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rezznor
06-12-2016, 06:41 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/12/middleeast/qatar-dutch-woman-rape-report-held/index.html


Abu Dhabi (CNN)A Dutch woman who reported being raped while on holiday in Qatar has been jailed since mid-March and could face charges of adultery, according to her lawyer.

The 22-year-old woman, whom CNN has identified only as Laura, was at a hotel bar having drinks with a friend, but then had a drink that made her feel "very unwell," according to Brian Lokollo, a lawyer who was hired by the woman's family.
She reportedly woke up in an unfamiliar location and realized "to her great horror" that she had been raped after her drink was spiked, Lokollo said.
When she reported the rape to the police, she herself was imprisoned.
"I don't know what the charges are. To my knowledge she is being held in custody because she reported that she was raped," Lokollo told CNN Sunday.
Charges unknown
According to Lokollo, she is due to appear before a judge in the Qatari capital Monday where the official charges will be heard for the first time.

The Dutch government and its embassy in Doha are in close contact with the defendant and her family in the Netherlands, according to a statement from the embassy.
"We have provided assistance to her since the first day of detention. For the sake of the defendant's case we will not make further comments at this point," the statement added.
The Qatari authorities could not immediately be reached for comment.
Norwegian woman pardoned, released

Adultery a crime
"Adultery," or "fornication outside of marriage," is a crime in Qatar as well as other countries in the conservative Muslim Gulf regardless of the marital status of those involved.
According to Qatar's Penal Code 2004 (Law No. 11), "anyone who copulates with a female above sixteen without compulsion, duress or ruse is convicted to no more than seven years in prison. The same penalty is also imposed on the female for her consent."
In the nearby United Arab Emirates in 2013, a Norwegian woman who reported being raped by a colleague was sentenced to 16 months in jail, charged for having unlawful sex, making a false statement and the illegal consumption of alcohol.
Marte Deborah Dalelv was later pardoned by Dubai's ruler.

Dresta
06-12-2016, 06:46 PM
Nope, no clash of cultures whatever when people from these areas move to western nations that permit licentiousness more than they ever have in the past. No sirrree, no possibility of friction or conflict there.

Long Duck Dong
06-12-2016, 08:12 PM
Look at the maps for the worst human rights abuses for women and the LGBT community. Then look at a map of the areas with the largest Muslim populations. They practically overlap each other.

Coincidence? Only to an idiot.

bdreason
06-12-2016, 08:40 PM
And this place is hosting a World Cup. It's like open-rape season over there because if a woman reports the assault, she goes to prison. :facepalm

bluechox2
06-12-2016, 09:17 PM
qatar is building the worlds largest female Jail/olympic sanctuary to hold all the womens events
you need to get raped to qualify

KyrieTheFuture
06-12-2016, 09:19 PM
Is Rape an Olympic event? Muslim countries will take Gold, Silver and Bronze

brownmamba00
06-13-2016, 03:43 AM
Is Rape an Olympic event? Muslim countries will take Gold, Silver and Bronze
lol if raping foreign women and killing off whole civilizations was a sport, christian white people would be the heavyweight champion.

as a black guy you should know more about that

9erempiree
06-13-2016, 03:59 AM
lol if raping foreign women and killing off whole civilizations was a sport, christian white people would be the heavyweight champion.

as a black guy you should know more about that

That tolerance. :lol

Love how the leftists and their true feelings come out when it doesn't go their way.

LJJ
06-13-2016, 04:20 AM
Crazy that big media reports a story like this with no research or confirmation. This story was part of a gossip tv show here and the only source of the information is her estranged mother.

The story on the DL is that she is a prostitute who often goes to Qatar and Dubai on "work" trips. One of her clients decided he didn't have to pay, they got into a fight and she decided to go to the police.

Not that it isn't still awful that someone is jailed for "adultery", but the events and the story seem very murky for now. The media attention worked though. Because of all the media attention they are simply deporting her.

Dresta
06-13-2016, 08:54 AM
lol if raping foreign women and killing off whole civilizations was a sport, christian white people would be the heavyweight champion.

as a black guy you should know more about that
IF building countries that the rest of the world is desperate to break into were a sport, then Christian white people would be winning that one too. It's not coincidence that nearly all the countries in which people want to live are Christian countries, born of Christian civilisation. The modern civilised world is a product of Christianity, and ass-backwards civilisations were dying out long before "white Christians" had anything to do with it.

And yeah, shitty civilisations, with stupid and unsustainable customs, die out (sometimes even impressive ones like Carthage perish!)--that is and has always been the way of the world. They either crumble under the weight of their own stupidity, or are too weak to stand up to their competitors. That is how the world has progressed from hunter-gatherer squalor to what it is today (violence and conquest and survival). England as a political unity was formed by Alfred, for example, as the only way to repel Viking invaders, who had been ravaging the land for years, and now looked to completely conquer it--without the unity Christianity provided to these people, they would have been separate bodies (like the Greek city states) and thus would have perished. And lol @ your thinking white christians stand out in this respect. Do you have any idea how many civilisations died/ were wiped out before Christianity even existed?

