Stephen A absolutely CRUCIFIES Lebron over game 4 performance - "He did nothing"

[jayfan]

Questions his stones and his intent. Says he seemed scared and seemed more concerned about his numbers than winning.

https://youtu.be/Zp-zWwBYSAc?t=110


It may be over for Lebron.


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[Born Sinner]

Lebron is so gay :lol

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Another media member, who is actually a LeBron fan, calling him out for SHAMELESS stat padding. :oldlol: Its weird considering ESPN typically goes into a full-induced PANIC wanting to sweep everything negative he does under the rug. Truly unprecedented.

Shaq, Duncan and Kobe all had elongated and sustained recognition as kings of their eras. LeBron maybe had 3 or 4 years where he was recognized as that, and now Curry has upped him without looking back. Steph and the Warriors have put a nail in LeBron's proverbial "legacy" coffin.

[LeFraud James]

To be quite honest, I for one am elated things played out the way they did.

Everyone is finally seeing LeBron for not only the player that he is, but also the disgraceful human being he has become.

[Akrazotile]

Another media member, who is actually a LeBron fan, calling him out for SHAMELESS stat padding. :oldlol: Its weird considering ESPN typically goes into a full-induced PANIC wanting to sweep everything negative he does under the rug. Truly unprecedented.

Shaq, Duncan and Kobe all had elongated and sustained recognition as kings of their eras. LeBron maybe had 3 or 4 years where he was recognized as that, and now Curry has upped him without looking back. Steph and the Warriors have put a nail in LeBron's proverbial "legacy" coffin.


Lol @ 3-4 years at the top.

He's flat out won the MVP itself 4 times, and was also the public consensus best player in the years the media gave the award to Kobe, Rose, and Durant respectively. So that's at LEAST seven years.

Good try tho :lol

[game3524]

Another media member, who is actually a LeBron fan, calling him out for SHAMELESS stat padding. :oldlol: Its weird considering ESPN typically goes into a full-induced PANIC wanting to sweep everything negative he does under the rug. Truly unprecedented.

Shaq, Duncan and Kobe all had elongated and sustained recognition as kings of their eras. LeBron maybe had 3 or 4 years where he was recognized as that, and now Curry has upped him without looking back. Steph and the Warriors have put a nail in LeBron's proverbial "legacy" coffin.

I said this back in November, Lebron is going to end up as the "Hakeem" of this era.

[Born Sinner]

Another media member, who is actually a LeBron fan, calling him out for SHAMELESS stat padding. :oldlol: Its weird considering ESPN typically goes into a full-induced PANIC wanting to sweep everything negative he does under the rug. Truly unprecedented.

Shaq, Duncan and Kobe all had elongated and sustained recognition as kings of their eras. LeBron maybe had 3 or 4 years where he was recognized as that, and now Curry has upped him without looking back. Steph and the Warriors have put a nail in LeBron's proverbial "legacy" coffin.
Lol wtf
LeGays only year on top was 2012

[game3524]

Lol @ 3-4 years at the top.

He's flat out won the MVP itself 4 times, and was also the public consensus best player in the years the media gave the award to Kobe, Rose, and Durant respectively. So that's at LEAST seven years.

Good try tho :lol

No one gives a shit about MVPs.:oldlol:

Nash and Malone have two, while Shaq and Kobe have one....no one cares. It is about championships, and if Lebron's legacy is going to take a hit if Curry ends up with two and god forbid he three-peats.

Can't be the best of your era, when someone else is dominating the ring count.

[NBAGOAT]

I said this back in November, Lebron is going to end up as the "Hakeem" of this era.

:biggums: wat in the hell are you guys talking about, Hakeem had 2 years where he was king. Shaq was king from 00-02 duncan 03-05 and kobe 06-08. That's only 3 years for each of them.

[Akrazotile]

Lol wtf
LeGays only year on top was 2012


You know what? Ive had just about enough of you.

GET THE **** OFF INSIDEHOOPS. NOW.

[dazzer87]

SAS isa lebron stan too....:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Akrazotile]

No one gives a shit about MVPs.:oldlol:

Nash and Malone have two, while Shaq and Kobe have one....no one cares. It is about championships, and if Lebron's legacy is going to take a hit if Curry ends up with two and god forbid he three-peats.

Can't be the best of your era, when someone else is dominating the ring count.


Shaq has 3 finals MVP's. And Kobe is not a top 10 player, therefore he belongs in the discussion with Nash and Malone, not Lebron and Shaq.

[kamil]

https://youtu.be/Zp-zWwBYSAc?t=110


Typical no call stiff arm / push off at 2:25

http://i67.tinypic.com/2598qe1.png

[game3524]

:biggums: wat in the hell are you guys talking about, Hakeem had 2 years where he was king. Shaq was king from 00-02 duncan 03-05 and kobe 06-08. That's only 3 years for each of them.

Hakeem is seen as a transitional champion, a dude who held the title while Jordan is away.

And lol at this arbitrary three years cut offs. Between 2000-2009, Kobe has won 5 titles, Shaq won 4 and Duncan won 3. That is all anyone is going to remember when they look back at 2000s era.

