player overall.

What are you talking about ? :coleman:

[LAZERUSS]

Bill Simmons claimed that Wilt selfishly padded his assists in that '68 season, as well.

I wonder how many of Chamberlain's teammates were upset when they had heard, or read, that Wilt wanted to lead the league in assists?

And, of course, because of Wilt's "selfishness", Chamberlain's Sixers ran away the best record in the league, as well.

What a "stats-padder."

[CuterThanRubio]

Elgin Baylor

Pure garbage

[LAZERUSS]

Elgin Baylor

Pure garbage

Agreed. Putting up a 40.6 ppg seven game Finals, and losing game seven in OT with by three points, with a 41 point game was shameless stats-padding.

[ClipperRevival]

John Wooden:

Had Wilt swapped rosters, and coaches, with Russell, and it would have been Wilt holding all those rings.

Laz,

You ALWAYS use this quote buddy. What you FAIL to realize is that Wooden was assuming that he would be getting a Wilt who maximizes his talents and not shrink when it matters most. Wilt was SUPPOSED to be better than Russell. He was 3-4 inches taller and had 30-50 lbs on the guy. Wilt couldn't match Russell's desire to win and that was the difference.

[jimmy77x]

Who called him out on National TV?

JVG

[LAZERUSS]

Laz,

You ALWAYS use this quote buddy. What you FAIL to realize is that Wooden was assuming that he would be getting a Wilt who maximizes his talents and not shrink when it matters most. Wilt was SUPPOSED to be better than Russell. He was 3-4 inches taller and had 30-50 lbs on the guy. Wilt couldn't match Russell's desire to win and that was the difference.

Russell was drafted, after a trade for Ed McCauley, by a Boston team that had the second best record in the league the year before. BUT, he was only their SECOND pick in that draft. They also drafted future HOFer Tommy Heinsohn. Again, to an already strong roster. They also added KC Jones in the same draft.

How good was that Boston team that Russell joined in his rookie season? Well, Russell missed 24 games that season, and the Celtics went 16-8 in them...and 28-20 in the games he played.

Then, the next year, they added Sam Jones. And the parade would continue. By the early 60's they added John Havlicek. And each season Auerbach would acquire additional pieces. For example, he added HOFer Clyde Lovellette, who had scored 20 ppg just the year before, to a HOF-laden roster. Guess what? Lovellette would be their eighth best player.

In the mid-60's they acquired players like Wayne Embry, and career 20 ppg scorer Bailey Howell.

Year-after-year, stacked rosters.


Wilt?

Drafted in high school, by a team that would finish in last place the season before he arrived. And each season, they would get older, and worse. The entire dynamic was to have Wilt do EVERYTHING.

While it was widely acknowledged by even Russell's teammates, that Russell had a TON of help in defending Chamberlain...on the other side, Wilt was not only expected to handle Russell one-on-one, but basically defend the entire Celtic team.

Read up on the '62 EDF's. In game seven, and in the last couple of minutes, Wilt was called for a very questionable goal-tend...against Sam Jones. Of course, it was Chamberlain who scored Philly's last five points to pull the Warriors into a tie. And then in the last seconds, it was Jones again hitting a game-winner...over the outstretched fingertips of...you guessed it...Wilt.

Wilt had a new coach in his '64 season. Alex Hannum. And Hannum was shocked to find out that the Warrior roster had become so dependent on Wilt, that they had forgotten the fundamentals of the game. Somehow Chamberlain took that rag-tag roster to a 48-32 record, and the single-handedly wiped out the much more talented Hawks in the WDF's with a 39-23- .559 series...which included a 39-26-10 game seven.

There is footage of the second half of game four of the '64 Finals on YouTube. Again, Wilt was basically carrying a last-place roster in that Finals, and doing so against a Celtic team with EIGHT HOFers. Near the end of a one point game, Heinsohn comes across the FT line, and takes a shot...and it is Wilt who leaps out an challenged him to the point that it was a wild miss. unfortunately for Wilt, and in one of the few times in their career H2H's, Russell grabbed the offensive rebound and put in the game winner. Of course, had Heinsohn not been roaming around freely, Russell would never have had that opportunity.

Continued...

[LAZERUSS]

Continuing...

The following season, a desperate Warrior organization, fearful of a Wilt with a heart condition, traded Chamberlain at mid-season, to the Sixers for three players. This was a Sixer team that had gone 34-46 with those three players just the year before. So, again, Chamberlain was joining a bottom feeder.

Wilt then took that team, which could only go .500 with him in the last half of that season, and an overall 40-40...past Oscar's stacked 48-32 Royals in the first round...including a monster clinching performance of 38 points, 26 rebounds, and 10 blocked shots.

Chamberlain then took that roster, to a game seven, one point loss, against a Celtic team that had gone 62-18. And in that seventh game, Wilt scored Philly's last eight points, including 2-2 from the line, and then a dunk over Russell with five seconds left...to pull the Sixers to within 110-109. And how about the "clutch" Russell after that dunk? He hit the guidewire on the inbounds pass, giving the ball back to the Sixers under their own basket. Alas...and as almost always...one of Russell's teammates came up huge...this time Hondo, who stole the inbounds pass. In that seventh game, Chamberlain outscored Russell, 30-15, outshot Russell, 12-15 to 7-16, and outrebounded Russell, 32-29. And in that series, all Wilt could do was outscore Russell, per game, 30.1 to 15.6 ppg; outrebound Russell, per game, 31.4 to 25.2 rpg; and outshoot Russell from the floor, .555 to .447. Oh, and he also outshot Russell from the line, .583 to .472.