Christianity, unlike Islam, conquered from the bottom up (i.e. it was adopted by Constantine and Theodosius because its practice was so widespread); Islam was imposed from the top down from its very beginnings. Big difference. Both obviously have significant utility and staying power (or they would not have lasted), but you have to admit that one is more compatible with the modern civilised world that most ISHers call their home than the other. Tis just an undeniable fact. Not only is Islam a threat to native culture (see the reintroducing of blasphemy laws all over Europe to appease muslims), but muslims see the West as a threat to their own culture (and they are)--the forces at work are mutually antagonistic.

NumberSix
06-13-2016, 08:55 AM
lol if raping foreign women and killing off whole civilizations was a sport, Ottoman Turks would be the heavyweight champion.

fixed.

JEFFERSON MONEY
06-13-2016, 09:21 AM
Bless her heart if it is pure, she will escape all authority and appeal to pure Being

Akrazotile
06-13-2016, 10:49 AM
lol if raping foreign women and killing off whole civilizations was a sport, christian white people would be the heavyweight champion.

as a black guy you should know more about that


Tbh, European societies rarely did this 'for sport' throughout history. It was almost always as part of some kind of economic gain/expansion.

The middle eastern region has been known throughout history (this is not just a modern day perception/stereotype) for its peoples' extremely savage blood lust. Since the days of the Assyrians, the Saracens, the Berbers... they well were known for extremely violent tempers and unparalleled cruelty. It's just part of the culture.

Long Duck Dong
06-13-2016, 11:12 AM
Bless her heart if it is pure, she will escape all authority and appeal to pure Being

Not too long ago you were asking what is so wrong about implementing Sharia Law into western society. According to Sharia Law, if this woman cannot find 4 male witnesses to back up her claim of rape, then she's just an adulterer who might need to be punished right?

Backwards ass religion. :facepalm

brownmamba00
06-13-2016, 11:26 AM
IF building countries that the rest of the world is desperate to break into were a sport, then Christian white people would be winning that one too.
yeah after they plundered and looted the Congo, Algeria, Afghanistan, India, Iraq and other ME and African countries untill the locals had nothing left but a hungry stomach, no future, dead relatives and anger against the West.

same thing in Syria...everybody knows who started the war but the same people can't clean up the shit that is the refugee problem. Laying back and collecting money is all your shitty goverments can do.

Yall need to lose this superiority complex because your leaders have always been part of the problem...not the solution.



Islam was imposed from the top down from its very beginnings

one of Muhammed's first followers were black slaves

and if you really think Islam was imposed on the poor you need to double check the life of the Prophet of Islam.

Dresta
06-13-2016, 11:47 AM
yeah after they plundered and looted the Congo, Algeria, Afghanistan, India, Iraq and other ME and African countries untill the locals had nothing left but a hungry stomach, no future, dead relatives and anger against the West.

same thing in Syria...everybody knows who started the war but the same people can't clean up the shit that is the refugee problem. Laying back and collecting money is all your shitty goverments can do.

Yall need to lose this superiority complex because your leaders have always been part of the problem...not the solution.

one of Muhammed's first followers were black slaves

and if you really think Islam was imposed on the poor you need to double check the life of the Prophet of Islam.
Sorry, but that's just wrong. The European powers were major world powers and were some of the best countries to live in, long before they started reaping the benefits of colonialism. Colonialism itself was a product (and perpetuator) of success rather than the cause of it. And expansion is an important part of survival. Rome did not set up to create an Empire, it simply grew into one, as after many wars and invasions its leaders recognised the need for a sphere of influence and a network of subordinate allies to protect it from foreign invasion and/or destruction (as happened to Carthage).

And yeah, i'm as critical of western politicians as anyone. But such things are usually the consequence of success: decadence, decay, apathy, corruption and the abuse of power, all stem from the comforts and conveniences of modern life, combined with a foolish system of governance (totalist mass democracy). I'm hardly uncritical of the post-Christian way of life, you know, and in some respects prefer and respect Islamic civilisation more than it (especially in that they haven't consigned the notion of manly valour into the dustbin like we have); but that doesn't stop me from recognising their fundamental incompatibility. Countries with large amounts of muslim migration will either become more Islamic, or the Islam of the migrants will become diluted (which means its gradual death a la Christianity in western nations), or both; this process spawns conflict and backlashes, and we are already seeing it, and it can only get worse.