[NBAGOAT]

Hakeem is seen as a transitional champion, a dude who held the title while Jordan is away.

I get that, was disagreeing more with the part about Lebron just being the next Hakeem. 4 years as best in the league isn't transitional.

[LeFraud James]

Shaq has 3 finals MVP's. And Kobe is not a top 10 player, therefore he belongs in the discussion with Nash and Malone, not Lebron and Shaq.

:oldlol:

Delusional.

[Just2McFly]

To be quite honest, I for one am elated things played out the way they did.

Everyone is finally seeing LeBron for not only the player that he is, but also the disgraceful human being he has become.
the n*gga dribbles a ball fam, holy you guys take this shit too far

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Lol @ 3-4 years at the top.

He's flat out won the MVP itself 4 times, and was also the public consensus best player in the years the media gave the award to Kobe, Rose, and Durant respectively. So that's at LEAST seven years.

Good try tho :lol

Huh? Nash won MVP 2 times and was never the best player. Media awards mean shit and aren't always conducive to results.

I'm not saying LeBron was never the best player, just not as long as fanboys like yourself pretend. Playing in that sh*t conference has bloated his resume, numbers and impact. Don't believe me? Name another player who's had as many peers flagrantly disrespect him as LeBron's had. :oldlol:

[game3524]

I get that, was disagreeing more with the part about Lebron just being the next Hakeem. 4 years as best in the league isn't transitional.

I don't care if he was the best player in the league during the regular season, you know who was also like that Peyton Manning and no one puts him in the Montana/Brady class.

Lebron has been hyped up as one of the 5-10 greatest players of all-time, but how can you be a top 10 guy if you didn't even dominate your decade? I mean he has no excuse, by the time 2010 can around, Shaq was done and Duncan and Kobe were starting to slide, he has had this entire decade to himself and if he only finish with two rings.....I am sorry people are going to start questioning where he really stands among the greats.

[NBAGOAT]

I don't care if he was the best player in the league during the regular season, you know who was also like that Peyton Manning and no one puts him in the Montana/Brady class.

Lebron has been hyped up as one of the 5-10 greatest players of all-time, but how can you been a top 10 guy if you didn't even dominate your decade? I mean he has no excuse, by the time 2010 can around, Shaq was done and Duncan and Kobe were starting to slide, he has had this entire decade to himself and if he only finish with two rings.....I am sorry people are going to start questioning where he really stands among the greats.

plenty of people would put Manning in that Montana/Brady class. Individual play just doesn't matter as much in football even at qb. Again, Shaq technically only won 3 rings as the man that decade. Same for Duncan and Kobe has 2-3 rings as the man depending which stans you ask. Is 2 really that much worse than 3? Again very few are like MJ and can completely dominate a decade like that.

[DMAVS41]

Kobe did not have an elongated time as king of an era.

The dude had, at most, a 3 year stretch where this is true...and even then that is likely high because his team was irrelevant for two of those years and in the other year his team got destroyed in the finals as a favorite and he was hardly dominant on the big stage.

Lebron having flaws in his game and his jump shot shrinking, yet again, on the big stage...while true, does not somehow make Kobe (or any player) a different player.

Kobe's flaws were just different. Kobe almost never shrunk from a moment...and if he did...it wasn't out of fear...it was to prove a childish point or something like that. But Kobe had his flaws as well. He was too selfish, he took too many bad shots, he played lazy defense way too often, he wasn't very efficient (nor were his teams) in crunch time...etc.

So yes...It's good that people are actually calling out Lebron for his inept play. Just like he was inept last year in the finals overall...I find it funny that the same people praising Lebron last year for his "numbers" are now saying "numbers" don't matter. A year late to the party mates....Lebron's lack of ability to take and make jump shots is the death of this team. Full stop. All the rest is just fringe noise that doesn't move the needle much.

And that is why 2/7 actually has meaning...not in and of itself, but because there are basketball reasons why Lebron led teams have failed to win. I, never in a million years, would have thought if you have Lebron these kind of teams...in the ****ing East mind you...from 11 to present that he'd only win 2 titles.

So first point is that I and many others were just wrong about him as a player. Not that he wasn't/isn't all time great, but in 09 and 10....nobody could have ever convinced me that his career would go look this and his skill set would get ****ing worse...no better.

Lebron deserves a lot of heat...but that doesn't mean somehow Kobe is now better. Or that Shaq didn't have his many issues. Or that Duncan didn't benefit greatly from the kind of franchise he had behind him...or that Durant/WB gave away their best chance to win the title at home. On and on and on.

What it does mean....is that any comparison of Lebron to the top tier all time greats is over for now. Only on absurd longevity and something special happening (which is always a possibility) does that conversation happen again.

But..for the time being...if you can't ****ing shoot...you have a serious flaw in your game that kills your team. It killed his team in the 07 finals. Killed them in the 11 finals. Almost killed them in the 13 finals. And has killed them in the 15 and 16 finals. Ignoring that because some idiot mods here and Jerry West think he's above criticism is the epitome of ignorance and lazy analysis.