THAT was what Chamberlain faced in his first six seasons in the league. He basically had to battle Russell and his HOF-laden rosters single-handedly. And he nearly beat them in '60, '62, and '65. And even in the 4-1 Finals of '64, the last two games were decided in the waning seconds.

Now, swap rosters in those six seasons, and how many rings do Wilt and Russell end up with?

That covers the first six years of their 10 years in the league together. I'll cover the next four a little later.

[FireDavidKahn]

Wilt.

Easily.

Always went for stats instead of wins.

Choker.

[stephanieg]

The Utah stat keepers during the Stockton era.

[CuterThanRubio]

The Utah stat keepers during the Stockton era.

Thank you so much for spreading the gospel!

I tried telling these guys!

Nice to see my influence catching on

[Wade's Rings]

JVG

Thanks.

[AceManIII]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/93/Wilt_Chamberlain_100-point.jpg

[Asukal]

Wilt.

Easily.

Always went for stats instead of wins.

Choker.

He couldn't stat pad in the finals tho. :oldlol: :lol :roll:

[Dr Hawk]

He couldn't stat pad in the finals tho. :oldlol: :lol :roll:

Yeah. Lebron is able to stat pad even in the Finals.

He doesn't care about winning. Stats!

[FireDavidKahn]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/93/Wilt_Chamberlain_100-point.jpg
# of ***** he has had up his ass.

Wilt has gay

[mr4speed]

Continuing...

The following season, a desperate Warrior organization, fearful of a Wilt with a heart condition, traded Chamberlain at mid-season, to the Sixers for three players. This was a Sixer team that had gone 34-46 with those three players just the year before. So, again, Chamberlain was joining a bottom feeder.

Wilt then took that team, which could only go .500 with him in the last half of that season, and an overall 40-40...past Oscar's stacked 48-32 Royals in the first round...including a monster clinching performance of 38 points, 26 rebounds, and 10 blocked shots.

Chamberlain then took that roster, to a game seven, one point loss, against a Celtic team that had gone 62-18. And in that seventh game, Wilt scored Philly's last eight points, including 2-2 from the line, and then a dunk over Russell with five seconds left...to pull the Sixers to within 110-109. And how about the "clutch" Russell after that dunk? He hit the guidewire on the inbounds pass, giving the ball back to the Sixers under their own basket. Alas...and as almost always...one of Russell's teammates came up huge...this time Hondo, who stole the inbounds pass. In that seventh game, Chamberlain outscored Russell, 30-15, outshot Russell, 12-15 to 7-16, and outrebounded Russell, 32-29. And in that series, all Wilt could do was outscore Russell, per game, 30.1 to 15.6 ppg; outrebound Russell, per game, 31.4 to 25.2 rpg; and outshoot Russell from the floor, .555 to .447. Oh, and he also outshot Russell from the line, .583 to .472.

THAT was what Chamberlain faced in his first six seasons in the league. He basically had to battle Russell and his HOF-laden rosters single-handedly. And he nearly beat them in '60, '62, and '65. And even in the 4-1 Finals of '64, the last two games were decided in the waning seconds.

Now, swap rosters in those six seasons, and how many rings do Wilt and Russell end up with?

That covers the first six years of their 10 years in the league together. I'll cover the next four a little later.

Great read = thank you for such a detailed post!!

[mr4speed]

Continuing...

The following season, a desperate Warrior organization, fearful of a Wilt with a heart condition, traded Chamberlain at mid-season, to the Sixers for three players. This was a Sixer team that had gone 34-46 with those three players just the year before. So, again, Chamberlain was joining a bottom feeder.

Wilt then took that team, which could only go .500 with him in the last half of that season, and an overall 40-40...past Oscar's stacked 48-32 Royals in the first round...including a monster clinching performance of 38 points, 26 rebounds, and 10 blocked shots.

Chamberlain then took that roster, to a game seven, one point loss, against a Celtic team that had gone 62-18. And in that seventh game, Wilt scored Philly's last eight points, including 2-2 from the line, and then a dunk over Russell with five seconds left...to pull the Sixers to within 110-109. And how about the "clutch" Russell after that dunk? He hit the guidewire on the inbounds pass, giving the ball back to the Sixers under their own basket. Alas...and as almost always...one of Russell's teammates came up huge...this time Hondo, who stole the inbounds pass. In that seventh game, Chamberlain outscored Russell, 30-15, outshot Russell, 12-15 to 7-16, and outrebounded Russell, 32-29. And in that series, all Wilt could do was outscore Russell, per game, 30.1 to 15.6 ppg; outrebound Russell, per game, 31.4 to 25.2 rpg; and outshoot Russell from the floor, .555 to .447. Oh, and he also outshot Russell from the line, .583 to .472.

THAT was what Chamberlain faced in his first six seasons in the league. He basically had to battle Russell and his HOF-laden rosters single-handedly. And he nearly beat them in '60, '62, and '65. And even in the 4-1 Finals of '64, the last two games were decided in the waning seconds.

Now, swap rosters in those six seasons, and how many rings do Wilt and Russell end up with?

That covers the first six years of their 10 years in the league together. I'll cover the next four a little later.

Great read = thank you for such a detailed post!!

[sd3035]

The Utah stat keepers during the Stockton era.

like the Cavs stat keepers now. Lebald gets credited for assists when he touches the ball last before teammates juke out defenders with multiple dribbles and hit contested shots