Long Duck Dong
06-13-2016, 11:55 AM
yeah after they plundered and looted the Congo, Algeria, Afghanistan, India, Iraq and other ME and African countries untill the locals had nothing left but a hungry stomach, no future, dead relatives and anger against the West.

same thing in Syria...everybody knows who started the war but the same people can't clean up the shit that is the refugee problem. Laying back and collecting money is all your shitty goverments can do.

Yall need to lose this superiority complex because your leaders have always been part of the problem...not the solution.




one of Muhammed's first followers were black slaves

and if you really think Islam was imposed on the poor you need to double check the life of the Prophet of Islam.

Muhammed was a slave owner. He was a "cracker" long before American whites were. :oldlol: He also bartered women away like cattle. :facepalm

brownmamba00
06-13-2016, 12:03 PM
Sorry, but that's just wrong. The European powers were major world powers and were some of the best countries to live in, long before they started reaping the benefits of colonialism. Colonialism itself was a product (and perpetuator) of success rather than the cause of it. And expansion is an important part of survival. Rome did not set up to create an Empire, it simply grew into one, as after many wars and invasions its leaders recognised the need for a sphere of influence and a network of subordinate allies to protect it from foreign invasion and/or destruction (as happened to Carthage).

And yeah, i'm as critical of western politicians as anyone. But such things are usually the consequence of success: decadence, decay, apathy, corruption and the abuse of power, all stem from the comforts and conveniences of modern life, combined with a foolish system of governance (totalist mass democracy). I'm hardly uncritical of the post-Christian way of life, you know, and in some respects prefer and respect Islamic civilisation more than it (especially in that they haven't consigned the notion of manly valour into the dustbin like we have); but that doesn't stop me from recognising their fundamental incompatibility. Countries with large amounts of muslim migration will either become more Islamic, or the Islam of the migrants will become diluted (which means its gradual death a la Christianity in western nations), or both; this process spawns conflict and backlashes, and we are already seeing it, and it can only get worse.
No need to go all the way back to the Romans

medieval times were very harsh times in europe (the plague, the corrupt society classes, witch hunts, a corrupt central catholic church that took bribes in the form of indulgences, inquisitions on jews, the crusades, horrible hygiene, etc)

most christo european countries were inhabitable shitholes back in the 16 and 17th centuries and were drivin by absolutism. ''God chosen'' Kings who didn't give a shit about their people.
that all changed when colonialism and the enlightenment came around.

I do agree with your second paragraph

NumberSix
06-13-2016, 01:06 PM
yeah after they plundered and looted the Congo, Algeria, Afghanistan, India, Iraq and other ME and African countries untill the locals had nothing left but a hungry stomach, no future, dead relatives and anger against the West.

same thing in Syria...everybody knows who started the war but the same people can't clean up the shit that is the refugee problem. Laying back and collecting money is all your shitty goverments can do.

Yall need to lose this superiority complex because your leaders have always been part of the problem...not the solution.




one of Muhammed's first followers were black slaves

and if you really think Islam was imposed on the poor you need to double check the life of the Prophet of Islam.
I guess that's why westerners came up with the idea that leaders should have limited power. That's a pretty superior idea.

JEFFERSON MONEY
06-21-2016, 05:39 PM
Muhammed was a slave owner. He was a "cracker" long before American whites were. :oldlol: He also bartered women away like cattle. :facepalm

Incorrect as always. I feel bad for you Long Duck Dong. Whoever you are. You must have been mistreated and deprived of education, man. Maybe one day things can get better.

Slavery and exploitation of the poor were very common among the Arab tribes, not unlike how serfs were downtrodden elsewhere.
Muhammad (PBUH) received a slave from his first wife, Khadija, named Zaid. Zaid's father and uncle (who had lost their son earlier) had later come to retrieve him. Zaid had the chance to go to his father (a free man) and personally chose to remain in Muhammad (PBUH) household. Muhammad later adopted Zaid as a son-in-law. Keep in mind that Muhammad was a) illiterate b) had very little wealth c) had zero parents d) had a huge mission ahead of him and e) was constantly being encouraged by richer people (who respected his character) to come chill with them/abuse the ones in a more unfortunate position and saw poor people, minorities, women, being treated like crap.

He never, ever, partook in any of this commonplace abusive behavior.

JEFFERSON MONEY
06-21-2016, 05:43 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/12/middleeast/qatar-dutch-woman-rape-report-held/index.html

Again, rezznor, you can choose to
A) whine about other peoples cultures without putting any action to it. Also, completely forget that there is higher quality food, NO INTEREST, MANDATORY CHARITY, and solid fairer family laws; things that would actually benefit the United States.

or

B) Realize this topic (i.e. rape and injustice) is something disturbing YOUR heart for a reason. You don't have to disclose the reason, but you do have to answer to God as we all do for our sins.