[ImKobe]

I miss the old days when Skip and Stephen A. would just go in on Lebron

"The CHOSEN ONE turned into THE FROZEN ONE"

"Like a good neighbor State Farm is there...with a clutch gene!"

[STATUTORY]

needs some oven mittens for hot TAKES like that!

[HOoopCityJones]

:biggums: wat in the hell are you guys talking about, Hakeem had 2 years where he was king. Shaq was king from 00-02 duncan 03-05 and kobe 06-08. That's only 3 years for each of them.

Ya ni99as move the gold post wayy too much , if Duncan , Shaq and Lebron were king when they won their rings as the goto then so was Kobe.

It's so funny how much people try to dismiss 09-10 like they were just some transitional down years. Dude played some of his best Basketball during that time.

[game3524]

plenty of people would put Manning in that Montana/Brady class. Individual play just doesn't matter as much in football even at qb. Again, Shaq technically only won 3 rings as the man that decade. Same for Duncan and Kobe has 2-3 rings as the man depending which stans you ask. Is 2 really that much worse than 3? Again very few are like MJ and can completely dominate a decade like that.

Again, with the arbitrary nonsense.

The general public doesn't care about "The man" nonsense. In twenty years, the only thing people are going to look at with Shaq, Duncan, and Kobe are the total championships rings.

[game3524]

Ya ni99as move the gold post wayy too much , if Duncan , Shaq and Lebron were king when they won their rings as the goto then so was Kobe.

It's so funny how much people try to dismiss 09-10 like they were just some transitional down years. Dude played some of his best Basketball during that time.

It is also irrelevant.

All anyone is going to remember about Kobe is he won 5 titles between 2000-2010, and played in 7 finals within a 10 year span.

[MEB2kDeez]

Ya ni99as move the gold post wayy too much , if Duncan , Shaq and Lebron were king when they won their rings as the goto then so was Kobe.

It's so funny how much people try to dismiss 09-10 like they were just some transitional down years. Dude played some of his best Basketball during that time.
Preach

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Kobe did not have an elongated time as king of an era.

The dude had, at most, a 3 year stretch where this is true...and even then that is likely high because his team was irrelevant for two of those years and in the other year his team got destroyed in the finals as a favorite and he was hardly dominant on the big stage.

Lebron having flaws in his game and his jump shot shrinking, yet again, on the big stage...while true, does not somehow make Kobe (or any player) a different player.

Kobe's flaws were just different. Kobe almost never shrunk from a moment...and if he did...it wasn't out of fear...it was to prove a childish point or something like that. But Kobe had his flaws as well. He was too selfish, he took too many bad shots, he played lazy defense way too often, he wasn't very efficient (nor were his teams) in crunch time...etc.

So yes...It's good that people are actually calling out Lebron for his inept play. Just like he was inept last year in the finals overall...I find it funny that the same people praising Lebron last year for his "numbers" are now saying "numbers" don't matter. A year late to the party mates....Lebron's lack of ability to take and make jump shots is the death of this team. Full stop. All the rest is just fringe noise that doesn't move the needle much.

And that is why 2/7 actually has meaning...not in and of itself, but because there are basketball reasons why Lebron led teams have failed to win. I, never in a million years, would have thought if you have Lebron these kind of teams...in the ****ing East mind you...from 11 to present that he'd only win 2 titles.

So first point is that I and many others were just wrong about him as a player. Not that he wasn't/isn't all time great, but in 09 and 10....nobody could have ever convinced me that his career would go look this and his skill set would get ****ing worse...no better.

Lebron deserves a lot of heat...but that doesn't mean somehow Kobe is now better. Or that Shaq didn't have his many issues. Or that Duncan didn't benefit greatly from the kind of franchise he had behind him...or that Durant/WB gave away their best chance to win the title at home. On and on and on.

What it does mean....is that any comparison of Lebron to the top tier all time greats is over for now. Only on absurd longevity and something special happening (which is always a possibility) does that conversation happen again.

But..for the time being...if you can't ****ing shoot...you have a serious flaw in your game that kills your team. It killed his team in the 07 finals. Killed them in the 11 finals. Almost killed them in the 13 finals. And has killed them in the 15 and 16 finals. Ignoring that because some idiot mods here and Jerry West think he's above criticism is the epitome of ignorance and lazy analysis.

Maybe not Kobe. You're right. Still, the man didn't have his opposition flat out disrespect him like LeBron has...time and time again.

Nobody is afraid of LeBron. They're not impressed with his "skills".

And there's something to be said about that.

[LeFraud James]

Kobe did not have an elongated time as king of an era.

The dude had, at most, a 3 year stretch where this is true...and even then that is likely high because his team was irrelevant for two of those years and in the other year his team got destroyed in the finals as a favorite and he was hardly dominant on the big stage.

Lebron having flaws in his game and his jump shot shrinking, yet again, on the big stage...while true, does not somehow make Kobe (or any player) a different player.

Kobe's flaws were just different. Kobe almost never shrunk from a moment...and if he did...it wasn't out of fear...it was to prove a childish point or something like that. But Kobe had his flaws as well. He was too selfish, he took too many bad shots, he played lazy defense way too often, he wasn't very efficient (nor were his teams) in crunch time...etc.

So yes...It's good that people are actually calling out Lebron for his inept play. Just like he was inept last year in the finals overall...I find it funny that the same people praising Lebron last year for his "numbers" are now saying "numbers" don't matter. A year late to the party mates....Lebron's lack of ability to take and make jump shots is the death of this team. Full stop. All the rest is just fringe noise that doesn't move the needle much.

And that is why 2/7 actually has meaning...not in and of itself, but because there are basketball reasons why Lebron led teams have failed to win. I, never in a million years, would have thought if you have Lebron these kind of teams...in the ****ing East mind you...from 11 to present that he'd only win 2 titles.

So first point is that I and many others were just wrong about him as a player. Not that he wasn't/isn't all time great, but in 09 and 10....nobody could have ever convinced me that his career would go look this and his skill set would get ****ing worse...no better.

Lebron deserves a lot of heat...but that doesn't mean somehow Kobe is now better. Or that Shaq didn't have his many issues. Or that Duncan didn't benefit greatly from the kind of franchise he had behind him...or that Durant/WB gave away their best chance to win the title at home. On and on and on.

What it does mean....is that any comparison of Lebron to the top tier all time greats is over for now. Only on absurd longevity and something special happening (which is always a possibility) does that conversation happen again.

But..for the time being...if you can't ****ing shoot...you have a serious flaw in your game that kills your team. It killed his team in the 07 finals. Killed them in the 11 finals. Almost killed them in the 13 finals. And has killed them in the 15 and 16 finals. Ignoring that because some idiot mods here and Jerry West think he's above criticism is the epitome of ignorance and lazy analysis.

Tl;dr: What it does mean....is that any comparison of Lebron to the top tier all time greats is over for now.

[NBAGOAT]

Ya ni99as move the gold post wayy too much , if Duncan , Shaq and Lebron were king when they won their rings as the goto then so was Kobe.

It's so funny how much people try to dismiss 09-10 like they were just some transitional down years. Dude played some of his best Basketball during that time.

not denying that. It's just imo Bron clearly was better those years, Kobe was easily a top 3 guy in the league. Shaq was king because he was also the best player in the league or at least really close to Duncan in 02 enough to be a tossup. I don't think it's moving the goalpost to say Shaq wasn't the main in 06 or Kobe was in 00. If Lebron somehow pulls a miracle out of his ass and wins a ring this year or had won last year, I wouldn't consider him the king of the league either. Maybe you would so that's where our opinions are different.

[game3524]

Maybe not Kobe. You're right. Still, the man didn't have his opposition flat out disrespect him like LeBron has...time and time again.

Nobody is afraid of LeBron. They're not impressed with his "skills".

And there's something to be said about that.

That is because Kobe's flaws stem from his personality(arrogance and just generally being an asshole) more so then his actually skills as a basketball player.

As a player, Kobe is flawless and everyone knows this, even guys who despise Kobe have a ton of respect for him as a player.

[STATUTORY]

Maybe not Kobe. You're right. Still, the man didn't have his opposition flat out disrespect him like LeBron has...time and time again.

Nobody is afraid of LeBron. They're not impressed with his "skills".

And there's something to be said about that.
Anyone who has played the game recognize there's something not genuine about Lebron's game. There's just no other great players with so many obvious FLAWS to his game. That's why it's hard to respect it.

This doesn't resonate with the box score watchers tho

[IllegalD]

Kobe did not have an elongated time as king of an era.

The dude had, at most, a 3 year stretch where this is true...and even then that is likely high because his team was irrelevant for two of those years and in the other year his team got destroyed in the finals as a favorite and he was hardly dominant on the big stage.

Lebron having flaws in his game and his jump shot shrinking, yet again, on the big stage...while true, does not somehow make Kobe (or any player) a different player.

Kobe's flaws were just different. Kobe almost never shrunk from a moment...and if he did...it wasn't out of fear...it was to prove a childish point or something like that. But Kobe had his flaws as well. He was too selfish, he took too many bad shots, he played lazy defense way too often, he wasn't very efficient (nor were his teams) in crunch time...etc.

So yes...It's good that people are actually calling out Lebron for his inept play. Just like he was inept last year in the finals overall...I find it funny that the same people praising Lebron last year for his "numbers" are now saying "numbers" don't matter. A year late to the party mates....Lebron's lack of ability to take and make jump shots is the death of this team. Full stop. All the rest is just fringe noise that doesn't move the needle much.

And that is why 2/7 actually has meaning...not in and of itself, but because there are basketball reasons why Lebron led teams have failed to win. I, never in a million years, would have thought if you have Lebron these kind of teams...in the ****ing East mind you...from 11 to present that he'd only win 2 titles.

So first point is that I and many others were just wrong about him as a player. Not that he wasn't/isn't all time great, but in 09 and 10....nobody could have ever convinced me that his career would go look this and his skill set would get ****ing worse...no better.

Lebron deserves a lot of heat...but that doesn't mean somehow Kobe is now better. Or that Shaq didn't have his many issues. Or that Duncan didn't benefit greatly from the kind of franchise he had behind him...or that Durant/WB gave away their best chance to win the title at home. On and on and on.

What it does mean....is that any comparison of Lebron to the top tier all time greats is over for now. Only on absurd longevity and something special happening (which is always a possibility) does that conversation happen again.

But..for the time being...if you can't ****ing shoot...you have a serious flaw in your game that kills your team. It killed his team in the 07 finals. Killed them in the 11 finals. Almost killed them in the 13 finals. And has killed them in the 15 and 16 finals. Ignoring that because some idiot mods here and Jerry West think he's above criticism is the epitome of ignorance and lazy analysis.

It actually makes Dirk's lone fluke ring look even less impressive now. Back then people were saying it was like if someone had beat Jordan in his prime with a superteam. But now everyone is taking turns running the train on LeBron.

Your boy Dirk loses with every LeBron finals loss. :roll:

[Stringer Bell]

I can't stand Stephen A., but I'm glad some journalists are looking past the stats. Sometimes stats are misleading. 25, 13, and 9 looks great on paper, but watching the game you don't see LeBron having the huge impact as it seems. Same with his last game with the Cavs in 2010 before going to MIA. 27, 19, and 10 sounds like a monster game, but his impact wasn't nearly as big as it would seem by looking at the stat line. He also happened to be very turnover prone in these two games.

Sometimes players play better than the stats show (Pippen in game 1 of the 98' ECF against Indiana is the prime example), sometimes the stats make a performance look better (those 2 LeBron games).



Kobe did not have an elongated time as king of an era.

The dude had, at most, a 3 year stretch where this is true...and even then that is likely high because his team was irrelevant for two of those years and in the other year his team got destroyed in the finals as a favorite and he was hardly dominant on the big stage.

Lebron having flaws in his game and his jump shot shrinking, yet again, on the big stage...while true, does not somehow make Kobe (or any player) a different player.

Kobe's flaws were just different. Kobe almost never shrunk from a moment...and if he did...it wasn't out of fear...it was to prove a childish point or something like that. But Kobe had his flaws as well. He was too selfish, he took too many bad shots, he played lazy defense way too often, he wasn't very efficient (nor were his teams) in crunch time...etc.

So yes...It's good that people are actually calling out Lebron for his inept play. Just like he was inept last year in the finals overall...I find it funny that the same people praising Lebron last year for his "numbers" are now saying "numbers" don't matter. A year late to the party mates....Lebron's lack of ability to take and make jump shots is the death of this team. Full stop. All the rest is just fringe noise that doesn't move the needle much.

And that is why 2/7 actually has meaning...not in and of itself, but because there are basketball reasons why Lebron led teams have failed to win. I, never in a million years, would have thought if you have Lebron these kind of teams...in the ****ing East mind you...from 11 to present that he'd only win 2 titles.

So first point is that I and many others were just wrong about him as a player. Not that he wasn't/isn't all time great, but in 09 and 10....nobody could have ever convinced me that his career would go look this and his skill set would get ****ing worse...no better.

Lebron deserves a lot of heat...but that doesn't mean somehow Kobe is now better. Or that Shaq didn't have his many issues. Or that Duncan didn't benefit greatly from the kind of franchise he had behind him...or that Durant/WB gave away their best chance to win the title at home. On and on and on.

What it does mean....is that any comparison of Lebron to the top tier all time greats is over for now. Only on absurd longevity and something special happening (which is always a possibility) does that conversation happen again.

But..for the time being...if you can't ****ing shoot...you have a serious flaw in your game that kills your team. It killed his team in the 07 finals. Killed them in the 11 finals. Almost killed them in the 13 finals. And has killed them in the 15 and 16 finals. Ignoring that because some idiot mods here and Jerry West think he's above criticism is the epitome of ignorance and lazy analysis.

Good post, it's nice to read some actual posts actually objectively discussing basketball rather than everyone else trolling or just showing their man-love for certain players.

[DMAVS41]

Maybe not Kobe. You're right. Still, the man didn't have his opposition flat out disrespect him like LeBron has...time and time again.

Nobody is afraid of LeBron. They're not impressed with his "skills".

And there's something to be said about that.

Yes...like I said. If someone told me that peak/prime Lebron from 09 to present would have only 2 rings....especially after playing with the kind of teams he has...in the East.

I wouldn't have believed them.

[miggyme1]

I don't care if he was the best player in the league during the regular season, you know who was also like that Peyton Manning and no one puts him in the Montana/Brady class.

Lebron has been hyped up as one of the 5-10 greatest players of all-time, but how can you be a top 10 guy if you didn't even dominate your decade? I mean he has no excuse, by the time 2010 can around, Shaq was done and Duncan and Kobe were starting to slide, he has had this entire decade to himself and if he only finish with two rings.....I am sorry people are going to start questioning where he really stands among the greats.


why do idiots always resort to lies??? Its plenty of people that still consider peyton manning the best qb of his era. Rings have little to do with greatness....sorry most of you sheep feel that rings means everything.

A scrub can win 10 rings and sheep consider them the greatest of all time. Brady has played on teams that make some of peytons teams (not all)look like a ACC college team not named FSU. When its all said and done some of brady's teams will be remembered as all time GREAT Teams....The team peyton was on last season might be the best team he was ever on. Let that sink in.

[DMAVS41]

It actually makes Dirk's lone fluke ring look even less impressive now. Back then people were saying it was like if someone had beat Jordan in his prime with a superteam. But now everyone is taking turns running the train on LeBron.

Your boy Dirk loses with every LeBron finals loss. :roll:

This has nothing to do with Dirk...like at all. But whatever makes you feel better...sure.

[Dray n Klay]

Yes...like I said. If someone told me that peak/prime Lebron from 09 to present would have only 2 rings....especially after playing with the kind of teams he has...in the East.

I wouldn't have believed them.


He only had HCA twice and was severely overmatched in 3 out of the 6 Finals






Your logic does not make sense because if you replace LeBron for any player in NBA History from 09-16, they wouldn't win more than 2 rings :confusedshrug:



And why does the strength of the East matter?




Your posts reek of a lack of basic basketball understanding

[Stringer Bell]

why do idiots always resort to lies??? Its plenty of people that still consider peyton manning the best qb of his era. Rings have little to do with greatness....sorry most of you sheep feel that rings means everything.

A scrub can win 10 rings and sheep consider them the greatest of all time. Brady has played on teams that make some of peytons teams (not all)look like a ACC college team not named FSU. When its all said and done some of brady's teams will be remembered as all time GREAT Teams....The team peyton was on last season might be the best team he was ever on. Let that sink in.

Yep....A lot of people put Peyton in the Montana/Brady class. Some don't due to rings but a lot of others rank him up there, or higher. In 2010, NFL Network had Montana #4 all-time, Manning #8, and Brady #21. Brady will probably have gotten higher since then, but possibly Manning also, especially given that season he had after his neck injury.

Even quarterbacks can't have the type of impact on the game as one player in basketball can. There are 22 starting positions in football, not including special teams. There are 5 in basketball.

[Hey Yo]

No one gives a shit about MVPs.:oldlol:

Nash and Malone have two, while Shaq and Kobe have one....no one cares. It is about championships, and if Lebron's legacy is going to take a hit if Curry ends up with two and god forbid he three-peats.

Can't be the best of your era, when someone else is dominating the ring count.
Tell that to 70's Kareem.

No other player would be taken over him in the 70's... despite only winning 1 title.

[NASH = BEST]

SAS and Skip basically calling it like it truly is. It amazes me that only hardcore Lebron supporters fail to see this reality. ESPN should be ashamed of themselves at trying to blame Kyrie for the Cavs game 4 loss, he was the only Cavelier out there being aggressive and trying to win the game.

Wilbon :facepalm

Can't believe he actually blame Kyrie smh. :facepalm

[PP34Deuce]

Some of you have a very unhealthy attachment to particular players and hate.

There's a mount rushmore of basketball that won't be unseated anytime soon.

Kobe, Curry, Lebron, are not even on that Mount Rushmore so it's a moot point. With Kobe and Lebron, you have stans arguing when in reality they both are no debate top 12 and interchangable with Duncan.

Based of Talent, Lebron is top 3 All time in the history. I'd say All time, Lebron is 8-10 depending on how you view him. I have him at 8-9.

The media is crucifying him because in reality, they want him to explode. He's still an amazing talent--Just mindset is questionable at times. Stephen A is basically daring him to dominate.

I believe he will attack but will the other CAVS follow? Are they mentally tough to steal a win in Golden State and try to take care of home court?

[DMAVS41]

He only had HCA twice and was severely overmatched in 3 out of the 6 Finals






Your logic does not make sense because if you replace LeBron for any player in NBA History from 09-16, they wouldn't win more than 2 rings :confusedshrug:



And why does the strength of the East matter?




Your posts reek of a lack of basic basketball understanding

1. I literally laughed when no other player could win more than 2 rings.

2. The East matters because making the finals is so much easier. If you basically have a free path to the finals...it's a lot easier to win than having to beat better teams. Like...this really needs to be explained?

3. Flaws in his game caused some of those issues. I'm sorry, but the excuses for not being able to hit a ****ing jumper have to stop. Go back and watch all of the finals...the dude is given like 8 ft of space. I watched some of the 13 finals recently and the they don't even ****ing guard him. If Lebron could shoot...it changes so much.

4. Lack of basketball understanding? I've been harping on what shooting does for years on here....way before anyone was mentioning gravity or this new era of analytics and the 3 point shot took over. It's always been this way...people are just noticing now how important it is to have a high usage offensive player that is either a beast in the post...or can make and take range shots. Lebron can't, never has been able to consistently, and it's a big reason why he's only won 2 titles...which leads to...

5. Of course Lebron is an all time great player regardless. Of course his inept shooting and weak mental game aren't the only reasons his teams have lost. He's had some bad luck and some poorly built teams...etc. However, most players simply do not play on the kind of teams, in a shit conference with a cakewalk to the finals year in year out in the heart of their primes like Lebron has. So...sorry...you want to be compared to MJ and the best of the best....win more than 2 ****ing rings in 7 trips to the finals. Like I said...something special could happen, but until it does...he's stuck where he belongs in the all time rankings.

[Hey Yo]

Hakeem is seen as a transitional champion, a dude who held the title while Jordan is away.
He's also seen as a HOF'er who lost 8x in the first round of the playoffs.


And lol at this arbitrary three years cut offs. Between 2000-2009, Kobe has won 5 titles, Shaq won 4 and Duncan won 3. That is all anyone is going to remember when they look back at 2000s era.
They're going to remember Shaq dominating in the postseason (especially the Finals) while winning 3 straight titles and FMVP's. Why he's called Most Dominate Ever

Kobe will be remembered for an 81 point game and the few titles he finally won as the man/captain of the Lakers. Plus he'll obviously be remembered for rape.

[game3524]

why do idiots always resort to lies??? Its plenty of people that still consider peyton manning the best qb of his era. Rings have little to do with greatness....sorry most of you sheep feel that rings means everything.

A scrub can win 10 rings and sheep consider them the greatest of all time. Brady has played on teams that make some of peytons teams (not all)look like a ACC college team not named FSU. When its all said and done some of brady's teams will be remembered as all time GREAT Teams....The team peyton was on last season might be the best team he was ever on. Let that sink in.

The problem is Manning and Brady are statistically pretty similar in the regular season, the big difference is Brady doesn't have the meltdowns or the one and dones record Peyton has with HFA.

[Stringer Bell]

SAS and Skip basically calling it like it truly is. It amazes me that only hardcore Lebron supporters fail to see this reality. ESPN should be ashamed of themselves at trying to blame Kyrie for the Cavs game 4 loss, he was the only Cavelier out there being aggressive and trying to win the game.

Wilbon :facepalm

Can't believe he actually blame Kyrie smh. :facepalm

Blaming Kyrie for that loss is just ridiculous.

So shameless.

[NBAGOAT]

The problem is Manning and Brady are statistically pretty similar in the regular season, the big difference is Brady doesn't have the meltdowns or the one and dones record Peyton has with HFA.

Manning's better. If you look at just raw totals it's close but if you do some era adjustment stuff and look year by year Manning has a decent edge. Brady has plenty of bad performances in the playoffs too, his team just happened to win most of them because of Belichick, defense, and even special teams. Manning's played actually pretty well in a lot of his one and dones, not all his fault at all.

[game3524]

He's also seen as a HOF'er who lost 8x in the first round of the playoffs.


They're going to remember Shaq dominating in the postseason (especially the Finals) while winning 3 straight titles and FMVP's. Why he's called Most Dominate Ever

Kobe will be remembered for an 81 point game and the few titles he finally won as the man/captain of the Lakers. Plus he'll obviously be remembered for rape.

That is what Lebron stans are hoping for, but it is always going to be 5-time champion Kobe Bryant, 5-time champion Tim Duncan, 4-time champion Shaquille O'Neal.

It is hilarious how Bron stans love to bring up "the man/captain" shit, real basketball people really don't care about that.

[SexSymbol]

You know what? Ive had just about enough of you.

GET THE **** OFF INSIDEHOOPS. NOW.
He was the best in 2012 and 2013.
There's zero argument for any other year.

[game3524]

Manning's better. If you look at just raw totals it's close but if you do some era adjustment stuff and look year by year Manning has a decent edge. Brady has plenty of bad performances in the playoffs too, his team just happened to win most of them because of Belichick, defense, and even special teams. Manning's played actually pretty well in a lot of his one and dones, not all his fault at all.

Their QB rating and ANY/A are pretty much identical. Even their post-season numbers are similar, the big difference is Peyton's one and dones with HFA, he has had some pretty mediocre performances(ex. Pittsburgh in 2005, San Diego in 2007, Baltimore in 2012, Indy in 2014)

[MEB2kDeez]

That is what Lebron stans are hoping for, but it is always going to be 5-time champion Kobe Bryant, 5-time champion Tim Duncan, 4-time champion Shaquille O'Neal.

It is hilarious how Bron stans love to bring up "the man/captain" shit, real basketball people really don't care about that.


Yup, most just look at the rings at the end of the day. Regardless of who was "the man". Some people act if being the man after the man is equivalent to bench riding and winning championships

[PP34Deuce]

Their QB rating and ANY/A are pretty much identical. Even their post-season numbers are similar, the big difference is Peyton's one and dones with HFA, he has had some pretty mediocre performances(ex. Pittsburgh in 2005, San Diego in 2007, Baltimore in 2012, Indy in 2014)

I think their difference is Manning loves to control every facet of the game where Brady does his job and is laid back about other duties.

Lebron has a similar problem. The failure is on both Peyton and Lebron because they want ultimate responsibility even the franchise player doesn't ask for or get.

This CAVS team essentially was built from his insight. He picked a stretch 4 that can shoot and a confident ISO guy--Both represent his weaknesses at this point. The issue is, he get's happy feet like manning and begins to not trust guys.

I consider Tim Duncan to be the Tom Brady of NBA. Great player, consistent, always has had strong support system and coaching to maximize his HOF talent.

Lebron is Peyton. High end IQ of the game. Over thinkers. Reliant on Brand and image. Been in the spotlight since they were 17. Fear how they look to others.

[G0ATbe]

ESPN completely giving up on him:lol . His last stans throwing him in the trash like they should have years ago:rockon: . Truly dark days for LeShit stains:applause:

[NBAGOAT]

Their QB rating and ANY/A are pretty much identical. Even their post-season numbers are similar, the big difference is Peyton's one and dones with HFA, he has had some pretty mediocre performances(ex. Pittsburgh in 2005, San Diego in 2007, Baltimore in 2012, Indy in 2014)

Yep mediocre, not bad. I would reference you to this statistical list from 2 years ago http://www.footballperspective.com/the-greatest-qb-of-all-time-v-part-iii-adjusted-dropbacks/. Manning has a pretty decent edge on Brady and most likely still does. It's kind of any/a relative to league average thing. He then multiples that value by dropbacks that year and it's pretty decent at determining the best seasons for qb's. Then he does a career value thing (100% for best year, 95% 2nd best etc to try to balance peak play/longevity).

[Hey Yo]

That is what Lebron stans are hoping for, but it is always going to be 5-time champion Kobe Bryant, 5-time champion Tim Duncan, 4-time champion Shaquille O'Neal.

It is hilarious how Bron stans love to bring up "the man/captain" shit, real basketball people really don't care about that.
Real basketball people remember who was the man of championship teams and who wasn't. They remember who was dominating in the Finals and who the sidekicks were. There's a reason why it's worded Shaq and Kobe....not, Kobe and Shaq.

Think people look at MJ and Scottie as an =?
Can't say Celtics w/o thinking of Russell and Bird first....not Sam Jones and Danny Ainge.

[GrapeApe]

Lebron's 4th quarter in game 4 was eerily reminiscent of the 2011 finals. I think he has a hard time managing the conflict between his overall basketball instincts and his in-game situational instincts. When the situation calls for him to deviate from his normal style, he struggles.

I've said this before about Lebron, but he's very robotic. He's a generational talent, but he has a hard time when the game calls for him to leave his comfort zone and play a different style. That's not to be confused with versatility. He's obviously a versatile player, but sometimes the game requires you to be a different player. Lebron struggles to do that.

[kamil]

It's 2011 all over again.

http://i64.tinypic.com/de4ks5.jpg

[miggyme1]

The problem is Manning and Brady are statistically pretty similar in the regular season, the big difference is Brady doesn't have the meltdowns or the one and dones record Peyton has with HFA.


HFA means literally next to nothing in the nfl. Go back and see how many teams have home field games in the playoffs just to lose....didn't every home team lose in the first round this year??lol

Don't get me wrong there are certain places where its tough to get a win....Foxboro,seattle,heinz but that's about when it comes to tough stadiums to play in.

[bizil]

Lebron's 4th quarter in game 4 was eerily reminiscent of the 2011 finals. I think he has a hard time managing the conflict between his overall basketball instincts and his in-game situational instincts. When the situation calls for him to deviate from his normal style, he struggles.

I've said this before about Lebron, but he's very robotic. He's a generational talent, but he has a hard time when the game calls for him to leave his comfort zone and play a different style. That's not to be confused with versatility. He's obviously a versatile player, but sometimes the game requires you to be a different player. Lebron struggles to do that.

Well said! In my opinion, Bron's Achilles heel is knowing when to become a score first player. Obviously, he's a great scorer in general. But he does it TYPICALLY from a pass first mentality. BUT as u stated, you have to be able to switch it up when it's time to. We know Bron is capable of this, but he's inconsistent at doing it. A guy with a similar thought process like the Big O was a master at switching it up.

The guys like MJ, Bird, and Kobe were EPIC ALL AROUND PLAYERS AND the ultimate assassins in one. Bron has NEVER balanced those two facets as well. The most premium asset to have is alpha dog scoring ability. Bron doesn't tap into that ability TO THE MAX like other icons.

[jayfan]

Some of you have a very unhealthy attachment to particular players and hate.

There's a mount rushmore of basketball that won't be unseated anytime soon.

Kobe, Curry, Lebron, are not even on that Mount Rushmore so it's a moot point. With Kobe and Lebron, you have stans arguing when in reality they both are no debate top 12 and interchangable with Duncan.

Based of Talent, Lebron is top 3 All time in the history. I'd say All time, Lebron is 8-10 depending on how you view him. I have him at 8-9.

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No and No.

[Asukal]

At some point these leStans will come to realize it is hard to root for their queen. Good job SAS, you're still an idiot tho. :banana:

[stephanieg]

In twenty years, the only thing people are going to look at with Shaq, Duncan, and Kobe are the total championships rings.

People are dumb, but not shallow enough to ignore all context. Look at all the Russell/Wilt debates. Most of those people never even saw them play beyond a couple old games on youtube at the tail end of their careers.

[Cold soul]

He's right he didn't do shit and was way too passive. Lebron is in ghost mode.