Nick Young
06-21-2016, 05:49 PM
Incorrect as always. I feel bad for you Long Duck Dong. Whoever you are. You must have been mistreated and deprived of education, man. Maybe one day things can get better.

Slavery and exploitation of the poor were very common among the Arab tribes, not unlike how serfs were downtrodden elsewhere.
Muhammad (PBUH) received a slave from his first wife, Khadija, named Zaid. Zaid's father and uncle (who had lost their son earlier) had later come to retrieve him. Zaid had the chance to go to his father (a free man) and personally chose to remain in Muhammad (PBUH) household. Muhammad later adopted Zaid as a son-in-law. Keep in mind that Muhammad was a) illiterate b) had very little wealth c) had zero parents d) had a huge mission ahead of him and e) was constantly being encouraged by richer people (who respected his character) to come chill with them/abuse the ones in a more unfortunate position and saw poor people, minorities, women, being treated like crap.

He never, ever, partook in any of this commonplace abusive behavior.
Slavery is still very common in Islamic countries.

Islamic countries are the biggest current practitioners of slavery in the world.

Islamic traders are also responsible for reintroducing slavery to Europeans after it had been outlawed across most of Europe for hundreds of years due to the influence of Christianity (though of course serfs and indentured servants are basically slaves in all but name, at least they were not treated like draft animals the same way Muslims treated their slaves.

This tradition of slavery in Islam has lasted throughout the religion's entire history and is still going strong.

These are just facts dude. The Hadiths and Koran both promote slavery.

Yes the old testament promoted slavery, but in the New Testament, it is pretty clear that God decided slavery was wrong. Why did Islam not adapt that part of the Christian tradition?


Do you know is there any type of modern reformation movement in Islam that is against human slavery?

JEFFERSON MONEY
06-21-2016, 06:17 PM
You're right in some aspects, Nick. Islamic Countries need tremendous amount of work. Iran, overall is doing the best job. Bangladesh needs to do something to help the female textile factory workers. The various nations of Africa. etc

But you falsely utilize your anti-Islamic agenda to distract others from assuming other nations don't have slavery.

You don't think owing debt for pursuing secondary education or a mortgage is a shade of slavery? You don't think being a sex slave worker in Thailand isn't slavery? You don't think being a serf. Or being tied to a company who if you so much as fail to comply to, you can potentially lose your house and your welfare?
Slavery doesn't need any "official" label to it.

All people suffer from infringements upon their freedom. Actually being forced to work in the fields by gunpoint, is only one shade of it, dude. There are thousands in America who are enshackled to many, many things; ranging from substances.

Look at Harry Browne's work "Freedom in an Unfree World."

Surat Balad.
(90:11, 90:12, 90:13, 90:14)
"Have we not shown man two ways?
"But he has not broken through the difficult aspects?"
"And what can make you known what is breaking through the difficult pass?"
"It is the freeing of a slave"

The Qu'ran doesn't "PROMOTE" slavery. It PROMOTES freeing of slaves and doesn't explicitly forbid; slavery because there are going to be slaves from the beginning until the end. People from all walks of life are born in horrible, awful, terrible situations. It's up to the fortunate among use our freewill to walk the straight path, avoid loans, and aid people in their pursuit of freedom.

Andrew Jackson FOUGHT TOOTH AND NAIL against the National Bank that now impoverishes the vast majority of mankind in the West.

Allah Almighty FORBIDDED interest through all His religions, yet it's alive and kicking. The rich are scared sh!tless that the poor might rob them so they are putting in resources to up the security, while the poor feel they can't live tomorrow so they are destroying themselves. Dresta can insert an analysis through the Marxian perspective.


Ugh. in the tiem I took to write this post I could've used this energy to go one more day without food and water and use the cash saved to help others. Why do I get sucked into these pointless debates. Woe is me.

Nick Young
06-21-2016, 06:32 PM
I apologize. I was not intending to suggest that ONLY Islamic nations have slavery. Even the nations I love the USA and Israel have big problems with human trafficking.

I only mentioned Islamic nations because, atleast according to a charity I once worked at for helping Nepalese sex slaves, the literature had a map of human slavery and Middle Eastern and Islamic nations in Africa were the biggest current practitioners of slavery.

I did not bring up other cultures with slavery with intention to be deceitful.

I apologize if it came across this way. The topic is related to Islam, which is why I only mentioned Islamic nations.

tomtucker
06-22-2016, 10:24 AM
Nope, no clash of cultures whatever when people from these areas move to western nations that permit licentiousness more than they ever have in the past. No sirrree, no possibility of friction or conflict there.
:oldlol: :applause:

tomtucker
06-22-2016, 10:29 AM
And this place is hosting a World Cup. It's like open-rape season over there because if a woman reports the assault, she goes to prison. :facepalm
shit mane.......where can i get tickets !? :eek: :rockon: